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 Why do atheists criticize theists believing in God when they believe in ghost, aliens etc (113)

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Why do atheists criticize theists believing in God when they believe in ghost, aliens etc

Why are there so many atheists going around criticizing theists for believing in something there is “no evidence" for when so many of them believe in things like ghosts and aliens.  There isn't an ounce of evidence for ghosts or aliens. Sure, the universe is huge but that gives no support for there actually being aliens out there. And sure, many people claimed to have seen ghosts but many people have also claimed to see God.
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3 points

I think it's rather unfair (and yes I know we live in an unfair world) that Atheists are mocked or criticized simply for not believing in what someone else does, and yes I know Theists are often mocked for believing in God but that doesn't make it ok to do the same. No one likes being painted with a broad brush. Believe in what you want, don't believe in what you want, just be a good person.

My sister is an atheist and she does believe in ghosts. She's had a few experiences that have (excuse the term) "freaked her right the hell out" but that doesn't mean she automatically has to believe in God. It's not an -if you believe in one then you must believe in the other- type of deal. She's also certainly never criticized me for my belief or anyone else who hasn't openly attacked her for hers. Honestly to think in this entire vast universe that we only know the smallest of small percentages about, that we are alone AND the most intelligent, is ego at it's best.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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God mocks atheists and atheists whine about it.....silly .

Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

Calling yourself God is not going to look good when you have to answer to Jesus.

Mint_tea(4647) Disputed
1 point

God wouldn't be so petty as to mock those that don't believe in Him. He would mourn perhaps, maybe try to guide but mocking is a human trait.

Gypsee(347) Clarified
1 point

I am not sure how that makes sense. If Atheists do not believe in the existence of God, how could they hear God's mockery?

AlofRI(3275) Clarified
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And I have a daughter, a strong Baptist, that says her house is haunted. She says her husband and family have ALL seen "apparitions" there. Even theists have to believe what they see as a group.

Mint_tea(4647) Clarified
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That's interesting. When my father passed away we could still "feel" him from time to time. Even when he wasn't in my mind and we'd refinished the basement for some reason one night there was a strong scent of him that I hadn't remembered in a long time. There was no reason why it should have been there,, he'd had a man cave down there with all his computers and radio's and such and the basement was only finished after he'd passed away for about two years. My sister was sleeping in the basement once and saw a face looking at her then it disappeared.

I've always been curious about ghost stories, do you have any to share?

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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They are in danger. You care about your daughter, and annoying as you are to me most of the time I care about you and if your daughter is a true believer in Christ she is a sister of mine. There are legal footholds evil spirits can obtain through things like Ouija boards, kids dabbling in witchcraft like that Harry Potter garbage, parents who toyed with Ouija boards or magic spell games when they were children....evil spirits get legal footholds in people's lives when doors are willfully opened to them and they may be assigned by outsiders who practice witchcraft and are given access by family or friendship privileges. It could be that there is a local group of witches or satanists attacking your daughter and her family, and it could be things in the past of your daughter, her husband, or the children.

Many people at my church have had to deal with these same kind of things in their house. One family of 7, with four girls and one boy, was having a lot of strange activity in the house. The wife knew it was a demonic haunting, the kids knew supernatural things were happening, but the husband didn't see any of it and simply thought everything was a combination of their superstitions and coincidences. Then one morning the kids got up one by one and told of the nightmare they had that night. Every one of them had the same nightmare, none of them talked it over with each other before they told their parents about it. That's when the husband began to say, "ok, something really is going on here and we better get some help". My pastor has a lot of experience dealing with these things.

Your daughter needs to get help from a man of God before things really get out of hand. There are evil spirits trying to destroy her and her family. She should first tell her pastor, and if her pastor is not experienced in these things and does not know how to handle them, she needs to find a man of God who does know how to handle these things.

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Because theists attacked atheists first.................................................

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That is probably very accurate.

Sitar(3680) Clarified
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Thank you..................................................................................

