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Why do atheists think they are smart?

Why do atheists talk so stupid and think they are smart?  Usually their first line is "which god", a straw man argument against things which cannot be God because they are not supreme.  The stupid atheist, thinking it is smart, somehow is not able to grasp the concept that in order to be God, He must be The Supreme One outstanding and above all things atheists might call "gods".  When atheists say "which god", they know it is only God who they want to be free from, and gods really do not matter even if they are real things.


Atheist somehow manage to equate their obnoxious attitude with intelligence, and in reality they are only making fools of themselves proving they love their mental block which they believe can shut God out and provide them a place to hide their evils.
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Aside from the fact that your statement is most likely an exaggerative generalisation. Does it matter? If they do and they are, then there's no problem. If they do and they aren't, well whoopty doo. There are always arrogant pricks, be them theist or atheist. If you can show that atheists as a collective movement tend to be exaggerative of their own intelligence then great! That's mildly interesting and we can all laugh at that. If not, then I don't really see your point.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Banned.....learn some manners . .

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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This is about atheists, not for atheists. Atheists who converse here are expected to show some manners which apparently your mother knew little about.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Amazing people even read a trashy post like yours.......oh well, trashy people are attracted to trash I guess.

Antrim(1297) Banned
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Whatever else atheists do they do not sit smugly in judgement of the sincerely held beliefs of others.

Of course this thread is no more than a mischievous and willful provocative

''points generating'' exercise.

You ''believe'' in God and the scriptures of the Holy Bible, that's fine.

We ''believe' that God as represented in the Holy Bible does not exist.

So, what's the problem?

Why do we upset you to the extent that you feel it necessary to bombard us with insults and scorn our viewpoint which we not try to ram down anyone's throat?

May your God go with you.

Dermot(5684) Banned
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You're getting more and more charitable day by day Antrim ๐Ÿ˜Š

You make a fair point why indeed do they get so upset after all they're in the majority , who are they really trying to convince ?

Antrim(1297) Clarified Banned
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I guess I view such apparent spontaneous outbursts of hysteria with amusement tinged with a little scepticism and intrigue.

Intrigue, because I'm of a mind that Fromwithin and Bronto could be one of the same, or at least have a ''Holy Alliance''.

Either way, in the overall scheme of things it's all good clean fun.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Hello to the people who know their attitude makes them unwelcome with me.......should have stayed out.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Atheists do not sit smugly? Have you ever watched the faces of atheists as they say "I have no god belief"? Faces that say "I'm guilty and I'm playing dumb".

You're going way off topic here. You don't upset me, I feel sorry for you. I know you are on your way to Hell and try to warn you and tell you how you can be saved and all you do in response is act vile. And atheists most certainly do try to ram their beliefs down the throats of others, and they do it in illogical and insulting ways usually packed in paragraphs laced with vulgarity and profanity.....and the whole time they do it, they completely fail to argue against God as they always have to change God into a thing which is less than God so that they can argue that the thing they are calling God is not God. That is the point here, you are trying to go off on a tangent and ignore the point......trying to protect your pride, trying to convince yourself and others that you are actually smart when you are making the arguments of fools.

You need to know God before you invoke His name in addressing me. He is calling you, He called me, I am going with Him, for Him, by Him, to Him and you are on your way to Hell and that is your problem.

Notice how you can't simply say "we believe God does not exist". First you have to change God into something disqualified from being God, calling the thing (straw man) God as represented in the Holy Bible, a thing you do not believe is God but is just a thing talked about in the Bible, a thing which is not God. Why can't you just say "I do not believe in God", or more precisely "there is no God". What you are doing is avoiding God by talking about things which you believe are not God. The thing you believe is not God is indeed not God, only God is God. If you are so smart, why is that so hard for you to grasp?

What you think are insults and scorn are nothing more than attempts to hit you between the eyes with the truth in an attempt to wake you up for your own good. If I call you a fool, or an idiot, it is because you are acting like one and I know what it is getting you.........condemnation, eternal condemnation in the fire of Hell if you won't get saved from it. If you don't like my message, or my style, why not just skip over whatever I write and don't read it? There are several here who have attained that respect from me, they have made it clear that they are totally opposed to my message and will not listen, so I quit reading their posts...you were on that list for a while, but here you are showing enough manners that I can maybe engage you productively, maybe get you to think outside of the box of atheism...and that's all atheism is; a box.....it's a coffin, and God is there calling you to lift the lid of that box off of your face and look to Him and live.

