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Why do people bully Srom?
Alright, I understand that this is a debate site. I know that disputes are a fundmental part of debating. There's not a problem with that.
It just seems to me like mixed in with some of the disputes directed at Srom's arguments are some personal shots. Of course all of us are guilty of doing this when we disagree with someone and they just seem too fixed in their position, however weak and unsupported it may be.
I'm being as objective as I can be, so please don't accuse me of being biased. I think its pretty clear that IN GENERAL, Srom's disputes (and Srom himself) receive more insults than just about anyone else. I just want to know why.
Another thing, what's the point in continuing to dispute and ridicule him over the same issues over and over if he's clearly shown that he won't budge from his position? Yes, unreasonable arguments necessitate clarification and correction. But to me it seems like it goes deeper than that. I may be totally wrong on this one, but this is just what I've observed over the time I've been here.
Well, I think Chuck said it best but honestly I think everyone is putting way too much thought into it... it's simple really. He annoys the f*ck out of people.
Have you read some of his posts? Like the time he copy and pasted a four or five paragraph article and claimed he wrote it himself.... even after Apollo (I think it was) found the web site that he got the entire thing from he continued to lie and say he wrote the whole thing??? The proof he didn't was right there! Some might find that annoying.
Now as for Can you justify it?
I didn't say it was justified but it is the internet... shit happens. I don't bully Srom or call him names... in fact I think it's pretty damn impressive that a 15 year old can take that much abuse and keep coming back.
Like the time he copy and pasted a four or five paragraph article and claimed he wrote it himself
I did not read that. Yes, that could annoy some people.
I didn't say it was justified but it is the internet... shit happens. I don't bully Srom or call him names... in fact I think it's pretty damn impressive that a 15 year old can take that much abuse and keep coming back.
Alright, its good to see that you accept that there is some abuse going on. It's also good that you don't contribute to it. I'm by no means trying to change the rules of the internet. But just because you can call someone a , doesn't make it necessary.
Then I'm not exactly sure what you are disputing here but anywho... I think Srom will tell you that I am respectful of people's religious beliefs even though I'm atheist.
Question? If there were a 15 year old atheist who was taking a similar amount of abuse would you have put up a debate like this for them? I know you'll say yes but I'm skeptical...
On this site, yes, but in the real world where you go to school and work, most people are Christians.
That means nearly everyone we as atheists meet, they think we will burn in hell unless we believe what they do.
Is it true? To you it is, and you are the majority usually.
Christians have made gay marriage illegal because of their moral system, which if true, is great. But if it's not true, then they are condemning people to an unhappy life simply because of a book of superstition and madness.
Same with slavery and it's justification by the Bible. Witch burning too. And the Spanish Inquisition.
All caused by religion, because religious people are generally the majority.
Atheists and non Christians receive a lot of hate in real life. If Srom can't handle it on the internet, using a device invented almost single handily by Alan Turing, a gay man who was later chemically castrated by the highly religious government of England, then he should likely leave.
I don't advocate any judgement or discrimination by humans.
I agree with you, these things are wrong. But is this really why? Retaliation? For things that Srom didn't do 500 years ago to people you don't even know?
Criticism is often mistaken for bullying. I'll agree that some people take a little too far, but Srom can handle it or he can simply log off CD and not return.
Srom is extremely frustrating. He is ignorant and lies. The lying got to me more than his ignorance, I don't take plagiarizing lightly, and then for him to continue to lie about it when the proof was all laid out for everyone to see is just disappointing.
As for his ignorance, which even if you agree with his beliefs you can see, it's something that he may or may not grow out of. And people will continue to try to make him see things in a different way, some more forceful and persistent than others. I don't see that as bullying, I see it as trying to teach someone, or at least make them more open-minded.
His beliefs have little to do with that. His ignorance at how he tries to argue about things he knows little about and then is completely oblivious to hard core evidence.
Also ignorant in the fact that he tried to lie about plagiarizing when there was proof.
