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The rise to power of Nazism is a long and somewhat complicated saga which started at the end 0f WW1 with what many Germans saw as the humiliation of the Treaty of Versailles.
The German people were susceptible to any nationalistic dogma which could return their pride and restore their economy.
The megalomaniac Adolf Hitler did restore the economy and built the mightiest military force the world had ever seen.
It took the combined military might of the U.S.A, Russia and the U.K., along with the armies of, what was then, the British Empire to defeat Nazi Germany.
I think propaganda and brainwashing are not opposites. Anyway, Nazism worked bc humans are tribal by nature- rally around the pack type animals. Also, the JooJoos were by no means innocent- they had economically wounded Germany by linking up a boycott of german products. I believe in National Socialism. I also believe In Darwinism. I am not a total racist - the weeding should be based on intelligence and not on skin color. I am mostly German heritage and we have very high motivation to achieve more and EVOLVE
The power of the press can be seen throughout the ages. When those with the bully pulpit decide to push an ideology, they will always demonize groups hindering their agendas.
For decades the Left has utilized the media to brainwash Americans to fear Christians and Conservatives.
In order to further their socialist agendas, those on the Left had to perpetuate the myth that a person has no control over the condition of his own life.
They want people to believe we are all victims of the Rich White man. It's not your fault!
They want people to believe we need a Big Government to portect us from being victims to those who would take advantage of us. It's not your fault!
You see, Christianity lifts up the value of personal responsibility, hard work, etc.
It's not about blaming other's for our problems, but rather looking at our own sins and irresponsible choices. It's about improving the condition of our families with personal accountability for our own actions.
The Democrat Party and the Left saw these truthes as a road block to their socialistic Big Government ideology.
They had to demonize Christians and Conservatives. It's one more form of Nazism. Identify the opposition whether it be Jews, or Christians, or Conservatives. Use every form of media whether it be Hollywood movies, sitcoms, News programs, late night comedy shows, etc. etc. to condition the electorate to blame the Right for all their problems.
It's been working great for the left until Trump came along. All of a sudden, one man was able to break through the powers of the Liberal media. He opened the people's eyes to the Left's strategy.
This is why the Left hates Trump more than any other man ever elected by the people.
The propaganda is so effective that people don't really think too much about whether or not national socialism is bad because there is no question about it.
Is nationalism bad? Is socialism bad? Why is the combination of both inherently bad? Because Hitler? Let one person ruin the whole thing for everyone?
I don't think it is so black and white. I think that more people should examine these questions.
The difference between a globalist socialist and a national socialist is really what defines the nation. In the end, they are all nazis. What is the real fight about? Who gets to be Führer when power has been consolidated and the smoke clears. That is what I think. In the end, what is it all but a global domination scheme?
What does THE ONE NATION UNDER GOD mean?
Declaration of Independence and the middle finger to the nazis and anyone else who would undermine the law of this here United State of America, which is the The Bill of Rights as far as I'm concerned.
Why do you think Nazi propaganda and brainwashing worked so well?
There is an interesting book on this topic titled "Hitler's Willing Executioners" that takes a different stance then the standard "human predisposition toward obedience to authority"-type view.
Note: You can find all sorts of book reviews and various perspectives on the work online (if interested).
Here is a synopsis provided by GoodReads.com:
This groundbreaking international bestseller lays to rest many myths about the Holocaust: that Germans were ignorant of the mass destruction of Jews, that the killers were all SS men, and that those who slaughtered Jews did so reluctantly. Hitler's Willing Executioners provides conclusive evidence that the extermination of European Jewry engaged the energies and enthusiasm of tens of thousands of ordinary Germans.
Goldhagen reconstructs the climate of "eliminationist anti-Semitism" that made Hitler's pursuit of his genocidal goals possible and the radical persecution of the Jews during the 1930s popular. Drawing on a wealth of unused archival material, principally the testimony of the killers themselves, Goldhagen takes us into the killing fields where Germans voluntarily hunted Jews like animals, tortured them wantonly, and then posed cheerfully for snapshots with their victims. From mobile killing units to the camps to the death marches, Goldhagen shows how ordinary Germans, nurtured in a society where Jews were seen as unalterable evil and dangerous, willingly followed their beliefs to their logical conclusion.
