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Why do atheists on this site want to argue with other atheists about the existence of God?

It's been demonstated that most of the atheists on this site clearly don't want a religious person's point of view regarding their own religious questions (?) or they wouldn't get so upset and be so disrespectful, and since they don't believe in a God—what's the point? Why are they asking them?

Do they really want answers and intelligent debate or do they just want to bask in themselves?

They want answers

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In order for one to achieve a debate one must have two (or more) opposing points of view. If a religious debate were to occur only among religious people it would devolve into one of the following models: (1) my god is better than your god, or (2) we agree on the big issues but some of the details are fuzzy. Of course a debate between any theist and an atheist ends in this model:

Atheist: "Can you prove that god exists?"

Theist: "No, that's the definition of faith."

Atheist: "Then I conclude there is no god since there is no evidence of a divine being."

Theist: "But the Bible says there is, God inspired the writers of the Bible, therefore there is a God."

Clearly the difference in belief is so fundamentally different that any impartial measurement will inevitably favor the atheist because (s)he has the benefit of logical reasoning.

Side: They want answers

An atheist wouldn't argue with another atheist about God... that doesn't even make sense.

Do NRA members argue with each other about the meaning of the 2nd amendment?

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ThePyg(6738) Disputed
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actually... they do.

Some NRA members are for registration and permits while others aren't.

Side: Bask in their words
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Most of who I talk to about religion, talk more about the Bible than anything. The Bible is rich with ancient philosophy, some of which holds true to this day, and some that I cannot imagine being valid ever.

The people that I talk to who don't tolerate the opposite opinion, bother me. Tolerance is close to virtue, so if you're religious and you seem to "know" that your faith is it, and there is definitely a god, I'll argue with you. If you're an atheist and you believe that there is definitely no god, or reason for being religious, I'll argue with you too. No one can know, which is why it's still an issue. This is how I show people how they come off, intolerant.

If you're religious, you must deal with the fact that you don't know. Be honest with yourself. If you're an atheist, same deal, you cannot know that you're right. All of the science in the world couldn't disprove the existence of God.

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Because we all have different reasons for not believing in god. I also think a god is a possibility but I do not believe in one (or five or ten for that matter) while some atheists deny the possibility outright. We actually like debating with religious people.

Side: They want answers
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Well, actually they do want to argue with religious people. They love to argue and win, It is easier to debate on the atheist side because there are more of them. Thats why they win.

to quote an atheist from this site, they think it's "incredibly easy and entertaining to debunk in endlessly creative ways."

-yeah its incredibly easy to do allot of things when you are the majority

Side: They Do It For Fun
pvtNobody(645) Disputed
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No it's incredibly easy because, as I stated in the "Should the religious debate section only be for religious people?" debate, religion requires faith. That is the belief in something regardless of the lack of proof. Atheists, by and large, are skeptics who want proof; they refuse to accept a concept without supporting evidence. Thus: "I believe in God because the Bible says He exists" doesn't fly with skeptics because there's no reason to assume that the Bible is accurate. The fact that there is a greater number of atheists than theists is further support for this. Debate is an art that is reliant on logical and rational thought. By definition faith is both illogical and irrational and therefore cannot win in a logical debate. This is a fact, and I must stress that, one's faith in a god (or set of gods) cannot be explained logically.

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lol, yeah, I said that, and I meant it, it really is fun.

But I don't actually think we're a majority on this site.

And we certainly are not a majority in the world at large, link.

Christians take the lion share, at a whopping 33% of everyone, followed by Islam at 21%, then "non religious" comes in at 16%, Hinduism is at 14%, then a bunch of other stuff with 6 or less percent.

As Pvt said, it's nearly impossible to win a religious arguement because there just is no proof of any of it.

But I'm curious, where is there an example of two atheists argueing about the existance of god?

The only arguement I can think of is why god doesn't exist, like one person says "there's too much evil, I'm sad" and another, "there's no proof, etc."

In which case, person one would probably lose, because like the religious, they are basing their arguement on unmeasurable, and subjective feelings.

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Yeah I agree that we are the majority, I was just talking about the site.

"But I'm curious, where is there an example of two atheists arguing about the existence of god?"

Thats a good question. I'm with you on that one.

Side: Bask in their words
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Yeah, it's pretty obvious that religious debates in this site are obsolete.

but i'm that middle ground that can create an actual DEBATE.

you can't debate on religion because if you're that religion, you believe in it. if you're an atheist, you don't.

nuff said.

but i debate more on the belief and how religion has effected us. if it's really as evil as most secularfags try to portray it or if the idea of God is really so obscure.

But, to show how arrogant and close minded atheists can be, they actually hate the upbringing of intelligent design, even though it's NOT RELIGIOUS and is too vague to just be SUPERNATURAL. it could be ENDLESS results as many atheists already believe in. that one life form created life and a life form created that and so on. intelligent design portrayed as a religious movement is a fallacy and completely absurd. i am not religious AT ALL yet i still accept intelligent design as a plausible theory.

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I wonder which atheist on this site you could be referring to....hmmm. Since you're probably attacking me I guess I should respond.

Are you saying an atheist can't argue objectively which religious philosophy is the best? Obviously we don't believe in the supernatural stuff, but certainly one can take lessons from some of the great religious texts. The advantage of disbelief is that you can look objectively to see what parts of each of these books you think are good lessons, and which aren't.

For example, when the Bible says "homosexuality is an abomination" (or something like that), I can see that that's ridiculous because it has no reasoning behind it, and doesn't make sense. The same with touching pigskin (also in the Bible). I know I'm not being immoral by tossing a football.

On the other hand, some of the values taught are useful. For example in the Mahabharata, the hindu epic, the Yudhishthira argues that one must stick to ones ideals in both good times and difficult times, because otherwise our ideals are meaningless. This is a great part of the story because the opposite side is argued by another character, and he makes his points through rational thought.

Thomas Jefferson thought like this, and in fact went through the Bible and cut out the parts that he didn't like. That version is sitting n congress today.

As for the intelligent design thing, I already made my point in another debate so I won't repeat myself, however, let me say this: it is not just atheists opposed to ID. In fact many school science teachers who are Christian oppose the teaching of intelligent design in the science classroom because intelligent design is not science.

But if you would like to call all atheists bigots because it makes you feel better about your own beliefs, please don't let reality get in the way of your world view.

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ThePyg(6738) Disputed
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never called ALL atheist bigots.

what's up with you and generalizing?

also, i guess you can't accept on how the ID theory works.

as i've put about over 9000 times already, it doesn't HAVE TO BE supernatural. Richard Dawkins accidentally confirmed this.

atheists can't argue with religious people on whether religion is TRUE or not because one will say yes and the other will say no. that's not a debate. the messenger was asking on why atheists would argue with other atheists about the existence of God if atheists already believe that there's no way, no how that God or any form of it could exist. it wasn't a question on philosophy of religions, just on the existence of God.

and i realize i'm rebutting something from another comment of yours, but it still applies.

Side: Bask in their words