Ignorance like that is not something that people just accept, it's something that makes people want to teach others.
I don't know about your arguments, but I'm sure you're more informed about things you bother to argue about than Srom.
Your beliefs do not make you ignorant, how you defend them can be.
I see. Well, thank you for agreeing that some people take it too far. Maybe he's ignorant, and it's great that people are attempting to teach him. However, all of the insults and hate have yet to be properly justified.
Actually though, I can't think of a single time someone has actually bullied srom, so it makes it hard to attempt to justify it.
Every time Srom claims someone is being mean to him, I don't see it as being mean, I see it as them trying to see things differently and Srom not liking people arguing with his beliefs.
When I said that take it too far, I mean it's a hopeless cause.
Well, I took to looking at many of his arguments, and there are a few instances of bullying. Even if you may not think what is being said is mean, doesn't make it less hurtful to him. What some consider mean, others do not. But when a particular action is really bothering someone, they have a right to ask the perpetrator to stop. Now, on the internet, that person by no means has to stop. However, it shows what kind of person they are.
People think it's not, so they won't stop. Because in their mind it's not wrong. So if Srom is so distraught over it, all he can do is leave. It's that simple. I find that most cases of bullying are easily preventable by the person being bullied, ESPECIALLY on the internet. If someone feels that they are being bullied, but won't get off the site, then that is their own problem.
No, it's pretty much JUST Srom who every once in awhile thinks he's being bullied, and evidently you. I have seen no one else actually accuse someone of bullying him.
That's a horrible attitude. IT'S YOUR FAULT YOU'RE OFFENDED, SO YOU HAVE TO LEAVE!!!
No. It's being realistic. You can't change people's minds on an opinion you have often, it's VERY rare. So instead of just sitting there and letting yourself get bullied, then walk away. Save YOURSELF and stop expecting people to do thing for your when you can take care of it yourself so simply.
Look on the other side of the debate. There's plenty of people besides me.
No. It's being realistic. You can't change people's minds on an opinion you have often, it's VERY rare. So instead of just sitting there and letting yourself get bullied, then walk away. Save YOURSELF and stop expecting people to do thing for your when you can take care of it yourself so simply.
What if he doesn't want to walk away? I'm pretty sure Andy intends to maintain an environment where everybody feels welcome, and personal attacks are not acceptable.
Actually, I don't think that's entirely true.... Andy has said that he doesn't want to moderate much of what is posted... free speech and all and I agree with him... that's part of what makes CD better than other sites. I'm not much of a name caller or personal attacker but I also don't think those things should be moderated, I came from a site that moderated everything and it was really annoying... IMHO
No, from everything I've experienced, Andy does not tolerate personal attacks. I was once involved in a fierce controversy with another user, and Andy eventually messaged us both telling us that "Personal attacks are not tolerated." That seems pretty straightforward to me. I have no problem with free speech, but this has really been grinding my gears. No one has to listen to me either, I'm just trying to better understand the whole situation.
Yeah my bad. I kind of thought this was pointless to continue, then I thought Hey! I don't want to give you the last word! so I asked a stupid, irrelevant question I know the answer to...LOL
No problem... so let me ask you this.... You've been on here for a very long time but never posted much, however, all of a sudden you change your profile picture and are posting all over the place? It's none of my business and it doesn't matter... anyone using CD more makes me happy I was just curious if there was some reason why the sudden change?
Well, back in the day I was actually in a position like Srom's. In nearly every debate I participated in, I was fiercely outnumbered and it was a bit overwhelming. Just knowing that nearly everything I said would be extremely unpopular and most likely ridiculed eventually seemed really unattractive for me, so I just stopped for a while.
But I've come back and now it really doesn't bother me anymore. Yeah...not much of a story. School has also limited my activity somewhat.
Actually Asherman is the only other person who full out agrees with that. The others are either indifferent, or think Srom needs to learn more before debating.
