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Science is not "anti-religious." It is not comprised of some sort of evil cabal of men and women who deliberately set-out to disprove religious tenets, or dogma. Rather, science is a process which seeks to find truth. To discern facts. To explain things. How they work, and why they were originated.
It just seems to many religious people that science is against them because it is continually disproving some of their silly ideas. Like a young 6000 y.o Earth. Or a seven-day Creation, as put forth in Genesis. Science proves that trumpet blasts do not destroy fortress walls; Seas do not miraculously part in two sides so people can walk in between; and that itinerant carpenter/philosophers do not rise from the dead after three days. LOL.
Biology; Physics; and Anthropology disprove many of the Old Testament Myths. So the religious fundamentalists perceive science to be an aggressive enemy. When all it really is attempting to do is to explain how things work and rescue people from being psychologically imprisoned by groundless superstition and mythos.
Why aren't at least some animals like us in degree of difference?
Looks like the universe picked one animal on earth to Excell, while all others adapted at a different rate?
If you have several pots of the same original water temperature to boil on the same degree of heat measure, with the differences in the various pots noted as pot sizes and water levels?
Wouldn't you think with some math and measurements that all the pots would boil at the same rate relative to the size and water level without any notable degree of difference between them that can be explained by math and science equation determining the rate of boiling by the size of pot and water level?
But science ignores the degree of difference between man and the entire animal kingdom!!
Actually that's where science gets a 0 for logic!
Explain the degree of difference in man relative to the degree of difference in like creatures.
Then compare that degree to man.
It's not mathematical or scientific!!
It almost feels like Sesame Street logic. That basic!!
Which of these things is not like the other...?
Lion, Jaguar, Bob Cat, House Cat
Polar Bear, Brown Bear, Asian Bear, Sloth Bear
Moose, Caribou, Elk, Deer
Man, Ape
If we take this sampling all animals are relative in degree of difference.
Even the apes degree of difference is relative to the stages of difference all the way down the lists of animals to the house cat.
There are no jumps in degree of difference between any of the animals. They all are adaptive to their habitat and live by the instict needed for survival.
There are 0 a big fat ZERO that are anything near the degree of difference found 100 % through nature that comes close to a reasonable degree of difference stepping up to man.
Then even adaptation, all animals would adapt and improve at a similar degree of difference in improvements. Again it's the same when compared to all animals and then to man!
Here is an example chart of degree off difference, even for man, using the most basic man without any advancements
House Cat --
..........Bear ------
..........Lion ---------
...........Ape -------------
Basic Man -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
...Adv Man ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You - Science is not "anti-religious." It is not comprised of some sort of evil cabal of men and women who deliberately set-out to disprove religious tenets, or dogma. Rather, science is a process which seeks to find truth. To discern facts. To explain things. How they work, and why they were originated.
Me -I didnt say all scientists. But those who deny God, and who don't consider creation as an option. So then through science, they are ever dismissing questions they can't answer to eliminate a valid other option that completes the 1st of creation, the beginning. And let everyone decide for themselves. No matter what the beginning element is it came from somewhere. Now you have some negative charge against a possitive charge that started the 1st spark.
its never ending on scientific excuses to dismiss God as the Creator. You don't believe in God. SlapShot, can you explain the degree of difference to me then?
You -It just seems to many religious people that science is against them because it is continually disproving some of their silly ideas. Like a young 6000 y.o Earth. Or a seven-day Creation, as put forth in Genesis. Science proves that trumpet blasts do not destroy fortress walls; Seas do not miraculously part in two sides so people can walk in between; and that itinerant carpenter/philosophers do not rise from the dead after three days. LOL.
Me - Do you believe Jesus was a liar? Or that He didn't exist?
You - Biology; Physics; and Anthropology disprove many of the Old Testament Myths. So the religious fundamentalists perceive science to be an aggressive enemy. When all it really is attempting to do is to explain how things work and rescue people from being psychologically imprisoned by groundless superstition and mythos.
Me - Actually, the opposite is occurring, I think the Bible is actually confirming that science proves God exists to every point known that is natural in a natural law science, but denies the one who is powerful to do all they see in science, because He can work through science, but still isn't limited by it.
If you are open to the possibility, I will show you. But if you are not then showing you is futile.
I can show you the prophets knew things impossible to know. And I can show you details that show the Bible to be an amazing accurate book that gives both a practical in depth display of fundamental physical principals and also supernatural principals.
The supernatural principles are by faith, like walls of Jericho. But then there is a thread of detailed prophesy that has been fulfilled, and detailed prophesy that will be, and its become clearer and clearer as time is nearer.
So the 1st question is read my posts about the degree of difference and explain your thoughts.
You - Science is not "anti-religious." It is not comprised of some sort of evil cabal of men and women who deliberately set-out to disprove religious tenets, or dogma. Rather, science is a process which seeks to find truth. To discern facts. To explain things. How they work, and why they were originated.
Me -I didnt say all scientists. But those who deny God, and who don't consider creation as an option. So then through science, they are ever dismissing questions they can't answer to eliminate a valid other option that completes the 1st of creation, the beginning. And let everyone decide for themselves. No matter what the beginning element is it came from somewhere. Now you have some negative charge against a possitive charge that started the 1st spark.
its never ending on scientific excuses to dismiss God as the Creator. You don't believe in God. SlapShot, can you explain the degree of difference to me then?
You -It just seems to many religious people that science is against them because it is continually disproving some of their silly ideas. Like a young 6000 y.o Earth. Or a seven-day Creation, as put forth in Genesis. Science proves that trumpet blasts do not destroy fortress walls; Seas do not miraculously part in two sides so people can walk in between; and that itinerant carpenter/philosophers do not rise from the dead after three days. LOL.
Me - Do you believe Jesus was a liar? Or that He didn't exist?
You - Biology; Physics; and Anthropology disprove many of the Old Testament Myths. So the religious fundamentalists perceive science to be an aggressive enemy. When all it really is attempting to do is to explain how things work and rescue people from being psychologically imprisoned by groundless superstition and mythos.
Me - Actually, the opposite is occurring, I think the Bible is actually confirming that science proves God exists to every point known that is natural in a natural law science, but science denies the one who is powerful to do all they see in science, because He can work through science, but still isn't limited by it.
If you are open to the possibility, I will show you. But if you are not then showing you is futile.
I can show you the prophets knew things impossible to know. And I can show you details that show the Bible to be an amazing accurate book that gives both a practical in depth display of fundamental physical principals and also supernatural principals.
The supernatural principles are by faith, like walls of Jericho. But then there is a thread of detailed prophesy that has been fulfilled, and detailed prophesy that will be, and its become clearer and clearer as time is nearer.
So the 1st question is read my posts about the degree of difference and explain your thoughts.
You are religious. You are trying to make yourself to be the LOL god of yourself. Death is pulling you down to Hell in your sins and you think you are the LOL god. Your a big mouth fool, that's all you are. You need to get saved before you wake up in Hell.
What would it take to prove to you that I am right about everything I have ever said here on CB. And you are the deluded one. Living in a personal hell of your own making my squandering your life worshiping a god who does not exist?
I have posted link after link proving science. As well as links by many bible scholars that show how most of the bible is fallacy. I have shown that prayer does not work. I have shown that you have not one ounce of proof for your fantasy sky god.
Tell me what it would take for you to deny god's existence. And I will try to help.
It is you who needs saving, my psychotic friend.
Whoever did this to you, that is, indoctrinated you into your false beliefs, should be ashamed. I consider it cild abuse. A criminal act.
How old are you? Where do you live?
I am a 34 y.o. PhD Biology student, former college hockey player,. living in a suburb of Detroit with my girlfriend, who used to be a cheerleader at the University if Michigan where I played hockey.
I work p/t at my school in the lab, helping undergrad students. I also play drums in a Jazz band in the city. We get paid gigs a few times a month.
I own a 3-br house in Gross Point, a very nice upscale suburb of Detroit.
What about you?
What has your god, and your belief in him done for you?
I will be awaiting your replies. If you are man enough to give them.
You're a pile of wet dust and a fool. You can't make God go away by saying He is not there, you can't invalidate His Word by denying it, you can't exempt yourself from Hell by saying there is no Hell. Just a big mouth fool, and God is going to stop your mouth from spitting evil against Him, and stop your body from polluting His creation with sin when you are forever consumed in your sin in the fire of Hell where sinners must forever be separated from the living. I am forgiven, one day I will be with Jesus, forever changed into His likeness, a new body like Jesus' resurrected body, and never sin again, not in any way....no more weakness in me in that day. You will die in your weakness and it will take you into Hell, sin is your weakness and pride is your condemnation. You know it, somewhere there is a piece in your soul which knows these things are true and you are doing everything you can to put yourself away from the truth because you love your sinning more than life and you are paying more than you want to believe. Just another big mouth fool. Prove me wrong. Hurry, you are running out of time. I really hope you prove me wrong, because I think you are going to be in Hell soon. The only way you can prove me wrong is to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved from Hell, but you won't, will you?
And yet again you refuse and are totally unable to answer ANY of my past questions. All you can do is give psychotic rants. I could say I have an Invisible Fire Breathing Dragon in my garage who will condemn you to hell, and would have just as much proof of that and could answer as many questions about that as you do with your fairy tale sky gods and blind ignorant worship do a long-dead itinerant carpenter who was a bastard son and who care about you, or knows you, not a whit.
LOL.
So very sad. You are squandering your life. What has your sky god ever done for you?
Nothing.
For my money you are the least credible and the weakest member here on CD. Congrats!
I have peace which will take me through suffering with joy knowing what lies ahead for me...knowing heaven is my home and I am going to be with the one who died for me forever, and when I see Him face to face I will be like Him because I will see Him clearly and my imperfections will be gone, because He took all my imperfections, my sins, upon Himself and paid for them with His own blood so my life is covered by His blood and my guilt I am FORGIVEN!!!! I have a grateful heart, so grateful, so thankful to God for His mercy that I do all I can to live in accordance to His law which is always good...His law is love and His gospel is peace.
I have love for all, even my enemies while I hate their evils but desire they come to know God's love and be transformed by it, translated from dying forever into living forever.
I have joy which explodes in shouts spontaneously throughout the day, and frequently in conversation with others and in daily activities when I am reminded that my debt has been paid and my death taken so I don't have to suffer it alone. I have love for truth which causes hearty laughter which shimmers with love's glow. I have confidence to say "Praise God, for He is good" no matter how much I am hurting inside or outside. I have strength to say no to temporary pleasures offered by sin because I know God promises my heart's desire and He will keep His promise.
I wake up each morning singing God's mercy and love. I wake up each morning thanking Him for His mercy and the new day more quickly than I can recall any of the difficulties of life. In sorrow I have comfort, in joys I have stability so when circumstances might dim the joy, the joy remains and the wellspring bubbles again.
I have rivers of living water in me. I have the words of life. I have eternal life. ( I wonder if you would stand up to a jihadist and say Muhammed was a liar...I know I would say it because I know it's true and I know the Truth, Jesus, who has set me free. You would probably bow and beg to be converted to Islam to keep your head on your shoulders. They will provide some sex-slave women for you to make your new life as a Muslim bearable. You might talk now, but when they come to throw you to the lions for refusing to renounce your atheism, my guess is that you will say "God's name is Allah and Muhammed is his prophet". You can say it without believing it. I cannot. I can say nothing but that Jesus Christ is the Living God and if I am asked about Muhammed I have to say he was a liar and most likely is burning in Hell now.).
