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Why do atheists criticize theists believing in God when they believe in ghost, aliens etc
Why are there so many atheists going around criticizing theists for believing in something there is “no evidence" for when so many of them believe in things like ghosts and aliens. There isn't an ounce of evidence for ghosts or aliens. Sure, the universe is huge but that gives no support for there actually being aliens out there. And sure, many people claimed to have seen ghosts but many people have also claimed to see God.
I think it's rather unfair (and yes I know we live in an unfair world) that Atheists are mocked or criticized simply for not believing in what someone else does, and yes I know Theists are often mocked for believing in God but that doesn't make it ok to do the same. No one likes being painted with a broad brush. Believe in what you want, don't believe in what you want, just be a good person.
My sister is an atheist and she does believe in ghosts. She's had a few experiences that have (excuse the term) "freaked her right the hell out" but that doesn't mean she automatically has to believe in God. It's not an -if you believe in one then you must believe in the other- type of deal. She's also certainly never criticized me for my belief or anyone else who hasn't openly attacked her for hers. Honestly to think in this entire vast universe that we only know the smallest of small percentages about, that we are alone AND the most intelligent, is ego at it's best.
That wasn't God speaking. Read the whole of the first chapter. At proverbs 1:21 it says: on top of the wall she cries out, at the city gate she makes her speech:
So saying that you mock someone is wisdom? How is that wisdom? It wasn't even God speaking. It may have been in a book about wisdom but that does not make it wisdom.
They don't want to hear God's mockery. Do you want to hear God mocking you? God does not mock them so they can hear it. He mocks them because they despise Him and in doing so carry condemnation on themselves, and when their world falls apart they say "OH MY GOD!!!""" WHY? WHY?!?!?
And God mocks them because He told them why and they would not listen, and they will not listen if He tells them again. The fact that an atheist does not believe in God and will not listen to Him does not prevent God from mocking them, it only ensures that God will mock them.
Incorrect, they don't believe in Him. That's different from despise.
It's not that an atheist "heard" God or just refuse to listen to him. They simply don't believe. Do you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Do you take stock in what this God of Pasta says? No. You believe there is a God. They don't. They can't listen to what they simply don't believe exists.
They hate God and they love death. They scoff at God because they enjoy their lusts. You are one of them, pretending to be a good person when there is no such thing as a good person other than God Himself.
How can they hate something they don't believe in? If you think I'm pretending to be a good person then you must first think I'm a good person, yeah? That's sweet of you.
I view you quite highly. God loves you, you were made in His image, He loves you so much that He gave His Son to take your place in death, He conquered death for you offering you forgiveness if you will believe on Him and receive Him by faith as your Savior.
Can't listen and won't listen are two different things, and their is no comparison between God the creator and a created thing such as the pasta god. The pasta god is a straw man which is presented as something that is not God. Of course it's not God, it's a straw man. Why atheists thing these kinds of argument show intelligence is a joke.
I get the God mocks them. But they cannot perceive what they don't believe... Do you believe in ghosts or wizards or mermaids? You cannot hear a mermaid's song if you don't believe the mermaid exists.
Why do people say these tired old same old boring old things as if they prove something?
God by definition can be the only God. You imply there is more than one God, therefore none of the things you call "God" are actually God, they are straw men you set up and then argue that they are not God. Of course they are not God. Duh.
So you cannot hear a bird's song if you do not believe birds exist? I really don't care if mermaids exist or not. Maybe they do exist, maybe I have actually heard their songs and didn't realize it was mermaids, maybe not. You're not making much sense. You're only trying to fool yourself, and you're not doing yourself any favor, just making a fool of yourself and I think more highly of you than that. I know God loves you even though He allows you to make a fool of yourself.
I probably was not clear. The reason I ask these questions is because there is something I don't understand in your statement. Here let me explain why.
A belief relies on the acceptance that something exists. So, not believing is denying that something exists. For atheists, God does not exist. In their world, God cannot be.
So, let us suppose that atheists do not want to hear the mockery, it directly implies that atheists must have heard the mockery. If they heard God's mockery, it means that God has an effect on atheists surroundings. If God has an effect, I means that for atheists God must exist.
That cannot be because we defined atheists as people who do not believe in God.
So, either our atheist isn't really atheist or our atheist simply doesn't hear God's mockery.
A belief does not rely on the acceptance that something exists. A belief is a choice which may or may not have any basis in reality.
For atheists, God is there if they acknowledge Him or not. Saying He is not there does not make Him go away.
Maybe atheists won't hear God's mockery when their calamity comes like a whirlwind and they cry out "OH MY GOD!!!" God offered them counsel and they refused, and God will mock them when they cry out to Him in their troubles. I believe they will not hear God mocking them, though they may get the feeling that God is mocking them........they certainly will feel like God does not care and they will curse Him for not relieving their problems.......
God holds everything together, by Him all things consist. He gives life, He gives time and if you think He has no affect on your surroundings and you don't care that He died for you because He loves you and does not want you to die for yourself and pay for your sins in Hell........you are going to lose everything you think of as good or enjoyable in the fire of Hell, the only place where an atheist can have the reality of his heart's desire, existence void of God's concern, void of anything good, exactly what the atheist wants and because God is good He will eventually give up on them, stop trying to talk them out of their idiocy, and give them the no-God reality they want in the fire of Hell where nothing will indicate God is good like His air and sunshine and rain does now.