What if he doesn't want to walk away?
Then it's his problem to deal with the "bullying". Simple as that.
I'm pretty sure Andy intends to maintain an environment where everybody feels welcome, and personal attacks are not acceptable.
Obviously Andy doesn't agree with the fact that people are bullying him then. Because you're right, Andy does not welcome unnecessary attacks. Due to the fact that I trust and respect Andy completely, and he hasn't done anything about it, then the situation is not that serious.
Then it's his problem to deal with the "bullying". Simple as that.
Well, I guess that's reasonable, but I'm begging the question of individuals' moralities.
Obviously Andy doesn't agree with the fact that people are bullying him then. Because you're right, Andy does not welcome unnecessary attacks. Due to the fact that I trust and respect Andy completely, and he hasn't done anything about it, then the situation is not that serious.
This is because I don't think Srom has talked to Andy about it. Things like this can go unnoticed, especially is there is no visible objection.
Well, I guess that's reasonable, but I'm begging the question of individuals' moralities.
Morality is a different debate completely. People don't share the same morals. You have to accept that. What someone considers moral another will not.
This is because I don't think Srom has talked to Andy about it. Things like this can go unnoticed, especially is there is no visible objection.
Then once again, this is Srom's problem. He needs to be able to help himself. If he wants Andy to do something then he should let Andy know. Andy can't see everything that goes on on the site.
Morality is a different debate completely. People don't share the same morals. You have to accept that. What someone considers moral another will not.
Actually, this was one of the intents of this debate. Most morals are universal. I'm trying to figure out everyone's morals, that's one reason for this debate.
Then once again, this is Srom's problem. He needs to be able to help himself. If he wants Andy to do something then he should let Andy know. Andy can't see everything that goes on on the site.
Alright, I agree it's Srom's 'problem.' However, I also have a problem with it. Despite not being asked for help, I created this debate in an attempt to defend him. He graciously thanked me, proving that he isn't unwanting of outside help.
You won't get what you want out of a debate by being subtle.
Then you talk to him about what he wants to be done. But keep in mind your attention towards him will go to his head I believe. Not necessarily a bad thing, I'm just saying.
I got exactly what I wanted out of this debate. I did talk to him, rather extensively. I actually think the situation has improved some, so I appreciate you and everyone else who gave this debate their attention.
Tell me, in proper debate how effective is it to label people so that it put's you above others? It draws attention away from the subject and onto the opponent. I guess you could in a way say that it's effective in making somebody really look dumb. But that leads us to the ever important question of: "what is our goal in debate?". So I don't know what the goal might be for giving somebody a hard time but I doubt that it is to learn and or inform (the eternal cop out) as would be in a healthy debate.
Call it bullying or whatever but it doesn't make you look like a very good debater.
I don't understand what you're saying. Are you accusing me of putting Srom below his accused "bullyers"? If so, you should point out that my argument really holds both groups in a small amount of contempt.
I think I was very clear. You're putting people into categories of smart and dumb. I'm saying that's not very nice and doesn't belong in a proper debate. Especially without reason or evidence.
No, and straw manning my argument isn't "very nice" either.
I said that Srom was ignorant. If you have read more than 10 of his posts, you will know this to be true. I didn't say whether he was dumb or not, simply that he is ignorant.
I also said that his purported "bulliers" are pointlessly angry. Because this is the internet, and there's really no point getting worked up over someone you'll likely never meet. I also said that they were smart, because in general, this site contains people of an above average intelligence.
There's your reasoning, if you want evidence, I'd be more than happy to give it to you.
Yes, we don't just mock Srom. That would be childish and pointless.
We are VERY thorough when we debate him. Nearly every line he says is often picked apart by someone.
Srom is a big target because he likely represents everything that an atheist who was once a Christian dislikes.
Close minded, obsessed with the Bible, thinks all who don't believe will burn and suffer forever.
No matter how mean we are to Srom, I do not think any atheist is going to expect him to burn and hurt forever in hell.
