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Human beings are naturally driven towards God. All traditional societies and civilizations had the vertical as the centre of their realms. We as human beings have the need to nourish our Soul. It is only when the 18th/19th century's philosophical materialism emerged, and the idea of " industrial progress" came to be that Man has started to become Godless, atheist.. That said, to come back to the question "why does God care if we worship him" I would argue that he does care simply because he created us, and because we are inherently deistic creatures. Arguing the opposite, i.e., we are not deistic creatures and God does not exist would lead us to reject the entire history of humanity i its quest for the Divine (a part from the Enlightment up until now)
yeah it could be said that the reason people are driven towards the idea of god is because since the beginning of time people have searched for a and needed a reason for their existence..they wondered where could their creator be?..they looked to the sky and the stars and imagined he must be in the sky somewhere...
If God speaks, has a mind of his own, and can be compared to a lesser being (humans), God is still capable of having an ego. And worshiping him is basically saying how "great" and "awesome" he is, but what does that do? They are just words.
If words affect God so much, then it must affect his ego.
It's not like you could say to him "I'm better than you" or "you suck" because that would piss him off.
But then why would he get pissed off? Isn't that the reaction to a damaged ego?
To say the truth, a real omnibenevolent God would be incapable of anger, and would find alternative ways to deal with evil.
I'm not really 100% sure when I say this, so correct me please.
Does God ever tell us to worship him?
In the bible, there are several verses telling us to do it, but is it ever God telling us directly to worship him?
As far as I know or remember, God does not directly tell us to worship him, but the people who wrote the bible and priests through the years told us to.
God tells us to pray - pray is to talk to him. A prayer is not worshipping (it can be tho)
I thought you believed that the whole bible was the word of God, and that all verses were written with the intention of God. If not, I don't think it is a book worth trusting.
Whoever has been down-voting your arguments, I will replace them.
I also don't think you could trust a book that contains talking donkeys and stories such as Noah's Ark.
If you believe that the whole bible was man-made, then why be Christian? I mean, why go to church, when you know that God didn't ask you to. Why pray, when you know it was humans who came up with it? Why trust the stories in Genesis or the Book of Revelation? Christianity rooted from these stories, but since you now acknowledge they are man-made, why not be Agnostic?
I must say I was surprised when I saw it, because I didn't think I said anything that was .. amusing in any way, but whatever.
If you believe that the whole bible was man-made, then why be Christian?
I know, that ''feeling'' to you, isn't much of an explanation.
But I feel God.. I mean I have enough proof to be a christian, and when I say proof I mean .. personal proof.
I have prayed and gotten things several times, and I just see God everywhere I look. I see him in the beauty of nature.
Whenever a person asks me why I believe, I'm having such a trouble answering.
Because I really can't explain 'why' I believe.
Asking me why I believe, is like asking me why I love my mother. There isn't a logical explanation why, I just do.
But I don't like christianity as we know it.
I'm not always proud of telling people, that I'm christian.
Because christian we're the ones who hated black people, christians are the people currently hating homosexuals, and they threaten people with hell.
That is not very 'christian' to me.
I have my own opinions on the bible, and I think, that as long as I am comfortable with my religion, and other people aren't bothered by it, then it shouldn't do any harm.
Well, to say the truth, I used to have "that feeling" as well. Until I realized it seemed to be an effect from the chemicals released in my brain, caused by a delusion.
I used to think that nature was a brilliant creation from a loving God, until I realized how natural it was- as in, we could be killed by an asteroid at any given moment, or our own atmosphere could disappear instantly through rare quantum fluctuations, or that all matter could just cease to exist. (And trust me, there is actually a chance of that happening. But fortunately it is quite small.) Or that the Sun will die on us, or that a certain colossal, celestial event (such as a super-nova) would wipe us out.
If God really made us and loves us, why are we so easy to get squashed or obliterated like the germs we are? If a bouncy ball can hit the ground and fly back up through physics, what if an asteroid were to bounce off of a celestial body, and plummet straight to Earth? The universe really is a natural, yet mindless jumble of chaos.
Now, Christians actually follow the bible. They believe in Genesis, Jesus Christ, Revelation, etc. But since the bible is man-made, how could you believe that Jesus, (who takes a massive part in your religion,) was as magical as he was?
It's a little unchristian to not believe in Jesus's magical-ness. Just as much as it is unchristian to not believe in the rest of the bible. Such as Mary's Virgin birth, or the ten commandments.
Other christians may see you as agnostic, for not believing in the bible as much as they would want you to.
But you are taking these beliefs from a book written by man. You've said yourself that you believe in God instead of the bible, but isn't the bible the basis of Christian belief?
You cannot fully believe that Jesus was as magical as he was, because that would contradict the other things you believe in such as how the errors in the bible kill it's validity.
Yes the bible is my guide and good adviser some times.
The bible isn't my God.
I believe Jesus was magical.. or miraculous, I like that word better.
I can't really explain my relationship with the bible.
I think everything is true, the bible is true.
But the bible is filled with metaphors, laws and STORIES.
Don't forget, that the bible tells us stories, stories that aren't meant to be told as laws. Some people come to me and say, how can you believe in a God that tels us to stone naughty children to death?
That episode in the bible, is a story - not a law.
it is meant for us to learn from, not repeat.
And besides, it wasn't God that stoned the children - it was humans.
