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Ulterior motives It's more free than Islam
Debate Score:23
Arguments:18
Total Votes:27
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Why do Muslims always want to move to Christian countries?

Ulterior motives

Side Score: 9
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It's more free than Islam

Side Score: 14
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Why do Muslims always want to move to Christian countries?

Hello bront:

The reason ANYONE wants to come to this great country of ours, is because they can FREELY practice their religion..

At least, it used to work that way...

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The reason ANYONE wants to come to this great country of ours

Cool. So if Linda Sarsour praises Saudi Arabia and the Sharia, and trashes the U.S., why do you think she would live here and not there?

because they can FREELY practice their religion..

I don't think she's one of our innocent Muslim neighbors, do you Con?

Side: It's more free than Islam
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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Muslims do not want religious freedom. They want a Theocracy whereby they force all to bow to Islam or be killed.

This is what their religion teaches. Stop spewing the lies from the Left.

Side: It's more free than Islam
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Simple. Forced conversion or subjugation under Islam is an imperative directed at all practicing Muslims.

Quran (2:191-193) "'And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)' (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to 'fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you' leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word 'persecution' by some Muslim translators is disingenuous - the actual Arabic words for persecution (idtihad) - and oppression are not used instead of fitna. Fitna can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. A strict translation is 'sedition,' meaning rebellion against authority (the authority being Allah). This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned 'until religion is for Allah' - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. [Editor's note: these notes have been modified slightly after a critic misinterpreted our language. Verse 193 plainly says that 'fighting' is sanctioned even if the fitna 'ceases'. This is about religious order, not real persecution.]"

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

Side: Ulterior motives

Towel heads should be shot like a vermin. They are the one thing worse and more sneaky than a usurious Jew

Side: Ulterior motives
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They want Sharia Law.......................................................................................................................................................................................

Side: Ulterior motives
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INFILTRATE / PROCREATE / DOMINATE ........... https://youtu.be/InGCmxCjaWE

Side: It's more free than Islam
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Most predominately Christian nations are governed by weak, politically correct appeasers who wallow smugly in their sanctimonious magnanimity whilst abandoning their greatest responsibility of protecting their citizens.

Muslims have identified the lily livered nature of western politicians and realized that this moral cowardice combined with the passive, turn the other cheek creed of the Christian faith is the perfect combination of factors for them to exploit and Islamise these nations of feeble, tired old liberals.

We're an easy touch.

Side: It's more free than Islam
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So that they can wail and moan about our values and customs being immoral and deeply offensive to them and accuse everyone that’s not Muslim of being an Islamaphobe .

Side: It's more free than Islam