Srom actually does think that. He strongly believes and likely hopes that all who oppose him, "Heathens" will burn in hell forever.
Not only that, but there is quite a bit of history. For centuries, Christianity has been the dominant force in culture and society. This website is likely one of the only places where there is a slight atheist majority. For once, atheists and people interested in science can't be killed or jailed by the church, so we will use this opportunity, at least subconsciously, to debate and logically destroy religious people, for words are much more effective, and quite a bit less painful than the swords that the Crusaders used, the bombs Jihadists use and clubs and bows and other weapons of the holy wars and the more violent missionaries of the past.
Really? So religious people today are responsible for things that happened hundreds of years ago that they might not even support? This is a pretty lame excuse.
Either way, if religious people could, at least Christians, most would want everyone to also be Christian, as many Christians just on this website have stated.
That means severe loss of rights and freedoms for those unwilling to follow Christian laws.
This is how it was in the past, and so we will debate so it does not happen again.
Either way, if religious people could, at least Christians, most would want everyone to also be Christian, as many Christians just on this website have stated.
I would have to agree, most Christians do want everyone to be Christian.
That means severe loss of rights and freedoms for those unwilling to follow Christian laws.
Doesn't mean that at all. Not all Christians want to take away people's rights and freedoms. Imposing your beliefs on another who is not interested is not right. Not all Christians think this way.
This is how it was in the past, and so we will debate so it does not happen again.
Very true. Sadly he himself doesn't realize it. Or does deep down and rejects it, as he said it makes his head hurt - seeing people challenging his current beliefs with rational thinking and logic.
This is a debate site. He just spews religious bullshit. If he doesn't like the criticism then stay off a site that wasn't meant for kids or his religious crap.
What he said was true. Srom literally spews religious BS.
If you, a closed-minded person, hate people who challenge your beliefs merely because they do it with evidence, logic, and rational thinking then you had better leave and never come back. You do not belong here. This is a debate site, not "repeat over and over and over with no end" site without thinking whether you are right or not, simply because you "believe".
The atheistic people here only show the stupidity of religion and people like you are the hateful ones with ignorant and irrational comments. Atheistic people hate your stupid and irrational beliefs (most anyway).
No wonder why you are like this, religion is fading, slowly - you feel threatened. You should instead embrace the truth that you are wrong.
Exactly. Being close minded is ok when it comes down to facts. Like 2+2=4. That is fact. Im not going to keep an open mind and say "Well its probably 4 but im keeping my mind open to the posibilities", No! 2+2=4! End of story! With philosophy and such you can keep an open mind sure, because those questions have no right or wrong answer, its just brainstorming. Im sorry that id rather keep my mind closed in the realm of logic, facts, rational thinking, science, ect, and not open it (or re-open in my case) to silly fairytales and irrational beliefs.
Im close minded because i see fact when its right in front of me? Every piece of religious bullcrap you spew is ignorant and worthless. You as well as countless other people on this DEBATE site dont even DEBATE. You just whine and critisize others arguments while failing to give any rebuttal at all.
This. If religion was something new and there was only ONE religion, I might think, maybe half the world is right.
But that's not how it is. There are lots of religions, lots of different sects even within Christianity, and nearly all of them disagree with each other, even enough to cause war, as it did in Ireland and England. Even now, I remember when I told my creationist friend I used to be catholic, he had said it was good that I had left Catholicism, because in his mind, they were wrong. He thought only his religion was right.
I feel that both are wrong, and I back it up with evidence about how the universe works. Despite all the evidence being very scattered, such as the fact that stars exist, I mean, just looking at stars doesn't really prove anything, but when you connect that with the fact that stars create elements, such as the elements needed for life, it begins to feel more like the Earth and universe is composed of natural processes, rather than magical beings that tell people what to do.
Of course, just that alone isn't enough to make one an atheist, but combining that with everything else you learn throughout life, if one is interested in such things, does lead one to think perhaps religion is wrong.