What you have is NOTHING compared to what I have, and what you as your own savior have done and are doing for yourself is NOTHING compared to what my Savior promises me and has done for me in taking my place in death to give me His place in His resurrection, and all the blessings of heaven will be given to me through Him who loved me and died for me. I have a mansion just over the hilltop where the street is gold so pure it is like crystal, and all my imperfections will be gone and I will have no more faults and nobody to accuse me of any. I have hope which cannot be denied, which moves me toward a sure promise, a hope which makes me unashamed to speak boldly of it to people in all walks of life, and makes me fearless in face of any threats by those who desire to silence me.
He died for you to, and wants to give you all of these things, but you want to be your own savior I guess. Do you know where you are getting yourself?
Pardon my jumbled paragraphs and grammar. Grammar and Composition was the class I hoped would make it all easy for me, but I want it to be perfect if I'm going to work on it and for me I think it takes more time than it's worth. I do intend to write some books if God gives me enough time...only the chores of grammar and composition keep me from doing it. I enjoy personal posting much more, though I suppose the rewards of getting a book published would be much better. It does get tiresome arguing with people who repeatedly say they will never believe God loves them.
Well I suppose that is all very nice for you, all those things you say you have going for you.
But the thing is, I just believe it's all in your head. Your belief that the creator of the Universe and some long dead Nazarene carpenter actually exist, and not only that but listen to your prayers. And care for you, no less! "The Creator of the Universe loves me! He really loves me!" LOL.
Thing is, you have no credibility. You have no proof. You cannot show us one single thing that your god has done for you that cannot be explained by us arguing in turn that it is all i your head.
For example, I could say all those same tings you did, but switch the word "god" or "jesus" to "SATAN." I could go on about how Satan loves me and has a nice home waiting for me and he empowers me and helped me be a decorated soldier and a PhD candidate and have an amazingly sexy drop-dead gorgeous girlfriend. And how joy explodes in my heart and soul because of Satan and his care and love and gifts to me.
Yep--I can say all this and have just as much proof as you do. Which is none, BTW. (Actually I have more than you because I can offer more accounts and reasons why it seems SATAN ius running this world, than you could for the argument that god is.)
I could then go on to say you have noting compared to what I have, because of Satan's love for me. And you could not disprove ANY of it. One iota.
This is why you have no credibility. Why I believe that all of what you claim is simply a raving case of self delusion on your part. You are using an emotional placebo. That's it. Life's terms and life itself and the big bad world are just too cruel for you to try and go it alone. SO you hide in the cloak of an imaginary friend that you call god.
You don't want to here this, of course. You will deny it till the cows come home. You have never ever here answered ANY of my challenge questions on proof of your god, or the evil in the bible, or any of my rails against your religion. All you do is parrot your beliefs that god loves you and you are chosen. I find this lame, And it simply eradicates with me any little bit of credibility for your claims. I consider anybody to harbor beliefs like you to be victims of near-psychotic delusions. Period.
So you are really wasting your time with your messages to me. I find them comical and sort of sad. I suppose you mean well, but hell, so does the psycho on the street corner holding the sign that says the End is Near! LOL.
And, like him and his message, I find yours absurd and laughable. My god SATAN is more powerful than yours. Period. History and the state of the world today show this in spades.
Perhaps it is I who has everything and YOU who have nothing. Except the voices in your head.
Think about THAT!
And please cease in your zealous rants to me. I have heard it all before, ad nauseum, and put forth with far more credibility and thought-provoking ideas than you have ever offered. You are simply bringing nothing new to the table, my deluded friend.
So do us both a favor and save your typing fingers.
Thanks.
PS..and, yeah, not only do I have the courage to tell a radical Muslim that I believe his religion to be murderous and his god allah to be false, but I have done this. In fact, I have done this immediately before shooting him in the face with my M16. Three times, in Tikrit. We also laughed at two of them while we ran over them in our Abrams 1A tank--which I was driving at the time. (I was a 19 Kilo). And we Got out of the tank after and took some pics of these jellied terrorists and hung them in or barracks, with a caption. "We are always happy to be Travel Agents to Allah!" Signed....the 173rd Armored.
You would do well not to ever question my courage, nor threaten me with veiled threats on how I would not speak to you as I have if we were to meet face to face. A face to face meet with me while you have said some of the things you have would indeed be the beginning of one of the worst days of your life.
Because religion often exists, in part, to explain things that are unexplained. Science often finds different explanations that are in conflict with the explanations of those particular religions.
Religion does not seek to "explain" anything. It simply creates its own dogma and mythos--much of which flies in the face or REAL scientific facts--and then criticizes anybody who does not agree with their beliefs. No matter how groundless or silly they may be.
The problem with religion is that it teaches people to be OK with not understanding the real world. How we got here, why we are here. How Evolution works. Instead it creates invisible sky gods to provide a reason for all this. Science uses what we call the Empirical Method to formulate its theories. That is, they observe, test, compare, and test again, all the while exchanging and learning from countless experiments. And THEN science offers the explanations of how or why something works.
Religion does NONE of this. It uses, rather, circular logic. Christians give us an example of this when they say, "It's true because my bible tells me so!" LOL.
But since pragmatic and logical science often disprove the possibility of some of the religious myths--like an Earth created in seven days--religious fundies often perceive Science to be an enemy.
When indeed their REAL enemy is logic anf common sense.
I agree with you, at least in some cases. But traditionally, religion has been used for both moral guidance and explanations of the natural world. The greek myths explained all sorts of natural phenomenon. The Torah and Bible explain how the world came to be. While all your points here are valid, and in some cases, tragic, that doesn't mean that religion isn't trying to explain things.
The problem with religion is that it teaches people to be OK with not understanding the real world.
I think this is a good point that you made, and just want to acknowledge that.
Science teaches the world to be ok with not understanding everything... right now. But they treat not knowing as exciting, and as an opportunity to learn more. Religion often treats not knowing as evidence that religion is valid.
You are only trying to justify yourself to keep yourself out of Hell. You can't do it, but you keep on trying like a fool. You will be held accountable in judgement by Jesus Christ for everything you have ever said, thought, done, or imagined. Just wait and see if you want to find out the hard way.
Religion is man trying to justify himself, trying to prove he has the right to exist outside of Hell. Religion can say God is not there, and Hell is not there, thereby asserting the right to exist free from Hell. It's a false assertion for fools. An atheist is a fool.
Reality is that God loves you so much He took on a body for Himself as the Son of God, the gift of the Father, to die in your place so He can be just to pardon you in His resurrection. This is about JUSTICE...God's justice. We all deserve to die and burn in Hell, God loves us and gave Himself for us to buy us back from the punishment we have earned, He paid our price so we don't have to pay.
You say you are so stinking educated, but these things are easily understood by a child while you reject them and embrace your death hoping to un-exist and/or be free from Hell forever. Your hope of escaping yourself, of escaping God, is a fantasy and you will wake up in Hell if you don't wake up in Jesus Christ first. You did not emerge out of non-life like your fool idols teach you. God gives you life, and you are losing it in dying as a sinner who has turned against God.
God explains life, sin explains death, Jesus Christ explains forgiveness and redemption from the curse of death. Hell explains the existence of sinners. You are trying to avoid reality because it shows you are separated from God by your sin and deserve to die and burn in Hell. You need to get saved. I hope you do, but you won't, will you?
You don't have to believe the truth. You can believe you have the right to live when you don't or you would not be dying. You can believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner and force God to prove you wrong if you want to.
Your points are not "so simple that a child understand them."
Instead, they are so absurd that they are only understood by a child who has been indoctrinated into religion.
Like you.
And even then, you don't really even understand all that stuff about god and heaven and hell and satan. you do not know the mechanics of it. where heaven and hell actually resides. how a man could come back to life. what Satan is made of. LOL
NO..you only parrot what you were told. Were indoctrinated into. Brainwashed into. Or what you read in that fairy tale work you guys call a bible.
Unless a child is brainwashed--like you have been-he or she will not develop the beliefs of god and Satan and heaven and hell. they have to be taught. They are NOT intuitive.
Why? if god was real would not he imbue a baby with the knowledge of his existence? Even at birth. So as soon as the kid could talk he would be telling his parents about god and all that religious hoopla!
Yet. He doesn't. He has to be taught. Brainwashed. Indoctrinated.
Again. as you have been.
For that I am sorry for you.
But you would do well not to question my education. I have continually backed up all I have said with many documented links. And proofs. You offer nothing of the sort, but instead always run back to totally unprovable and groundless ideas that you were taught from the Bible. This is like a student of Greek mythology continually covering his ears with his and and saying, "Nah nah nah, I can't hear you! Zeus really does exist And there IS a Mount Olympus! I don't care if there is NO proof and I can't prove it either!"
Your education is useless as it cannot justify you. You cannot justify yourself. You cannot justify your existence outside of Hell as a sinner. Your sins have separated you from God, and as long as you love your sin you will remain separated from God, and if you don't get saved you will lose everything you know as freedom or goodness in the Lake of Fire. You are trying to prove God wrong, and you are losing. God is not losing, you are. There is no wisdom, nor counsel, nor understanding against the Lord. Everything you think is a good argument against Him is nothing to make Him go away. You can't make Him stop ruling over you, and He will rule against you if you will not reason with Him honestly about your sins and your need of His mercy. You are being an educated fool.
I don't question the amount of schooling you have put yourself through....why should I? I question your common sense. You think you know God is not there, you think you know it is not possible for you to end up in Hell forever, I think you are a fool....and the same goes for all of your colleagues and professors if they talk the same way you do against God.
I heard the gospel when I was a child, clearly understood the meaning and implications, and chose not to believe because I wanted to go my own way with my friends. I knew that if I believed I would have to stop the sinning I was enjoying with my friends. I paid for that bad decision, and you are paying for your bad decision. You can be relieved of the debt you can never possibly repay. You owe God for every moment of your time, and He gets His due. He will keep you in Hell as a sinner, unforgiven, or in Heaven as a saint, forgiven.
I will not run your rabbit trails of scatterbrained beliefs of so-called science which is not science at all but rather a feeble attempt to support the hypothesis of being justified by your own existence. It's futile, and it's all a smoke screen in which the believers think they are getting out of their sins, getting off the hook so they owe God nothing. It's a philosophy of insanity, and I will not entertain it. I have debated all of your arguments for hours with individuals, and watched others do the same in online video and televised debates. For the most part, I think it's a waste of time. The real issue is the one that is urgent...your need of God's mercy. If you will not recognize your need of God's mercy, you will mistakenly take His mercy for granted as you abuse His air by saying He does not care for you until your time is finalized and you find yourself unable to know anything good from Him in Hell.
You brainwashed religious wackos always hand me a laugh.
So thank you for that, before I proceed.
LOL.
See, you cal science "scatterbrained" and meaningless. That is, IF it contradicts your groundless and mythological beliefs system. Like is the Science of Biology or Chemistry or Anthropology proves that Evolution is true and that there is no evidence--or reason!--for your sky gods.
Lime my friend who I play hockey with, he's a religious fundie. He believes the Earth is only a couple hundred thousandth years old, not 4.6 Billion, which it is. He claims all those methods or radiometric dating--there are dozens!--which PROVE the billions-of-years age of rocks and fossils are wrong! Erroneous! Skewed! (never mind the fact that if they were wrong, they would most likely not agree with each other, but would be "all over the place." But they DO agree.
Anyway, yeah, guys like him and you. You have the temerity to denigrate science if it destroys your biblical and faith-based beliefs. YET, you EMBRACE science every day! The computer you type your tripe on. Your video games; your TV. The heat in your home that keeps you warm; the car you drive to work; the medications you take. The science of Construction Engineering that built your home and all you see around you. The microwave you nuked you hot pocket in last night.