Maybe more people need a good brainwashing. Everyone running around pretending to know things. Sometimes you gotta get that muck scrubbed off in order to see things clearly, know?
How many of you are national socialists without even knowing it? Too many of you, that's probably the truth. Do you really even think national socialism a bad thing? How are you so sure? Do you even know what it is about? What it means?
Or have you simply been programmed to accept it as being bad? No debate whatsoever?
I think debate about the subject would get many people to actually realize that they are in fact nazis. I don't think that nazis should be hated, I think people should have a bit more charity and realize how easy it is for a population to fall for the tricks of government consolidation of power and authority.
Well, first of all, fascism had never been institutionalised as a serious political system at the state level before. The German people simply had no experience in recognising Nazi propaganda.
Second, it was only really during that era that writers such as Ed Bernays etc... began publishing the first works on propaganda. Way back then, the word "propaganda" did not have the negative connotations that it has today, and our modern disdain for the word is in no small part because of Nazi propaganda.
Third, Hitler was producing real economic results and slowly putting Germany back together again after a humiliating defeat which many cost many German nationalists their dignity.
Finally, Nazism struck like a wave, taking almost everything with it in its path and crushing whatever remained in way of opposition. The more power the Nazis obtained, the more they used that power to obtain more power, and so their rise became exponential.
Well, first of all, fascism had never been institutionalised as a serious political system at the state level before. The German people simply had no experience in recognising Nazi propaganda.
Second, it was only really during that era that writers such as Ed Bernays etc... began publishing the first works on propaganda. Way back then, the word "propaganda" did not have the negative connotations that it has today, and our modern disdain for the word is in no small part because of Nazi propaganda
Your right--the German citizens that bought into Nazism "hook-line-and-sinker" were passive victims of social re-engineering.......
You agree with the statement as-is or with the obvious sarcasm I intended/employed?
We do not prosecute the victims of fraud in my country. Perhaps you feel that warrants sarcasm, but then again very little of what you write is worth reading anyway.
You are taking the position that full-grown adults hold little to no real responsibility for themselves and are passive victims even if they become Nazis that encourage/support/carry out (amongst) the most outrageous offenses conceivable.
Is your sense of personal responsibility really that low?
You are taking the position that full-grown adults hold little to no real responsibility for themselves
Am I? Well, thanks for letting me know. I had no idea. It's lucky I have you to tell me what I think otherwise I'd be completely lost.
Please, tell me more about how we should punish people who are conned for being conned. That sounds to me like a theory I might have heard somewhere before. Where was it now?
Please, tell me more about how we should punish people who are conned for being conned.
This statement is to my point exactly. Your position is simply that they were re-engineered sub-consciously (against their will) and thus cannot be held responsible for their actions in any meaningful way. Essentially, you are viewing this as though they were hijacked by the elites (in charge) like in the book/movie "Divergent"--when the Dauntless are used as pawns by Erudite to do their (evil) bidding.
Something tells me you are not going to explain to any of us how it is "to your point".
Your position is
So your "point" appears to be that you are a Nazi who repeatedly makes up his opponent's argument for him. Is that your "point"?
is simply that they were re-engineered sub-consciously
No, those were your words, not mine. I agreed with you on the basis of the obvious underlying point that the German people were the victims of a coordinated propaganda campaign. You are the only person here who has even mentioned engineering, so congratulations on attacking your own argument, you complete fucking halfwit.
I honestly have no more time for this stupidity of yours. You are being ridiculous (as usual) so there is little point in trying to reason with you.
So let me get this straight, brother. You tell me what my beliefs are, and when I disagree with you, you tell me it is because I do not understand my beliefs?
Is that seriously what just happened?
How are you not under permanent psychiatric supervision?
You are the only person here who has even mentioned engineering, so congratulations on attacking your own argument, you complete fucking halfwit.