And then we read what Srom says. We think "Well, I'm trying to think logically about religion and find out what's true. And this guy? He was taught to believe, and now he believes very strongly and won't accept anything other than what he already believes. Now, I used to be religious (at least a lot of atheists were born in religious families), so I know what it's like to believe in stuff. Now I've done research and found out that gods likely do not exist. Likely enough to have a very solid and logical debate."
And Srom and other very religious people do not care. They believe because they believe because they believe. What is logical or true does not actually matter, they do not care if what they believe is true or not, so they will ignore logic and contradictions, which is fine if you wish to be close minded. Many people are that way.
But on a debate site, that is crossing the line from being a person who is fun to debate with, to being a close minded person who is only on this website to convert you, rather than debate you.
"You as well as countless other people on this DEBATE site dont even DEBATE. You just whine and critisize others arguments while failing to give any rebuttal at all."
A bit like you have been doing all over this debate about wether Srom is bullied or not, smells a lot like hypocrisy to me
K im not saying stupidity deserves criticism because srom is far from stupid and he's a nice guy <3 You can take it from srom we rarely agree on anything yet i still back my statement. I do however believe that just because he's a kid (I'm fifteen, i think srom is also) doesn't mean he shouldn't take criticism. This is a debating site so I'm aloud to say your a dumass for having beliefs conflicting with mine. If anyone PERSONALLY goes after srom thats a different story. Ive mostly just seen teasing and disagreeing aggressively but if you have the links prove me wrong.
Srom receives more 'hate' than anyone else not because his arguments are more irrational (not saying they aren't irrational, but he's not the worst), but because he makes unintelligent remarks, big claims, and refuses to accept any critique of his own opinions, despite the lack of proof for them.
None of these actions deserve the discrimination and hate that he receives, but it does explain it, to some extent.
yeah i think what we find is on a debate sight you have a lot of passionate people and when you have guys like srom using the bible as evidence of god people get riled up. don't take it personally as mentioned above this is the internet and there are no boundaries.
I dont agree with a lot of what Srom says but then that's why we're here there have been a few time's when people have just been nasty to him though and that's wrong, i've even stood up for him when i've felt people are being out of order, debate him fine but to attack him and give him abuse for being a Christian to me is the same as attacking someone for the colour of their skin,
Well I haven't really looked into srom that much but I know that he's generally disliked. Either he's just really good at pushing peoples buttons or perhaps there are those who feel threatened.
I don't know but I think it's safe to say he might be Christian?? Just a shot in the dark.
I know what it's like to have lots of people mad at you though, there was a bunch of down voting controversy back in the day. But I was being kind of a jerk lol
I don't necessarily agree with either off these options, but I don't agree with bullying him even more than this option.
This is a debate site. We need opposing debaters to appropriately debate. Bullying serves no productive purpose on a debate site. Whether you like someone or dislike them is completely irrelevant to the validity in the debate. It has nothing to do with age and shouldn't have to do with bullying.
I feel like people should stop the personal shots and stick to the argument. Srom literally never insults anybody unless he is being severely verbally abused.
I thank you Troy for your concern about how sometimes people on this site can go too far on this site most people attack my beliefs but it is kind of getting old people doing this.
...Srom, it's a fucking debate site. If you never want your beliefs to get challenged, why the hell are you even on here...
I mean... seriously, why are you on here? To attempt to convert others to your religious beliefs. Or to just use "I'm right" statements and damn other people to Hell?
Look at the name of the site: "Createdebate." Do you... do you come on here expecting that your ridiculous belief won't be challenged?
Okay... damn... Now I'm feeling all guilty for having typed this... Don't take this too hard, Srom...
Calm down dude, I know its a debate site. Why am I on here you ask well I don't know why I am on here really. I sometimes like to debate and sometimes I don't. I have mixed feeling on here. Sometimes I am willing to take a challenge sometimes I don't. I am not trying to covert anyone.
