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Why do liberal celebrities work in movies that conflict their beliefs?

I've noticed that almost all action movie stars are liberals.

george lucas created star wars which is pro-war. harrison ford worked in star wars & indiana jones which are action packed. brad pitt played achilles who is a deadly warrior. tobey maguire played spiderman.

How can these liberals work in movies that are pro-violence & war & not be hypocrites?

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"I've noticed that almost all action movie stars are liberals.

george lucas created star wars which is pro-war. harrison ford worked in star wars & indiana jones which are action packed. brad pitt played achilles who is a deadly warrior. tobey maguire played spiderman.

How can these liberals work in movies that are pro-violence & war & not be hypocrites?"

Star Wars isn't pro-war; It's about the decay of Democracy into Totalitarianism, and the ensuing resistance. And all main character violence in American film is made legitimate, so you can't really put Maguire down for playing Spiderman.

But to answer your original question, actors aren't pundits, politicians, or anything that requires consistency. They're actors, and they'll take whatever job gets them the most money and/or the best career move.

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Well they shouldnt work in movies that conflict their beliefs.

they should work in peaceful movies.

Side: They are hypocrites
HGrey87(750) Disputed
2 points

Yyyyyeah, you already said that. And I responded to it. Do you read arguments before you respond to them?

Side: They are hypocrites
4 points

All your examples depict people fighting empires, super villains, and other evil doers, which furthers the cause of liberty, the root principal of liberalism. Thus, there's no conflict.

Side: no conflict

Glad someone made this point. I wanted to go literal with my debate, but this point exercises a wonderful point of misunderstanding. Bravo.

Side: They are ACTORS - It's what they do
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Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris and Sylvestor Stallone (and sort of Ah-nold) are all Conservative Action stars.

plus, Star Wars wasn't too much of a pro-war movie. i mean, yes, if you support a rebellion, you're supporting A war, but not all liberals are pacifists (morons).

Spiderman 3 was gay. so it had to be completely liberal.

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight had leaning right Conservative view points.

and plus, celebrities don't believe in morals. They would sell their soul (and i bet plenty of them have) to get a role in any movie. that's why Janeane Gerofolo (sp?) is in 24.

Side: Sell Their Souls

yeah those guys arent hypocrites for working in those movies.

but star wars is all about making their armys bigger & defeating the enemy. pacifism is a liberal ideaology. the liberals who arent pacifists are hypocrites.

spiderman 3 was okay. it actually had more agression in it.

batman I havent seen yet. I dont know about christian bales politics.

I dont believe in morals either. I believe in common sense.

Side: They are hypocrites
frenchieak(1132) Disputed
2 points

No, that's not what Star Wars is about.

That is a part of the plot. There is a bigger picture to look at in Star Wars and any other action movie. Think about it next time.

Side: They are hypocrites
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
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pacifism is not a permanent ideology for all liberals. Truman and FDR were very much for eliminating the enemy at all costs. And they were very liberal as well.

just because you are labeled as one thing doesn't mean you HAVE to believe in everything that one person has decided is the belief of that.

pacifism is an extremist belief. any person with common sense is not a pacifist.

Side: Sell Their Souls
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"Batman Begins and The Dark Knight had leaning right Conservative view points."

what?... I would love to hear your explanation of that.

"celebrities don't believe in morals"

Ever met one? Or are you just saying what the TV box told you. Every so called "celebrity" that I have met in my work has just been a person. We're all just people. It doesn't always take money to make an asshole.

"They would sell their soul (and i bet plenty of them have) to get a role in any movie. that's why Janeane Gerofolo (sp?) is in 24."

24 is a TV show not a movie.

Side: They are ACTORS - It's what they do
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
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well, The Dark Knight actually made it pretty obvious, especially at the end.

the whole speech on where the true savior has to be seen as an enemy to the rest of the world in order to keep us safe. that is actually very specific to what America was during the Bush Administration. whether you agree with that point of view or not doesn't matter, but that is what the end of The Dark Knight was talking about.

Then there's the spying on citizens. Morgan Freeman was against it, but it helped Batman save lives and stop the cops from killing the wrong people.

and yes, i have met celebrities. they truly don't care about what they have to do as long as it makes them famous. it's a psychological disorder that most celebrities actually possess. it has been confirmed that many celebrities are narcissist or dependents. in layman's terms, they're attention whores. and being those, they tend to be stupid as well. this is why 90% of college students who wish to become actors were okay with the idea of getting into a van because they thought it was a producer's van.

and i guess you got me. i was talking about movies but then i mentioned a show... so i guess this means that i'm completely wrong.

