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Everyone shows their emotions in different ways and so some may not think he is patriotic but he can still be patriotic. It is better for some one to have an objective view and not be tied dow by excessive loyalties I my self do not pledge allegiance to any country. Also to the leading reason right now the U.S. political system is a communist plot to spread communism.
you do know this kind of whinny shit storm is exactly why every other country is embarrassed to be seen in the same room as America for the last couple of decades?
and while were on the topic of him being a communist did you also know hes a Muslim? and went to a racist church? and is the anti Christ? also he part of the Illuminati, wants to eat baby's, is creating death panels, and oh, free mason's, just throwing it out there
Isn't it important for the President of the United States of America to honor and respect those who serve and have served?
and while were on the topic of him being a communist did you also know hes a Muslim? and went to a racist church? and is the anti Christ? also he part of the Illuminati, wants to eat baby's, is creating death panels, and oh, free mason's, just throwing it out there
I would say, "So what?" However this is too short a reply.
How about:
"Why should we force a person to act in conformity in the name of patriotism? Aren't we big enough to allow demonstrations of protest or dissenting thoughts and behaviours? When did nationalism become your religion?"
Also:
"Anyone who thinks Obama is a communist doesn't know what communism is, and is an utter fool."
You are suggesting that Obama doesn't have to show respect for those men and women killed while serving the United States.
You and him apparently don't give a fuck for those who died.
I'm surprised you "give a fuck" for those people. Where's the money in you caring? How does it advance your personal interests to care?
It's not like you're a bleeding heart who has feelings for others. You'd compost their dead bodies and sell it as manure if you could.
So basically I'm asking, what's your game?
Never was. I do one should respect the office of the President and he clearly doesn't.
He is articulate, well-considered, and very tactical. I think this enables him to perform his function as president very effectively, and I believe this to be much more significant than symbolism designed to distract people. I think it is much more respectful to the office that he is working to improve this nation, and not merely squandering time and power.
I know what communism is, and he may not be overtly communist, but he is socialist, and he admitted it here.
I don't really know what to say here that would be efficacious since you're really desperate to assassinate his character, so I'll just pretend that I'm addressing any readers other than you who see this.
Socialism is a plan to essentially ban private ownership of companies and replace them with state-owned institutions, along with a followup wage control (it's all more complicated than this, but brevity requires me to condense it). Sometimes this works, sometimes it fails miserably.
What Democrats and Obama have done is reform private health care by adding laws banning certain behaviours of private companies, requiring others to provide insurance, closing loopholes, and expanding the state-funded programs. It isn't socialist since the insurance is still privatised. What he said about taxes was a general statement about reforms, that redistributing wealth is designed to help everyone enjoy a higher standard of living. Socialist programs will do this, but generally on a much more sophisticated scale. Remember that we have a mixed economy. It isn't capitalist or socialist in the pure sense, it has elements of each.
Anarcho-capitalists and libertarians are strongly afflicted with a sense of greed and selfishness. It isn't enough that they can make millions or even billions of dollars in this economy, they believe that this money must be theirs, every penny of it, and that they should only be accountable to themselves. That is why it fills them with such anger at the thought of being forced to help others with their income. To the libertarian mind, poverty is the fault of the poor.
Oh, also, final point that goes without saying: socialism isn't communism. Just like a monarchy isn't a democracy.
I'm surprised you "give a fuck" for those people. Where's the money in you caring? How does it advance your personal interests to care?
Again, I already expressed that military is a government necessity. It is one of the roles of government. How many times?
I have great respect for the men in armed services. My brother in law served in the Marines.
Not sure where you have the right to accuse me that I don't give a fuck for those people.
It's not like you're a bleeding heart who has feelings for others. You'd compost their dead bodies and sell it as manure if you could.
This only shows your childish and immature behavior.
So basically I'm asking, what's your game?
What game?
I think this enables him to perform his function as president very effectively,
If not saluting for those died for this country is effectively, I would love to see what is not effective. OH, YEAH, his economic policies.
I think it is much more respectful to the office that he is working to improve this nation
More government doesn't improve anything. See the trend on the nation is falling.
Sometimes this works, sometimes it fails miserably.
No, all the time.
What Democrats and Obama have done is reform private health care by adding laws banning certain behaviours of private companies
For example, instead of private companies rationing care on individual basis, the government can ration care based on society as a whole.
What he said about taxes was a general statement about reforms, that redistributing wealth is designed to help everyone enjoy a higher standard of living.
Higher standards for those who are not productive. This remains me of something.