Its fine dude if you feel guilty we all feel guilty sometimes for what we say and what we do man its fine.
If someone makes posts on open forums on the internet, they need to have a thick skin, especially if they're going to make wild claims, ritualistically use copypasta and use the sort of reasoning so circular that would make a mobius strip look like a straight line
You know its not going to get better or stop when you do this right?
Why should anyone care or why should someone on here get special treatment?
I respect that srom is a young guy, and for his age he seems like a smart enough kid, but there are other on here that are the same age and can hold their own Apollo and Chuck to name two, should we pussy foot around these formidable young minds too because they're "Just kids"
I wasn't talking about MasterKage's post being slanderous. Seriously, look up almost any religion debate and you'll see Srom being called retarded, insane, etc.
Can you not understand this, "It's obvious if you read his arguments (assuming you can be objective), there's very little sane about them."?
You are prejudiced by your religion. You don't seem to be able to see nonsense, at least as long as it is religious nonsense, and take it as reality. Nothing new to me, I've already met some like persons.
Being religious is basically being insane, mentally unstable, delusional, or anything similar. Religious people vary in degrees so they all apply, most prominently it's delusions. You are no exception. One literally cannot be not delusional if is religious.
You may not like what I said, I do not care, I do not lie about things like this. Like it or not, it won't change the fact that you are also delusional. You do know what a delusion is? I'm fairly certain you do. It's your job to realize how wrong you are and correct yourself. I'm simply saying what you have hard time grasping, without softening anything - cold hard truth straight up.
And srom. If he's not insane then he definitely is not far from it. He has very strong delusions.
Well, I appreciate your concern. I really do. But believe or not, not all religious people are crazy. Hard for your closed mind to see, but it's true. Besides, if you aren't hurting anyone, what's wrong with it?
But anyway, we're going onto a different tangent here. The point is, even if he is insane, how does that justify your insults? Aren't those that are mentally unstable less able to control their actions and thoughts than those that aren't? Are you one of those kids that insults mentally retarded people? That's sick.
But believe or not, not all religious people are crazy.
Never said they are. I said most are delusional (actually that all are, and with various degrees), not crazy.
Hard for your closed mind to see, but it's true.
How is my mind closed if you are the one shutting out reality? How is my mind closed if I recognize nonsense while you don't?
The point is, even if he is insane, how does that justify your insults?
My insults? I don't care if you or anyone else took them as insults, I simply concluded what I observed from his arguments.
Aren't those that are mentally unstable less able to control their actions and thoughts than those that aren't?
I take this was directed toward me. I can control myself very easily, but why should I if there is no need? I take things freely. If you cannot handle what someone says then that's your problem (assuming the sayer is not doing it for the purpose of abuse).
Are you one of those kids that insults mentally retarded people? That's sick.
First thing, I'm not a kid. Second, why should I waste my time insulting retarded people?
Never said they are. I said most are delusional (actually that all are, and with various degrees), not crazy.
Alright, let me rephrase that: Believe it or not, not all religious people are delusional.
How is my mind closed if you are the one shutting out reality? How is my mind closed if I recognize nonsense while you don't?
Why is this about me all of a sudden? Is it possible for you to reply without immediately trying to enforce your idea "Christianity is nonsense"? I think you're in the wrong thread.
My insults? I don't care if you or anyone else took them as insults, I simply concluded what I observed from his arguments.
Oh right right. So your perceptions are the most important? I see.
I take this was directed toward me. I can control myself very easily, but why should I if there is no need? I take things freely. If you cannot handle what someone says then that's your problem (assuming the sayer is not doing it for the purpose of abuse).
I said this because you basically said it's because Srom is insane that people insult him. Somewhere above, you said: "Can you really not see or understand why? It's obvious if you read his arguments (assuming you can be objective), there's very little sane about them."
Insulting someone because they're insane should not be a legitimate reason. In fact, most would agree that this is even worse than insulting a sane person, because they have complete control of their actions.