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+Amazing. I'm an atheist. NO ONE has seen me criticize a theist for believing in their "god" (which ever one they believe in.). I DO criticize them when they tell me (I) must believe as THEY do ... or go to hell! I DO criticize them for trying to force laws onto us that FORCE U.S. to follow THIER rules. I DO NOT "believe" in ghosts OR aliens, though I do believe there is actually MORE chance that we will SEE one, or find out that they DO exist. Even that aliens have been here before. That IS just a "chance", not a "belief". It would be nice if YOU would learn just what "atheists" believe. I think you would find THEY are more open to learning about ANYTHING, rather than "believing" what they are TOLD they MUST believe.

more often it is WE that are criticized.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
2 points

Thats fair. You dont go out of your way to criticize the dillusions of low intelligent people of faith, those who are pushed to believe things they shouldnt, but do so likely driven by fear of the the myths of bronze age God. And I appreciate that you are not a part of militant atheists in free thinking movement, and the politivmcal agenda of a one world socialist regime, with a strategic forceful intent to put religion out completely, and to free the poor minds of unsuspecting children from the virus of goodness, love and joy found in faith in the Living God, and His Son Jesus. Thabk you that you do not feel the need to replace the faith of weak minded, needy, weak willed Christians, to be replaced with the education of idiots and fools by a people who are violent an unloving and cruel even to their own day and night, 24 hour access to spout lies and violence. I'm glad your not one of them.

We confront lies, we cant just sit by. It would be like watching people drive of a cliff without at least posting a danger sign! We meet deceptions and raise truth for people to see and make up their own minds. We love truth we have a passion for light. And Jesus said to let light shine to draw others to Him. So like Paul and Peter and the early church we shine in darkness, and work with the Spirit to gather those who are His.

Its a work we love, because His Spirit fills us, and there is no greater high then to be in light sharing in Him and His work. What kid doesnt get excited about going to a work day with their dads?

We work with the Father, it's like "bring your kid to work day." It's a joy and pleasure. And He puts within us pop rocks of wisdom and understanding. He flows within us illuminating mysteries like found hidden treasures, and like we drink in rushing living waters, being in light is like riding waves of lights, giving understanding and traveling through the depths of God at the speed of light, in a moments God communes and reveals Himself day and night to His own, and it's a ride like no other.

There is a rushing destructive flood of deceptions, sources that that bury truth and promote falsehood and inaccuracies. Satans pawn, slaves, objects to use and toss into fire.

We Christians have a fervent love of the truth, and we want to make sure people can find it. And we want to make sure prople are not so deceived that they dont realize the deceptions or the absence of truth. So we bring truth to sit next to deception so the choice belongs to the indiviual, not steered by the masses!

I think God has us doing that to seek His lost sheep in order to complete His sheep fold in these last times. And as a double edged sword, greater judgement will go out to those who promote deceptions.

The flood has come like a rushing destruction blinding those who love darkness and hate light. Jesus says "just like the days of Noah" ..... Two in a field, one taken one left, .... they ask where Lord? He answers, where the flesh is the vultures are gathered.

Then go to revelations there are to parties featured.

The wedding feast of the Bride and Groom, Jesus, a love feast with the God of Love Himself.

And then there is a table set and He serves up His enemies to every foul bird. And He calls out to the birds to feed.

Yet He still calls out to those on the highways and by-ways, and says come to the wedding feast of the Lamb! Come through the narrow gate, eternity of joy awaits!

2 points

Reminds me, if the story about Noah turns out to be true, that all species would go through so much combined inbreeding and still turn out well (I guess it didn't say all species deteriorated heavily), you can disprove a lot of biology with that. (And the Adam-Eve thing, or its equivalent in other religions, even though they don't go overkill by bringing people out of ribs of others).

With all that, the children are better off deciding for themselves. Dominating dogmatists have already made the human search of knowledge suffer a lot, not to mention other things done by them throughout history.

Though calling activists as 'militants' is an exaggeration as much as some religion. You seem to portray dogma-rejectors as much worse than they are, and fundamentalists as much better than they are. An ego-centric bias, probably.