In high school, there was this girl, who was irresponsible and had sex and got pregnant. Then, she had to drop out of high school and join the teen pregnancy school, then after taxpayers paid all of her hospital expenses and pregnancy school, she got a job which was difficult because he didn't have a high school diploma. It was min wage because she has no skills. Remember min wage destroys the creation of jobs because the government sets a standard of skills and if you don't have them, you are on welfare. Hence, min wage is a cause of welfare. Government trying to make up for the mistakes it snow balls. Next, she got welfare assistance, heating assistance, free health care, transportation costs all at the expense of taxpayers. How is that beneficial? She didn't create anything new. Government only takes away from productive people and gives to unproductive. How is that a better standard of living? An irresponsible person who is not taking responsibility for her choices. She choose to have sex, and didn't pay the consequences.
To the libertarian mind, poverty is the fault of the poor.
Precisely. Now you are getting, just as the example above.
they believe that this money must be theirs, every penny of it, and that they should only be accountable to themselves.
What I earn should be mine, and what you earn should be yours. Not the deadbeat down the road. Why do you care about the deadbeats, particularly, a father who leaves a pregnant teenage mother?
Oh, also, final point that goes without saying: socialism isn't communism. Just like a monarchy isn't a democracy.
Not a good analogy. Socialism and communism are similar but as different as monarchy and democracy.
Again, I already expressed that military is a government necessity. It is one of the roles of government. How many times?
Doesn't mean you care about the individuals serving.
I have great respect for the men in armed services. My brother in law served in the Marines.
You're selfish, so your respect extends as far as your brother and association with him. You don't care about the people, just that they remind you of him.
Not sure where you have the right to accuse me that I don't give a fuck for those people.
I'm not the one feigning respect so that I may target our great leader.
What game?
You're a self-absorbed capitalist. Where's the money in it for you?
This only shows your childish and immature behavior.
You've told me numerous times, both indirectly and directly that you don't give a damn about anybody about yourself and your immediate family. You've also told me in many ways that money matters a hell of a lot to you. Do the math.
If not saluting for those died for this country is effectively, I would love to see what is not effective. OH, YEAH, his economic policies.
It's typical of libertarians to blame government for fixing problems, or attempting to fix problems that the market caused in the first place. I think it's a way to distract from what caused the problems in the first place. If we're too busy blaming Obama for his economic policies, then we'll ignore that lack of regulations led to the housing bubble and trading of debt.
More government doesn't improve anything. See the trend on the nation is falling.
Sorry, I forgot to specify: improve the country for the working class and middle class. Of course the wealthy have always hated government.
No, all the time.
Except in all those European nations where it has lead to better quality of life.
For example, instead of private companies rationing care on individual basis, the government can ration care based on society as a whole.
It isn't socialised medicine. It is regulated privatised medicine.
Higher standards for those who are not productive. This remains me of something.
The Victorians felt as you did. Their society reflected that. You did research 19th century England?
In high school, there was this girl, who was irresponsible and had sex and got pregnant. Then, she had to drop out of high school and join the teen pregnancy school, then after taxpayers paid all of her hospital expenses and pregnancy school, she got a job which was difficult because he didn't have a high school diploma. It was min wage because she has no skills. Remember min wage destroys the creation of jobs because the government sets a standard of skills and if you don't have them, you are on welfare. Hence, min wage is a cause of welfare. Government trying to make up for the mistakes it snow balls. Next, she got welfare assistance, heating assistance, free health care, transportation costs all at the expense of taxpayers. How is that beneficial? She didn't create anything new. Government only takes away from productive people and gives to unproductive. How is that a better standard of living? An irresponsible person who is not taking responsibility for her choices. She choose to have sex, and didn't pay the consequences.
Socialised medicine would have let her have an abortion for free. Anyway...
Summary: I don't wanna pay for people who make choices I disagree with. They should be confined to the gutter where they belong, because maybe that would motivate everyone to work harder.
I don't really feel the need to give you a full rebuttal because you're basically arguing that people should go without shelter, food, heating and medicine because they aren't supreme worker bees. Most people feel enough empathy (read: are not self-absorbed pricks) that while they might disapprove of a teenager getting pregnant, they disapprove more of a human suffering in the cold of winter, being forced to sell herself to pay for her baby.
Precisely. Now you are getting, just as the example above.
See: Victorian England. I really want to live in a time where the average person died before twenty, children roamed the streets with missing limbs, and water was putrid.
What I earn should be mine, and what you earn should be yours. Not the deadbeat down the road. Why do you care about the deadbeats, particularly, a father who leaves a pregnant teenage mother?