LOL---ALL SCIENCE. And you embrace it and revel in it. And do not for a minute doubt it's veracity and its importance.
Yet, when it derides your faith, your delusions, you insult it. And run to your bible. Like a little girl with a skinned knee running home to mommy.
And, as a man of science, who has spent a lot of money and worked hard to get to where I am--I am currently a post-grad student in the process of getting my Ph.D in Biology--I resent it. You insult ALL educated people here with your fairy tale thinking. "God's Mercy?" LOL. Yahweh's mercy? I could say "the Easter Bunny's" mercy and it would mean just as much. There is just as much proof for it as there is for Yawheh.
And that is: NONE.
If you want to peddle your delusions please do it where they belong, on a religious forum. Stay out of my science threads.
Science does not contradict the Bible. Only the non-scientific beliefs of people, some of whom are professional scientists while they hold non-scientific beliefs and pretend their beliefs are reality when in reality they cannot be proved by science because science cannot disprove God. God created all things and to dispel Him by observing the things He created is in reality not possible. You can believe God is no there and be a fool if you want to.......and all the education and power the world can offer won't get you out of being a fool.
As if your belief in evolution is observable, testable, repeatable. You are believing things as supports of your basic belief, your basic belief being that you are self-justified so you have the undeniable right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell. This is the false hope of evolution, that your life justifies itself simply because it exists. Your dying should be enough proof that this belief is an error, but you just keep on running your mouth all the way to Hell saying it can't be there because you don't want it to be there.
George Washington crossed the Potomac. Did you see the photographs of him doing so? No. Can you bring George Washington out of the grave and make him show you how he crossed the Potomac, or even the Delaware? Can you observe George Washington doing it? No. It is not an event that can be proven by science. It's history. People who were there kept the record and passed it on.
You don't believe Jesus is God, alive forever after rising from the dead, because you don't want Him to be your ruler. Even though He created you, you believe you can deny Him of His ownership right over His creation, including you, and do whatever you feel like doing whenever you feel like doing it. The problem is, every desire and every thing you have can be deprived from you at any moment, so you do not have the right to do as you please. Soon you will stand before the Judge, and you won't have an excuse for your evils, and your existence won't cause God to respect your desire to be free from Hell as a sinner. Go on being what you want to be if you think you can win against God. You're evil, and you think you are good. Your diabolical and you think you are smart. Your an idiot heaping God's wrath on you more and more and rejecting His offer of pardon through faith in the blood of His Son.
You always want to run rabbit trails avoiding the reality of not having the right to exist outside of Hell.
Saying there is no Hell won't keep you out of it, and saying God is not there will not prevent Him from Judging you. You're a fool and I'm getting tired of trying to talk sense to you. If you want to learn about Hell the hard way, go ahead.
As if your belief in evolution is observable, testable, repeatable.
Yep. It is.
You always want to run rabbit trails avoiding the reality of not having the right to exist outside of Hell.
I think i want to address this, because you keep saying it and I have yet to realize that you're sort of right.
You are correct. I don't think humans have a 'right' to anything, persay, but I don't think that anyone should suffer eternal torment. And I'm worried and somewhat disturbed by the fact that you think everyone you meet should die and experience pain forever.
Well, I guess I can observe evolution happening in you. First you were a pirate, then an eel, and now you are a dog, a talking dog. Did you know that the Bible calls sodomites "dogs"?
The LORD is my shepherd. He will lead me safely home to be with Him forever in Heaven.
When dogs are used to herd sheep, they are used under command of the shepherd. If the dog will not obey the shepherd, it will be removed and put away from the sheep.
I have a Shepherd, and I know He loves me and keeps me as His forever, and gives me eternal life. I am one of His sheep. The Good Shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. He gave His life for me, He is risen from the dead and I will follow Him forever and trust His provision knowing it's good beyond imagination in Heaven.
You can be a dog all you want to. Ruff, Ruff, Fido.
A shepherd is a manager of sheep. Jesus is the Good Shepherd who gave His life for His sheep.
A herder who is not a shepherd is not herding sheep. As far as I know, there is no word other than herder to describe a manger or cows or a manager of swine.
I guess you can say they are all herders, but that is not the point. The point is that a child tried to say it's an insult for a person to be called a sheep. Well, if your shepherd is no good, then I guess it would be an insult. My Shepherd is The Good Shepherd, and it is good to be one of His sheep because I know He will satisfy me perfectly.
People who have no shepherd are like lost sheep....they'll die without a shepherd because they are not very bright animals.
That's the issue, you think you are smarter and better than God. You are a fool. You will know Jesus Christ as your Savior or you will know Him as your Judge and be cast away forever as a sinner who is against his creator. You're a fool, I hope you wake up before it's too late.
wow--you are very easy to beat in a debate. to prove wrong. you give me very little competition here, which i find disappointing. I continually provide links that destroy your arguments. but you ignore them. typical head-in-the-sand religious zealot tactics.
you're gonna have to ramp-up your game several notches if you want to hang with me. I am the Way.
The Truth. The Light.
LOL.
here..try this. you say Science does not contradict that book of fairy tales you call a bible?
You are trying to deny God's right to rule over you. You are fooling yourself. You are winning nothing but death, dying with no way out, and propelling yourself into the Lake of Fire where you will know nothing good from God ever again.
If you think you won the debate with me, fine. You don't answer to me on Judgement Day...and you know that day is coming. That's why you fight so hard against it. You know you have no way to stand through the Judgement of God, so you try to fool yourself into believing in your own pride as the justification of your life of sin. You will be cast down in your pride. You could humble yourself before God now and know His mercy, but you will probably force Him to cast you down in your pride, won't you? Laugh out loud all you want to while you can.
IF judgement day ever came, which it will not, I WOULD LOL. I would be laughing as I butt-fucked jesus while my friend Satan and his minions laughed. Then we would kill us some angels and go ransack Heaven before returning to the World--which we would then control--for a few cold ones.
Judgement Day is coming. There is no if. It is appointed once to a man to die, and after this, the Judgment. God said it and you don't have to believe it until you stand before Him in Judgement and you will bow to Him if you like it or not. Me, I like it. I will bow to Him gratefully for what He did for me, for creating me and dying for my sins to save me from Hell. My sins are covered by His blood, He lives and sees I am covered, He covered me. You will stand before Him naked and all your sins and guilt exposed with no reason for God to overlook your sins since you are trying to cover them yourself in death. He will give you what you want, death, but you won't like it dying in Hell forever the same as you are dying forever now. You think you are so smart and strong, you are a pile of wet dust and a fool.
Because you exist, you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell I guess. Why should you be allowed to exist outside of Hell? Can you give me one good reason why you should be allowed to exist outside of Hell? You can't, can you? Saying Hell is not real won't keep you out of it, will it?
Why is it so hard for fools to see they are being foolish? Who has you in the dark?
Issued by President George Washington, at the request of Congress, on October 3, 1789
By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.
Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and — Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"
Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted; for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.
And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations, and beseech Him to pardon our national and other trangressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally, to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.
HOW COME therefore that religion is so determined in denying science?
I'm not saying all religious people, but most.
LIKE
Homosexuals are sick, THEY AREN'T
Creationism - WELL NO
There's no more creatures than us , We are special, God's only beings. (And I though you're supposed to be humble, ha)
And a lot of things more, through all our history. Killing scientists, refusing explications that are not theirs, killing freedom of thinking and expression, indoctrinating people. Do you want more?
Leave science alone. In fact, you can think as it doesn't exist, or just believe what it's convenient to you, as you want - but let the rest of the world evolve and do awesome things in peace. Please.
What planet do you live on? Pluto, in the city of Sodom? Why don't you watch the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate, when Ken Ham whose academic achievements rival or surpass Bill Nye's, and the fool Nye, like you, implies that believing in Jesus as God the Savior and believing the Bible as His Word is for people who don't like "science". Ham gives a list, a brief list, of people, institutions, discoveries, and inventions who were founded firmly in Biblical beliefs.
The people who are trying to kill freedom of speech are people like you, who are doing all they can to silence the Word of God and people who believe it. Men who use other men's bodies for sexual gratification are sick in the head. I don't know how each individual became a sicko like that, but most of them were molested as children and had poor parental guidance and/or protections.
You are being religious, trying to deny God and make yourself the god of yourself.
Religion is man trying to please God in order to ascertain existence free of eternal punishment. Reality is knowing God. I live in reality. You are dying in your religion, on your way to Hell, and God loves you and is trying to get you to trust Him to be saved from Hell.
I believe it is the other way around: religion is anti-science. Religion has tried to explain all unexplained phenomena as supernatural. When science comes around and begins rationally explaining these phenomena, religion gets scared. Religions are usually intricate webs of lies with no support other than faith. When that faith turn out to be wrong, rather than accepting the falsity of that belief and question their faith, they decide to double down on that belief and call science "heresy", "blasphemy", or "just a theory." Then the scientist is usually burned at the stake or shot or car-bombed etc
Science isn't anti religious, not anti-anything really except maybe anti ignorance. The goal of science it to quantify in some way through repeatable experiments and observations the world around us. One who is anti religious may use science as explanations as to why they disagree with religions though. This is because science posits ideas that conflict with the claims of religion at times.
And this is why religions can be anti science sometimes. One is not very likely to change their beliefs if changing that belief would invalidate so much more they thought they knew, so instead people double down on their currently held beliefs. Religion has a long history of attacking the sciences, that is their intent is to undermine the sciences or stifle their claims.
I would say "Why is science SO anti-religious?" is a framing that is supposed to deter people from following or learning about science.
No claim from science is inherently meant to take down religion but to instead understand something we can observe.
Science is not so much "anti-religion" as it is anti-ignorance. I couldn't have said it better.
Science has not time for religion. It doesn't care. LOL. It only counter-attacks it when the religious zealots get in the way of true knowledge and logic with their fairy tales.
What you are referring to as "science" is a religion. You can't even see that you are following a belief system trying to deny God. It's all about justifying yourself. That's all your "science" religion is. It's an attempt to fool yourself into believing you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner and God can't do anything to stop you from existing outside of Hell. It's dumb. When science sticks to facts and does not pretend that hypothesis and beliefs are established facts, then it's true science. False science inserts beliefs and is never able to reach the truth.
Science is anti-Christ when the scientists hate God. This is a brainwashed generation pumped up with pride through television and disinformation promoted through modern media and the public schools.
You do not have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, and Hell will be your eternal abode as a sinner if you don't get saved from it. Thinking you have science to disprove God and prove it is not possible for you to go to Hell is foolishness.....no matter how much education is added to it, it's foolishness.
Religion is usually anti science. Science is directly observable, so it can't really be denied. Since religion tends to be anti science it is hard to believe in both.
Religion doesn't have to be anti science though. If religion embraces science you will find that science doesn't actually conflict with religion.
Religion is all about faith and the definition of faith is: "strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof".
On the other hand, science is based on observation and proof obtained from scientific observations.
The two clearly contradict each other because one requires you to believe in something (religion) without proof (science) while the other requires you to make distinct observations (science) which the other has no upholding of (religion).
You are living by a misguided faith believing that you will not be punished in death and will not be held accountable in death for the wrongs you have done.
Your faith is telling you that you get off the hook in death...and you really don't know what you are talking about. I guess your just have to finalize your death and find out for yourself, won't you? You will have to be burning in Hell unable to escape before you believe it's real, won't you?