Atheism is a self-deception, willful ignorance in hope of escaping reality in death. Dying never ends in the fire of Hell as it ends here, your time of dying in this world is limited, it is not limited in Hell.
I did imply it because I wanted to see you write there is only one God. So you are also speaking for muslims and hindis when you say God mocks atheists?
Not at all. The gods of Hinduism and of Islam are not God. You use them as things you say are not God, and then you argue that God cannot be God because the gods of Hinduism and Islam cannot be God. Your making a straw man argument, presenting thing which are not God and upholding them as proof of your argument that they cannot be God because their is more than one of them. Of course they cannot be God. They are not God.
You say the God of Hinduism and the God of Islam are not God, correct? Or do you say they are God? If you say they are the same as God, then you admit you believe in God but you are confused about the claims of various religions regarding God....or you are saying the gods of different religions are not God, arguing against your own absurdity...of course they are not God. It's silly to throw things out there which are not God and then argue they cannot be God. How old are you? Who taught you to play this child's game of pretending you don't know what you are saying?
God is against man-made religions such as Hinduism and Islam. God is a person, He is not a religion. Religions which claim to be of God are lying. God speaks for Himself. You will listen or you won't.
And I have a daughter, a strong Baptist, that says her house is haunted. She says her husband and family have ALL seen "apparitions" there. Even theists have to believe what they see as a group.
That's interesting. When my father passed away we could still "feel" him from time to time. Even when he wasn't in my mind and we'd refinished the basement for some reason one night there was a strong scent of him that I hadn't remembered in a long time. There was no reason why it should have been there,, he'd had a man cave down there with all his computers and radio's and such and the basement was only finished after he'd passed away for about two years. My sister was sleeping in the basement once and saw a face looking at her then it disappeared.
I've always been curious about ghost stories, do you have any to share?
You're the one being disrespectful, she needs to hear the truth and to me now you are being a punk. If you have a problem with the truth, that's your problem. If you want to encourage people to be deceived, that's your problem and I will not respect such evil.
If you want to tell someone the truth tell them it respectfully. Their father tragicly passed away and your calling him a rotting corpse. They believe that they felt their father's spirit. Someone's spirit would not feel like a rotting corpse. And could be right about being father's spirit. Or maybe it was their father sending down a message from heaven. And how do you know that what you're saying is the truth. For all you know you could be completely wrong.
He knows no other way. It's alright though, I think he thinks I was meaning in the literal sense. I'm sure at this point he's bone and dust, I don't know how long it takes for a corpse to decomp in a coffin. I know what happens to the body, the spirit is different.
They are in danger. You care about your daughter, and annoying as you are to me most of the time I care about you and if your daughter is a true believer in Christ she is a sister of mine. There are legal footholds evil spirits can obtain through things like Ouija boards, kids dabbling in witchcraft like that Harry Potter garbage, parents who toyed with Ouija boards or magic spell games when they were children....evil spirits get legal footholds in people's lives when doors are willfully opened to them and they may be assigned by outsiders who practice witchcraft and are given access by family or friendship privileges. It could be that there is a local group of witches or satanists attacking your daughter and her family, and it could be things in the past of your daughter, her husband, or the children.
Many people at my church have had to deal with these same kind of things in their house. One family of 7, with four girls and one boy, was having a lot of strange activity in the house. The wife knew it was a demonic haunting, the kids knew supernatural things were happening, but the husband didn't see any of it and simply thought everything was a combination of their superstitions and coincidences. Then one morning the kids got up one by one and told of the nightmare they had that night. Every one of them had the same nightmare, none of them talked it over with each other before they told their parents about it. That's when the husband began to say, "ok, something really is going on here and we better get some help". My pastor has a lot of experience dealing with these things.
Your daughter needs to get help from a man of God before things really get out of hand. There are evil spirits trying to destroy her and her family. She should first tell her pastor, and if her pastor is not experienced in these things and does not know how to handle them, she needs to find a man of God who does know how to handle these things.
I appreciate your concern, really. I will relay your message, it's up to them how they handle it. There seems to be nothing "evil" so far. She has been fighting Cancer for about 5 years, nobody expected her to last this long. Maybe they are actually protecting her?? Everything we don't understand is not evil.
I hope your sister? I think you said your sister, is doing well and I hope the cancer goes into remission. It's comforting to think they are there to protect her or help her. I agree, everything we don't understand doesn't have to be evil. If she finds comfort in their presence then good for her. My sympathies for what your family is going through.
It's evil and it's intention is to destroy the family. "Apparitions" are not what they appear to be. Maybe they cannot tear at the family much while she is there. Even if nothing seemingly unusually bad happens, those things still have a foothold in that house and apparently somehow with that family. They are not protectors, they are hell bent on destroying every person they can and they are limited by God which is the only thing that keeps them from tearing every one of us to pieces now. If they are not dealt with properly in light of God's word, they will continue working toward destruction of your daughter and her family.....and I'm sure they want you also, but you offer them no resistance so they probably leave you alone as they don't want to wake you up.....if they came on you like they are on your daughter, you might actually realize you need to be saved by God from Hell.