But what's all this about this Satan guy?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Man. You hate the Bible and Christians even more than I do. Man. That's crazy.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

Awwww, the poor widdle atheist feels criticized .

AlofRI(3275) Clarified
1 point

No. I don't feel criticized at all. Who criticized me?? I stated a fact about how I feel, someone disagreed. That's what this site is for, not to act like a middle school wiseguy whenever you can't think of something to say.

You may block me now, child.

KeepSmiling(54) Disputed
1 point

How are aliens and ghosts more likely to exist than God. God is much more logical and has far more evidence.

ghostheadX(1104) Disputed
1 point

Scientists have found statistical evidence for an afterlife, which IMO IS an argument in favor of God. There are enough Earth like planets that it is statistically not possible or at least very unlikely for there to be no other life on any planets besides Earth with the number of solar systems with planets, etc.

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Atheists basically believe there is no God, and then most of them feel compelled to elaborate on that idea to try to justify themselves by saying twisted things like "I have no god belief" as if their words are an impregnable wall.....and indeed they are an impregnable wall as long as the atheist can keep it from crumbling.

Atheists have all kinds of crazy ideas about reality which may or may not include belief in "ghosts" or "aliens", and may or may not consider apparent evidences of such things to be self-explanatory. Why in the world most atheists feel they have to elaborate on the cry-baby simplistic declaration of rejection of God which the fool in His heart makes when he says "there is no God" is a long tragic comedy.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

You are the answer to your question, and your post proves it. Most theists are just like you: assholes.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

cry baby .

KeepSmiling(54) Disputed
1 point

Aren't you a theist? Also most theists are very nice people. I find that mostly atheists are the ones who like to hurt others.

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Because God is true and deceptions are a dime a dozen.

Because they think by denying God, somehow He will waive their accountability

Because they close their eyes, and refuse to look, they font even understand the basics of what is ACTUALLY in the Bible, and they have no idea of who God is.

This is the 1st generation that is so far removed from understanding God, and good, and right and wrong, it is steeped and soaked in selfishness and self importance, and they invent knowledge and spin lies as truth.

They are one with darkness, to them every dark thing blends in. And its natural to them. God is foreign to them because God is not of this fallen world, and His children are not of this world. Any that are His will hear His voice, and will hate darkness and follow Him out of darkness. All others will remain in the darkness they were born into, they make their home in the darkness and lies deceptions and the world evils are in their hearts. This is the first generation that joins murderers by a click or a touch screen. They can participate and their hearts are not only speaking ebil, but recording their evils in writing.

The evidence against them is mounting, as the evidence of God revealed as things hidden for milleniums are being brought forth and evidence of God and is Word are also mounting.

This generation will be judged more harshly than others. Because each one participates in the deeds of darkness with passion for darkness.

Each one is as guilty by their own pen, they murder by their agreement with dark deeds, and they murder at the rate of evil regimes from their cell phones and tablets!

Read Matt 24 and Luke 17

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Because God is true and deceptions are a dime a dozen.

Wouldn't it be easier to criticize the deceptions and avoid criticizing the truth?

Because they think by denying God, somehow He will waive their accountability

I never understood this argument. Christians think that acknowledging God waives their accountability. Why would anyone believe that denying God avoids accountability?

Because they close their eyes, and refuse to look, they font even understand the basics of what is ACTUALLY in the Bible, and they have no idea of who God is.

This might be a possibility, but why believe in ghosts and aliens?

This is the 1st generation that is so far removed from understanding God, and good, and right and wrong, it is steeped and soaked in selfishness and self importance, and they invent knowledge and spin lies as truth.

That would explain why there is less divorce and crime ... oh wait.

They are one with darkness, to them every dark thing blends in. And its natural to them.

Is that what leads to aliens and ghosts?

God is foreign to them because God is not of this fallen world, and His children are not of this world. Any that are His will hear His voice, and will hate darkness and follow Him out of darkness. All others will remain in the darkness they were born into, they make their home in the darkness and lies deceptions and the world evils are in their hearts.

You sound like Bane. Do you have a funny voice?

This is the first generation that joins murderers by a click or a touch screen.