I love coming here and destroying your Faith. Your arguments for god and for religion.
I use credible and knowledgeable links for all too see. I use facts. I use logic. Like Science. Which is MY god.
And I am about to do it again.
LOL--I bet the day I came here to CB was the worst day of your life. Eh, mate?
But I am really trying to help you. Save you from a wasted life.
So....along those lines, I got a question for you: Why does your god not help his most faithful? Why does he not reward his most devout? instead it would seem that he punishes them.
Ya see...I am gonna show you a Gallup Poll survey that shows you that the most religious nations of the world are also the poorest.
Why?
And that the most atheist ones are usually the riches, and enjoy the highest qualities of life.
Why?
why does your god allow this? he seems to be pretty lame, not to reward his own followers. So why pray or worship? seems to be a huge waste of time.
Wrong again. Please don;t tell me what I believe. You know nothing.
I have no faith. As I explained in another post, I have only expectations based on past experience. I have opinions based on results and facts. This is far different from faith, which is a belief DESPITE any evidence.
Either you believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, or you do not believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner. Saying there is no Hell is the same as saying you believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell. It's simple logic. I don't see any lack of evidence proving what you believe. All I see is that you can't honestly state your beliefs without flying into a rage....LOL
You believe you have the right to exist free of Hell. Just say it.....you think that your dying is proving Hell is not there because you have not seen or been in Hell yet. It's dumb stuff you believe, thinking you know more than God and by saying He is not there, and Hell is not real, you have proof of being justified to be outside of Hell. You need to stop telling the world how great you are and look at where you are going separated from God by your sins. You need to be saved. You won't be saved if you won't listen to God calling you.
You are like a man floating in the middle of the ocean, and God is calling your name while you insist you must be hallucinating because you can't see Him....so keep cursing Him as you float aimlessly because you don't believe He can and/or will save you from going down. If He trued to pull you up against your will, you would fight against Him so He's letting you float around to think about it.
You broke His trust, He never has and never will break yours if you trust Him...but you are too tough for God, aren't you? You are sure it is not possible for you to be permanently rejected by God as a sinner, aren't you?
The fact is that you are dying and need to be saved or you will be lost. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
I've heard atheists say the weirdest and goofiest things about dying, talking about beliefs without facts....things like "we live forever, because our bodies rot into the ground and the organic compounds are recycled by other organisms, so death is a beautiful part of life's beauty" and saying it with the goofiest sparkly eyed dizzy headed .....probably smoking weed.
You're a liar. Everybody acts according to their faith. You believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell, so you do whatever sin feels good or gratifies whenever you feel like it. People who get hurt by your actions can just deal with it, because you think you can't be punished in death, and death relieves you and everybody the same, so why should you care? Make your own rules to suit yourself, or make no rules at all. You believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell and God can't rule over or against you, so why should you care?
Your beliefs are very simple, really....simply evil, turned away from and against God and taking you to
Hell, and you think it's not possible for you to end up in Hell, and you remain a Hell-bound fool insisting there is no need to be saved and no Savior who can save you. You need to wake up before it's too late and you wake up in Hell.
You have shown yourself to be an extremely dirty and foul person, and I guess I've tried to tell you enough. You have heard the gospel of Jesus Christ clearly enough and rejected Him. I don't see why I should keep trying to get through to you. If God can't get a ray of light into your darkened mind, I sure can't.
And your belief is that everyone you meet deserves eternal suffering. I personally define 'evil' based on how one's thoughts and actions impact others. And thinking everyone you meet deserves suffering doesn't particularly fit into the 'good' category in my brain.
Your expectations are your faith. You expect to be paid for work you do, you have faith in the person who is paying you that they will pay. You expect to be free of punishment in death, you expect it all to be over.....or you expect to exist forever outside of Hell. You have faith. To insist you don't is a lie. Everybody has faith, and most people are misguided like you in that faith believing they have the right to exist outside of Hell while they are sinners.
1. You are correct, faith is like that of what your represented.
2. But then you forget that Athiests don't believe in God or afterlife, PERIOD!!!
3. We don't believe that we will "live outside of hell", simply because hell (or heaven) does not exist.
4. If someone believes something with all their heart and tell others that (wether they are wrong or not) it is not a lie. It is not lying because if it was then you would be saying we knew god(s) existed. But god(s) simply don't exist.
You're on the nutso side. There are some atheists here who put up more rationale discussions than you. You need to read your Bible more and commit your works to the Lord so your thoughts will be established built on solid rock in agreement with God who's word never returns void.
1. Fuck God, fuck the Bible, fuck Christians, fuck the ideology of a possibility of god(s) existing. It is because of Christians like you that I began to teeter off of Christianity and into Atheism (and then the excessive amount of proof of evolution made me change beliefs).
2. I fully agree, I suck balls once it comes to being able to debate (the reason I joined a debate website, to learn to debate better).
3. I don't need to do anything with religion! Why? Because it's all a cult.
If you believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell, you are lying to yourself. If you tell others that they have the same right, you are lying to them. Your brain is so scrambled you can't even admit that you believe you have the right to exist with no Hell. Saying there is no Hell is believing you have the right to exist free from Hell.
Atheists do everything they can to avoid being pinned down to admit what they really believe because what they really believe is foolish. They try to hide this with angry outbursts against God and against people who love God.
Stop believing in Ray Comfort. He is a trickster and wrong. Go look at the fossil record and stop responding to people you have already responded to that haven't had a chance to respond again.
In the video you threw your cry-baby tantrum against, Comfort is interviewing PhD college professors, elite "minds" of evolution and atheism, and they are being made fools of by being pinned down with direct questions which force them to admit they are believing blindly in things they have never and never can see. You were banned from that discussion for disrupting from the start.
Atheism is foolishness, evolution is blind faith and both of them are simplistic belief systems which are easy to make look foolish. The trick is in getting the believers in atheism and evilootion to admit that they are believing things they cannot observe....then they look like fools.....and they get mad and frustrated trying to prove they are intelligent and not fools. Doctoral degrees don't help.
In the video you threw your cry-baby tantrum against
I didn't throw a cry baby tantrum you retard. I started explaining how Comfort is wrong and you banned me for watching the video.
Comfort is interviewing PhD college professors, elite "minds" of evolution and atheism, and they are being made fools of by being pinned down with direct questions which force them to admit they are believing blindly in things they have never and never can see.
Why doesn't he interview Dawkins? Those professors are not the elite minds of evolution and Atheism. They don't have to deal with idiots like Comfort who think they can discredit evolution by asking questions. Those professors don't have to defend the crazy objections of evolution that only a nutjob like Comfort can come up with.
The trick is in getting the believers in atheism and evilootion to admit that they are believing things they cannot observe
And, the way you do it is by claiming that things that are observed can't be observed.
Doctoral degrees don't help.
No degree helps against idiots. No matter how educated you are, if you are talking with someone who is uneducated they will not understand what you are saying.
I consider myself to be a sinner in constant need of God's mercy, and I know I have been granted His mercy as He took my punishment on Himself as the Son of God and He is risen from the dead and I am forgiven of my sins. I am justified for eternal life by Him, He is my life. I deserve to burn in Hell for being a sinner but I am forgiven. It's very simple. You don't have to get a Ph.D. to understand the gospel, the good news of Jesus Christ. You can have eternal life now. It's the gift of God through Jesus Christ to all who repent and believe on Him. Receive God's gift of eternal life and you will have eternal life and be saved from your sins, death, and Hell. What do you want? You want death to prove Hell is real and sinners belong there?
There is only one thing new in this world, and it is new every moment...God's mercy. It is only by His mercy that your life continues. He can deny you of that mercy at any moment, and you are being a fool daring Him to prove it to you. Wake up before you wake up in Hell. Seek the Lord while He may be found. Don't be a fool.
So, since you don't even consider yourself an elite when it comes to Christianity, what makes you think that every professor and student of science represents the elite?
Are you retarded? There is only one person in all of Creation who deserves honor. He is the One who gives you the ability to type, read, speak. You are trying to deny His rightful ownership over you. You want to be your own owner forever, and there is only one place you can do that....the Lake of Fire, where you will own your own words and memories with all the shame, guilt, and regret forever unforgiven. Go ahead and keep on trying to prove me wrong and let's see how long it takes before you realize you have been a fool.
Ok, nevermind, the college professors who teach atheism in biology and astronomy and anthropology and such things are not elites of atheism but rather are fools who fell for the teachings of elite fools who are far smarter than they are.
Am I the only person who sees you are childish? What kind of social misfit are you? I hope you don't hurt yourself or anybody else...it might help if you plant a garden or get some pets and take care of them.
You are a sick person. You think I would kill pets and you think it is a good idea for me to do it. What kind of a sicko would wish that on a poor defenseless animal?
I called them elites, and you said they are not elites. What are they? Are they duped? or are they average idiots like yourself?
Yes I called you childish because you almost always respond to me in a pitifully childish fashion. I have to believe you have some serious social problems.
I really think Comfort spends too much time dancing around the main issue....that issue being a person's belief in being self-justified to exist outside of Hell. Evolution and Atheism are religious beliefs which give the practitioners a feeling of being justified to live by nature. Moral culpability means nothing in those beliefs, except for what the believer feels like going along with at any given moment.
But who am I to criticize? Comfort is doing a great job, almost 2.5 million views of the Atheism VS God movie on youtube, and he's working at getting the movie distributed on DVD on college campuses around the country.....that will be a tough sell since the college professors, intellectual elites, on his DVD, are being made fools of.
Go look at the record of things you have done that were wrong, and guess what you get for doing those things. If you guess "death and Hell", you are correct. If you repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, you will be forgiven and have eternal life and your record won't be held against you as it is now forever.
When will I look at the record of things I have done that were wrong? I look at that record often and I do what I can to make amends. That record will be fully exposed in the Judgement. God Himself died in my place as the Son of God, so my wrongs were paid for in full and I am covered by His blood. I am pardoned from Hell, but have lost some of the rewards I could have had in Heaven if I had not done the wrongs I did. Try to think logically for yourself.
If you believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell, you are lying to yourself.
How is it possible to live outside of something if I don't believe in it?
If you tell others that they have the same right, you are lying to them.
You cannot lie to someone if you believe what you are saying.
Your brain is so scrambled you can't even admit that you believe you have the right to exist with no Hell.
I believe simply that there is no god(s), if there is no god(s) than how can hell or heaven exist? That means I don't believe I have the right but rather that when I die there will be nothing, unthinkable experience because even thinking of nothing is something.
Saying there is no Hell is believing you have the right to exist free from Hell.
Correcting your statement: Saying that hell does not exist is indeed believing that you will not go to hell.
Believing that hell does not exist (nor heaven) is not believing I have the right to live outside of hell. How can you have the right to live without something if it doesn't exist?
Atheists do everything they can to avoid being pinned down to admit what they really believe because what they really believe is foolish.
How old are you? Your mindless if you believe that Atheists believe there is no god(s).
They try to hide this with angry outbursts against God and against people who love God.
That's a pretty brainless definition of faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.....for example....
When you are typing a message here, you BELIEVE that when you are finished and hit "submit", the message will be posted in the forum. Faith is the action you are taking as you move toward your goal. You are acting in hope of reaching your goal. The proof of your faith is that you know others have posted, and you know you have posted before, so you believe that as you type your message will be posted again, though there is NO PROOF until it is actually posted. You still acted in faith believing the proof you expect makes the effort to be worth the time you put in as you typed in faith.
