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Why do you believe in a deity? (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc.)
Why is it that without any clear mention of proof, that many are so quick to believe in a deity? Is it solely in hopes of there being an afterlife, or that one needs a reason to explain the inexplicable in one's life? Why is it so easily believed despite being an extremely questionable topic?
All 3 of these religions are in Biblical prophesy.
The fact is prophesies specific to the Bible have come true with precision and accuracy.
I'm not exactly sure how people question God or the Bible.
I guess all the prophesies about "Deceptions" and "having foolish hearts darkened," and Him "pouring out darkness so people can't see" is also fulfilled with precision and accuracy!
If you don't want to know He won't show you, and if you want to know and you are not willing to follow what He shows you, He let's you stay blind, it's actually judgement to have God's Word hidden from you.
Dan 12
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.
10 Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.
11 From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
12 How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days! 13 But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age.”
Thanks for proving my point that most of you guys believe in your gods only because you were indoctrinated to do so, and not for anything tangible he has ever done in your life.
Have you ever prayed to your god to help you sell more houses? Is there a patron Saint of Realtors? LOL
How do explain prophesies that came true to details that are outside of reasonable coincidence. Not once or even twice, regularly, it defined the selectively as a people.
There is nothing to explain, as there has never been ANY bible prophecies that have irrefutable been borne out. If you dispute this please give me an example of how I am wrong.
I really really hope you don't go to 2nd Isiah here. As that is VERY controversial. That is, the Suffering Servant passages. Many bible scholars believe Ike was referring to the nation of Israel and NOT Jesus.
Anyway...I will be waiting your examples of indisputable bible prophecies which came true.
The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world.
This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13).
Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 15th power.)
In Daniel 2:32-33, there is a prophetic passage that symbolically identified the four great kingdoms that would rise up and control much of world, beginning in Daniel's lifetime. The passage uses symbolic imagery:
1. The head of gold, as Daniel explained, refers to the Babylonian Empire that ruled much of the world about 2600 years ago.
2. Daniel said that the head-of-gold empire would be followed by an empire symbolized by arms of silver. Christian scholars have often interpreted this to refer to the Medo-Persian Empire which later conquered the Babylonian Empire. The scholars say that the two arms refer to the two groups - the Medes and the Persians - who comprised the Medo-Persian Empire.
3. The third kingdom was symbolized by the statue's belly and thighs of brass. Some scholars believe that this is a reference to the Grecian Empire, which conquered the Medo-Persian Empire. The symbol of a belly and thighs of brass suggests that the kingdom was to start out as a united empire but end up as a divided empire. Under the leadership of Alexander the Great, the Grecian Empire was a united empire. But after Alexander's death, the empire was divided up.
4. The fourth symbol - that of iron legs and feet that were part iron and part clay - has often been suggested to be a reference to the Roman Empire, which later conquered the Grecian Empire.
These four kingdoms ruled over much of the world, and each of the four ruled over the land of Israel during times in which a significant number of Jews - and perhaps a majority of Jews - were living in their homeland.
Before the collapse of the Roman Empire, Jerusalem was destroyed and hundreds of thousands of Jews were forced into exile. Even today, a majority of Jews live outside of Israel.
Daniel 2:32-33 (NIV):
32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.
Inclusion of Facts That Only the Contemporaries of Jesus Would Have Known
We will confine our discussion to Luke and John, since these Gospels are the most generous in noting historical and geographical details.
As we said earlier, the Gospel of Luke was originally combined with Acts in a single work. The author, Luke the physician, was a careful and conscientious historian.
The accuracy of Acts led one eminent archaeologist at the turn of the century—Sir William Ramsay—to become a believer in Christ. Through his extensive excavations in Asia Minor, Ramsay himself made many discoveries showing the historical reliability of Acts. Ramsay concluded, Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy; he is possessed of the true historic sense; he fixes his mind on the idea and plan that rules in the evolution of history; and proportions the scale of his treatment to the importance of each incident (6).
One of many striking confirmations of Luke's accuracy is his use of titles. The many titles that he brings into his narrative would, if he were careless or uninformed, most certainly give rise to errors.
He notes that when pagan opponents of Christianity rioted in Ephesus, there was more than one proconsul of Asia (Acts 19:38).
Sergius Paullus appears in Luke's history as "proconsul of Cyprus" (Acts 13:7) and Gallio as "proconsul of Achaia" (Acts 18:12), although the province was ordinarily known as Greece.
The local authorities in Ephesus are "Asiarchs" (Acts 19:31). The magistrates of Philippi are "praetors" and their assistants "lictors" (Acts 16:20, 35), but the magistrates of Thessalonica are "politarchs" (Acts 17:6).
The chief official of Malta is protos—first man of the island (Acts 28:7). Herod Antipas, known to his subjects as a king, is designated a "tetrarch" (Luke 3:1).
And Lysanias is called "tetrarch of Abilene" (Luke 3:1). All these names and titles have been verified as correct, in some instances by archaeological discoveries within the last century (7).
Luke's accuracy is all the more remarkable when we consider the difficulty of his task. Roman political titles were in a constant state of flux. Moreover, a writer in antiquity could not check his facts by going to a local library.
Perhaps the most interesting book ever written on the historicity of Acts is James Smith's The Voyage and Shipwreck of Saint Paul, first published in 1848. Smith, himself a skilled mariner who retraced Paul's voyage from Jerusalem to Rome, showed that Luke's account of this voyage must be altogether authentic, for the writer is accurate in his use of nautical terms, and the events he relates correspond perfectly to ancient sailing methods, the capacities of ancient ships, and the conditions of wind and weather in the Mediterranean (8).