Side: Sell Their Souls

Did you miss the debate about Liberals being hippocrates? ;)

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Are_liberals_hypocrits

Side: Sell Their Souls
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:y Psssssst... I think he was the one who started that "debate". :^/

Side: They are ACTORS - It's what they do

As someone who has acted in various shows (mostly theatre) it is very important to be able play any character. If you only play characters who you are like, then you'll never get any work. Your question should be "why do actors...", not liberals. Your injecting a political overlay onto a simple question.

Side: They are ACTORS - It's what they do
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War is fun. You get to blow shit up. The only problem is the whole mass death and destruction thing. By keeping war in the movies we get most of fun without the mess.

Side: Keep it on the screen
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I wouldn't say it's without the mess... I think there's a definite connection between our exceptionally violent culture and our exceptionally violent international and domestic conduct.

Side: Keep it on the screen

i finally agree with you on something! we could be in our own war flick, titles"beating the pulp out of Hgrey" :) just kidding, but war is fun. we all like explosions, don't we (except Hgrey).

Side: EXPLOSIONS

What stuff did you not agree with me on before?

Yeah war is fun & interesting. I really like all the strategy with it.

I think every country should have it's own military just for the sake of it.

Side: They are hypocrites
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
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keep it on the screen, huh?

so i guess we should just fight nazism and radical islam in movies and not in real life... because of the whole death and destruction thing.

right.

Side: Sell Their Souls
1 point

Fighting in WWII was a necessary evil. That's so obvious I assumed I didn't need to say it.

Side: Keep it on the screen
1 point

I'm pretty sure many people have a profession that conflicts with their personal lives. Why is everything you talk about biased to political stances? Conservative actors are the same way, some of them are Scientoligists too, so what?

Side: They are ACTORS - It's what they do
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Yes like there's Liberals working in the military.

I heard there's 6 times more troops that supported Obama than McCain.

I don't know much about Scientology. What does Scientology believe?

But I'm a Agnostic Libertarian.

Side: They are hypocrites

An actor's job is not necessarily to work in film's that agree with their personal beliefs...not at all. An actor's job is to bring a character to life and if he/she does that, they've done their job. They save their bully-pulpits for when events necessitate their personal beliefs to be revealed and that is exactly as it should be.

Side: They are ACTORS - It's what they do
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They're in it for the money. If I was offered millions of dollars to star in a movie about abortion but later denounced abortion, I'd honestly consider doing the movie. Now, I'm not as greedy as these movie stars, I suppose, since I wouldn't automatically do it, but we all have greed.

Side: greed
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That makes sense. Liberals are greedy hypocrites.

& they will do whatever it takes to get them money.

But why do directors hire them in the 1st place?

For example on Terminator 3 they hired Claire Danes to play Cathrine Brewster.

Claire Danes is aparrently Liberal & the main star Arnold is a Republican (I think he's actually a Libertarian. He has alot of non-Conservative stuff about him)

So why did the director hire her? There's alot of other non-Liberal actresses they could have hired.

But 1 big example is Lord of the Rings. I figured out that Ian McKellen is a gay Liberal Atheist. Lord of the Rings is a pro-war Christian movie.

Why did Peter Jackson hire him? why couldn't he hire someone else?

Yeah I know there's not really any other guy who could have played that role good but he still should have tried to hire someone else.

Side: They are hypocrites
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Is this not the same argument as saying, how can someone write a book about pro-abortion and actually be anti-abortion? I think the point here is, actors take these roles because they can, it pays good, and I'm sure they weren't reading the script and auditioning for the role while thinking about what it stands for politically.

Side: Keep it on the screen

Well I guess that makes a little sense.

Now I understand better why the actors do those roles.

But now I'm wondering why directors choose those actors to do those roles.

For example on Terminator 3 they hired Claire Danes to play Cathrine Brewster.

Well Claire Danes is a Liberal aparrently. But Arnold is a Republican (I think he is actually a Libertarian. He has alot of non-Conservative stuff about him)

So why did the director choose a Liberal to work in a Republican movie?

There's alot of other actresses they could have hired.

Now if it's because they need that particular actor to play that role because there's no others like him then that makes sense.

But what was George Lucas thinking when he made a movie saga about mass wars?

What was Brad Pitt thinking when he decided to play the mighty warrior of legend Achilles?

Side: They are hypocrites
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Yeah i too agree with that point that most of the movies like Spiderman Returnees, Batman Begins are those movies where stars may conflict between their beliefs and Indiana Jones is one of them where the star have to face so many things and remain in the controversies. Likewise same happens in Eminem 8 mile movie where he was suppose to be different from his original character.

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Side: They are ACTORS - It's what they do