It is a little weird for someone to attack people who use technology while using technology.

The evidence against them is mounting, as the evidence of God revealed as things hidden for milleniums are being brought forth and evidence of God and is Word are also mounting

The evidence you keep referring to is always late for the party.

Do you get pleasure out of thinking the worst about people? It is really demented. When you picture Jesus does He talk like you? Why should we read the Bible when you won't?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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I noticed my thoughtful commentary hasn't received a counter argument from you. Sad face. :(

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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So thoughtful is copy and paste add double stars and say the same kind of flippid commentaries you call arguments. Its cute how stupid you are. Quote Happy Bunny - lol

Ok here you go

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Me - Because God is true and deceptions are a dime a dozen.

You - Wouldn't it be easier to criticize the deceptions and avoid criticizing the truth? This is a poor rebuttal be ause you did not define truth as you view in reference to my original argument. Therefore it is - 1

Me - Because they think by denying God, somehow He will waive their accountability

You - I never understood this argument. Christians think that acknowledging God waives their accountability. Why would anyone believe that denying God avoids accountability?

This is actually a good point. +1 acknowledging God does not waive accountability. Satan and Cain, fallen angel and a man, both acknowledged God and Judas also, a knowledging God is basically opening a map app and typing in your destination.

If you dont leave the driveway, knowing the directions wont get you to the destination. When Jesus says I am the way, and the gate, and the door, and the road .... He also decribes the mapped out directions. So the whole Bible defines flesh from the fall ... Jesus came to go the opposite direction. He says, if anyone wants to be my disciple he must deny himself, pick up his cross, and follow the way Jesus laid out as the road back.

So the path is laid out.

Make a right at "Deny yourself" means nothing in the world binds you, God has all your heart. Its a life of light, and whatever attaches you to this world is denied you, and you choose it to not be held down by it when He leads.

Then follow Him to the cross. And realize what has taken place. Jesus says the cross is like the brass serpent Moses raised in the desert. And die daily and be filled with the promise of His Spirit given through His Resurrection.

That is living a life being born again, renewed daily, cleansed with repentence washed past present and future by the one sacraficed a lamb and enter the Holy of Holies to commune with Him, as we are called his children, we are also all saints, and priests.

Then in the end we join Him in body and spirit. So acknowledgement is only opening the door, you have to go through the one and only door.

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Because they close their eyes, and refuse to look, they dont even understand the basics of what is ACTUALLY in the Bible, and they have no idea of who God is.

This might be a possibility, but why believe in

ghosts and aliens?

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Well said, the 1st step would be if there is evidence of a signature in the Bible. And if the evidence is unusually fascinating individually, how about collectively?

If many things added up to not be possible that this many coincidences are in a collective book written throughout ages, and each piece of evidence is fascinating in itself but combined with the other possible proofs of Supernatural Authorship, the weight becomes unreasonable to dismiss as evidence that demands a verdict.

And if it is Divine Signatory, first prove it has a serious enough weight to take serios to investigate. Then after that is established figure out who is the author and His message and directive, and what is your responsibility toward the Author.

This is the 1st generation that is so far removed from understanding God, and good, and right and wrong, it is steeped and soaked in selfishness and self importance, and they invent knowledge and spin lies as truth.

That would explain why there is less divorce and crime ... oh wait.

There is also less marriages and more later life marriages. Also people are choosing spouses like you would business partners.

They are one with darkness, to them every dark thing blends in. And its natural to them.

Is that what leads to aliens and ghosts?

The Signatory would be the Holy Ghost, and He is an alien in a sense, from outside our space and time.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Your comments are so stupid they are not worth answering .

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Instead of laughing like an idiot maybe you could try addressing my argument. It is so very lonely without a response.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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God is foreign to them because God is not of this fallen world, and His children are not of this world. Any that are His will hear His voice, and will hate darkness and follow Him out of darkness.

All others will remain in the darkness they were born into, they make their home in the darkness and lies deceptions and the world evils are in their hearts.

You sound like Bane. Do you have a funny voice?