The only reasonable conclusions are (1) that the Book of Acts must have been written by an eyewitness of the events he reports, and (2) that the author was a stickler for accuracy. According to the traditional view that the author was Luke, the accuracy of the narrative is easily explained.
The writer was an eyewitness of most events following chapter 16, and for prior events he took his account from the lips of Paul. If Luke is a trustworthy historian in the Book of Acts, he must also be a trustworthy historian in the Gospel bearing his name.
For the prophesy below to have come true, God would have had to have fulfilled three prophesies to match history! -
TO LINE UP WITH HISTORIC ACCURACY, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE OTHER PROPHESIES ON WHICH THIS PROPHESY BELOW DEPENDS.
SO THREE PROPHESIES HAD TO BE ACCURATE FOR THIS, NOT JUST ONE!!!
2 OTHER Bible Prophesies,
1 -to scatter them to all the Nations, and 2 - then bring the Jews back from all the Nations He had scattered them, which are also other detailed prophesied! And bringing them back was fullfilled after ww2. .. ... Thousands of years after these prophesies!
Coincidence? Or is this inaccurate?
Was Terrorism a Biblical Prophesy?
Was the Middle East Crisis a Biblical Prophesy?
How many points can we accumulate for -
Bible Truth or Bible Lie?
It almost seems if it weren't for Israel life wouldn't be quite as disturbed. How is it that 4000 years of these people who really didn't bring much on themselves historically, are the matter that brings TREMBLING (OR TERROR!!!) To the door of EVERY Nation? Has Israel been a burden to lift? When lifting Israel
have those Nations face Trembling, and being cut into pieces?
How did the Bible know Nations would lift Israel? What Nations back then lifted other Nations?
Accurate prophesy?
BIBLE PROPHESY
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of TREMBLING unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of
the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle
This is as compelling as stringing 3 cells together!
This is evidence to consider.
And there are 2000 of these already fulfilled!
500 more to be fulfilled!
So in 6000 years 75 % of Bible Prophesies have been fulfilled.
With 25 % left to fulfill, some of which are in process or have credible documentation that it is likely to fulfill, and some even have natural characteristics that allow it to be fulfilled confirmed by scientific conditions that could actually occur with physical characteristics in support of its possibility.
Maybe the evidence shows there is a Divine Intruder afterall....
It is not likely and is not usual - as a matter of fact it is HIGHLY unlikely and EXTREMELY unusual!!
Here is part of the historical event of Steven's Martyrdom
Notice his stoners coats were laid at Saul's feet.
Saul after murdering Christiand, has an unusual transformation and personally experienced an encounter with the Risen Jesus.
Saul goes from killing them to the greatest winner of souls. And by those actions fullfills PROPHESY!! And his dramatic conversion pushes the gospel out from his own countrymen to Gentiles, (other Nation other than Israel) and is well know even from those he was in league with while severely persecuting Christians.
Matt 24
14“This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Isaiah 11
10 "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, who shall stand as a banner to the people; for the Gentiles shall seek Him, and His resting place shall be glorious."
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So like it, or not this IS reasonable evidence, and along with 2000 prophesies that have already been fulfilled in detail!
With only 500 to go, and some of those are in process!
Evidence FOR GOD is mounting!!!
Stephen was martyred as murders placed their coats at Saul's feet.
SAUL Later became PAUL, and went on to become a valiant Appostle of the faith he was a murderer in war against Christians!
What changed?
Acts 7
51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. 52 Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become; 53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”
54 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him. 55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one impulse. 58 When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep.
For the prophesy below to have come true, God would have had to have fulfilled
2 OTHER Bible Prophesies,
1 -to scatter them to all the Nations, and 2 - then bring the Jews back from all the Nations He had scattered them, which are also other detailed prophesied! And bringing them back was fullfilled after ww2. .. ... Thousands of years after these prophesies!
Coincidence? Or is this inaccurate?
Was Terrorism a Biblical Prophesy?
Was the Middle East Crisis a Biblical Prophesy?
How many points can we accumulate for -
Bible Truth or Bible Lie?
It almost seems if it weren't for Israel life wouldn't be quite as disturbed. How is it that 4000 years of these people who really didn't bring much on themselves historically, are the matter that brings TREMBLING (OR TERROR!!!) To the door of EVERY Nation? Has Israel been a burden to lift? When lifting Israel
have those Nations face Trembling, and being cut into pieces?
How did the Bible know Nations would lift Israel? What Nations back then lifted other Nations?
Accurate prophesy?
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of TREMBLING unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of
the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle
10 At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)
7 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.
38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
You know what crazy, I just gave you a very clear example without even trying, yet that's how blind people are.
The Pharisees were people who memorized the law and the prophets, all Jews did, but especially the religious leaders!
And God told of the Messiah, and they were aware He was coming.
So its not like He surprised them. He didn't hide it then spring it on them, expecting them to be aware without knowing what exactly to look for.
INSTEAD, God wrote and wrote and wrote detail after detail after detail. Explaining everything they needed to know, in order to recognise Him.
But the 1 thing they failed to do was to guard their hearts, and prepare for The visitation of the Messiah they had been told about!
So God told them exactly where He would be born, in whose decendants line, God gave physical details to a T, and told them exactly what He would be doing, and His ultamately end on the cross, and of His Resurection. He told them of His trial, Judas' betrayal, every detail down to His tomb! He even said they would reject Him and kill Him, and scoff and mock.