Jesus showed Himself alive after He was crucified and buried by "many infallible proofs". The empty tomb was one of the first proofs. The tomb was sealed with a Roman seal and guarded by Roman Soldiers who normally would have been put to death for failure of duty if the sealed tomb was opened. Their assignment was to prevent Jesus' disciples from taking away the body. It was important to the Jews that proof remained of Jesus's humanity by keeping His body entombed. It was not possible for death to hold Jesus, and after He came out of the tomb alive the soldiers who were supposed to be put to death for failure of duty were paid large sums of money to say the disciples had stolen the body while they slept....likely story when the tomb was sealed by a huge stone that was rolled down into a rut which held it against the door of the tomb. He was seen alive by over 500 at one time, ate with some, invited Thomas to put his fingers in the nail holes in His hand, and thrust his hand into the hole left by the Roman Spear when His body was hanging on the cross.......for forty days He visited with them, taught them, proved Himself exactly as He said before He was crucified, and then rose to heaven as they watched a cloud receive Him out of their sight. He will return. I know He's alive, I know He is God, I know my sins are forgiven and I'm going to heaven because God Himself paid for my sins with His blood and rose from the dead so I am forgiven, believing on Him has changed my life forever and it's not my life anymore, it's His life. I have eternal life and act in faith expecting fulfillment of God's promise which is eternal life through Jesus Christ. God cannot lie and has promised eternal life to me. I live by faith and act according to that faith.
Atheists live by faith believing they are exempt from Hell so it really does not matter what they do with their time. That's why Ernest Hemingway the famous atheist blew his brains out with a shotgun. He had enough of life's pains and figured he could escape his futility by killing himself. That's a stupid faith to live by, or to die by, or exist by, or whatever an atheist claims they are doing.
You compare hitting a "submit" key here on CD to having Faith in a sky god? Or a long-dead human itinerant carpenter who magically came alive and now sit up there with his dad and listens to your prayers?
LOL.
So...here is where your comparison fails. And fails miserably.
When I hit the submit button here, I DO believe that it will work and that what I type here in this window will appear in the debate so you guys can read it. Yes, I DO have Faith in that process.
But why do I? And this is the big difference between your faith and mine, so please pay attention. I have faith from past results! Because I have hit that button over 100 times since I been here, and it has worked every time!
Just like I might have faith that my motorcycle will start when I hit the starter button in a few minutes when I leave for lunch. Why? Because my bike has a new battery and it has started unfailingly every time for that past several weeks.
This is, though, contrary to what you claim, not even really faith. It is a reasonably expectation based on numerous past results.
Whereas your brand of faith is groundless. You have never seen your god, or heard him speak, or really even see him do anything for you. You have nothing you can show us. No proof. Not even a hint you can share. Only your own thoughts and beliefs.
Faith is a belief despite lack of evidence. This is what you have with your god.
But we have many many evidences of our cars starting or the submit button working here on this forum. So we have the evidence--many many times--that justifies our expectations.
And you do not.
You would do well not to call somebody brainless next time, when you retort is wrong and unfair itself. It damages your credibility, Which is already very low since you believe in mythos and fairy tales.
True, but science can not explain why. There is no evidence for the why. That's what religion can explain without interfering with science. Religion does not require you to accept everything on faith. You are allowed to understand how things work and still believe in your religion.
Many aspects of science, and things that we prove, render various beliefs that some religious people have as wrong. False. Untrue.
Thus, one is not allowed to understand truly how things work and still be religious. Well, at least not a fundamentalist.
The science of medicine and Biology and chemistry prove to us that human beings do not revive form being dead after three days.
The science of physics, Geography, and ocean Biology prove to us that Seas do not suddenly split apart to form a passageway and allow entire tribes of people to pass through.
The science of Astronomy proves to us that the sun does not stop in the sky so some minions of a fictional sky god can have more time to slaughter their enemies. In fact, it shows us that it is the Earth that revolves around the sun, and not the other way around.
LOL.
The science of acoustics and materials science both show us that fortress walls do not collapse due to the feeble waves of compressed air that emit from a trumpet note.
Region hurts understanding more than it helps. Like Dr. Richard Dawkins says, "The problem I have with religion is that it tells people it's OK not to understand the world."
Religion has gone so far as to suppress science and discovery and progress! Like when Galileo confirmed some of Copernicus' theories about the solar system being heliocentric and not geocentric. They wanted to kill him at first! Unless he recanted!
Actually, I think religion is Anti-science. Religion believes in a god making all things while science pretty much the opposite. So religious people probably are against science.
I'm a some what religious person. I love god and stuff. I can tell you religious people are not anti-science. I love science we don't just believe that whatever god made everything we believe he gave us the knowledge of figuring these amazing things.
Well... I did notice science is pretty anti-religious. I believe its because scientist dont really think there is like a god. Like the big bang theory... The religious people think its like god and the 7 days and stuff like that. I guess scientist are to scared to believe there is something greater out there besides science, math, gravity, and mass etc.
What anti-God scientists are scared of is more than believing their is something greater than their own intellects. They are afraid they are not good enough for God...and I even venture to say they KNOW they are not good enough for God and by His holy nature they would be repelled away from Him when He is the only source of goodness. They are afraid they are going to lose everything in Hell, so they do everything they can to deny that God demands justice in everything they have ever said, done, or imagined.
The number of scientist who believe the Biblical account of God and Creation are small, but there are some who have accomplished great things in scientific discovery and invention, such as the man who invented the MRI machine which revolutionized modern medicine.
You answered the question of the OP accurately and very well. Good for you.
Because Science relies on hard, evidence based facts and not on faith. And also considering that in most places people have different religions, you'd definitely run into conflict. You can say "God created the world" in a science, but people would ask questions, and without any solid evidence can you really get people to believe you?
Issued by President George Washington, at the request of Congress, on October 3, 1789
By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.
Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and — Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"
Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted; for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.
And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations, and beseech Him to pardon our national and other trangressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally, to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.
Science is trying to understand something and the knowledge it gains is a by-product of that procedure. Religion is just there, it does not look for something, it has a set or rules and that is it. It does not look for something or try to understand it.
True science is just science observing an anticipating answers to a final conclusion
Many scientist tend to be atheist because their personalities are analytical.
This science dismisses possibilities of anything that can't be proven in a petri dish. So scientist try to disprove the author and finisher of science, in order to prove an analytical conclusion, not because it is also a reasonable argument, but because proving God is not possible to their natural minds.
Yet they will explain hard evidence of God, by data that really isn't sound science.
Scripture says they exchange an image for an image.
Science has literally performed this scripture.
We are made in the image of God, but to the scientist who denies creation they change the image of God to an image of a creature, the ape!
Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth
in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of
God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than
the Creator, who is blessed forever.
What would it be like if God didn't really exist?
What if there was no Maximality, no Maximum Greatness, no Maximum Potential, and no Maximum Excellence to give form to abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence?
Who then created abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence?
What are the biological building blocks found in petri dish of nature are considered the building blocks of abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence that we see various degrees?
If we are absent of a Creator, then what elements, cells, organisms or particles, and compounds were initially deposited into the earth at the beginning of our world's conception to form the building blocks for abstract qualities?
Or of conscience judgement?
Or of superior intelligence?
If there are specific cells or elements are used as building blocks which later evolved to human abstract qualities, conscience judgement, or superior intelligence then wouldn't it be a reasonable scientific expectation as well as a logical conclusion that these same building blocks should also easily be seen throughout all living mammals, and also naturally present within our complex natural environment?
Or at the very least a diverse samplings with a similar evolutionary outcome from using those same building blocks with
a relevant degrees of differences from man down to the lowest form of mammal?
We are made in the image of God, but to the scientist who denies creation they change the image of God to an image of a creature, the ape!
Here is why scientists are atheists. Retards (sorry, religious people) say that God wasn't smart enough to create evolution (science). When religious people reject science you have to reject religion in order to learn how God works.
That's not true I actually confirmed God more through what is known in science.
It blows my mind how small science is to the God who created it all.
I don't think it's necessary for a person of faith to see science that way, and faith can be as basic as a true 7 day 24 hour understanding
Or embrace the complications of the universe and see the power of God through His design.
The bottom line really is to be like children, Jesus says we must be like children to enter His Kingdom.
Children simply believe! But children see the world many ways some see it as basic and just enjoy everything nature has to offer, and some learn the depth of the bug they found in the yard.
I am not very scientific, but the understanding I do have, offers another level of excitement in my faith. And I thank science for proving what I already knew, that God without a doubt exists!
That's not true I actually confirmed God more through what is known in science.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. You denied science. Accepting some science and ignoring other science makes you less scientific. And, you haven't shown anything about God.
It blows my mind how small science is to the God who created it all.
It blows my mind that religious people reject what God created then claim that they believe God created it.
The bottom line really is to be like children, Jesus says we must be like children to enter His Kingdom.
Hey, you got something right, you are childish.
I think it is hilarious to reject science and to believe you should be a child that just believes everything. If you want more religious scientists stop claiming there is a conflict with science and God.
I'm not rejecting science on the contrary I an showing how God created it as shown in science. And because He is pure Light many mysteries aren't as mysterious.
So it should be easy to believe in God especially with science!
Why aren't at least some animals like us in degree of difference.
Looks like the universe picked 1 on earth to Excell, while all others adapted at a different rate.
If you have several pots of the same original water temperature to boil on the same degree of heat measure, with the differences in the various pots noted as pot sizes and water levels.
Wouldn't you think with some math and measurements that all the pots would boil at the same rate relative to the size and water level without any notable degree of difference between them that can be explained by math and science equation determining the rate of boiling by the size of pot and water level?
But science ignores the degree of difference between man and the entire animal kingdom!!
God could have created the world and the universe any way He chose. Who am I to question God on why He chose to work 1 way over another?
All through the Bible Jesus and the prophets refer to planting, roots growing, deep, softening the ground, watering, cultivating ... etc.
If you look at Genesis, a comment Good made introducing His creation of man, is there is no one to cultivate it... so He made man, then went and planted an exclusive garden to the East and then placed man into it to care for it.
So we see an element of God's work ethics here.
The only plant I recall God speaking into being was the tree that grew quickly to shade Jonah, which God let wither and die in as quick a time.
So I think creation the way God did it was on purpose. And 1 light year day in Heaven well that's a likely day used.
Even in Genesis right after the Creation Days and He rested on the 7th day. Even after the author inspired by God wrote Day 1 Day 2
Day 3 ... Day 7 ... the author literally its written says "these are the generations of days" Why would Moses the likely author of Genesis say this..... after he clearly just finished calling them days?
Maybe because the author understood a day in Heaven, or a day in light years. And we see a few verses in the Old and New Testament that show at least some others understood this concept some.
Psalms 90: 4
For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday * when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3
8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
God could have created the world and the universe any way He chose. Who am I to question God on why He chose to work 1 way over another?
All through the Bible Jesus and the prophets refer to planting, roots growing, deep, softening the ground, watering, cultivating ... etc.
If you look at Genesis, a comment God made introducing His creation of man, is there is no one to cultivate it... so He made man, then went and planted an exclusive garden to the East and then placed man into it to care for it.
So we see an element of God's work ethics here.
Regarding plant life - The only plant I recall God speaking into being was the tree that grew quickly to shade Jonah, which God let wither and die in as quick a time. But God did speak creatures and man into existence. And we see even in science that creatures appeared spontaneously. Also remember Adam was placed in a garden East of Eden. He didn't enter the rest of the world till after he fell. The animals and life lived both in and out of the garden. And we don't have any idea how long Adam and Eve were in the garden.