First thing, I'm not a kid.
Alright, understood. I made an assumption, I'm sorry.
Second, why should I waste my time insulting retarded people?
You tell me. This is what you admittedly are doing.
Alright, let me rephrase that: Believe it or not, not all religious people are delusional.
Delusional means having false beliefs or opinions. Religion is based on, well, magic and things that literally have no proof of any kind (God as being the basis of it all). That means if someone takes what religion says as real they are delusional. So yeah, one has to be delusional to be religious.
Why is this about me all of a sudden?
'Cause you said I am closed-minded.
Is it possible for you to reply without immediately trying to enforce your idea "Christianity is nonsense"?
It's not just my opinion, there are very many others. If you can look at Christianity objectively you'll notice that it is in fact nonsense.
I think you're in the wrong thread.
I simply refuted you, giving explanations for my argument. Isn't that what debating is about?
You said. "Just because someone believes in Christianity doesn't make them insane." That's where all this began.
Oh right right. So your perceptions are the most important? I see.
Ain't that, just nice. You don't like if someone makes objective conclusions?
Insulting someone because they're insane should not be a legitimate reason. In fact, most would agree that this is even worse than insulting a sane person, because they have complete control of their actions.
In what way was that insulting? It was saying how it is, not insulting. There's a difference. If someone is offended by truth then that's their problem.
If srom indeed is not sane then he has no business being here in the first place. I will not treat anyone with special respect, definitely not around here. I base it on how they show themselves as, and srom shows himself as a delusional idiot on the edge on insanity (well, definitely very strongly delusional). And he has no interest in learning anything, he simply repeats what has been brainwashed into him with his own developed twist.
You tell me. This is what you admittedly are doing.
So, you think srom is retarded?
First it was simply that his arguments were stupid. As he did not learn and kept repeating them in countless debates it became clear that he indeed has severe mental issues. And as I said, I don't treat people with special regard. Someone like srom shouldn't even be here, if he is then he has to take into account that at least some people will reply very strongly to his nonsense, even more so if he doesn't learn at all over a long period.
He was supposed to leave this site many times, as he himself has said, yet hasn't, and look at what that has caused.
All he does is piss people off. But I have to admit, there is quite a bit of entertainment in it.
It's the Internet. There's no "too far". This is reality. Grow a set and suck it up, or better yet LISTEN. Ask yourself, WHY do I get criticized? Then either fix it or get lost. Were not gonna censor ourselves for you. Grow up or get out, take your pick.
That's the problem with the internet, just because people feel a relative amount of anonymity, they feel they can say whatever they like no matter who's feelins could be hurt.
"Grow a set and suck it up, or better yet LISTEN. Ask yourself, WHY do I get criticized? Then either fix it or get lost. Were not gonna censor ourselves for you. Grow up or get out, take your pick."
If I said something racsit, sexist or extremely rude in real life I would probably be arrested, why should the internet be any different?
That's the problem with the internet, just because people feel a relative amount of anonymity, they feel they can say whatever they like no matter who's feelins could be hurt.
You see it as a problem, I see it as a freedom.
If I said something racsit, sexist or extremely rude in real life I would probably be arrested, why should the internet be any different?
Nobody is going to arrest you for saying anything, free speech is a right, policing the internet will do far more harm than good, it is the last bastion of free speech in any media.