Now one pharasee wasn't blinded, Nicodemus, and He followed Jesus. All the others, you would think that at some point over the 3.5 years He was in their very faces, under their noses, and out in the open with every detail, you would think after a few months, or maybe a year, they'd say hey, we had this memorized and Jesus looks like everything we knew to look for!
You'd think at least when they got to the trials they would have made SOME KIND OF A CONNECTION! HOW COULD THEY BE THAT BLIND???
Because God sent Jesus to a people whose hearts were darkened, and they couldn't see. And by doing so The Gospel went through all the World to every Nation, and As it is written Abraham through the Seed of Promise, has become a Father to Many Nations. Through promise!
So I think it interesting, you say show me, and I did by not even intending to answer, and like those blind pharasees you also just might choose to stay blind also!
You know what crazy, I just gave you a very clear example without even trying, yet that's how blind people are.
You don't have a fucking clue what the word precise means then.
The Pharisees were people who memorized the law and the prophets, all Jews did, but especially the religious leaders!
My apologies, you have no idea what prophecy means.
And God told of the Messiah, and they were aware He was coming.
Jesus has not fulfilled the prophecy of the Messiah yet.
So its not like He surprised them. He didn't hide it then spring it on them, expecting them to be aware without knowing what exactly to look for.
There have been hundreds of possible Messiahs that turned out to be fake just like Jesus.
INSTEAD, God wrote and wrote and wrote detail after detail after detail. Explaining everything they needed to know, in order to recognise Him.
Jesus isn't even the most accurate portrayal of the Messiah prophecy.
So God told them exactly where He would be born, in whose decendants line, God gave physical details to a T, and told them exactly what He would be doing, and His ultamately end on the cross, and of His Resurection. He told them of His trial, Judas' betrayal, every detail down to His tomb! He even said they would reject Him and kill Him, and scoff and mock.
And that he would save the Jews. crickets
You'd think at least when they got to the trials they would have made SOME KIND OF A CONNECTION! HOW COULD THEY BE THAT BLIND???
Because the Messiah is supposed to save all the Jews!!!!!!!!!!!
So I think it interesting, you say show me, and I did by not even intending to answer, and like those blind pharasees you also just might choose to stay blind also!
Actually, by not answering you did give the most precise prophecy in the Bible ... nothing.
He didn't give vague prophesies, He gave precise prophesies.
And I don't care if He spelled it out with a time stamp, If your heart has the lights out, it doesn't matter, you still won't be able to see and understand it. He hides it, He covers it so it looks vague.
And its like explaining skyscrapers to a remote tribe in Africa.
No matter what, you can't see if your heart is set on darkness!
It is a cup of judgement in His hand, and you'll stumble like a drunk at noon day, and He will smite you with confusion so Nothing in front of you makes sense no matter how precise it is.
It's not a communication problem from God, it's an understanding problem within your heart, because your heart chooses it, He fills you with it! And your drinking it, and will drink it till it's too late, if you don't repent, and turn your heart to Him!
It's the choice of the attitude of your heart before Him
If you want God to show you then you have to seek Him with All your heart!
9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened.
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23 And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
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26 Jesus answered them and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”
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13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
The Revelations of God are for the children of God.
If you want to see you must count the cost, and be willing to give your darkness up, and let Jesus in, so the Spirit can do a new thing in you, to be Born Again of the Spirit, Washed in the Blood of the Lamb.
33 With many such parables He was speaking the word to them, so far as they were able to hear it; 34 and He did not speak to them without a parable; but He was explaining everything privately to His own disciples.
Luke 10:22
All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”
Luke 10:21
At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said, “I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.
My point is I believe in God, The Deity because Biblical prophesies and His Word confirm that there was not just a Divine hand in Creation, but Also in progression through history of 6000 years.
All 3 of these groups you mention are in Biblical prophesy.
They all have a part to play, and they have all unfolded under the prophetic guidance of the Deity that created us.
There is one people of God, and they will all be one people under the Head of His Church, and that is the Messiah Jesus.
Muslims are welcome to also make Jesus their Savior.
The Jews rejected to bring Jesus and Salvation to the Gentiles and will swing back and unite the Jews, since their eyes as a group will be opened. There are Messianic Jews, but in end times something dramatic is going to occurr and they will also know the Messiah.
Muslims will actually be used in the hand of God as a judgement.
Then after they will be destroyed.
But all who come to Jesus and walk the way and path He said to follow, will be Saved. All others will not.
So my point is Biblical prophesy addresses all 3 groups Christian Jewish and Islam. And they all are prophesies fulfilled and also to be fulfilled
you say its like explaining skyscrapers to a remote tribe in africa.
however you are able to actually show the skyscrapers to them, you can physically take them there and allow them to touch them.
What you are saying requires belief which requires no evidence. we live in a world that requires evidence because just believing hard enough does not make it true.
The metaphor I used is obvious, it's only not obvious if the end goal of your argument is just to be contentious.
So the question is do you actually have credible reasons to base your argument that is currently cowering behind your contention?
Debate is not the place for contention. It's a forum to challenge and be challenged.
1 so you grow and learn and maybe even at times alter or even change your position.
2 so you are sharpened in points you hold that have value
3 to help you express those points more persuasively
Am I asking too much?