You invoked Edward Bernays who has multiple books detailing his conception of "Social Engineers" (Side Note: you did actually read the book(s) didn't you--or did you just put it out there as if you understood his work without actually going through any of it(?)). Also, you stated that you "completely agreed" to my use of the term previously (when it didn't dawn on you that I was being sarcastic)..
I'm a humble man and I don't mean to brag, but I happen to be one of the leading mastermind genius experts on the subject of social engineering and I can tell you that you are totally legitimately correct and Nomenclature is a libtard poopy head.
The closest he ever came was a book he wrote in 1955 called The Engineering of Consent. If this is indeed what you are referring to, then can you explain why you are blaming Germans in the 1930s for not reading a book which was not written until 1955?
I'm sure you can shed some light on this mystery for us. Does it have to do with your belief that time is not real?
"Social Engineering" is quite seriously the premise to most of his work. As such, the book(s)/essay by-and-large revolve around this concept.. (smdh...)
I never joke with fascists. You chose to use wording which you pretended was mine. When I pointed out you were lying, you then claimed it was Edward Bernays' wording. It belongs to neither of us because you are the one who used it.
I've read two of his books and an essay by him
No, you are a liar who Googled Edward Bernays shortly after you decided you were going to blame him for the false argument YOU INVENTED and then claimed was my own.
No, you are a liar who Googled Edward Bernays shortly after you decided you were going to blame him for the false argument YOU INVENTED and then claimed was my own.
Nom, this is another classic projection. You invoked Edward Bernays in your original argument even though you are clearly unfamiliar with the deeper content of his work. I discussed the basic premise in his work & you were flabbergasted. Then, you proceeded to Google the (elementary) terminology I was referring to, and posted a copy-past Wikipedia page..
Yes, and clearly you are the one doing it. You invented your own argument, twice claimed it was mine, and when I protested you claimed it must be mine because I mentioned Edward Bernays in a post I wrote 24 hours ago. All you are doing is making up your own bullshit and claiming it is what other people believe. That is not debate. That is just you being an arse.
The closest he ever came was a book he wrote in 1955 called The Engineering of Consent. If this is indeed what you are referring to, then can you explain why you are blaming Germans in the 1930s for not reading a book which was not written until 1955?
Bernay's book "Propaganda" was published in 1928, and the "need" for Social Engineering is the central idea of the book. Please actually read books before you try to discuss them.. (smh..)
I have read Propaganda from cover to cover and referenced it extensively in my university dissertation. I still have a copy of it somewhere on my old hard drive. Given this fact, I would like to know why you have decided to pretend that a book written for students of public relations is actually a book about Nazi "social engineering"?
It seems that you are not content to merely misrepresent my own arguments, but now you are trying to do the exact same thing to Edward Bernays!!!!!
I would like to know why you have decided to pretend that a book written for students of public relations is actually a book about "social engineering"?
Nom, it is the central concept of the book..
I have read Propaganda from cover to cover and referenced it extensively in my university dissertation. I still have a copy of it somewhere on my old hard drive.
This in fact wouldn't surprise me in the least, as you have managed to accomplish a similar feet elsewhere--That is, you have missed the central premise/argument of The Koran also (as well as (undoubtedly) countless other books..)
That's strange, because Bernays does not mention the phrase "social engineering" anywhere in the entire book. You are such an utterly stupid liar that it is frustrating even talking to you.
Here is a copy of the book for anybody who wants to run a search on the phrase:-
It is the central concept of the book (just as I stated). Whether or not he yet applies the terminology "Social Engineering" at that point is irrelevant, as it is the concept that matters and Bernays employs that terminology elsewhere to describe it..
This has devolved into an absurdly fatuous discussion that I for one am done with..
The central concept of the book is propaganda. That is why the book is called Propaganda. It is also why the book contains dozens of references to propaganda. The only person who has so far used the phrase "social engineering" is you.
You claimed I believed the German people had been "socially engineered", and when I pointed out that you were making up your own arguments, you doubled down on your own lies by claiming my mention of Edward Bernays 24 hours ago proves I believe the German people were socially engineered.
You are a very boring, very stupid troll, whose only means to debate someone is to deliberately misrepresent what they believe and what they say.