I don't want to fight with you, if you can't converse progressively and logically with me, showing decent manners, please don't concern yourself with things which may or may not upset me and I'll go back to not reading your posts. And it is atheists who get upset, showing it in their outbursts of profanity and insults, and if I argue with an idiot, the idiot will drag me down and beat me with experience.......I simply get tired of them and give up and walk away, that is why I made this discussion.....it does not bother me in the least if atheists who have been abusive and show they will continue to be abusive ignore me....and after they act like total jackasses, they say I'm getting upset by them?

So what's the problem? If all you want to do it attack, I'll just go back to ignoring your posts and let you go your own way and hope you enjoy yourself all you can and hope you don't hurt people.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Do yourself a favor, stay out of my discussions. I won't waste any more time reading your posts or trying to reason with you.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Are you enjoying yourself as much as I am enjoying my Savior? Are you having fun being a raving maniac?

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Oh yeah, now I remember........you need to be saved, you're on your way to Hell.

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They are typically white males, so I think it might stem from a sense of self entitlement. It may also stem from them typically having easier lives, thus they break when life gets tough and lose their nerve. Their lives were just so easy as kids that they can't handle anything tough that comes their way in life, so they wilt under pressure. I can offer them a million great reasons to have faith, but it's usually too late. They've already mentally retreated.

Dermot(5684) Disputed Banned
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It's hilarious to watch a group of so called followers of Jesus judging and condemning others , you's all obviously missed that teaching on judging others .

If Athests are mentally retarded it leaves them in good company as the mother of Mary thought Jesus ( that's the guy you's don't follow) mad ...... checkmate ..... again ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹

Mark 3:20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, โ€œHe is out of his mind.โ€ (NIV)

brontoraptor(28861) Disputed Banned
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Why is that? You said Jesus was a liar and a lunatic in another thread. So if he was a lunactic, why are you surprised? Apparently it depends on which argument is expedient to your new logical fallacy.

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Why wasJesusacompulsiveliar

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Welllll.........normally I don't read your posts as you can't seem to control your vulgar urges around Christians, but I did read this one and to my surprise you didn't use your usual dirty mouth....plenty of bad attitude, but at least you refrained from profanity and trying to express yourself intelligibly; and that is where you blew it due to your ignorance of the topics you present.

You might want to go back to Sunday School, or read the gospel accounts again, and start by burning your NIV which was created under the dictates of a known lesbian, and burn your other fake Bibles which were based on the work of Wescott and Hort who by their own words were not Christians. Get yourself a King James Bible and read the gospels to get the correct and very plain understanding of Mary and her relationship with Jesus Christ. I'll try to give you some basic points of Sunday School which you can find the details of if you will actually try to apply your brain a little to learn....I think maybe you got your mind twisted by Catholicism so you believe Mary was superior or equal to Jesus Christ and that is silly.

Now pay attention, son, here's the basic points of your Sunday School lesson today.

You can find all of the details in the gospels, I want you to read the gospels and give me the chapter and verse references of the following points, all very easy to find as you read.

1) Mary was a sinner, with natural tendencies to see and do things wrong. She presented sin offerings as instructed by God's word, for herself, when she gave birth. She also, sinfully, accused Christ of being beside himself (insane) when He knew who He is and she could not quite see it even though an angel sent from God had told her.

2) Jesus referred to Mary as "woman", He never called Her "mother". Even when He was nailed to the cross, and assigned her care to His disciple John, He called her woman, telling her to take John as Her son, and telling John to take Mary as his mother.

3) Mary was rebuked by Jesus when she was afraid with motherly fear after she lost track of Jesus when he was a boy, before finding him teaching in the temple. Jesus rebuked her with a question which she was supposed to know the answer to as she had been told by an angel....Jesus asked her if she didn't know He had to be doing His Father's business.

And if you read further in the passage from Mark which you chose as the poster of your ignorance, you will see Jesus pretty much ignored those who accused Him of being mad and continued His teaching and preaching.

So, if you think Mary's mistakes are more important than Jesus's claim of being God incarnate and the only Savior, the only way to Heaven, then go with your twisted view of Mary.....Yes, I do believe you really got messed up by Catholicism. I know they have some very weird teachings placing Mary above Jesus as Queen of Heaven (an idol specifically mentioned and condemned in the Bible, you might want to look that verse up also for extra credit in this Sunday School lesson, just Google "Queen of Heaven" and you will find the Old Testament reference). They teach something like Mary is the mother of Jesus so the Catholics pray to her as she will shame Jesus into doing what she feels He should do to answer their prayers..something weird like that. It's just plain idolatry, Mary and many other idols in Catholicism. Catholic is pagan, idolatry, it is not Christian, it changes everything which is Christian into things forbidden by the Bible...while it uses names from the Bible as a mask claiming to be Christian. It's sad how Catholicism produces so many atheists now....sad enough how many pagans they produce.