We are in a battle, the devil wants to destroy us and see us in Hell where he will be chained and powerless forever. We can be saved, the devil cannot be saved. He is a deceiver, "ghosts" are tools of deception. Even if they seem to be helpful or do good things, their purpose is to keep people away from believing the gospel by which they can be saved from Hell. Evil spirits can appear to be beneficial....there is a beautiful side to evil but that side is only a veil of deception to lure in unwary people.
Hauntings and "aliens" and UFO's and all sorts of weird things are on the rise and will increase as we get closer and closer to the final hours of this world. The devil knows his time is short and is busy trying to destroy all he can before he loses all of his freedom and power when chained in the abyss of Hell's fire forever.
I know what I'm talking about well enough by experience, by knowing God, and knowing His word well enough. Anybody who has any experiences like what your daughter is experiencing is under fierce attack from evil spirits.
Yes, everything we do not understand is not evil, but these things in your daughter's house are evil. She needs help from somebody who has a grip on dealing with them the same as Jesus dealt with them.
I choose to call "evil" what I see that has DONE evil. My daughter has, so far, survived several years beyond what was expected. I respect your opinion, but, until I see evil, I'm not accepting anyone's recommendations to hate. We, as Americans, at one time hated the Irish, the Italians, the Japanese, the Indians, the "blacks" etc. We painted them all as evil. You think atheists are evil, apparently as a whole. I don't paint ANYONE as evil, as a whole. In fact, I think there are many Christians that are some of the best people in the world, and I see some that ARE basically evil. You seem to see anything not "by the Book" as evil. As always, I need to see evidence, and I do not see all that is written in books as evidence. To me evil is, as evil does. I'll know it when I see it.
Oh gosh your daughter. That's even worse. To see your child suffer is unimaginable.
I agree. Until something shows itself to be evil, one shouldn't call it as such. If you go around thinking everything you don't understand is evil, then maybe there's some evil inside yourself.
+Amazing. I'm an atheist. NO ONE has seen me criticize a theist for believing in their "god" (which ever one they believe in.). I DO criticize them when they tell me (I) must believe as THEY do ... or go to hell! I DO criticize them for trying to force laws onto us that FORCE U.S. to follow THIER rules. I DO NOT "believe" in ghosts OR aliens, though I do believe there is actually MORE chance that we will SEE one, or find out that they DO exist. Even that aliens have been here before. That IS just a "chance", not a "belief". It would be nice if YOU would learn just what "atheists" believe. I think you would find THEY are more open to learning about ANYTHING, rather than "believing" what they are TOLD they MUST believe.
Thats fair. You dont go out of your way to criticize the dillusions of low intelligent people of faith, those who are pushed to believe things they shouldnt, but do so likely driven by fear of the the myths of bronze age God. And I appreciate that you are not a part of militant atheists in free thinking movement, and the politivmcal agenda of a one world socialist regime, with a strategic forceful intent to put religion out completely, and to free the poor minds of unsuspecting children from the virus of goodness, love and joy found in faith in the Living God, and His Son Jesus. Thabk you that you do not feel the need to replace the faith of weak minded, needy, weak willed Christians, to be replaced with the education of idiots and fools by a people who are violent an unloving and cruel even to their own day and night, 24 hour access to spout lies and violence. I'm glad your not one of them.
We confront lies, we cant just sit by. It would be like watching people drive of a cliff without at least posting a danger sign! We meet deceptions and raise truth for people to see and make up their own minds. We love truth we have a passion for light. And Jesus said to let light shine to draw others to Him. So like Paul and Peter and the early church we shine in darkness, and work with the Spirit to gather those who are His.
Its a work we love, because His Spirit fills us, and there is no greater high then to be in light sharing in Him and His work. What kid doesnt get excited about going to a work day with their dads?
We work with the Father, it's like "bring your kid to work day." It's a joy and pleasure. And He puts within us pop rocks of wisdom and understanding. He flows within us illuminating mysteries like found hidden treasures, and like we drink in rushing living waters, being in light is like riding waves of lights, giving understanding and traveling through the depths of God at the speed of light, in a moments God communes and reveals Himself day and night to His own, and it's a ride like no other.
There is a rushing destructive flood of deceptions, sources that that bury truth and promote falsehood and inaccuracies. Satans pawn, slaves, objects to use and toss into fire.
We Christians have a fervent love of the truth, and we want to make sure people can find it. And we want to make sure prople are not so deceived that they dont realize the deceptions or the absence of truth. So we bring truth to sit next to deception so the choice belongs to the indiviual, not steered by the masses!
I think God has us doing that to seek His lost sheep in order to complete His sheep fold in these last times. And as a double edged sword, greater judgement will go out to those who promote deceptions.
The flood has come like a rushing destruction blinding those who love darkness and hate light. Jesus says "just like the days of Noah" ..... Two in a field, one taken one left, .... they ask where Lord? He answers, where the flesh is the vultures are gathered.