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you say its like explaining skyscrapers to a remote tribe in africa.
however you are able to actually show the skyscrapers to them, you can physically take them there and allow them to touch them.
What you are saying requires belief which requires no evidence. we live in a world that requires evidence because just believing hard enough does not make it true
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Original post from Me -
He didn't give vague prophesies, He gave precise prophesies.
And I don't care if He spelled it out with a time stamp, If your heart has the lights out, it doesn't matter, you still won't be able to see and understand it. He hides it, He covers it so it looks vague.
And its like explaining skyscrapers to a remote tribe in Africa.
No matter what, you can't see if your heart is set on darkness!
It is a cup of judgement in His hand, and you'll stumble like a drunk at noon day, and He will smite you with confusion so Nothing in front of you makes sense no matter how precise it is.
It's not a communication problem from God, it's an understanding problem within your heart, because your heart chooses it, He fills you with it! And your drinking it, and will drink it till it's too late, if you don't repent, and turn your heart to Him!
Mounty, the discussion is regarding accuracy in Biblical Prophesy, and whether it is vague or clear.
My point is that it is clear, and even detailed with time stamps, it's often detailed with specific areas and locations showing absolute Divine Inspiration, but it's also true that God will allow people to be blinded, even to its clarity.
Jesus often said (paraphrased) He hides things from the so called smart people, And reveals deep, smart things, full of wisdom, and insight, and understanding to those who don't feel the need to be so smart.
Truth hides itself from you, while you willingly become overcome by the Deceptions you choose to believe!
And God lets you have your fill of your own choices, especially now, in these last days!
unfortunately im not entirely sure what contention is, i dont claim to know all the words in the dictionary and there meanings.
however...
my point was why use a metaphor to compare some thing i would put in the realm of supernatural and not real to some thing you can actually prove to people.
prophesies to me are like the infinite monkey theorem that given enough time even a monkey can write shakespeare
becoming childish by calling me a monkey i was actually hopping for actual debate, what about the one about the nile drying up? never happened or egypt being a barren wasteland?
The potential impacts of the dam have been the source of severe regional controversy. The Government of Egypt, a country which relies heavily on the waters of the Nile, has demanded that Ethiopia cease construction on the dam as a preconditions to negotiations, sought regional support for its position, and some political leaders have discussed methods
to sabotage it.
Egypt has planned a diplomatic initiative to undermine support for the dam in the region as well as in other countries supporting the project such as China, Italy, and Norway.
However, other nations in the Nile Basin Initiative have expressed support for the dam, including Sudan, the only other nation downstream of the Blue Nile, which has accused Egypt
He is willfully ignorant. The Bible is very precise in it's prophecies and the penalty for anybody claiming to be a prophet and giving a false prophecy was death. 100 percent accuracy was required as proof of being a prophet, and there had to be prophecies fulfilled in that prophets lifetime and 100 percent of all prophecies given to occur before the prophets death had to come true before the prophets death proving the word of God was coming through that prophet. The future prophecies of the Bible are specific and will come to pass exactly as foretold. In the end times it will be like in the days of Noah, when the whole earth was full of violence. Anybody who can't see that we are getting closer and closer to that day at breakneck speed is blind, willfully ignorant.
Russia will attack Israel exactly as foretold in the Bible, in league with Iran exactly as they are now and exactly as foretold in the Bible...all of the end time alliances with China choosing it's Arab allies and Russia choosing hers, and the USA falling from power to be in allegiance with China or Russia or maybe even Islamist.....and maybe even not falling from power but becoming subservient to Russia and/or China via the UN........
Everything is falling into place exactly as the Bible predicted thousands of years ago, Israel is on center stage exactly as God promised when He chose Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who later became Israel through which to bless all of the families of the Earth, magnifying His name above all names...........
if your prophecies are 100% accurate then can you supply the time and date of when this is all going to happen?
also the fact that you holy book demands death of some one claiming to be a prophet and giving false prophecy is slightly alarming, i thought the bible taught forgiveness not murder?
I cant' give time and date of future prophecies but you can read them in the Bible and you can rest assured they will come to pass. Jesus Christ is coming back and will rule the world from Mt Zion. You will be with Him in His Kingdom or you will be against Him in the fire of Hell.
It was old testament law for the nation of Israel......and one day there will be no mediums, no witches, no Nostradamus, no astologers........we allow them now under our laws.........why don't you go take a stupid pill and maybe it will counter act the one you took this morning so your brain might appear.
How many stupid pills did you have to take in order to become an atheist, or did you just one day say " Wow, you don't have to use your brain at all to be an atheist!".
There are time stamped prophesies to know and there are others where times has not been disclosed.
And there are times where prophesy itself isnt fully revealed.
Prophesy has often been clear a precise, although God closes eyes to it, because your heart is not in a place that is privileged to see.
And you can see this concept explained frequently by Jesus, when He says I speak in parables because not all are privileged to understand, while they have eyes they are blind, have ears but are deaf, and their hearts can't understand.
FYI - It's not a good position to be in, when you can't see, hear, or understand the Word of God. So if you want to change that you should seek Him, so you find Him!
But, I will give you an example of pre-written history. Which is the definition of Prophesy.
The Messiah would be announced to his people 483 years, to the exact day, after the decree to rebuild the city of Jerusalem.
Prophecy and its Fulfillment
Daniel 9:25
"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem, unto the Messiah the Prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."
John 12:12-13
" 12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord."