Mary is not who we look to as the guide of our thinking, Jesus Christ is. All you have done here is shown your ignorance, and proved the point of this discussion that atheists think they are smart by adding your stupid "checkmate" on top of your evidence of personal ignorance. Thank you.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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The teaching you are referring to, on judging, is in the context of brothers. I suggest you read it again. You are one of those who Jesus would say are of your father the devil, a child of Hell. I am one of those who would be called a brother of Christ. You are not my brother, you are a fool, and there is no danger for me in telling you the truth. If you, being a fool, call one of your brother atheists a fool, your brother is in the same danger you are in, you are in danger of the fire of Hell, FOOL!!!

I never call a Christian, a real Christian (not a Catholic) "fool" as I fear God and they honor Him by claiming to be and acting like they are children of God, joint-heirs of heaven with Jesus Christ. They are my brothers. They are not fools. You are not my brother, you are a fool, the fool has said in his heart, "there is no God".

Psalm 14

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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get out of here.......oh, you are banned already.....................

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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NIV is the homosexual Bible, it is not the word of God, it was created under guidance of a known lesbian and based on the work of Wescott and Hort (like all modern versions) who were wicked and ungodly men who didn't believe the Bible.

You might want to pick a different fake Bible, and stop using the homosexual version.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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I want you to stay out of my discussions. Anybody who calls themselves a Christian and wants to be like Peter when Peter was a traitor to the Lord is somebody whose input in my discussions is not welcome.

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The highest IQs are theists, so they, Atheists, have deceived themselves and each other.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1022635/pg1

Atrag(5550) Disputed
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You just quoted a site with name 'abovetopsecret' as a reputable source face palm

Dermot(5684) Disputed Banned
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That's not true and you're living proof the opposite is true .

brontoraptor(28861) Disputed Banned
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It is true. That's why I provided the link. Thus, you lied again. Of course, you've already been proven to be factually inaccurate on the Bible and guilty of actually stealing someone else's words and claiming them as your own.

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165004621

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3182714/posts

https://www.jaydinitto.com/8-out-of-the-10-highest-iq-people-on-earth-are-theists/

Sometimes I just get tired of being right while you are wrong. No I don't. Maybe you can retreat back to the whirlwind commandment giver argument.

The Atheists who rail aganst Christians are insecure people who can't handle the truth from those shining a light on their sins.

This is why they have no problem with false religions, because it means nothing what false religions say about them.

Think about it, would you worry about what Islam or the Jim Jones cult said about you? You would laugh at them for their cult following, no matter what they said.

Look at the love affair the Left is having with Muslims. Islam teaches to kill Gays, treat women horribly, and the Democrat Party says little about it. They constantly look the other way.

Activist Gay groups support the Democrat party, which is allowing Muslims sympathetic to the Quran's hatred towards Gays, to take a stronger foot hold in America. Ask yourself why.

I wonder why activist Gays worry more about Gay marriage than they do being executed by Muslms.

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Hello Now:

It's not really smart, per se.. It's attachment to reality.. Some very smart people are blinded by religion, and some very stupid people are atheists...

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NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Reality is that you are dying, dying people need to be saved, and only God can save you. If you think reality is being exonerated in death, you have another thing coming.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Religion is what a person does to convince themselves that their existence outside of the fire of Hell is justified.....it's what atheism is all about, the atheist tells themselves that it is not possible for them to be condemned.

Reality is that you cannot justify yourself, and you cannot get yourself out of condemnation. Only God can justify your existence outside of the fire of Hell, and the only way He can do that is in that He paid your price with His own life's blood so your wrong can be covered by His blood and in His resurrection He is the Just One who has the right to leave in Hell forever all who will not receive Him as their Savior, and He has the right to justify the eternal life of all who:

a) admit they deserve to die and burn in Hell forever as sinners

b) believe that Jesus is God the Creator who rose bodily from the dead after He took their place in death to save them from Hell

c) call on God the Father in the name of God the Son, asking for His forgiveness and receiving Him in reality as He is, the Living God who is willing and able to save all who come to Him in faith.

If you will not be saved, that is your choice and you are not smart...diabolical, which is twisted smart, really is not smart because it holds you in condemnation and there you are with one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell.