Then go to revelations there are to parties featured.
The wedding feast of the Bride and Groom, Jesus, a love feast with the God of Love Himself.
And then there is a table set and He serves up His enemies to every foul bird. And He calls out to the birds to feed.
Yet He still calls out to those on the highways and by-ways, and says come to the wedding feast of the Lamb! Come through the narrow gate, eternity of joy awaits!
Reminds me, if the story about Noah turns out to be true, that all species would go through so much combined inbreeding and still turn out well (I guess it didn't say all species deteriorated heavily), you can disprove a lot of biology with that. (And the Adam-Eve thing, or its equivalent in other religions, even though they don't go overkill by bringing people out of ribs of others).
With all that, the children are better off deciding for themselves. Dominating dogmatists have already made the human search of knowledge suffer a lot, not to mention other things done by them throughout history.
Though calling activists as 'militants' is an exaggeration as much as some religion. You seem to portray dogma-rejectors as much worse than they are, and fundamentalists as much better than they are. An ego-centric bias, probably.
First of all inbreeding was practiced till Moses wrote for it to stop. It became a law when Moses wrote Leviticus.
So you are wrong from the foundation of your thought. Otherwise you would be correct.
7 sets of some animals (clean animals) 7 sets of each bird
And 2 sets of (unclean animals) went into the Ark.
We have heard the story book version and it paints a picture of 2 of each animal. But thats not what it actually says!
1 set of 2 male and female, because that is how God described each set that was brought in.
They went in pairs. Male and female.
Abraham was after Noah, he married Sarah his 1/2 sister.
The 1st humans inbread till genes began to produce abnormality potential. Then God interjected for it to end, at His appointed time.
1st of all this shows Divine guidance when man was not yet medically advanced. They didnt have a lab telling them that the gene pull had gotton to a point of causing problems.
God interjected knowledge by way of law, and it was at the appropriate time period. If He had put it into law earlier, then populations would have been significantly hindered.
God said fill all the earth. So how did the early writers know eventially man would cover area area of earth. Yet we are oceans between lands, and even if it occurred after the great flood, which likely divided continents, God said ALL the earth.
Just like He said the Gospel out to ALL nations.
That was a bold statement, since God was exclusive to a group of people.
Now it would be likely it would grow against such grave persecution to some surrounding nations, but improbable into ALL nations, yet it did just as was foretold! Against all odds.
Unlike evolution against all odds, this is purpose and design. So against all odds with an on purpose design, with a predetermined picture of its outcome. And this is proven with detailed accounts from its onset to its completion. Unlike evolution, it grew out to ALL nations just as Jesus said it would not by random chance against improbable odds.
It was pre told prewritten in old testament, and then retold within its beginning of final fulfillment, then it happened exactly how it was told it would happen.
1 - through Jews as a whole rejecting and crucifying Him
2 -:through death and resurrection
3 - through church's persecution
4 - through the prophesies of the Roman Emire and Catholocism as a force against it as well as all the other persecutions
5 - through apostasy, social unrest, and Israels prophesies
6 - Christianity in every nation.
By the way Jesus said the gospel in every nation would be an indicator that then the end will come! God has appointed times, many are specific 1st this then that then that. So not only is prophesy accurate to a T, it is also done in a specific order which is prewritten to be done in specific predesigned order!
Muslims grew through enacting extreme violence and extreme force, Jesus told of all this. And also Catholicism was a force of state and church as antichrist against Christianity. (Kind of like one world gov and religion we see coming as in Revelations)
Matt 11
12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.
It is obvious that when administrative tools are saturated, new ones can cross the tipping point only by using feelings more deeply rooted than existentialism. In violence, that's about fear - the most basic feeling. Predicting the final fates of these tools is nothing miraculous.
But, if God has so much purpose in everything, why did he make us at all?
Probably the God of agnosticism has answered your wishes you weren't particularly aware of, or [insert another random explanation here] or [an infinite series of random explanations].
Did you not have it since the beginning, or was it lifted sometime?
I can edit that one too. But, you should know that it is extremely inappropriate to try to suck my dick after I have told you I am not interested. So, let's make sure you stop doing that.
If you are talking to ME, catman, you couldn't be more wrong. I DON'T "hate" Christians, I just don't believe what they believe, so, I don't want them making rules and laws (Christian based), that I do not wish to follow. I don't like when they belittle me for not following as they think I should. I don't hate Muslims as many "Christians" do. I DO hate radicals of ANY type that can't keep their radical ideas to themselves. I hate communists, fascists, bullies and capitalists ... those that think they can get away with anything (like grabbing "front bumps"), and NOT considering the country that MADE them when they invest their money! THAT'S crazy!
No. I don't feel criticized at all. Who criticized me?? I stated a fact about how I feel, someone disagreed. That's what this site is for, not to act like a middle school wiseguy whenever you can't think of something to say.
If you don't feel criticized, why are you whining about atheist being criticized? I think you are not being honest in your statements about your feelings and only fooling yourself.