Give me an example please, of an error in the bible - so I can explain how I deal with those.
But most of the 'errors' .. aren't actually errors. It is just misunderstood stories.
Don't forget, that the bible tells us stories, stories that aren't meant to be told as laws. Some people come to me and say, how can you believe in a God that tels us to stone naughty children to death?
That episode in the bible, is a story - not a law.
Leviticus 20:9 'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head.
It is a law. A quote from God. It is one law out of a whole list of laws such as "Don't commit adultery" or "don't sleep with your mother."
And besides, it wasn't God that stoned the children - it was humans.
And besides, it wasn't Hitler who killed the Jews - it was the Nazis he ordered.
But most of the 'errors' .. aren't actually errors. It is just misunderstood stories.
It's all man made. That's why there are so many errors.
Leviticus 20:9 'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head.
It is a law. A quote from God. It is one law out of a whole list of laws such as "Don't commit adultery" or "don't sleep with your mother."
I was actually not aware of this. I have read other stories about people stoning children and stuff like that.
But as I said, I think there are errors in the bible. Leviticous has several authors, and I believe that one of them could make mistakes, when it comes to when God speaks directly to us, and when he doesn't.
And besides, it wasn't Hitler who killed the Jews - it was the Nazis he ordered.
I don't believe God ordered people to stone children - I guess some do, but not me.
But as I said, I think there are errors in the bible. Leviticous has several authors, and I believe that one of them could make mistakes, when it comes to when God speaks directly to us, and when he doesn't.
If you do not trust the story of Noah's Ark, why aren't you skeptical about the resurrection/miracles of Jesus?
The Bible is seriously untrustworthy. You can't really chose to trust some parts and leave out the rest, because, what can you trust?
I don't believe God ordered people to stone children - I guess some do, but not me.
Well, not everyone is you. There are some people out there who are mindless, who would do anything for a God, without even questioning whether what they've been lied to or not. This book that was "inspired" by God has ended up killing children in a slow and brutal way.
If you do not trust the story of Noah's Ark, why aren't you skeptical about the resurrection/miracles of Jesus?
I trust Noah's ark.
Well, not everyone is you.
I am well aware of that, I can only speak for myself.
There are some people out there who are mindless, who would do anything for a God, without even questioning whether what they've been lied to or not. This book that was "inspired" by God has ended up killing children in a slow and brutal way.
I can't speak for those people who believe that, I only know what I believe.
If you have a delicious chocolate bar, this stuff is imported from Belgium, top quality, aged to perfection.
But you drop it after a few bites.... right into a pile of gooey dung.
Ok, so you can pick through the dung and fish the chocolate out and still eat it, sure. I mean, it's good chocolate.
But.... it fell into dung. Not just any dung, but the icky gooey stuff.
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If you do not understand, the dung represents laws that tell you that gays are an abomination, that you should stone unruly children to death, the whole slavery being totally ok in the Bible thing, while the chocolate symbolizes things like "Love your enemy" "Forgive others" and other rules and stories that make a lot of sense and can give you a happy life.
If you mean Yahweh, the god from the Bible, then to believe in that specific god, you'd need knowledge of the bible.
If you mean a spiritual force of nature, a god that is only somewhat of a god, a non personal god of nature, then Wicca or another pagan religion describes you better. The god of the Bible is very specific. He is Yahweh, and he made rules, performed actions like the flood and all that and had a son who was Jesus who died so you could go to heaven, rather than hell.
The god you talk about seems nothing like that.
If all you want is a deist concept of a god, then that's called deism, and has nothing to do with Christianity.
You said so yourself. You already mentioned you don't follow rules about stoning your children.
That's dung. You admit that murdering children, as it says in the bible is dung. It is a horrible thing to do and you would rather disobey god than murder a child for being angry at his parents.
But the chocolate that you hold onto is the god you believe in. The bible is dung, you said you don't believe in it, and that god is chocolate, something you do believe.
God is good, but the Bible is not.
God is from the bible. God is chocolate within a pile of dung telling you to murder children, how to enslave your children and other people, whom to hate and put to death and other horrible things. God might look good, but it's from that same book, which because of it's violence inspiring message, I call dung.
Ummm? What gifts has he given you and did he wrap them or just throw them in one of those stupid gift bags? Lame! That says you don't care people! NO GIFT BAGS!
God made every person on earth different, and no one is complete or perfect.
And these people are capable of harming other innocent individuals. Since in the bible it says to stone children who swear at their parents, these troubled people would flat out obey this law, and give people suffering and pain- all in which was God's fault.
No.. Go read the bible before you look dumber than you already do.
Sorry dear, ad hominems do nothing.
It sounds like you're talking about something you know little about.
I apologize I sound that way. I certainly know what I am referring to in the Bible, and knowing that you have admitted you don't necessarily follow the whole Bible (God > Bible) I figured I wouldn't assume you believed in Genesis Adam and Eve. But rather give you the option to say yes or no.
God didn't want us to be puppets.
I didn't necessarily say puppets.
He wanted us to have free will, to do what we wanted -and if they did love him, it should be their choice. If sin wasn't created, we would have been God's puppets.
So God was performing some twisted reverse psychology on Adam and Eve?
I think if there is a god, maybe he justs wants people to apreciate the existence he has given them. and except him as their creator. but he cant really blame people for not believing when theres no proof of his own existence!