I hope you come to your senses and get saved, but I doubt that you will.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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I'll lift the ban since you really were not bad here in your comments....misguided, but not too obnoxious. I think your "attachment to reality" is attachment to death and you are hoping to get out of reality so you are exonerated; not judged or condemned. It's not much of a reality you are attaching yourself to, is it?

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No, they don't.

However, even if that were true, it'd be rather ironic coming from you.

I'd prefer it if you keep your noises of such debates as low as when I destroyed everything you could say that seemed rational to you. Now tell others that you're scared to read me.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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You know why I didn't read your post before I banned you, and I won't read it after you are banned. I asked you to leave me alone because of the threats you have made against me and many others. Please stay out of my discussions and do not reply to my posts. Thank you.

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The OP seems to fundamentally and comprehensively misunderstand and misrepresent the "which God" argument.

The argument:

"Do you believe in God? : Which God?"

If the person is christian, there is a near 100% chance that this person doesn't believe in the Hindu God, the Sikh God, Zeus, Apollo, Allah or any one of the other "supreme Gods".

The purpose of asking "Which God" is not to say that there isn't only one supreme God, but that to every different religion in the world "Their God" is the one true God, and none of the others actually exist.

It is to point that as a believer, out of the 10,000 "Supreme Gods", that have been manufactured or believed in by humans, you yourself consider yourself Atheist to 9,999 of them: only 1 fewer than that of the Atheist.

The purpose of that argument, is to point this hypocrisy; to point out the inanity of you thinking it's obvious that Vishnu and Zeus do not exist; but claiming it's obscene or ridiculous for someone to believe the same of your own.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Your reference to "the Hindu God", and other things you call "God", makes it clear that the thing you call "God" is a thing like the other things you call "God" which cannot be God because they are not God. I like to think you are capable of grasping this and are actually smarter than you act, but you are proving me wrong.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Answer this, genius, how can 10,000 things be supreme? Only One can be Supreme, and that One sure is not your brain.

Ramshutu(226) Clarified
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It is wise not to call people stupid when it is fairly clear that you do not understand the argument you are arguing against.

No; I am NOT arguing that the Hindu God is supreme, AND the Christian God is supreme, AND the Muslim God is supreme.

This is a ridiculous straw man.

The argument, is that Every religion thinks their God is supreme and all the others do not exist.

They can't all be right, and inherently means that you just as much an atheist when it comes to all those other gods.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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The purpose of asking "which God?" is to try to shut God out by implying He is not Supreme but rather is one of many gods. A thing which did not create all things cannot be God, no matter if you call it God or not. Are you on drugs so you can't grasp this simple logical truth?

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Is it that they think they are smart, or is it that they have enough self esteem and confidence to not accept it when the believers tell them they're fools who will burn in hell?

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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You are on my list of "don't read, ban at first sight". God has more patience than me, thank Him for that.

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So letโ€™s look at your claim

P1 - You Claim - Why do atheists talk so stupid and think they are smart?

P1.1 By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate. Also are you sure they are talking stupid and maybe you donโ€™t understand what they are saying? I read your entire statement and at the end of my response I posted why Iโ€™m an atheist.

P2 - You Claim - Usually their first line is "which god", a straw man argument against things which cannot be God because they are not supreme.

p2.1 - When discussing things we need clear lines of communications. If youโ€™re a deist, i need to know and respond appropriate verses a Christian fundamentalist or a roman catholic. And even then I need to know aspect of what youโ€™re claiming. Also if you cannot describe you god in a coherent and logical way then why should I accept it before we even discuss it.

p2.2 โ€“ Which god is not a straw man. If you say I believe in god, and I say which god, Iโ€™m asking for clarification of your position not misrepresenting. Which by the way is your first line in your statement.

P3 - You Claim - The stupid atheist, thinking it is smart, somehow is not able to grasp the concept that in order to be God, He must be The Supreme One outstanding and above all things atheists might call "gods".

p3.1 - Again by belittling your opponent you are attempting to undermined him/her not there position or objection. You can call me all the names in the book, but if Iโ€™m right or my argument stands its stands on the merits alone not the person presenting them. So you have a god, great. Please tell me the attributes of this god you claim exists and letโ€™s examine those traits you ascribe so I can understand what it is your claim.

P4 โ€“ You Claim - When a atheists say "which god", they know it is only God who they want to be free from, and gods really do not matter even if they are real things.

p4.1 - So from the beginning your staying were too stupid to understand or just denying. Which is more likely, I donโ€™t know your definition in your head, or i know what you know and i am lying. This doesn't tell me anything at all about your god and your argument is actually morally bankrupt.