More Prophecies Like This Additional Fulfillment Examples
Matthew 21:6-9, Mark 11:7-10, Luke 19:35-40, John 12:12-16
Notes
Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem occured 173,880 days (483 X the Hebrew 360 day year) after Artaxerxes' decree was given in 445 B.C. (as recorded in Nehemiah 2:1-20) to rebuild Jerusalem. This was the first time that Jesus allowed anyone to proclaim him as "King." Note, the Hebrew word for "week" is "shavua" and literally means "seven." Therefore, in Hebrew, the idea of 70 weeks is "seventy sevens." The meaning of the word "weeks" was used in reference to both days and years.
There is a why behind every precept of God. And He is Reasonable and Logical and Just. He is directing a complete line of history for 6000 years!
There are appointed times for everything, including revealing prophesy. You are not God! So don't think for a second He is like you!
As He guides His Word through Generations through Millenials for a completion of 6000 years, you would have to be an idiot to think God would or should take His dictation anything less than severe for false prophets! Duh!
The Bible says an army of 200 million men will march against Israel under the King of the East. The number is precise and the origin of that army is precise, China boasts of being prepared to field 200 million men in battle now, and one day they will.
just googled it and the only things that came up were religious articles which hardly solidifies your argument when arguing on the side of religion. also if we think logically could they really afford an army of 200 million considering the size of their current army is a 100th of the size and they spend 147 billion to support the 200 million your suggestion they would have to up the spending too 147000 billion
China boasts of being ready to field an army of 200 million men, and can probably field 300 million. The reason you get "religious" articles when you google this subject is because they are pointing out the accuracy of the Biblical prophecy of the kings of the East coming to attack Israel with an army of 200 million men exactly as foretold in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Never before in history has any nation been able to field a 200 million man army. China will do it. When it's time, Communist China will field that army of 200 million with the horsemen exactly as foretold. Think they can't? Think they won't? They can and they will, the same as Russia will come down from the North in league with the kings of Persia.
I am against religion. I am simply stating facts. This is reality. If you can't see that the world is shaping up for the Battle of Armageddon exactly as foretold in the Bible, it's only because you are doing your best to bury your head in the sand. And 200 million is not the number I suggest, it is the number predicted in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. The number is specific, and it specifically names the kings of the East fielding that army. People who say there is nothing specific in Bible prophecy are just fooling themselves, and apparently you are determined to be fooled as they are.
If they attack with 300 million, does that mean they leave 200 million at home, or are the 200 million part of the 300 million?
The prophecy specifies 200 million. Count them when it happens if you are not burning in Hell at that time....or if you are not saved, which I doubt you will be, in which case you would be caught up to meet the Lord in the air in the rapture before the battle of Armageddon.
It would mean that you don't actually believe in the Bible like I suspected. God is not going to be fooled by a fake like you. He can see in 3D, and see right through your lies.
And how many Biblican prophesies did not come true? I guess those were just mistakes? Or they will happen in the future? If you make enough prophesies one will eventually come true (or 3).
There has been about 2000 prophesies that have come true. And very specific. About 500 left to be fulfilled. There are some in process and some to be fulfilled. As time ends the prophesies have been fullfilled and the prophesies to be fullfilled are less and less.
It's common to imagine all unusual like in Revelations as prophesy. But prophesy rarely presents otself in that way, and is only the case in a few books, Daniel and Revelations, and some in Ezekiel. But the rest is normal, still sensational but also in very natural terms.
Here is one with specific time of fulfillment
The Messiah would be announced to his people 483 years, to the exact day, after the decree to rebuild the city of Jerusalem.
Prophecy and Fulfillment
Daniel 9:25
"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem, unto the Messiah the Prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."
John 12:12-13
" 12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord."
More Prophecies Like This Additional Fulfillment Examples
Matthew 21:6-9, Mark 11:7-10, Luke 19:35-40,
John 12:12-16 Notes
Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem occured 173,880 days (483 X the Hebrew 360 day year) after Artaxerxes' decree was given in 445 B.C. (as recorded in Nehemiah 2:1-20) to rebuild Jerusalem.
This was the first time that Jesus allowed anyone to proclaim him as "King." Note, the Hebrew word for "week" is "shavua" and literally means "seven."
Therefore, in Hebrew, the idea of 70 weeks is "seventy sevens." The meaning of the word "weeks" was used in reference to both days and years.
Did it ever occur to you that the Gospel writers tweaked their accounts so as to make them SEEM like they were in accordance with the Torah prophecies?
Listen...do me--do yourself-- a favor: look up the word "midrash." As used in biblical literature and pertaining to how the Jews told their stories. All the modern rabbis and interpreters of the Torah know this. That the gospel writers skewed (altered! their writing to make them SEEM like they were prophecized in the Torah.
How else would it be possible for all these modern Torah scholars and Talmud experts to know that stuff backwards and forwards, but yet, STILL NOT believe that JC was the messiah? You DO know the Jews don't believe in him, right?
Anyway...yeah....don't take my word for it, read-up about Midrash. Hell, read the Torah. It should help you out a great deal and clear up some of your delusion. Ooops...confusion! LOL
When we go to trial, we include every source of evidence all prespective, not just from sources that support a pre determinef conclusion. Investigation and trial without an independent fair objective investigation is a mistrial.
The determination is beyond a reasonable doubt.
After all the evidence is looked at, we all make a jury decision.
And it is applied to what we conclude.
After all the evidence is given an objective review, do we find God Exists beyond a reasonable doubt, or that He doesn't exist beyond a reasonable doubt.