Do I really need to answer that? We did this before already, in England. And in America. It didn't work.
Doesn't mean you care about the individuals serving.
That is a inaccurate assumption, which is entirely unfair and unmerited by you.
I do care. Why? These two wars are totally pointless where we are basically chasing our own tails with the War On Terror. When 4,000 individual men and women die for two wars that don't benefit America economically, which I disagreed from the beginning, yeah, I pretty sure I do care.
You're selfish, so your respect extends as far as your brother and association with him. You don't care about the people, just that they remind you of him.
That is your incorporate assumption. That is why I help him with charity events in his Marine Club with other Marines.
You're a self-absorbed capitalist. Where's the money in it for you?
You are the one who assumes everything is about money. Screaming this and that about wealth and money.
....Do the math.
How is math related? Didn't know mathematical equations where involved? What are the variables?
If we're too busy blaming Obama for his economic policies, then we'll ignore that lack of regulations led to the housing bubble and trading of debt.
That is what they kept telling you.
improve the country for the working class and middle class. Of course the wealthy have always hated government.
Improving the working and middle class is feasible through freedom. How do you think America got to this point. Government? Oh,please, man.
It isn't socialised medicine. It is regulated privatised medicine.
Medicaid and Medicare is socialized insurance. The Obamacare expands Medicaid by 31 million at a price of 900 billion, which is about 23,000 per person, while private insurance provided a family of four at 13,000 a year.
The Victorians felt as you did. Their society reflected that. You did research 19th century England?
The Victorian era of the United Kingdom was the period of Queen Victoria's reign from June 1837 until her death on the 22nd of January 1901. The reign was a long period of prosperity for the British people, as profits gained from the overseas British Empire, as well as from industrial improvements at home, allowed an educated middle class to develop.
Socialised medicine would have let her have an abortion for free
Big fucking deal. The taxpayer still would had to pay for it.
I don't wanna pay for people who make choices I disagree with. They should be confined to the gutter where they belong, because maybe that would motivate everyone to work harder.
Don't worry, even if you make stupid choices in life even if irresponsible, everyone's favorite line, "We're From the Government and We're Here to Help.
If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life. ----Henry David Thoreau
I don't really feel the need to give you a full rebuttal because you're basically arguing that people should go without shelter, food, heating and medicine because they aren't supreme worker bees. Most people feel enough empathy that while they might disapprove of a teenager getting pregnant, they disapprove more of a human suffering in the cold of winter, being forced to sell herself to pay for her baby.
So, what they should be is lazy fucks, and have no independence, and get government handouts for life. COOL, why did I ever have an ambition, where I could I have been a welfare king? WHAT WAS I THINKING?
Do I really need to answer that? We did this before already, in England. And in America. It didn't work.
Once again, this is opinion although you take it as fact. A tail of two stories.
I do care. Why? These two wars are totally pointless where we are basically chasing our own tails with the War On Terror. When 4,000 individual men and women die for two wars that don't benefit America economically, which I disagreed from the beginning, yeah, I pretty sure I do care.
So if the wars benefited America economically?
That is your incorporate assumption. That is why I help him with charity events in his Marine Club with other Marines.
So I was correct.
You are the one who assumes everything is about money. Screaming this and that about wealth and money.
When have I ever cared about money?
That is what they kept telling you.
As opposed to the Real Truth(tm) that you read?
Improving the working and middle class is feasible through freedom. How do you think America got to this point. Government? Oh,please, man.
America got to this point on dreams, chasing after the dream to have a good family, to fight wrong, to pursue that which is good.
See? I can use vague words too. Freedom isn't an argument in and of itself.
Medicaid and Medicare is socialized insurance. The Obamacare expands Medicaid by 31 million at a price of 900 billion, which is about 23,000 per person, while private insurance provided a family of four at 13,000 a year.
Medicare and Medicaid already existed, he improved them AND the private insurance system.
The Victorian era of the United Kingdom was the period of Queen Victoria's reign from June 1837 until her death on the 22nd of January 1901. The reign was a long period of prosperity for the British people, as profits gained from the overseas British Empire, as well as from industrial improvements at home, allowed an educated middle class to develop.
You're forgetting all the dead and diseased throughout the city, and the overworked and hungry. Throughout that period the vast majority of city population was working like slaves.
Big fucking deal. The taxpayer still would had to pay for it.
Which means that thanks to the government, the problem you devised wouldn't exist and we'd save money.
Don't worry, even if you make stupid choices in life even if irresponsible, everyone's favorite line, "We're From the Government and We're Here to Help.