So I think creation the way God did it was on purpose. And 1 light year day in Heaven well that's a likely day used.
Even in Genesis right after the Creation Days and He rested on the 7th day. Even after the author inspired by God wrote Day 1 Day 2
Day 3 ... Day 7 ... the author literally its written says "these are the generations of days" Why would Moses the likely author of Genesis say this..... after he clearly just finished calling them days?
Maybe because the author understood a day in Heaven, or a day in light years. And we see a few verses in the Old and New Testament that show at least some others understood this concept some.
Psalms 90: 4
For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday * when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3
8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
True science is just science observing an anticipating answers to a final conclusion
Many scientist tend to be atheist because their personalities are analytical.
This science dismisses possibilities of anything that can't be proven in a petri dish. So scientist try to disprove the author and finisher of science, in order to prove an analytical conclusion, not based on if it is also a reasonable argument, but because proving God in a petri dish is not possible to their natural minds. No matter what other details exist showing He does.
Yet they will explain hard evidence of God, by data that really isn't sound science.
Scripture says they exchange an image for an image.
Science has literally performed this scripture.
We are made in the image of God, but to the scientist who denies creation they change the image of God to an image of a creature, the ape!
Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth
in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of
God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than
the Creator, who is blessed forever.
What would it be like if God didn't really exist?
What if there was no Maximality, no Maximum Greatness, no Maximum Potential, and no Maximum Excellence to give form to abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence?
Who then created abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence?
What are the biological building blocks found in petri dish of nature are considered the building blocks of abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence that we see various degrees?
If we are absent of a Creator, then what elements, cells, organisms or particles, and compounds were initially deposited into the earth at the beginning of our world's conception to form the building blocks for abstract qualities?
Or of conscience judgement?
Or of superior intelligence?
If there are specific cells or elements are used as building blocks which later evolved to human abstract qualities, conscience judgement, or superior intelligence then wouldn't it be a reasonable scientific expectation as well as a logical conclusion that these same building blocks should also easily be seen throughout all living mammals, and also naturally present within our complex natural environment?
Or at the very least a diverse samplings with a similar evolutionary outcome from using those same building blocks with
a relevant degrees of differences from man down to the lowest form of mammal?
True science is just science observing an anticipating answers to a final conclusion
Many scientist tend to be atheist because their personalities are analytical.
This science dismisses possibilities of anything that can't be proven in a petri dish. So scientist try to disprove the author and finisher of science, in order to prove an analytical conclusion, not based on if it is also a reasonable argument, but because proving God in a petri dish is not possible to their natural minds. No matter what other details exist showing He does.
Yet they will explain hard evidence of God, by data that really isn't sound science.
Scripture says they exchange an image for an image.
Science has literally performed this scripture.
We are made in the image of God, but to the scientist who denies creation they change the image of God to an image of a creature, the ape!
Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth
in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of
God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than
the Creator, who is blessed forever.
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What would it be like if God didn't really exist?
What if there was no Maximality, no Maximum Greatness, no Maximum Potential, and no Maximum Excellence to give form to abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence?
Who then created abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence?
What are the biological building blocks found in petri dish of nature are considered the building blocks of abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence that we see various degrees?
If we are absent of a Creator, then what elements, cells, organisms or particles, and compounds were initially deposited into the earth at the beginning of our world's conception to form the building blocks for abstract qualities?
Or of conscience judgement?
Or of superior intelligence?
If there are specific cells or elements are used as building blocks which later evolved to human abstract qualities, conscience judgement, or superior intelligence then wouldn't it be a reasonable scientific expectation as well as a logical conclusion that these same building blocks should also easily be seen throughout all living mammals, and also naturally present within our complex natural environment?
Or at the very least a diverse samplings with a similar evolutionary outcome from using those same building blocks with a relevant degrees of differences from man down to the lowest form of mammal?
Organisms would have to follow a logical sequence and intelligently place natural building blocks of biological substances of every level from basic instinct to conscience judgement to superior intellegence. And then not share any of those same cells spread throughout the entire world to use in the completion of any other species.
I'm not a rocket scientist but that sounds pretty unscientific!
Evolving creation in intelligent order requires intellegent assembly at the bare minimum.
What is the highest intelligent cell in existence? Because that must be the Maximality of Maximum Excellence. Find that cell, and we can build everthing we see in nature too.
And in just one of all creatures evolved, without at least coming close to at least 1 other, but more likely many another species that are comprable to the same comprable intelligence!
Building blocks of chaos produce intelligent design and those building blocks of conscience judgement should be profusely and liberally and at comparable degrees throughout all nature and visibly tangible in many creatures, and NOT exclusively only to the human quality, right?
What are the chemical compounds when broken down of fairness, truth and justice, of honor, or even dishonor?
Which molecules decide disgrace or lies, or even put standards of every degrees on crimes? What are the chemical compounds that establish a biological sequence needed for love and loyalty, hate, and betrayal?
Without any basis of standards derived from qualities of a Maximality, then why does conscience judgement in humanity house qualities beyond our basic biology?
Even if mental evolution leads to advanced science and technology of every kind as avanced intellect from biology evolves, what neurons in biology builds the basics of conscience judgement?
Do wolves hold court to decide if hunting practices are carried out according to an acceptable standards? Do gorillas vote for their leaders? Do lions decide on matters of justice and share their prey among the other prides out of compassion? Do bulls compete on the basis of charisma and likeability and appeal when mating? If all creatures are limited to basic natural instincts then why does conscience judgement exist at all?
So even if we have an intellectual Maximal Greatness, even that basically should dictate near equals in the same world from the same original building blocks. Where we incubated differently than a bear? Was the peri dish of nature that built man in a separate environment? If not then where are creatures equal to us in many ways, greater than us in some ways, and just below us in other ways?
Shouldn't all of creation have a relative degree of likeness in at least a likeness to our species? Don't we have gradual degrees of differences in like kinds in every species?
In nature we have many kinds found in the species of the cat family. from the house cat to the lion. But you don't only have the lion and the house cat.
And we have qualities of Maximality and Maximum Greatness?
There is no doubt there is a God, because these qualities plain and simply are not building blocks in every living thing, so they either don't exist in any living thing, or they potentially exist in every living thing. If they do not exist in every living thing, then the only logical conclusion is that Maximality exists, and has established qualities according to His own Maximality.
It is illogical to consider that even if complicated forms of life evolved from nothing but a spark of energy, came to being out of nothing, that only 1 form of all that life that came forth through that chaos would hold an exclusivity to conscience judgement in even the smallest of matters, let alone the broad matters of conscience judgement. This is absolute proof there is either dna or matter that can produce these qualities in humanity, and also outside of humanity. Other animals absolutely also must produce evidence of conscience judgement or there is no argument if there is a Maximality. The only argument that can follow that is not if there is a Maximality, but who is the Maximality!
If there is no basis for Conscience without a Maximality to define and establish a standard of conscience, then how does conscience judgement exist in the first place? And an even more disturbing question, is why and how then is it exclusive to ONLY 1 species?
So then why would conscience judgement exist among humanity, yet NOT exist in any other living thing produced in the same possible world togethet? Shouldn't we at least see many degrees of conscience judgement throughout nature that at least is comparable to conscience judgement found in humanity?
Wouldn't it make sense that if conscience judgement was evolved, that there would be further samplings of conscience judgement in the same possible world, living together?
Organisms would have to follow a logical sequence and intelligently place natural building blocks of biological substances of every level from basic instinct to conscience judgement to superior intellegence.
We see this and this is what evolution describes. Score 1 for science.
And then not share any of those same cells spread throughout the entire world to use in the completion of any other species.
We don't see this, and this is what creation describes. Score 2 for science.
I'm not a rocket scientist but that sounds pretty unscientific!
Half of it sounds unscientific.
Evolving creation in intelligent order requires intellegent assembly at the bare minimum.
Bacteria have intelligence.
The rest of your argument is probable garbage. I couldn't read any more idiocy though.
Explain the degree of difference in man relative to the degree of difference in like creatures. Then compare that degree to man.
It's not mathematical or scientific!! It almost feels like Sesame Street logic. That basic!! Which of these things is not like the other...?
Lion, Jaguar, Bob Cat, House Cat
Polar Bear, Brown Bear, Asian Bear, Sloth Bear
Moose, Caribou, Elk, Deer
Man, Ape
If we take this sampling all animals are relative in degree of difference.
Even the apes degree of difference is relative to the stages of difference all the way down the lists of animals to the house cat.
There are no jumps in degree of difference between any of the animals. They all are adaptive to their habitat and live by the instict needed for survival.
There are 0 a big fat ZERO that are anything near the degree of difference found 100 % through nature that comes close to a reasonable degree of difference stepping up to man.
Then even adaptation, all animals would adapt and improve at a similar degree of difference in improvements. Again it's the same when compared to all animals and then to man!
Here is an example chart of degree off difference, and for man I'm using the most basic man not any advancements
House Cat --
Bear --------
Lion -----------
Ape ------------------
Basic Man -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Advanced Man -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is there another animal that is like kangaroos? No
Is there another animal that is like the duck billed platypus? No
These animals were created by evolution (according to you) and they don't have equivalent species. You agree that evolution can lead to species that are unique. Therefore, your "argument" that humans were created because they are unique is not supported. Your other "argument" is that humans are advanced. Being advanced means nothing. By definition there has to be a most advanced species. All living things are connected and evolution allows things to become more advanced. Evolution would lead to a most advanced species, so your argument that the most advanced species must have been created is also false.
Explain the degree of difference in man relative to the degree of difference in like creatures. Then compare that degree to man.
It's not mathematical or scientific!! It almost feels like Sesame Street logic. That basic!! Which of these things is not like the other...?
Lion, Jaguar, Bob Cat, House Cat
Polar Bear, Brown Bear, Asian Bear, Sloth Bear
Moose, Caribou, Elk, Deer
Man, Ape
If we take this sampling all animals are relative in degree of difference.
Even the apes degree of difference is relative to the stages of difference all the way down the lists of animals to the house cat.
There are no jumps in degree of difference between any of the animals. They all are adaptive to their habitat and live by the instict needed for survival.
There are 0 a big fat ZERO that are anything near the degree of difference found 100 % through nature that comes close to a reasonable degree of difference stepping up to man.
Then even adaptation, all animals would adapt and improve at a similar degree of difference in improvements. Again it's the same when compared to all animals and then to man!
Here is an example chart of degree off difference, and for man I'm using the most basic man not any advancements
House Cat --
Bear -------
Lion ----------
Ape --------------
Basic Man -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Advanced Man -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is there another animal that is like kangaroos? No
Is there another animal that is like the duck billed platypus? No
These animals were created by evolution (according to you) and they don't have equivalent species. You agree that evolution can lead to species that are unique. Therefore, your "argument" that humans were created because they are unique is not supported. Your other "argument" is that humans are advanced. Being advanced means nothing. By definition there has to be a most advanced species. All living things are connected and evolution allows things to become more advanced. Evolution would lead to a most advanced species, so your argument that the most advanced species must have been created is also false.
Explain the degree of difference in man relative to the degree of difference in like creatures. Then compare that degree to man.
It's not mathematical or scientific!! It almost feels like Sesame Street logic. That basic!! Which of these things is not like the other...?
Lion, Jaguar, Bob Cat, House Cat
Polar Bear, Brown Bear, Asian Bear, Sloth Bear
Moose, Caribou, Elk, Deer
Man, Ape
If we take this sampling all animals are relative in degree of difference.
Even the apes degree of difference is relative to the stages of difference all the way down the lists of animals to the house cat.
