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 Why can't christains just accept athiests for what they believe in? (25)

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Why can't christains just accept athiests for what they believe in?

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Why can't atheists just accept Christians for what they believe in?

For every 1 Christian I've seen harassing or mocking atheists, I've seen 5 atheists harassing and mocking Christians.

Let them be.

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Hear hear, aside from the Joho's knocking on people's doors. I've never seen a Christian harass anybody.

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I'm not really sure. I'm a believer, grew up a christian and went on to mold and shape my beliefs that are not all christian beliefs, at all. I've strayed from simply the "christian belief" for personal reasons; I believe in some things and I don't believe in some things, as far as christian philosophy is concerned.

And I accept most atheists, not all. I don't accept when certain atheists pessimistically attack my beliefs with the simple "because religion is crazy and without physical proof you're wrong". In fact, I have more friends that are not religious at all, and perhaps are more spiritual (as I'd like to call myself) or atheist/agnostic, and we've had very intriguing conversations about god, and neither one of us pessimistically attack each other, we may challenge each other in a respectable manner and all is well.

In short I will respect other atheist if they respect what I believe in. If they don't, then it's not a big deal, there are plenty of atheists and religious people to go around.

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Believe in? You still don't get it? It is about NOT believing. Atheism means the lack of belief in a god or gods. Disbelief is not belief.

Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
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Dude, c'mon. I understand your stand point. "Atheism is the disbelief in god, or gods", this is fact. Atheism is also the belief in no god. Logically speaking and scientifically speaking, atheists do believe in science, they believe that there is no god, or gods, and this is 100 percent completely undeniable. Prove to me otherwise that atheists have "no beliefs". The word belief goes a long ways.

nummi(1432) Disputed
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I don't think you understand.

Atheism is also the belief in no god.

If you use "belief" or "believe" in connection with atheists then you should clarify what definitions of them you mean. Not all definition apply.

Theists make the claim there is a god. Atheists simply say they are wrong, that there is no god. No belief, simply denying the fallacy set up by religion.

Atheism is basically the default mind-set of every human. Assuming they haven't been subjected to brainwashing or anything similar. Gods take belief, no belief in gods means no belief. Disbelief is not belief, as I have already said.

Logically speaking and scientifically speaking, atheists do believe in science, they believe that there is no god, or gods, and this is 100 percent completely undeniable.

What you said is 100 percent completely deniable. Or would you care to clarify the definition of those certain words you used and meant?

Logically speaking and scientifically speaking, most atheists know about science, they have the knowledge of what it says - no belief, no believing in it. If they don't know, they assume, they guess, they say it might be this way or that but there is no way to currently find out. No belief, no believing in. That there is no god is logical, it is rational, it is objective, it is knowledge. This is 100 percent completely undeniable.

Prove to me otherwise that atheists have "no beliefs". The word belief goes a long ways.

That good enough? Oh, and do clarify the definitions you mean when using the words "belief" and "believe" in relation with atheists. Not everyone takes nonsense as reality.

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I do not really care how Christians treat atheists. As long as we are allowed to live and marry and enjoy life, it matters little.

However, Christianity is extremely harmful to many other people. There are missionaries converting starving Africans with the promise of food- and also advising them to not use condoms, which in such an AIDS devastated country is extremely horrifying. Then there is the gay marriage issue. Why should some people be allowed to marry and others not? I would understand if the Westboro Baptist church didn't want to marry gays, but what about a pagan or buddist church, another church willing to marry gays? I don't think churches should be forced to marry people they don't want to, but people should be able to marry who they want. As long as this is a legal issue, I will have issues with religion.

There is also the creationism issue. I don't care what people believe in, but when they teach it to their children as fact, isn't that a large problem? Teaching that science is filled with lies and evil, then telling them the universe is 6000 years old? It's very harmful to all of society.

That is at least why I don't approve of religion, and a large part of why Christians don't like atheists. Atheists simply support things that Christians think is evil or wrong. But only some Christians, right? Others don't mind at all.

It's confusing and causes division and war and pain.

The way Christians view people based on their own morality causes them to hate those people. They cannot call it hate or judgement though, generally. They use other words and other symbolism, such as being tortured forever.

Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
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You speak of the "indifference of christianity" and not that all christians believe this way. So what do you say to people like myself? I am a believer in god as well as I am a believer in science. I believe both are similar in their philosophies yet are very different in their methods. They both want the same thing, they both strive for the "truth". Who's to say which truth is 100 percent accurate? Either way, people believe in something, whether it's believing in nothing, or believing that a god exists.

AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
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Science uses observations of reality to come to factual conclusions based on evidence and support. Philosophy is just thoughts. How our brains interpret or think things happen that may be right or wrong and usually have no support when it comes to spirituality and such. So yes, philosophy can be correct at times and bring up interesting ideas. But science tells us what really happens in the reality we exist in.

Why can't thesists just accept all atheists? I understand that we might not agree with their beliefs, but why criticize l them for being who they want to be or believing what they want to believe in? Yea, I'm christain, but can't we all just accept each other. Maybe I'm saying this because i have an understanding of both sides. I know I'll get buttloads of criticism and the arguing will never stop but at least do something.

Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
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It's like saying "can't we all get along", yeah I wish all mankind would stop the wars, stop the killing stop the pain, yet we all know mankind are vicious animals with creative thoughts. I want peace, I want us "all to get along" and I believe it's possible to minimize the "evil thoughts and actions of mankind".

I accept what atheists believe in (and yes atheists believe in something, whether it be in the idea of no god, or science, or whatever, there is still belief there), I accept what all atheists believe in. What I don't accept is how all atheists go about pressing their believes and attacking those who do believe. Just as much as I disagree with extreme christians who press their beliefs and attack those who do not believe.

I understand why you think there's belief to atheism. It seems that way but it's not. We are disbelieving and rejecting claims of a god/deity/entity. That is all. You may spin it around to say we believe in not believing, but a disbelief is more accurate. Also, we don't believe in science. We accept science as truth. It doesn't really come down to belief, that's not really accurate.

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This is a poorly phrased question, in my view. "Christians" is misspelled, and the use of the phrase "what they believe in" presumes that atheism is something to believe in rather than the absence of belief in God or gods.

But if the question is, "Why can't Christians accept atheists?" then the answer for many would be that atheism is in direct conflict with a Christian's faith, and some Christians are taught to see atheists as enemies of their religion.

I know Christians, and I know atheists, and each group has its good and bad parts. So, this is more a question about why people chose to ostracize others based solely upon ideology or religion or politics or skin color or sexual orientation.

The cure for human conflict is total acceptance of our neighbors, but this is a historically difficult mountain to climb. It seems to be part of our DNA to find the people who aren't "like us" and to shun them. Unfortunately, this is more common than the acceptance.

I wish humans would embrace acceptance and shun this division.

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Don't we all, don't we all. I feel all humans feel this way deep down amongst all the indifference.

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I didn't know they couldn't? I guess on the internet they can't but I live in the real world... I'm surrounded by believers every day... I'm atheist and no one cares... even my believer friends.

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Good point, however in the real world, many christians do not accept atheists and believe they're right and everyone else is wrong.

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Yeah... well those are the people that I don't really give two shits about... so...

I'm not your everyday atheist... I get along just fine with theists... I don't really care that much about all of it? They can believe what they want and I'll think what I want... and at the end of the day I just hope I'm drunk? ;)

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I do and I know that I can't do anything about it because it was their choice and I would have no right to change that. It's upn to them.