With a sense of personal responsibility this abysmally low
Where is your sense of responsibility not to misrepresent the arguments of the people you talk to? You are not simply a liar, but a world class hypocrite to boot.
With a sense of personal responsibility this abysmally low
It isn't about "personal responsibility" you complete fool. Nobody had ever seen Nazi propaganda before. You want to punish people for falling victim to a con the world had never seen before? How are you any better than Hitler?
"Wow, I never heard that before so it must be true!!!! Let's kill em' all."
There is something fundamentally wrong with you if you believe in nazism, it doesn't matter how much propaganda is involved because at the end of the day it is fundamentally evil and you are fundamentally a piece of shit if you believe it. You seem to take the word "nazi" and the name of Hitler so lightly that you will call anyone a nazi or say they are like Hitler. Someone who takes it seriously would not do this. Especially if you are saying it because they think nazis are bad people.
Racism and genocide have existed for a long time, no amount of propaganda can excuse you from being a piece of shit if you support it. Even if Hitler was the first person to ever commit genocide or use propaganda it wouldn't matter, nazism goes against all common sense and decency, by taking the stance you are taking you are excusing the most egregious levels of evil and/or gullibility.
You are psychologically weak and pathetic and intellectually dishonest, you forgive actual nazis and call everyone who isn't a socialist a nazi even though nazis are socialists.
It isn't about "personal responsibility" you complete fool. Nobody had ever seen Nazi propaganda before. You want to punish people for falling victim to a con the world had never seen before?
Have you read anything I said on the matter or do you simply insist on mindlessly parroting your position?
What are your thoughts on my analogy to "Divergent"?
I have done my utmost best not to, but unfortunately some of your weak-minded, nonsensical abuse of language penetrated my retina in a moment of weakness.
I read enough to understand that you want to punish the ordinary German people who fell victim to the lies of the Nazis, despite them having no prior experience of Nazi propaganda. The confusing thing is that in contemporary life we are quite familiar with the techniques of Nazi propaganda, and chief among them is making up your opponent's beliefs for them.
Hence, on the one hand, you berate the German people for being victims of a party of complete liars, and on the other, you have fallen victim to the exact same methods of propaganda, since you are copying them verbatim.
Hence, on the one hand, you berate the German people for being victims of a party of complete liars
You described yourself nom. You wouldn't believe the crap you believe without it being taught to you or brainwashed into your mind.
I mean think about it. You believe there was an undocumented "switch" of racists from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party, yet out of thousands of Democrat politicians from 1950-today, there's almost no one that ever switched parties, from either side. The only way to believe something with no evidence is to be indoctrinated to believe it or to take it on faith. I wonder how many other things you believe that are complete crap.
I read enough to understand that you want to punish the ordinary German people who fell victim to the lies of the Nazis
You want to punish Conservatives for everything imaginable. You are a fascist who defends fascists. You are a fascist who attacks peaceful people for loving their country and wanting to protect their country's people and their culture.
Your darn straightly Paul, keep fighting the good fight...I want you to BUST THEIR CRANIUMS OPEN AND SPLATTER THEIR BRAINS ALL OVER THE CONCRETE AND RAPE THEIR CORPSES....Politically.
I read enough to understand that you want to punish the ordinary German people who fell victim to the lies of the Nazis, despite them having no prior experience of Nazi propaganda.
That is not what I said (regarding equal punishment--although those who participated/supported the effort should share a burden of notable culpability, yes), though the German people did not simply "fall victim to the lies of the Nazis". Like I did say, you are promoting a view of personal responsibility for full-grown adults that is shockingly low (it is difficult to imagine how it could even get much lower)..
I read enough to understand that you want to punish the ordinary German people who fell victim to the lies of the Nazis, despite them having no prior experience of Nazi propaganda.
This is the exact same mindset that produces the positions you have held to elsewhere in which the elites are to blame for everything and the rest of the people (approximately 95+% of the population) could not possibly stop the <5% and are passive victims to all of the crimes being perpetrated. In reality, the <5% only ever have power because of the collective ignorance/stupidity/irrationality/support of the overwhelming bulk of the society who therefore share an enormous burden of guilt in the collective crimes of humanity.