God mocks atheists and they feel criticized naturally because they hope in nothing but death and that's dumb. Then the atheists get defensive and say "I'm not dumb, I have three PhD's supporting my beliefs", or they get offensive and insult people who say it's foolish to say there is no God.
Some of them will shake their fists as they proclaim there IS no EVIDENCE of GOD, yet they cannot provide any evidence that they themselves are real and are not only something like a holograph inside their bodies which manifests itself as a personality but in reality is only chemical fizzes.
I don't have to block you, you are blocking yourself out of life. Fool. You may stop doing that, but I doubt that you will and while you know you are an annoyance and irritation with your STUPID fascist manners, I really do feel sorry for you. You're on your way to Hell and I really believe you won't seek God's mercy until it's too late and the fire is on you. God mocks atheists and their stupidity is funny, but it really is a tragic comedy.
The truth feels critical when we are against it. When we are for the truth, we know it's good.
That snarky remark is coming from a person who habitually whines when someone disagrees or criticizes him, then immediately blocks them from responding either before or after he posts about 3 or more taunting remarks.
Anyhoo, he can't block you since this isn't his debate.
Sorry, I went off topic from the debate. Moving on.
Scientists have found statistical evidence for an afterlife, which IMO IS an argument in favor of God. There are enough Earth like planets that it is statistically not possible or at least very unlikely for there to be no other life on any planets besides Earth with the number of solar systems with planets, etc.
Atheists basically believe there is no God, and then most of them feel compelled to elaborate on that idea to try to justify themselves by saying twisted things like "I have no god belief" as if their words are an impregnable wall.....and indeed they are an impregnable wall as long as the atheist can keep it from crumbling.
Atheists have all kinds of crazy ideas about reality which may or may not include belief in "ghosts" or "aliens", and may or may not consider apparent evidences of such things to be self-explanatory. Why in the world most atheists feel they have to elaborate on the cry-baby simplistic declaration of rejection of God which the fool in His heart makes when he says "there is no God" is a long tragic comedy.
Your original post proves otherwise. You said that you aren't satisfied without an explanation, now you are claiming that we don't need an explanation. I guess not knowing what you are talking about is the only Christian thing about you.
Nothing proves nothing to you. You start with nothing and end with nothing hoping it gets you out of reality in death. How foolish can a fool be?
Actually you started with something but decided it's nothing and believe it's all you have in death.....and it's all on it's way to Hell with you, fool, you're taking it all with you, all your evil deeds, words, thoughts, and actions, taking it all with you all to be lost in the fire of Hell.
I hope that helps but you will probably just strengthen your resolve to prove you are better than God....fool.
I am an atheist. I see theists attempting emotional pain all the time. Also, atheists are less likely to commit crimes. So, in what way do atheists try to hurt others?
You mean like when the atheist, Stalin, killed millions of his own people?
The number one killer of people is atheism, number two is religion......so obviously the real problem is evil in the hearts of people....and you are one of those people with an evil heart trying to murder God and keep Him dead forever.
Because God is true and deceptions are a dime a dozen.
Because they think by denying God, somehow He will waive their accountability
Because they close their eyes, and refuse to look, they font even understand the basics of what is ACTUALLY in the Bible, and they have no idea of who God is.
This is the 1st generation that is so far removed from understanding God, and good, and right and wrong, it is steeped and soaked in selfishness and self importance, and they invent knowledge and spin lies as truth.
They are one with darkness, to them every dark thing blends in. And its natural to them. God is foreign to them because God is not of this fallen world, and His children are not of this world. Any that are His will hear His voice, and will hate darkness and follow Him out of darkness. All others will remain in the darkness they were born into, they make their home in the darkness and lies deceptions and the world evils are in their hearts. This is the first generation that joins murderers by a click or a touch screen. They can participate and their hearts are not only speaking ebil, but recording their evils in writing.
The evidence against them is mounting, as the evidence of God revealed as things hidden for milleniums are being brought forth and evidence of God and is Word are also mounting.
This generation will be judged more harshly than others. Because each one participates in the deeds of darkness with passion for darkness.
Each one is as guilty by their own pen, they murder by their agreement with dark deeds, and they murder at the rate of evil regimes from their cell phones and tablets!
Because God is true and deceptions are a dime a dozen.
Wouldn't it be easier to criticize the deceptions and avoid criticizing the truth?
Because they think by denying God, somehow He will waive their accountability
I never understood this argument. Christians think that acknowledging God waives their accountability. Why would anyone believe that denying God avoids accountability?
Because they close their eyes, and refuse to look, they font even understand the basics of what is ACTUALLY in the Bible, and they have no idea of who God is.
This might be a possibility, but why believe in ghosts and aliens?
This is the 1st generation that is so far removed from understanding God, and good, and right and wrong, it is steeped and soaked in selfishness and self importance, and they invent knowledge and spin lies as truth.
That would explain why there is less divorce and crime ... oh wait.
They are one with darkness, to them every dark thing blends in. And its natural to them.
Is that what leads to aliens and ghosts?
God is foreign to them because God is not of this fallen world, and His children are not of this world. Any that are His will hear His voice, and will hate darkness and follow Him out of darkness. All others will remain in the darkness they were born into, they make their home in the darkness and lies deceptions and the world evils are in their hearts.