If evidence is excluded from objective reviw, you don't have a conclusion beyond reasonable doubt, all you have is a mistrial!
If your not willing to review all the evidence, except for a selective portion, and with some level of objectivity, then how is your position credible?
Evolution is not a smoking gun of Conclusive Evidence with an absolute that God doesn't exist.
So by what credibility does you knowledge rest, if you refuse evidence that has a potential to challenge your tampered room of evidence.
Nothing but a mistrial because you are tampering with evidence by excluding evidence.
Be objective and look at all the evidence, what do you have to fear? It can't amount to much of a challenge, after all you are solid on evidence in support of your conclusion. Right?
Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10).
Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to 13th power)
Did it ever occur to you that the Gospel writers tweaked their accounts so as to make them SEEM like they were in accordance with the Torah prophecies?
Seriously you went there? How am I worse than Saintnow?
The Gospels have been reviewed by historians, linguists, archeologist, scholars, investigators, detectives etc.
The Gospels are credible historically, there is no valid dispute.
They all reflect eyewitnesses and they write as though they had four different prespectives of the same events.
2 bozos with cell phones to collaborate would screw up their lie, and under investigations the lieing inconsistencies would unravel their testimony.
You have four writers, all writing in what ever period they were finding to concentrate and write. Not collaborating.
So 2 bozos can't keep a lie together about a few hours of time and one series of events during those few hours.
But four guys took 3 1/2 years, ad detailed many different events, the locations, just about what the air smelled like, they have that much detail. These guys have truthful inconsistencies.. those types of inconsistencies are a sign of truth in testimonies, it's when the other is confirmed by focusing on the subject but highlighting other details of their own focus but the consistency of details of the subject are remembered the same, truth is easy to recall, lies are not easy to recall, memory of memorization can be forgotton and twisted, but experience memory is like detailing the back of your hand.
Ex. Matt tells of Jesus being slapped saying prophesy who hit you, and in Luke's account Luke adds The soldiers blindfolded Jesus and hit Him saying ....
Now the question is what was going on? Why were they so captivating, how did they withstand death by lions over defending it? How did it survive, kind of the same question about the Jews, how did they grow to numbers as the sand on the seashore?
It almost seems if it weren't for Israel life wouldn't be quite as disturbed. How is it that 4000 years of these people who really didn't bring much on themselves historically, are the matter that brings trembling (OR TERROR!!!) To the door of EVERY Nation? Has Israel been a burden to lift? When lifting Israel have those Nations face Trembling, and being cut into pieces? And how did the Bible know Nations would lift Israel? What Nations back then lifted other Nations?
Accurate prophesy?
Crazy coincidence isn't it??!!??
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle (Zech 12:2-3, Zech 14:2-3 KJV).”
Llet us remind ourselves of several principles that govern the validity of genuine prophecy.
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True prophecies are stated emphatically; they are not couched in the jargon of contingency (unless, of course, contextual evidence suggests that one is dealing with a conditional prophecy).
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Generally, a significant time frame must lapse between the prophetic utterance and the fulfillment, so as to exclude the possibility of “educated speculation.”
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The prophecy will involve specific details, not vague generalities.
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The predictive declarations will be fulfilled precisely and completely. No mere substantial percentage will suffice.
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One must recognize, though, that occasionally a prophecy may contain figurative terminology; this does not, however, militate against its evidential validity.
Llet us remind ourselves of several principles that govern the validity of genuine prophecy.
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True prophecies are stated emphatically; they are not couched in the jargon of contingency (unless, of course, contextual evidence suggests that one is dealing with a conditional prophecy).
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Generally, a significant time frame must lapse between the prophetic utterance and the fulfillment, so as to exclude the possibility of “educated speculation.”
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The prophecy will involve specific details, not vague generalities.
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The predictive declarations will be fulfilled precisely and completely. No mere substantial percentage will suffice.
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One must recognize, though, that occasionally a prophecy may contain figurative terminology; this does not, however, militate against its evidential validity.
I think there are about 500 that didn't come true yet, some of those are in process. Actually there are 2000 prophesies that have been fullfilled. So in 6000 years 75 % of the prophesies have already been fulfilled.
Daniel predicted the four great kingdoms!!
Bible prophecy: Daniel 2:32-33
Prophecy written: About 530 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: Throughout history
In Daniel 2:32-33, there is a prophetic passage that symbolically identified the four great kingdoms that would rise up and control much of world, beginning in Daniel's lifetime. The passage uses symbolic imagery:
1. The head of gold, as Daniel explained, refers to the Babylonian Empire that ruled much of the world about 2600 years ago.
2. Daniel said that the head-of-gold empire would be followed by an empire symbolized by arms of silver. Christian scholars have often interpreted this to refer to the Medo-Persian Empire which later conquered the Babylonian Empire. The scholars say that the two arms refer to the two groups - the Medes and the Persians - who comprised the Medo-Persian Empire.
3. The third kingdom was symbolized by the statue's belly and thighs of brass. Some scholars believe that this is a reference to the Grecian Empire, which conquered the Medo-Persian Empire. The symbol of a belly and thighs of brass suggests that the kingdom was to start out as a united empire but end up as a divided empire. Under the leadership of Alexander the Great, the Grecian Empire was a united empire. But after Alexander's death, the empire was divided up.
4. The fourth symbol - that of iron legs and feet that were part iron and part clay - has often been suggested to be a reference to the Roman Empire, which later conquered the Grecian Empire.