Racism is not a form of freedom in itself obviously it is a form od repression but freedom of speech is a freedom and like the old saying goes "while I dont agree with you I will defend to the death your right to say it" (this may not be an exact quote!!). Yes on the Internet you do have total freedom of speech this is a good thing most of the time but the problem arises when people use the anonymity of the internet to say things to others that they would'nt in reality, just because the internet gives you the freedom to be abusive it does not meen it is right to be abusive. I always ask myself would I say that to someone in the Pub, if the answer is no then normally I wont say it on the internet
I realised that as I was typing, I started thinking I disputed what you said but as I typed realised I was agreeing rather than disputing I thought I had changed the view before I posted it, my bad i'll try and fix it thanks for pointing it out
I went to change it but says I am supporting your argument even though on the thread it says I am disputing maybe you can change it on your argument for the points etc but it does'nt change what the thread says
Are you stupid? I couldnt give less of a shit whose "feelings are hurt" im not going to censor myself or leave something out so you feel better. Dont come on this site if you're not ready for ridicule ESPECIALLY if you're gonna come defending something absurd like christianity. Also, if you said something rude it would be free speech and protected under the first ammendment unless you were disturbing the peace. The internet has no constitution. If you're not a big boy and ready for the internet STAY OFF IT.
Pah, what do you know? You're a stupid,fat american who has no idea of the real world. You're so ridiculously stupid that you became an atheist just so you have a reason to say you're better than most of the population, which you are not.
You also assume (because of your stupid ignorance) that the "first amendmant" applies to the rest of the world. Well it doesn't. The crappy american constitution only applies in (guess where) america.
Aren't you accusing Srom of doing pretty much the same thing you are? You already are going into every debate with the unchangeable perception of how Christianity is so stupid.
I understand under law there's nothing to prevent you from cussing him off, but why do it? It just makes you look very aggressive and mean, while Srom is always friendly in his arguments.
This is not the most intelligent debate I have ever seen, come on Dude your just making yourself look like a bully. Most people come on here for a debate that's what this site is all about (the hints in the name), if someone like Srom wants to debate Christianity then fine that does not meen it's fine for someone like you to ridicule him for it, Srom probably find's your beliefs absurd (remember everyones beliefs are absurd to the outsider looking on) but at the same time that does not make it fine for him to ridicule you, ridiculing and insulting people is not intelligent debating.
The constitution may say you have the right to Freedom Of Speech but try using it and see how far you get, the Govenment and the Religous Right in the US have tried many times to censor and bully people who tried to use their right to Freedom Of Speech because they did'nt like what was being said
What do you mean by too far? You mean with regards to being arrested? Just because you have the freedom to do something, does not make it right or give you the obligation to do it. This is a poor reason.
Grow a set and suck it up, or better yet LISTEN.
Yes, because you yourself can't change your inappropriate behavior, he must adjust to it. Seems legit.
Ask yourself, WHY do I get criticized?
Better yet, ask you, WHY do you criticize?
Then either fix it or get lost.
So you are advocating for the freedom of the internet, yet you believe you have the authority to order someone to abandon their freedoms? Please.
Were not gonna censor ourselves for you.
You don't have to. If that's the kind of person you are, who are we to try to shape your morality?
Grow up or get out, take your pick.
He doesn't have to do either. According to your logic, there's nothing "too far" on the internet. His actions seem pretty benign compared to yours.
Boy am I getting popular on here! Most people on here attack my beliefs rather than bullying me. Also sometimes they even say a lot of things that are delusional but I don't mind that because Jesus was treated the same way so its no surprise that they are treating me like this.
And you're back to your old self... that's a bad thing, by thew way.
Proof of Jesass and everything he is claimed to be and claimed to have gone through? And remember, you may not use the bible to prove what originates from the bible. Can you prove a theory by using what the theory says? No, you can't.
I am not going to listen to you when you say I can't use the Bible. I will use the Bible regardless if you say I can't use it or not I will continue to use it and you can't tell me what to do.
It's so awful that, on this site, when a teenager compares himself to Jesus, the hackles raise on the average user's back in response not to the naked hubris of such a statement, but to the historicity of such a character. Christ. (Pun fucking intended. Ugh.)
There's a reason so many on this site are actively against religion and its bullshit. Especially if someone, like srom, claims something very stupid based on religious crap.
I am not comparing myself to Jesus. Jesus was a lot better than I am and He was perfect but you and I are not perfect but we can try to be perfect but we aren't.