Points - 1 no point made. The statement I made is logical and written. And if the Bible prove to have Divine signature then those statements will be reality.

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This is the first generation that joins murderers by a click or a touch screen.

It is a little weird for someone to attack people who use technology while using technology.

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Me- The evidence against them is mounting, as the evidence of God revealed as things hidden for milleniums are being brought forth and evidence of God and is Word are also mounting.

You - The evidence you keep referring to is always late for the party. It will be too late. Now is not yet too late.

Do you get pleasure out of thinking the worst about people?

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People in general have become filled with darkness. Violence is overtaking them. Its just like the days of Noah.

It is really demented. When you picture Jesus does He talk like you? Why should we read the Bible when you won't?

The Spirit communicates in many ways. One way is illuminating whwere things not known become deeply known in understanding.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Your comments are so stupid they are funny and not worth answering. What I want to know is how you got the way you are? What is your problem? It's obvious you have a big problem and you know what it is and are trying to keep it in the closet. .

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Notice the only atheist here is not arguing against God, he is arguing against "gods", things which are not God. The things he implies are not God indeed are not God, they may be called "gods" but they are not God. They are his own consciously created straw men, they are not God.

Many if not most atheists avoid talking about God and cannot talk about Him except in derogatory terms which prove only one thing...they hate God who they insist is not there.......they are desperately trying to keep themselves in the dark, talking about God recognizes light and they don't want light exposing their evil deeds; they close their eyes when they sense light is there and pretend that being blind has made God disappear....then they open their eyes to false light such as evolution or belief in Annanaki or whatever. They use "gods" as a smokescreen acting like they are in the open on the battlefield against God when in reality they are just running around blind in a fog shooting off their mouths as if their explosive comments will keep them from falling.

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All you holy Joe's are missing the point.

No one is criticizing any of the various Gods.

How can criticism be leveled at nonentities?

It's the shitheads like you with your elocutionary stories about supernatural beings and great deeds of sorcery,( or miracles as you call them) that we find amusingly fascinating.

Unlike Muslim zealots you guys are harmless, somewhat irritating at times, but really quite harmless.

keep the the good work, your reward will be in heaven.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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You unholy are ignoring the point .

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Another cry baby. Why don't you blow your farts out the other end so your face wont look like you need diapers?

Throwing a temper tantrum won't get you out of death.

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I agree with you in terms of ghosts. It takes a leap of faith to believe ghosts can exist, since there's really no way to have objective evidence of it, which puts it in the same boat as belief or not in God.

Aliens is a different matter. That's not necessarily a leap of faith but instead a calculation based on observing the factors which allow life to develop could exist somewhere other than on earth. Believing in aliens without proof is more comparable to believing an animal we've never discovered yet might exist in a jungle on the other side of the planet.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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How long have you been convinced that you are smarter than God?

Grenache(6054) Clarified
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I'm not smarter than the God you believe in. But I am smarter than bronze age writers pretending to speak for such a God, and they in turn are smarter than you who follows every word they wrote believing it all came direct from the mouth of God.

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God only achieved a 2nd class honours in Ecclesiastical Studies whereas Grenache got a PhD.

So, the proof of the pudding and all that jazz.

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I am an atheist and also don't believe in ghosts.

Nor do I believe we have been visited by aliens.

Now, that said: do I think we are alone in the Universe?

No.

Why?

Because of the sheer numbers. Hundreds of billions of stars in our own galaxy. Most of those stars have attendant planets orbiting them.

Then....factor in that there are hundreds of billion of other galaxies out there. Each of them with their very own hundreds of billions of stars. And most of those stars having some planets orbiting them.

So even if one out of a billion planets had life on it, and one out of a billion of THOSE planets had Intelligent life...well, that leaves billions of eligible planets out there for ET intelligent life.

Why should we, therefore, be special? There is nothing special about our own Sun, for example. It is simply a very average Main Sequence, middle aged and middle-sized star.

But I don't think we have been visited by Aliens, simply because of the vast distances. It is over four light years to even the nearest star system! (Excluding our own sun, of course.) So all indicators point to us not being special, but rather, only one of many many civilizations.