These four kingdoms ruled over much of the world, and each of the four ruled over the land of Israel during times in which a significant number of Jews - and perhaps a majority of Jews - were living in their homeland.
Before the collapse of the Roman Empire, Jerusalem was destroyed and hundreds of thousands of Jews were forced into exile. Even today, a majority of Jews live outside of Israel.
Daniel 2:32-33 (NIV):
32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.
It almost seems if it weren't for Israel life wouldn't be quite as disturbed. How is it that 4000 years of these people who really didn't bring much on themselves historically, are the matter that brings trembling (OR TERROR!!!) To the door of EVERY Nation? Has Israel been a burden to lift? When lifting Israel have those Nations face Trembling, and being cut into pieces? And how did the Bible know Nations would lift Israel? What Nations back then lifted other Nations?
Accurate prophesy?
Crazy isn't it??
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle (Zech 12:2-3, Zech 14:2-3 KJV).”
For the prophesy below to have come true, God would have had to have fulfilled
2 OTHER Bible Prophesies,
1 -to scatter them to all the Nations, and 2 - then bring the Jews back from all the Nations He had scattered them, which are also other detailed prophesied! And bringing them back was fullfilled after ww2. .. ... Thousands of years after these prophesies!
Coincidence? Or is this inaccurate?
Was Terrorism a Biblical Prophesy?
Was the Middle East Crisis a Biblical Prophesy?
How many points can we accumulate for -
Bible Truth or Bible Lie?
It almost seems if it weren't for Israel life wouldn't be quite as disturbed. How is it that 4000 years of these people who really didn't bring much on themselves historically, are the matter that brings TREMBLING (OR TERROR!!!) To the door of EVERY Nation? Has Israel been a burden to lift? When lifting Israel
have those Nations face Trembling, and being cut into pieces?
How did the Bible know Nations would lift Israel? What Nations back then lifted other Nations?
Accurate prophesy?
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of TREMBLING unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of
the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle
I know, I know...so very much of the bible never came true and so many of the stories it has never happened. This is why I have decided to stay out of this debate. She has proven far too deluded to argue with. Too far gone, bro. Once I explained to her about the Jewish literary practice of Midrash and she did not understand that, I decided to cease any more arguing.
I ask you: is there anything more boring on this site than when these zealots paste bible tracts? I cannot think anything.
It just sucks that the prolific new person has to be another boring religious nut. Our collective plate was already pretty much full on that account, eh?
I wish her real estate biz would pick up a little so she wouldn't have so much fucking spare time to spend here. And notice how her posts get more zealous and Saintnow like at night, as she gets into her cups. It's pretty funny, really.
There are those who support the claim that their is no life after death making the idea of spiritual beings an illusion well if that is so I have a link to one of many paranormal events of course we can feel people have spent there time and money setting up and damaging their own property just to fool us a number of different people have experienced what they call paranormal events and all these people around the world are spending money just to fool you?
Huh that's a neat video. I just have such a hard time believing it isn't rigged. There are some out there that are REALLY good with faking it and some that are so obvious it's hysterical.
you have to define "a deity" in order to show if you are talking about God or things which are not God but are called deities when they are not and never were and never will be God. If the deity you are referring to is not God, then your question is nonsense and all of the answers will be nonsense....or outright evil like Islam and it's deity, Allah, or Satanism and it's deity, Satan.
why is islam evil? there have been so many deity's through out history, with all religious leaders of said deity's claiming there mythology is the winner. why is christianity any different to the religions that have gone before it?
with that logic i could claim Christianity is evil. looking through history most religions have their dark periods including Christianity. why is Islam any different?
personally i dont believe in god but that has nothing to do with question you didnt answer. i was merely making a point and highlighting the similarities between the darker sides of religion and how easily it could be argued that any religion could be evil. nothing to do with what god does or does not let me get away with. thought this was a debating site?
the only claims i have made are that all religions have dark periods that people could then say makes them all evil. are you telling me that Christianity has had no hand in evil? or people committing evil in the name of Christianity?
Jesus Christ is a person, He is not a religion. You practice a religion when you try to convince yourself that you have the right to exist outside of Hell simply because you exist.
my previous point was about weather people ie humans that follow the religion of christianity have committed evil in the name of said religion.
nothing was said about jesus christ being a person or not, i feel like you get lost from what i am asking you some times.
just to be clear is English your first language? honestly not trying to belittle you with that question its just you seem to go on tangents from what i am asking and killing the debate in the process weather you mean to that i dont know
Just because somebody or a group of somebody's claims to be doing something in the name of Christianity does not make them Christians. Jesus Christ is the truth, being subject to Him as your King is living in Christianity, where Christ is the King and Christianity is living in His Kingdom. If I say I am doing something in the name of Christianity which the Bible teaches against, then I am a liar.
You are a liar when you say there is no truth and Jesus Christ is not God. You are the liar, God is true.
however isnt the bible open to interpretation? because i have spoke to many christians about the old testament and the creation story and they say that they dont take it literally that they are just stories but there are other christians out there that take the whole bible verbatim and will stick to it word for word.
so would you say that the people in the KKK are not really christian?
also please dont call me a liar im simply exploring different opinions just because i dont believe the same thing as you does not make me a bad person or a liar
You are not exploring different options, you are parading around trying to make God look bad. That's all you're doing, there is no other option for you unless you want to know God........and I think you want to hide behind the brick wall you have built in your brain trying to keep God out because you know you are a sinner and you think you can hide from God behind your wall and escape justice...but that wall is crumbling and you are going to be exposed. Sorry.
i said i was exploring opinions not options, i dont believe that there is a god much like i dont believe in santa. the idea of sin doesnt work for me either i believe i decide what right and wrong is not what an ancient book says. also dont apologies for giving your beliefs. as much as i can say god isnt real you can say he is and that is the beauty of the western world that we have freedom of speech and can discuss these things.