There are no jumps in degree of difference between any of the animals. They all are adaptive to their habitat and live by the instict needed for survival.
There are 0 a big fat ZERO that are anything near the degree of difference found 100 % through nature that comes close to a reasonable degree of difference stepping up to man.
Then even adaptation, all animals would adapt and improve at a similar degree of difference in improvements. Again it's the same when compared to all animals and then to man!
Here is an example chart of degree off difference, and for man I'm using the most basic man not any advancements
House Cat --
..........Bear ------
..........Lion ---------
...........Ape -------------
Basic Man -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
...Adv Man ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What if there was no Maximality, no Maximum Greatness, no Maximum Potential, and no Maximum Excellence to give form to abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence?
Who then created abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence?
What are the biological building blocks found in petri dish of nature are considered the building blocks of abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence that we see various degrees?
If we are absent of a Creator, then what elements, cells, organisms or particles, and compounds were initially deposited into the earth at the beginning of our world's conception to form the building blocks for abstract qualities?
Or of conscience judgement?
Or of superior intelligence?
If there are specific cells or elements are used as building blocks which later evolved to human abstract qualities, conscience judgement, or superior intelligence then wouldn't it be a reasonable scientific expectation as well as a logical conclusion that these same building blocks should also easily be seen throughout all living mammals, and also naturally present within our complex natural environment?
Or at the very least a diverse samplings with a similar evolutionary outcome from using those same building blocks with a relevant degrees of differences from man down to the lowest form of mammal?
What if there was no Maximality, no Maximum Greatness, no Maximum Potential, and no Maximum Excellence to give form to abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence?
You mean what if the maximality was less than you imagine.
Who then created abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence?
Plato.
If there are specific cells or elements are used as building blocks which later evolved to human abstract qualities, conscience judgement, or superior intelligence then wouldn't it be a reasonable scientific expectation as well as a logical conclusion that these same building blocks should also easily be seen throughout all living mammals, and also naturally present within our complex natural environment?
No they are not otherwise Apes would be buying houses and grocery shopping.
They may need ape stores but there should be a likeness. And you are wrong!
If you were right they would have advanced atleast to 75 % of humans, even 50 % of humans.
They are noylt even 5 % of humans.
So other than basic natural function of reproduction and walking on 2 feet, and maybe mating for life, which penguins do and many animals do, there is no equal comparison.
Making the degree of difference completely apples to potatoes!
If my opinion and others opinions are useless, and things that make perfect sense to consider and truely think through doesn't fit into the narrow pigeon hole of your thoughts on a matter, so then you just call names and call it stupid, then why are you on a debate site?
Intelligent debates don't challenge your thoughts no matter how well constructed. So why bother?
If my opinion and others opinions are useless, and things that make perfect sense to consider and truely think through doesn't fit into the narrow pigeon hole of your thoughts on a matter, so then you just call names and call it stupid, then why are you on a debate site?
I have thoroughly destroyed every single one of your arguments and your only response is that you think I am wrong.
Intelligent debates don't challenge your thoughts no matter how well constructed. So why bother?
This fits you way more than me. This is your first argument that actually addressed anything I have said. Doesn't it bother you that the only time you actually respond to what the person actually said is when they insult you?
You are using a vague, completely undefined, and worthless word to make a ridiculous unscientific argument. There is nothing to respond to. Iamsparticus and I are using facts and you are using opinions.
It is 100% accurate. It doesn't have to be specific to be true.
Again proving my point about contention does not equal debate!
You said apes should be using grocery stores and lawnmowers.
0 for your debate
Stop giving me 0 responses.
Because it has 0 applicable content identifying specific points and thoughtfully debating them!
If you think this is true, you are delusional by definition.
Futile!
It is futile for you to continue pretending that a) you have given any good arguments, and b) that I haven't thoroughly destroyed your worthless piece of shit arguments.
You and Iamsparticus either hyper focus on a small piece of a point and ignore the rest, or you guys make such all inclusive broad statements as your point to all the points you just ignored.
I apologize. I didn't give your "argument" any thought.
Is there another animal that is like kangaroos? No
Is there another animal that is like the duck billed platypus? No
These animals were created by evolution (according to you) and they don't have equivalent species. You agree that evolution can lead to species that are unique. Therefore, your "argument" that humans were created because they are unique is not supported. Your other "argument" is that humans are advanced. Being advanced means nothing. By definition there has to be a most advanced species. All living things are connected and evolution allows things to become more advanced. Evolution would lead to a most advanced species, so your argument that the most advanced species must have been created is also false.
Thank you snake mittens. Do you ever get tired of proving me right?
So then why continue to argue that you are actually answering as though you are in a debate?
To prove that the reason I am not in a debate is because you aren't engaging the argument. And, you proved me right. The word "didn't" describes the past. I apologized for my past actions and gave you what you said you wanted. You proved that you have been lying this whole time.
0 for debate!
You dumb bitch. You have given me 0 in response. Stupid fucking whore.
You dumb fuck. You attacked me for apologizing instead of addressing the argument that came right after it. You are out of your fucking mind if you think that gave 1000.
Look if you don't want to debate refrain from the contention of arguments you call debate.
Fuck off. Come up with a real argument. Stupid fucked up arguments only deserve contention.
Its just I think this in general.
That's a fallacy you stupid fuck. Claiming the stuff you think in general is a real argument is not debating.
Futile! No content. Futile!
I pointed out that you had no content and you got mad at me, now you are agreeing that you have given no content. Make up your mind.
Is there another animal that is like kangaroos? No
Is there another animal that is like the duck billed platypus? No
These animals were created by evolution (according to you) and they don't have equivalent species. You agree that evolution can lead to species that are unique. Therefore, your "argument" that humans were created because they are unique is not supported. Your other "argument" is that humans are advanced. Being advanced means nothing. By definition there has to be a most advanced species. All living things are connected and evolution allows things to become more advanced. Evolution would lead to a most advanced species, so your argument that the most advanced species must have been created is also false.
Can you name the million advanced things? No, because you have severely overestimated how great you are.
And not equally advance all to at least a similar degree?
By definition it can't advance all to a similar degree. There has to be something that is more advanced.
Everything that you have claimed is created by God is demonstrably known to be created by humans. Technology - humans, tools - humans, grocery stores - humans, etc. Evolution has given us the capacity to create stuff that is permanent. But, if you ignore the permanent fixtures humans have created the actual humanity created by evolution is not much different than apes.
I'm sorry but that's idiotic. The "signals" are an incredibly complex, nuanced language spoken between them, and several species of apes have been observed using tools.
If you aren't able to grasp the importance of that, and can only say something as ridiculous as that lawnmower comment, then that shows ignorance on your part, not his.
So your going to say this basic grunting in communicate compares?? Look you may communicate like an ape, but I don't know anyone else that does.
My cat communicates like an ape when her cat food is low, or she wants something. The dog communicated it understand sit stand roll fetch and a host of communication commands. But I can't have a conversation other than basic command with a well trained dog.
Sea world trains sea animals to communicate.
So what's different and close to man about an apes communication?
The Beaver builds a house by instinct so does a bird build a nest.
Have their skills grown, or did they remain as instinct?
Degree of difference all animals is relative till 1!!!
Is there another animal that is like kangaroos? No
Is there another animal that is like the duck billed platypus? No
These animals were created by evolution (according to you) and they don't have equivalent species. You agree that evolution can lead to species that are unique. Therefore, your "argument" that humans were created because they are unique is not supported. Your other "argument" is that humans are advanced. Being advanced means nothing. By definition there has to be a most advanced species. All living things are connected and evolution allows things to become more advanced. Evolution would lead to a most advanced species, so your argument that the most advanced species must have been created is also false.
The only equivalent in qualities and that is measurable degree of difference
As man highest and all other creatures highest starting much lower than man and relevant degree of difference from there is actually non existent in qualities compared to man.
Meaning only 1 is completely unique in qualities not seen in any other animal!
The only conclusion is man is made in the likeness of only 1 comparison and that is GOD!
Is there another animal that is like kangaroos? No
Is there another animal that is like the duck billed platypus? No
These animals were created by evolution (according to you) and they don't have equivalent species. You agree that evolution can lead to species that are unique. Therefore, your "argument" that humans were created because they are unique is not supported. Your other "argument" is that humans are advanced. Being advanced means nothing. By definition there has to be a most advanced species. All living things are connected and evolution allows things to become more advanced. Evolution would lead to a most advanced species, so your argument that the most advanced species must have been created is also false.
You are going to claim that housecats are massively different than tigers, but kangaroos are related to all other marsupials. You have no basis for your comparisons. Science requires consistent comparisons.
And they think and act like all other animals.
I was attacking 1 of the 2 different aspects of your dubious claim.
Again limited potential
Humans can't live forever = limited potential.
Humans - not the same in limitations we Excell exponentially with every step we take.
This definitely not true. There is a user named KNHav on this website who can't even read.
I am saying the degree of difference has an extreme degree of difference between human to all animals, and the animals have similar degrees in differences to one another.
In other words their difference go from a basic mouse who can be trained to find cheese, to the dog who can follow commands like amazing tricks.
But none of them are like humans in any area I mentioned.
Example tools
The ape can make tools
The beaver can make tools
Elephant can...
Sea otter can ...
Racoon can ...
Man can...
But even the animals who have two hands don't build upon the tools yet man has the intelligence to build on those tools exponentially, quickly. So in this are all animals are relative in degree of difference and man is NO comparison in degree of difference. Why?
so compare them in each category to each other and find our closest equal and tell me is that animal closest to us or closest to all the animals
1 - Nothing exists if No-Maximality is exemplified
2 - Maximal greatness is possible only if Maximality is exemplified.
3 - Without Maximality, then Maximal Greatness is impossible!
4 - Since Maximality exists, ONLY those who are made in the image of Maximality can achieve the highest possible Maximum Greatness in the image of Maximality!
5 - Those who are made in the image of Maximality achieve Maximum Greatness by an ever present goal within themselves, and set before themselves ever reaching for their Maximum Greatness with standards reflective of the image of Maximality!
6 - The goal to achieve Maximum Greatness can never achieved if Maximality is altered by a lesser image of Maximality in any and every possible world!
7 - Maximum Greatness is achieved by reaching it's Maximum Potential in it's Maximum Purpose through achieving it's highest possible likeness to an unaltered image of Maximality.
Science is merely a process of making observations and theories. It is not anti religion.
Likewise mathematics is a process of analyzing numbers and measurements. If mathematics is used and it ultimately proves a numeric claim in the Bible is wrong it doesn't mean mathematics is anti religion. It just means that's one more part of your bogus religion empirically disproven.
Science is anti-religious because they are complete opposites. Science is about using evidence prove a truth and religion is about Faith which by definition is a firm belief in something for which there is no proof.
Your definitions are twisted to reinforce your brainwashing.
Religion is what people do or believe in order to justify their existence outside of Hell. It is impossible to justify your existence outside of Hell as a sinner, and that is why we have atheism and so many other religions...even "science" which is more belief than observation and not really science, is a religion. All they do with it is try to justify their existence hoping to prove they have the right to exist outside of Hell. The science you are talking about is a religion based on beliefs more than on observation of facts. That stuff is not science, it's religious philosophy and it can never find the truth.
When people say things like "science is anti-religion", they are using cliché's without thinking about the meaning of things they are saying and/or believing. This garbage is pushed as "higher education" today, so you really don't have to know anything other than how to overuse a few cliché's.