You sound like Bane. Do you have a funny voice?
This is the first generation that joins murderers by a click or a touch screen.
It is a little weird for someone to attack people who use technology while using technology.
The evidence against them is mounting, as the evidence of God revealed as things hidden for milleniums are being brought forth and evidence of God and is Word are also mounting
The evidence you keep referring to is always late for the party.
Do you get pleasure out of thinking the worst about people? It is really demented. When you picture Jesus does He talk like you? Why should we read the Bible when you won't?
So thoughtful is copy and paste add double stars and say the same kind of flippid commentaries you call arguments. Its cute how stupid you are. Quote Happy Bunny - lol
Ok here you go
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Me - Because God is true and deceptions are a dime a dozen.
You - Wouldn't it be easier to criticize the deceptions and avoid criticizing the truth? This is a poor rebuttal be ause you did not define truth as you view in reference to my original argument. Therefore it is - 1
Me - Because they think by denying God, somehow He will waive their accountability
You - I never understood this argument. Christians think that acknowledging God waives their accountability. Why would anyone believe that denying God avoids accountability?
This is actually a good point. +1 acknowledging God does not waive accountability. Satan and Cain, fallen angel and a man, both acknowledged God and Judas also, a knowledging God is basically opening a map app and typing in your destination.
If you dont leave the driveway, knowing the directions wont get you to the destination. When Jesus says I am the way, and the gate, and the door, and the road .... He also decribes the mapped out directions. So the whole Bible defines flesh from the fall ... Jesus came to go the opposite direction. He says, if anyone wants to be my disciple he must deny himself, pick up his cross, and follow the way Jesus laid out as the road back.
So the path is laid out.
Make a right at "Deny yourself" means nothing in the world binds you, God has all your heart. Its a life of light, and whatever attaches you to this world is denied you, and you choose it to not be held down by it when He leads.
Then follow Him to the cross. And realize what has taken place. Jesus says the cross is like the brass serpent Moses raised in the desert. And die daily and be filled with the promise of His Spirit given through His Resurrection.
That is living a life being born again, renewed daily, cleansed with repentence washed past present and future by the one sacraficed a lamb and enter the Holy of Holies to commune with Him, as we are called his children, we are also all saints, and priests.
Then in the end we join Him in body and spirit. So acknowledgement is only opening the door, you have to go through the one and only door.
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Because they close their eyes, and refuse to look, they dont even understand the basics of what is ACTUALLY in the Bible, and they have no idea of who God is.
This might be a possibility, but why believe in
ghosts and aliens?
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Well said, the 1st step would be if there is evidence of a signature in the Bible. And if the evidence is unusually fascinating individually, how about collectively?
If many things added up to not be possible that this many coincidences are in a collective book written throughout ages, and each piece of evidence is fascinating in itself but combined with the other possible proofs of Supernatural Authorship, the weight becomes unreasonable to dismiss as evidence that demands a verdict.
And if it is Divine Signatory, first prove it has a serious enough weight to take serios to investigate. Then after that is established figure out who is the author and His message and directive, and what is your responsibility toward the Author.
This is the 1st generation that is so far removed from understanding God, and good, and right and wrong, it is steeped and soaked in selfishness and self importance, and they invent knowledge and spin lies as truth.
That would explain why there is less divorce and crime ... oh wait.
There is also less marriages and more later life marriages. Also people are choosing spouses like you would business partners.
They are one with darkness, to them every dark thing blends in. And its natural to them.
Is that what leads to aliens and ghosts?
The Signatory would be the Holy Ghost, and He is an alien in a sense, from outside our space and time.
This is a poor rebuttal be ause you did not define truth as you view in reference to my original argument. Therefore it is - 1
So, instead of answering a simple question you pretend that you are doing a real evaluation. The fact that you can't answer my question just shows that you aren't willing to debate.
acknowledging God does not waive accountability
Calling all Christians liars is bad form. It is a fact that acknowledging Jesus as your Lord and savior removes accountability.
Satan and Cain, fallen angel and a man, both acknowledged God and Judas also, a knowledging God is basically opening a map app and typing in your destinatio
Satan and Judas did not acknowledge God, they betrayed Him. Cain was pardoned for killing Abel which proves my point.
If you dont leave the driveway, knowing the directions wont get you to the destination. When Jesus says I am the way, and the gate, and the door, and the road .... He also decribes the mapped out directions. So the whole Bible defines flesh from the fall ... Jesus came to go the opposite direction. He says, if anyone wants to be my disciple he must deny himself, pick up his cross, and follow the way Jesus laid out as the road back.
So the path is laid out.
Do you honestly believe that you have denied yourself to the extent that Jesus requires?
Make a right at "Deny yourself" means nothing in the world binds you, God has all your heart. Its a life of light, and whatever attaches you to this world is denied you, and you choose it to not be held down by it when He leads.
No one does that though.
That is living a life being born again, renewed daily, cleansed with repentence washed past present and future by the one sacraficed a lamb and enter the Holy of Holies to commune with Him, as we are called his children, we are also all saints, and priests.