Well why don't you just read the Bible for yourself and see what it says and quit asking everybody else. The English Bible is called the King James Bible. All versions which came later are fake Bibles and will give you lies.
I don't know the people in the KKK. As far as I know, none of them are Christians. Can you name one of them so we can examine their beliefs to see if they are Christians according to what the Bible says is a Christian?
Ok, I'll try to not call you a liar if you will try to quit telling lies. If you accept that I have corrected your errors, I won't call you a liar. If you continue spouting falsehoods as if they were true and factual, I'll continue calling you a liar......maybe you don't realize you are lying, but really you should investigate your claims before presenting them as factual.
And by the way, we are all bad persons, we are all evil doers, we all deserve to die and burn in Hell. If you tell a lie you are a liar, and are you going to expect me to believe that you have never told a lie? God sees you as a liar because you have lied the same as everybody else. Anybody who says they never lied is a liar.
i joined this site to have debates and challenge my own ideas, thats why i ask you, if you asked me a question about being an atheist i would give you an honest answer.
okay the KKK are a self proclaimed christian group but known widely to be extremely racist to black people. in the past they have been known to murder black people by beatings and lynching.
personally i dont think i have told any lies if you could point them out to me i will be happy to go over them again and discuss them further.
So to clarify..every german french spanish etc etc translated Bible is a lie? Waw.. So very few people are actt Christians then. God screwed that one up didnt he? The only people that can bet rue christiansa re those that can read old English.
You are tying to make everybody else look bad...I think that qualifies you as a bad person, sorry...but the truth of the matter is that you and I both are bad, we have both broken God's holy law and both deserve to die and burn in Hell separated forever from any sign of God's goodness
Interesting questions Mounty. Short answer, of course Islam isn't evil. That's like saying a gun is evil or a knife is evil. Extremists who warp religion to suite their needs are the ones that should be held responsible, not religion.
In many ways Christianity isn't different. Thousands of years ago people knew Jupiter was the King of Gods, about 700 years before that people knew that Zeus was the King of Gods. Hinduism is one of the oldest religions in the world with Judaism running a close second. The difference with Christianity, and please don't take my word for it my knowledge is rusty, is that Christianity has it's roots based in Judaism. Some believe there had been a split of sects which resulted in the birth of Christianity, others don't. But it has a steady religious following continuing on long after the fall of other religions.
The simplest, quickest answer is religion can be good or bad depending on who practices it. Islam is no more evil than Christianity, is no more evil than Catholicism, is no more evil than Paganism or any other form of worship. I think the real issue is identifying the real enemy instead of just blindly accusing an entire belief system out of ignorance.
Mostly because I was brainwashed for the first 18 years of my life.
Luckily I woke up enough to realize not everybody was brainwashed identically to myself so I don't harbor an elitist or exclusionary philosophy of everybody who isn't like me must be wrong and going to hell.
Then I will soon be on your level. We all believe we are as good as God to thr same extent thst you believe God is blue or turnips grow on the moon. That is, not at all.
I guess we know if turnips grow on the moon, we have samples of moon. Lol
God may be blue, I'll have a blue Christmas without you, blue river, blue moon, blue sky. Blue in the rainbow. Many shades of blue.
Christians don't think they are good or better, it's actually the opposite, Christians, if truely the Spirit dwells in them, have a self awareness of humility. We obviously are not incredibly pompous if we evaluated ourselves and decided repentance was a good idea.
I'm not better than a person in darkness because of me being light. I'm in a better position than those in darkness because of He who is Light.
The only thing that separates light and darkness is a flip of a switch. It doesn't take much talent to flip a switch, as a matter of fact flipping the switch doesn't always turn on the light. There needs to be a source of light.
It depends on the electricity flowing from the source, then there is the quality of the circuit or method of delivery, then the bulb which is the simple maintenance - how many dumb Christians does it take to change a light bulb, we'll one can easy change the light bulb and it may need to be replaced, meaning it's progressive simple maintenance making sure the bulb is in a condition to receive electricity and turn on with the talent of a flip of a switch.
Christians know their source but it isn't from a place of superiority, it a place of invitation. We invite you because we were like you, and then we flipped the switch and the light went on.
So we invite you, it's kind to invite you, it shows respect to you when you are invited, it shows you that we think you are worth inviting!
I said you believe God is blue and that turnips grow on the moon. I am sorry for that. You are clearly suffering from a complete and utter bout of retardation.
No, it's that your Evangelical Christian philosophy is just one of many interpretations of Christianity. And those from other religions, Islam, Judaism, Hindu, whatever, are equally convinced as you at the validity of why they believe what they believe.
Is there a place in the speed of light where time stands still?
Is God known as Light?
Does He give Eternal Life?
Did anyone writing the Bible understand the speed of light, or was that a scientific realization of modern day?
Then how or why would light and eternal life and Omnipresence meaning every where at once and Omniscience, knowing all things past present and future, why do you think light and these characteristics of the person who IS Light would somehow appear together, as characteristics found in God, who is The Light?
Again did these ancient writers understand the science of Light?