So..unlike, say, God, which has NO verified stats or numbers or observations alluding to its existence, we have many reasons to think there are what you call "aliens" out there.

And the reason I criticize theists for their beliefs is because they base them on ZERO scientific evidence. All they use is their own holy books, which are not science books but are rather, works of man-written fables and myths. None of them ever having been proven.

Show me REAL evidence for gods, like we have Hubble pictures of all those trillions of stars, then I will begin to consider the possibility of the existence of gods.

Till then, I consider believers in gods to be deluded.

SS

KeepSmiling(54) Disputed
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You want evidence for God. Think about this: Everything has a cause. It is impossible for something not to have a cause. So the universe must have had a cause. It can't come out of nothing. So God must have caused it. What was the cause for God? There was none. He had no beginning he was there infinitely.

It is not logical to not believe in God.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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You want evidence for God.

Yes I do, so please offer me some!

Everything has a cause. It is impossible for something not to have a cause.

True, that there IS such a thing as cause and effect. But we don't need any sort of gods for this. For example, the Cause of any species on Earth is to simply live and then create offspring so as to continue its species. The Cause of the expansion of the Universe is due to the Big Bang. But there is no "grand scheme" or Universal Intelligence or Morality at work here. Causing these causes! For example, what is the "cause" of deadly viruses? What is the cause of 5000 children dying from disease or starvation every single day? Is this the work of your god? LOL

So God must have caused it.

Wrong again. Saying god caused it is tantamount to saying, "Shit, we don't know what caused it, because we religious zealots are too lazy to do the science. So we invent gods to explain it, so we don't feel stupid for not knowing the REAL causes." This is the problem with religion: it teaches people to be OK with not understanding the real world.

So God must have caused it.

No cause, because he only exists in the deluded minds of believers. For me, and other atheists, we need no explanation for things that do not exist. I don't for example, spend time trying to fathom what caused Thor, or Shiva, or Odin, or Allah. Since none of them are real.

It is not logical to not believe in God

Once again wrong. At least you're consistent. Since there is no evidence for god, then it is ILLOGICAL to believe in him. And to worship him is just plain silly.

SS

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Everything has a cause.

What was the cause for God? There was none

Therefore, it is not logical to believe in God.

Jace(5189) Disputed
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There is also considerable evidence that weighs against the probability of concurrent intelligent life. The staggered genesis and dissolution of different galaxies, time required for intelligent life to evolve relative to the lifetime of suns, the risk of life annihilating collisions, etc. It likely is not enough to repudiate the possibility, but there is similarly insufficient grounds for thinking that there is other intelligent life in the universe.

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Ghosts are obviously superstition, but do you really think the universe contains billions of Earth-like planets but no intelligent life other than humans? Leave it to Christians to think small.

KeepSmiling(54) Disputed
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Name one earth-like planet._

cownbueno(407) Disputed
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Proxima B, 4 light years away, which happens to orbit our nearest star, Proxima Centauri, which is one of trillions of stars.

Jace(5189) Disputed
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There is considerable evidence that weighs against the probability of concurrent intelligent life. The staggered genesis and dissolution of different galaxies, time required for intelligent life to evolve relative to the lifetime of suns, the risk of life annihilating collisions, etc. It likely is not enough to repudiate the possibility, but there is similarly insufficient grounds for thinking that there is other intelligent life in the universe.

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There are stupid and judgemental people on both sides. It is frustrating for both sides because people tend to remember the stupid ones. But such generalizations are dangerous. I have my beliefs and other have theirs. I will treat others the way I want to be treated: respect.

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Most atheists are inconsistent hypocrites, just like their theist counterparts. They're just human after all. One need not go so far as ghosts and aliens, however. Faith in morality or justice, for instance, would suffice just fine. Theists tend to believe in these things as well, though, so it's no small wonder they overlook them as obvious contradictions t mainstream atheist argument.

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Obviously, because belief of ghosts or aliens isn't a universally held belief among every atheist. Belief in God, among monotheists, is.