But, since no one acts that way, how can anyone get into heaven?
Then in the end we join Him in body and spirit. So acknowledgement is only opening the door, you have to go through the one and only door.
No one can go through the door with the kind of requirements you describe.
Well said, the 1st step would be if there is evidence of a signature in the Bible. And if the evidence is unusually fascinating individually, how about collectively?
You quoted yourself and ignored what I wrote.
If many things added up to not be possible that this many coincidences are in a collective book written throughout ages, and each piece of evidence is fascinating in itself but combined with the other possible proofs of Supernatural Authorship, the weight becomes unreasonable to dismiss as evidence that demands a verdict
But, if you didn't believe that, why would you believe in ghosts and aliens?
There is also less marriages and more later life marriages. Also people are choosing spouses like you would business partners.
They are still making fewer mistakes than your fucked up generation. How can you claim that the younger people are darker when they fuck up less than you?
The Signatory would be the Holy Ghost, and He is an alien in a sense, from outside our space and time.
But according to you they are dark and have turned away from the holy ghost.
So thoughtful is copy and paste add double stars and say the same kind of flippid commentaries you call arguments. Its cute how stupid you are. Quote Happy Bunny - lol
It took you a full day to respond and you couldn't even figure out what stuff you said and what stuff I said. It took you a full day to respond and you still haven't answered the debate question.
God is foreign to them because God is not of this fallen world, and His children are not of this world. Any that are His will hear His voice, and will hate darkness and follow Him out of darkness.
All others will remain in the darkness they were born into, they make their home in the darkness and lies deceptions and the world evils are in their hearts.
You sound like Bane. Do you have a funny voice?
Points - 1 no point made. The statement I made is logical and written. And if the Bible prove to have Divine signature then those statements will be reality.
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This is the first generation that joins murderers by a click or a touch screen.
It is a little weird for someone to attack people who use technology while using technology.
points - 1
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Me- The evidence against them is mounting, as the evidence of God revealed as things hidden for milleniums are being brought forth and evidence of God and is Word are also mounting.
You - The evidence you keep referring to is always late for the party. It will be too late. Now is not yet too late.
Do you get pleasure out of thinking the worst about people?
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People in general have become filled with darkness. Violence is overtaking them. Its just like the days of Noah.
It is really demented. When you picture Jesus does He talk like you? Why should we read the Bible when you won't?
The Spirit communicates in many ways. One way is illuminating whwere things not known become deeply known in understanding.
Your comments are so stupid they are funny and not worth answering. What I want to know is how you got the way you are? What is your problem? It's obvious you have a big problem and you know what it is and are trying to keep it in the closet. .
My problem is that I have very simple questions for theists and they can't answer them. Theists talk about truth all the time but can't even answer the stupid easy questions. Weird, right?
Your problem is that you think you are as good as God and you are fooling yourself. Your problem can only be resolved by eternal damnation in the fire of Hell if you will not repent of all your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Your problem is that you think you are as good as God and you are fooling yourself.
How do you explain me claiming I wasn't as good as God when you have accused me in the past? I have made it very clear to you that I am not better than God, I am better than His fan club.
Your problem can only be resolved by eternal damnation in the fire of Hell if you will not repent of all your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Where do they and people like you who think they were actually God?
If you try to commit emotional pain and your God tells you not to then you don't truly follow that God. And please state where your got your statistics for atheists being less likely to commit crimes. And in what way do atheists try to hurt others? Like in all groups some atheists will try to hurt others and some will not. That question is easy to answer. I think you're are just telling lies when you say that some theists can't answer simple questions.
You didn't answer the question dumb shit. You just repeated the premise that atheists hurt people, and you added that they don't hurt people too. Is it emotional pain that atheists put you through?
No, I did answer your question. You ate just trying to make yourself sound correct. You just think your better than everyone else because you're an atheist. I will not be replying to anything you say to this comment because you will just lie and be disrespectful.
Notice the only atheist here is not arguing against God, he is arguing against "gods", things which are not God. The things he implies are not God indeed are not God, they may be called "gods" but they are not God. They are his own consciously created straw men, they are not God.
Many if not most atheists avoid talking about God and cannot talk about Him except in derogatory terms which prove only one thing...they hate God who they insist is not there.......they are desperately trying to keep themselves in the dark, talking about God recognizes light and they don't want light exposing their evil deeds; they close their eyes when they sense light is there and pretend that being blind has made God disappear....then they open their eyes to false light such as evolution or belief in Annanaki or whatever. They use "gods" as a smokescreen acting like they are in the open on the battlefield against God when in reality they are just running around blind in a fog shooting off their mouths as if their explosive comments will keep them from falling.
It's the shitheads like you with your elocutionary stories about supernatural beings and great deeds of sorcery,( or miracles as you call them) that we find amusingly fascinating.
Unlike Muslim zealots you guys are harmless, somewhat irritating at times, but really quite harmless.
keep the the good work, your reward will be in heaven.
I agree with you in terms of ghosts. It takes a leap of faith to believe ghosts can exist, since there's really no way to have objective evidence of it, which puts it in the same boat as belief or not in God.