Example: you could be a racist an say 'White people are superior to blacks" and i ask for examples of โ€œwhat is white? why you believe that? and can you demonstrate it?โ€ The answer back 'you know what whites are and why there superior, why are you denying the truth of racial superiority of the white race."

Iโ€™m not accusing you of being a racist, but i am accusing you of using a completely fallacious line of reasoning to avoid the simple exercise of explaining yourself and giving clear definitions. Would you accept a conversation where you were not sure what you were talking about? Why should any one else?

P5 โ€“ You Claim - Atheist somehow manage to equate their obnoxious attitude with intelligence, and in reality they are only making fools of themselves proving they love their mental block which they believe can shut God out and provide them a place to hide their evils.

P5.1 - This is a run on sentence. You say we sound dumb and think we are smart. This is a prime example of sounding dumb and assuming your being poignant.

P5.2 - So before you say were doing something to avoid god, you would have to define your god and show that your skygod exists. Then you would have to define my malice and sins, and demonstrate it.

p5.3 - As an atheist, all Iโ€™m asking for is a clear definition of a god and for you to demonstrate it without making a fallacious argument or an augment I could hear from any other religion claiming the same thing you are. That is all. And other then poignant, this is all basic simple English and basic rational discourse. I donโ€™t assume Iโ€™m smarter than others, but at least I can claim to be rational.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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hahahhaa.......you know about run-on sentences.......it's the style I use, if you don't like it, don't read it.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Why do you not refer to God by His name? The things you are calling god, are not God. They are your straw men and you are proving they are not God. You are a genius, you think?

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Has anybody ever said you are a little jerk

?

Supreme can be an opinionated view. A pizza is supreme. It does not describe a democrat majority must make the same choice of what is to be supreme. Each choice is a choice of Supreme Being.

Even Atheism is a religious choice and describes simply a title may be change as one name used to describe a topic. Names can be liked over other names.

NowASaint(1389) Disputed
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A supreme pizza would be an individual pizza stores label on one pizza which gives it a description implying it is above their other pizzas. The pizza store has only one supreme pizza. Do you think God is a pizza, so the Little Caesar's god is equal in power to the Papa Romano god? If that is what you are trying to say, the thing you are calling God cannot be the Supreme One as it is not supreme in all places. Arguing that a thing that is supreme in one place but not supreme in other places cannot be God is a true argument; it is not God because God is supreme in all places, and is above all things which are called supreme. Just because a thing is called supreme does not mean it is supposed to be supreme above all things in all places at all times. God is supreme in all places above all things at all times, and a supreme pizza is not supreme in all places above all things at all times.

Is this too difficult for you to understand? Is it too difficult for you to understand why I ask what makes atheists think they are so smart? They seem to be void of any grasp of simple logic.

Dermot(5684) Banned
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Well for a start how can you and others claim to be Christian when you so freely judge and condem others who disagree with your worldview ?

Do you conduct your life this way as in every time someone disagrees with you that you call them ' mentally unstable ' , obnoxious and stupid ?

Your intelligence is not up for debate you demonstrate your lack off by totally ignoring the burden of proof is with the believer the failure to disprove something does not constitute proof of its existence.

The burden of proof is always on the person making a claim, especially in cases where the claims are unsupported or unfalsifiable. With no enduring evidence that a God exists, there is simply no reason to believe in a deity, even if it's not possible to irrefutably disprove his existence.

I know all this is very 'tricky ' for you and the gang but please try .

NowASaint(1389) Disputed
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So how are you doing in your claim to irrefutably disprove the reality of eternal condemnation in the fire of Hell? How's that going for you? Are you finished yet?

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Psalm 14:1 .

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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You make a lot of claims, the burden of proof is on you. You don't have to prove anything for me, I'm not in your shoes, you are standing on claims you have not proven and I don't want to be in your shoes.

Prove that you have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell; don't die. I really would love for you to not die and prove you have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell...the only problem is you will have to get that from God, and the only way is Jesus Christ and you have pretty much proclaimed that you are bound and determined to be a fool.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Surprised i actually read this, and it boggles my mind how you can be so stupid.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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Why don't you just stay out of my discussions? This discussion is not for atheists, it is about atheists. I guess you didn't get that in the title/OP.....maybe I should have made it clearer, I know atheists are Hell bound determined to prove they are jack asses. Atheists who join this discussion should show good manners and not act like jackasses.

I think I have met the burden of proof to show that you think you are smart.