If I were as intellectually lazy as you, I would couch my thinking in quotations.
So, what they should be is lazy fucks, and have no independence, and get government handouts for life. COOL, why did I ever have an ambition, where I could I have been a welfare king? WHAT WAS I THINKING?
Of course, among us are the malignantly narcissistic and the selfish, who have no empathy for anyone. The rest of us want a society where no one needs to fear lying on a street, starving, begging for coins. We want a safety net so that the disadvantaged may seek appropriate medicine or education and then hop back into the workforce.
Once again, this is opinion although you take it as fact. A tail of two stories.
Which means that thanks to the government, the problem you devised wouldn't exist and we'd save money.
Let me add, this girl is now on here four child where now she is officially a welfare queen.
See government handouts only last until the child reaches kindergarten, but since she doesn't want to get a job, she gets pregnant with some deadbeat, and has another child until this child reaches kindergarten. The vicious cycle continues where she lives for free.
If I were as intellectually lazy as you, I would couch my thinking in quotations.
How is using quotations intellectually lazy?
Using quotations is complementary because it additional meaning to my points whereas you points are constantly from the Democratic and liberal rhetoric. Same shit different context.
When it behaves as a substitute for your argument, it is lazy.
Using quotations is complementary because it additional meaning to my points
It can, but in your case it did not. The quote was your argument.
whereas you points are constantly from the Democratic and liberal rhetoric. Same shit different context.
I'm not a Democrat or Liberal. I make arguments that I find most reasonable.
Let me add, this girl is now on here four child where now she is officially a welfare queen.
So because you disapprove of her, people should spend their time panhandling and starving.
There isn't a connection between someone living like a welfare queen and welfare, socialised medicine, food and shelter, unemployment, etc. being unnecessary. At best you are making a perfect solutions fallacy, where because the system doesn't work ideally for everyone, it must be fatally flawed; at worst you are being vindictive at the expense of many lives being ruined.
When it behaves as a substitute for your argument, it is lazy.
That is your opinion, as opposed to what is fact.
It can, but in your case it did not. The quote was your argument.
The Thoreau quote was not by itself. It was coupled by the axiom that government is always there to help even if you are stupid and irresponsible.
I'm not a Democrat or Liberal. I make arguments that I find most reasonable.
Sorry, forgot, Communist.
There isn't a connection between someone living like a welfare queen and welfare, socialised medicine, food and shelter, unemployment, etc. being unnecessary.
Actually, there is a connection. They are a burden to society.
They don't produce any value except take any from those who do produce.
The only welfare assistance is in the absolute desperate measures, and most people are not in those situations such as the loser girl or welfare queen.
At best you are making a perfect solutions fallacy, where because the system doesn't work ideally for everyone, it must be fatally flawed;
Wrong, the system does work for everyone, some refuse to accept the system.
at worst you are being vindictive at the expense of many lives being ruined.
Not my fault on some choices people make. This is what freedom of choice entails.
She made that choice of teenage sex and pregnancy.
It is the opinion of a majority of learned people.
The Thoreau quote was not by itself. It was coupled by the axiom that government is always there to help even if you are stupid and irresponsible.
Still not an argument, unless you intend that I rebut them instead of you.
Sorry, forgot, Communist.
How does it feel to only think in cliches?
Actually, there is a connection. They are a burden to society.
They don't produce any value except take any from those who do produce.
The only welfare assistance is in the absolute desperate measures, and most people are not in those situations such as the loser girl or welfare queen.
Again, this about the necessity of "..." not the desirability of the type of women in your example.
Wrong, the system does work for everyone, some refuse to accept the system.
A topic change instead of an actual rebuttal.
Not my fault on some choices people make. This is what freedom of choice entails.
She made that choice of teenage sex and pregnancy.
This is not about the necessity. I understand that you condone lazy people because it is never their fault because they are the victims.
Part of living in a society is making sacrifices. One of those sacrifices is that we must give a portion of our income to help those who have fallen to misfortune.
How it is simple thinking? It is reality.
"..." social programs assist people from a number of lifestyles and conditions. A subset of these people decide that it is sufficient to live on state allotment however the majority need that payment so that they may reintegrate into society, and it isn't our duty to condemn people for choosing a meager living out of laziness when the stakes are much higher than that.
President Obama is patriotic. He wears a flag lapel on his coat, he salutes the Marines, and he stands during The Star-Spangled Banner. He also visits Arlington National Cemetery to lay a wreath at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier on Memorial Day.