Aliens is a different matter. That's not necessarily a leap of faith but instead a calculation based on observing the factors which allow life to develop could exist somewhere other than on earth. Believing in aliens without proof is more comparable to believing an animal we've never discovered yet might exist in a jungle on the other side of the planet.
I'm not smarter than the God you believe in. But I am smarter than bronze age writers pretending to speak for such a God, and they in turn are smarter than you who follows every word they wrote believing it all came direct from the mouth of God.
Interesting Jesus says children have more wisdom than the scholar.
Wisdom doesnt come from a phd, and often the knowledge in higher learning is closer to indoctrination than actual knowledge. So it would depend on the phd and the wisdom of the person getting it that determines their real value.
Grenache seems intelligent. At least a pointed debater who actually debates and considers points. Ive seen that in a few debate responses.
An education isnt the value of a person. Its who they are because of or inspite of their education.
The value is deep, education is just something you put on, the person within determines their value.
Now, that said: do I think we are alone in the Universe?
No.
Why?
Because of the sheer numbers. Hundreds of billions of stars in our own galaxy. Most of those stars have attendant planets orbiting them.
Then....factor in that there are hundreds of billion of other galaxies out there. Each of them with their very own hundreds of billions of stars. And most of those stars having some planets orbiting them.
So even if one out of a billion planets had life on it, and one out of a billion of THOSE planets had Intelligent life...well, that leaves billions of eligible planets out there for ET intelligent life.
Why should we, therefore, be special? There is nothing special about our own Sun, for example. It is simply a very average Main Sequence, middle aged and middle-sized star.
But I don't think we have been visited by Aliens, simply because of the vast distances. It is over four light years to even the nearest star system! (Excluding our own sun, of course.) So all indicators point to us not being special, but rather, only one of many many civilizations.
So..unlike, say, God, which has NO verified stats or numbers or observations alluding to its existence, we have many reasons to think there are what you call "aliens" out there.
And the reason I criticize theists for their beliefs is because they base them on ZERO scientific evidence. All they use is their own holy books, which are not science books but are rather, works of man-written fables and myths. None of them ever having been proven.
Show me REAL evidence for gods, like we have Hubble pictures of all those trillions of stars, then I will begin to consider the possibility of the existence of gods.
Till then, I consider believers in gods to be deluded.
You want evidence for God. Think about this: Everything has a cause. It is impossible for something not to have a cause. So the universe must have had a cause. It can't come out of nothing. So God must have caused it. What was the cause for God? There was none. He had no beginning he was there infinitely.
Everything has a cause. It is impossible for something not to have a cause.
True, that there IS such a thing as cause and effect. But we don't need any sort of gods for this. For example, the Cause of any species on Earth is to simply live and then create offspring so as to continue its species. The Cause of the expansion of the Universe is due to the Big Bang. But there is no "grand scheme" or Universal Intelligence or Morality at work here. Causing these causes! For example, what is the "cause" of deadly viruses? What is the cause of 5000 children dying from disease or starvation every single day? Is this the work of your god? LOL
So God must have caused it.
Wrong again. Saying god caused it is tantamount to saying, "Shit, we don't know what caused it, because we religious zealots are too lazy to do the science. So we invent gods to explain it, so we don't feel stupid for not knowing the REAL causes." This is the problem with religion: it teaches people to be OK with not understanding the real world.
So God must have caused it.
No cause, because he only exists in the deluded minds of believers. For me, and other atheists, we need no explanation for things that do not exist. I don't for example, spend time trying to fathom what caused Thor, or Shiva, or Odin, or Allah. Since none of them are real.
It is not logical to not believe in God
Once again wrong. At least you're consistent. Since there is no evidence for god, then it is ILLOGICAL to believe in him. And to worship him is just plain silly.
There is also considerable evidence that weighs against the probability of concurrent intelligent life. The staggered genesis and dissolution of different galaxies, time required for intelligent life to evolve relative to the lifetime of suns, the risk of life annihilating collisions, etc. It likely is not enough to repudiate the possibility, but there is similarly insufficient grounds for thinking that there is other intelligent life in the universe.
Ghosts are obviously superstition, but do you really think the universe contains billions of Earth-like planets but no intelligent life other than humans? Leave it to Christians to think small.
There is considerable evidence that weighs against the probability of concurrent intelligent life. The staggered genesis and dissolution of different galaxies, time required for intelligent life to evolve relative to the lifetime of suns, the risk of life annihilating collisions, etc. It likely is not enough to repudiate the possibility, but there is similarly insufficient grounds for thinking that there is other intelligent life in the universe.
There are stupid and judgemental people on both sides. It is frustrating for both sides because people tend to remember the stupid ones. But such generalizations are dangerous. I have my beliefs and other have theirs. I will treat others the way I want to be treated: respect.
Most atheists are inconsistent hypocrites, just like their theist counterparts. They're just human after all. One need not go so far as ghosts and aliens, however. Faith in morality or justice, for instance, would suffice just fine. Theists tend to believe in these things as well, though, so it's no small wonder they overlook them as obvious contradictions t mainstream atheist argument.