Actually, according to Merriam Webster, religion is, " the belief in a god or in a group of gods". Science is not a religion. The only things scientists believe in are actual things that have proof of existence. Saying that objects fall at a rate of acceleration of 9.8 m/s/s is not a belief, it's a fact that can be proven. Saying that plants convert water, carbon dioxide, and light energy into glucose and oxygen is not a belief, it is also a fact that can be proven. Saying that there's a place called "Hell" that's full of fire where a fallen angel that causes all evil lives? That isn't proven and never will be proven. So relating science and religion isn't right. Religion is just a set of beliefs that people create to explain the things that they don't have enough knowledge to understand. You? You're scared of death. You don't understand it. That's why you try to convince yourself that there's something that happens to you after you die.
I'm going to heaven with my sins forgiven, death is the enemy of life, and God has given me victory over it. You say you are not afraid of death, I say you are a liar. You love death, you welcome it as your friend which you believe will end your problems. You are a fool to think that you escape existence in death, you are a fool to think you own no debt to God for breaking His holy law.
The reality of Hell not only can be proved to you, it will be proved to you. If you had half as much brains as you do mouth, you would not force God to prove He can rule over and against you with the fire of Hell to confine you in your sin forever. If your brains are insufficient to weed out any of my grammatical weakness which may be hindering your ability to comprehend, I'll be happy to rephrase things so maybe you will get the point.
Death is not the enemy of life. If organisms didn't die, then the world would be overrun. Death gives new organisms a chance to live. Death is inevitable. I accept that, and I intend to live life to the fullest that I can. Since you are scared of death, you are convincing yourself that there is something after death. So you waste your time trying to prove yourself to a fictional deity that you have been brainwashed into believing in. You accept whatever the people in charge say that "God" says as the truth without question because you are scared that they will tell you that you have lost his (but really their) approval. You waste your life telling people that they are wrong and that religion isn't actually just a bunch of lies made to explain things that people don't understand. Let's be honest- if you really wanted to change anyone's opinion, then you wouldn't be trying to do it on some random debate site that less than a hundredth of a percent of the world's population has heard about.
You say it can be proved and will be proved? Prove it to me now. Why do you care if anyone else goes to Hell? All you do is insult people, tell them that they have no chance of getting God's approval, and recite useless garbage that is evident in nearly all of your posts. You aren't proving anything to anyone, other than that you are some overly pious fanatic who will believe whatever someone better than you says.
So death is your friend? You love your friend? When you say "prove it to me now", you are asking me to do something I cannot do. I can't prove anything you will not believe. I can't prove the sky is blue if you wont' believe it is blue. Let's be honest....you believe God does not rule over you; you believe Hell cannot hold you in death forever. God does not want you to get the proof you are asking for the way you are asking for it. The only way you can have the proof you say is not there, the way you are asking for it, is to find yourself unable to get out of the fire of Hell.
Why do I care if anyone goes to Hell? Are you kidding? Do you think I would want anybody to burn in Hell forever, especially knowing I deserve as much if not more than all of them? Do you want people to burn in Hell forever? Do you really want proof that Hell is real? Do you really want God to prove it to you? If I were you, I would believe God and believe on the resurrection of Jesus Christ and ask God in Jesus' name to save me from Hell. You won't do that, will you?
God is in charge. People are not in charge. You are not in charge of your own life even though you might think you are the god of you. I'm trying to make sense out of your statements, but they are on the goofy side.
Death has the victory over you because you remain in your sin, proud, unrepentant, insisting you are as good or better than God. God offers you the victory over death in the resurrection of Jesus Christ who died for you, in your place, to pay your price. You are choosing to pay your own price, and you can never pay in eternity in Hell because your sin will remain with you forever. Jesus took your sin on Himself and paid the price in full with His sinless blood, paid for you, but you are choosing to pay for yourself and God is righteous and just to leave you paying in Hell if that's the only way you will have proof that He rules over you and you serve Him if you like it or not. You're in rebellion, plain and simple, against your Creator and sitting there trying to put on like you are smart and educated so it's good to die. I wonder if you could look at the eyes of one of your children after they close in death and then say death is the giver of room for new life so it's a good thing. Death is the curse. You are under the curse, and my guess is that you would curse the sight of your departed child the same as you are cursing God when you say He is not the Truth.
You don't understand things only because you love darkness because your deeds are evil. You are avoiding the truth of your worthiness of death and God's mercy in not granting you this very moment the proof you are saying cannot be given to you. You are being a fool, and if you feel insulted by me saying that, it's only because you are guilty. Why not admit it and quit trying to deny that God is right to rule against every little or big sin ever in your words, thoughts, or deeds? You are asking for proof and you are going to get it. Believe it or not.
Death is not my friend, as I have pointed out multiple times. You are talking about death as if it is a conscious being. Death is an event that happens daily when a person's body fails to support them anymore.
Since Hell is a form of negative reinforcement invented by the Greek priests to keep people in line, then it's not actually possible to burn in Hell.
Jesus Christ actually was executed because he went crazy from heat exhaustion and went into the Jewish temple in Jerusalem and demanded that the tax collectors from Rome leave.
So you're saying that it would be good to have every single organism that ever lived here on Earth right now? Death is definitely not a curse. It can be rough sometimes, but it happens to everyone.
So when you die, that's good for everybody who has not died yet? What a beautiful sentiment, a lovely way for you to feel about death.
The Bible puts it this way....if you hate God (and saying He is not real is proof that you hate Him because you are trying to annihilate Him) you love death. All those who hate God, love death.
You can have your death if you think it's good or ok. I think you are insane.
Death is good. It cleans the world of those not fit to live anymore so the ones who are fit to live have enough resources to live. I don't love it. I just respect is as a necessary force and am able to face it with no regrets or fear.
I don't hate God. I don't feel any emotion towards things that don't exist.
Nobody is fit to live, fool. You are no more fit to live that the person you think is the most evil to have ever lived. You are a sinner the same as anybody you think you are better or worse than. The only thing that keeps you living outside of Hell, dying in time counting down to finality of death's execution, is God's mercy. It does not matter how many "resources" you have. When God withdraws His mercy from you, your resources are lost like you are lost in dying, finalized in Hell forever.
Ignoring God and saying He is not there clearly shows your hatred against Him. I say you are a liar if you say you don't hate God. All who hate God love death, and by your own words you love death...saying it is good. You are only fooling yourself. God won't buy your pretense of ignorance or apathy as an excuse. The way you are going, you are going to wake up in Hell.
I do believe I put you on my list of people I gave up on because of your own words insisting your death is good. Keep it then.
The Felidae family, I crudely will compare a sampling in the Felidae (cat) family, big and small. They are similar in every way, and exist in only slight degrees of each animals unique different qualities. But in every way lions, tigers, jaguars, leopards, pumas, cheetahs, bob cats, and house cats are similar not one Felidae has a unique design of abstract qualities and not one of the Felidae species has a unique degree of superiority of intellegence to any extreme degree of difference one to another.
The Canadae family, again there are similar progressive degrees but they are similar in every way, and exist in only slight degrees of differences. Each Canadae has unique different qualities, but are relative in every way. Comparing a random selection of Canadae species - dogs, wolves, foxes, coyotes, and jackals, like the Felidae not one Canadae species has a unique design of abstract qualities. And not one of the Canadae species has a unique degree of superiority of intellegence to any extreme degree of difference one to another.
There is only one classification of family in all of natural ordering and classifications that claim one species in the same family has unique qualities of an extreme degree of difference of one to MANY others in the same family!
So not only are the extreme difference marginalized through poor scientific classification, all others within the family classification minus the one and only one with an extreme degree of differences in BOTH the presence of abstract qualities AND incomparable degree of superiority in intelligence, the entire rest of the family follow the same degree of differences found in the other family examples I used, Felidae and Canidae.
If the degree in families are all relative except one, what does that logically assent between the comparisons?
If all animals evolved, each having a relatively equal degrees of differences in intellegence one to another, and all without abstract qualities shown exceeding their species and increasing over time within their species, or presenting any abnormalities showing any extremes in degrees of differences from one mammal to another mammal, or within a family classification between one species to another species then isn't it a simply fundamental logical conclusion that homo sapiens are completely unique to all other mammals including primates?
Many scientific theories elevate animal kingdom to human intelligence and even give abstract qualities. But ridiculous comparisons aren't proving anything by science, they are masking science with ridiculous comparisons!
Let's all act like the intellegent people we seem to be, and let science be logical, even if it tell us something we'd rather not know!
We should be able to follow a logical process of elimination after comparing every mammal one to another. All mammals show a reasonable and a rational degree of differences relative to all mammals in general.
Even the dolphin, and man's most intelligent top dog best friend are both relative to all other mammals and with natural abilities and intelligence within the same relative degree of difference between all the other mammals!
The house cat plays with string and purrs, the dog is loyal, and dolphins communicate and seem to have compassion on people who are in danger at sea. But all these qualities are far from abstract qualities found in humanity.
These cute animal favorites are a design of a Creator who made joy naturally present in nature.These fun qualities are a matter of selective instinct, not abstract qualities, and NOT of selective design, exclusive in every degree of extreme difference of any mammal to another mammal.
No mammals in all classifications and families has any exclusive difference, to any extreme degree except one. And no mammals except one is unique in every way beyond basic biological function except one. Only one mammal extremely irrelevant in every way to extreme degrees of difference one mammal to all mammals in superiority of intellegence, and in abstract qualities. And that is found in humanity.
The chaos of creation through evolution would have to show a chain of order that gives simple cells and organisms an ability and a thought to purposely create and design each independently and also in cooperative effort with specific planned design and intelligent design accomplished through the chaotic order of random assemblies through a random method of evolution. With random biological components assembling, and reassembling many times over with a specific end goal of each completed species.
The difference between all other religions, science, and the Creator found in the Old and New Testament is actually scientific origin and accuracy. Most religions don't relate their gods to Creation, and setting in motion the world of science we find md ourselves living in.
So even if they have a nice story of creation, the Old and New Testament actually detail throughout their text affirmation and confirmation that faith in its entire foundation through its entire purpose is founded in creation and seamlessly built in through many ages and prophets, with detailed truths foretold unfolding exactly as told they would. By any given standard of science, if a prediction has validity and progresses in a way that can be a final completion, them that is not merely a hypothesis, that's actually a scientific absolute condition.
So Prophets put forth through their study of the Creator, details that gave a detailed expected outcome.
If a happens then b then an order of c, d, e, f, and g. You can determine how, I, j, k etc will follow ending with z as a final conclusion. Because it's order, and logical, and a pattern, and continues in the same direction, with the same subject sequence.
If we had a pattern of 1 2 h a 9 j t 6 3 0 y 1 z that is illogical.
Yet science has followed a pattern, and as soon as the pattern leads to conclusive evidence of the Creator, they change the pattern and continue in a different pattern, ending in a different expected origin because logic and pattern doesn't fit their own final expected conclusion. So the scientist goes a, b, c, d, ......v then jumps to to a different subject sequence finishing with 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0 . All because w, x, y, z doesn't fit is expected conclusion.
The projected evolutionary outcome given that all mammals evolved within the same environment, within the same conditions, with access to the same building blocks found in nature, and over the same amount of time, making evolution's projected outcome relevant in every degree of difference between all mammals.
Even natural elimination, natural thriving, and natural adaptations every mammal still should follow a course of adaptations that are in every way relevant in every degree of difference between all progressing mammals.
By all reasonable scientific thought either one of these two things should have occurred, but didn't occurr in evolution and adaptation.
Either making the degree of differences relevant by either
1 - reducing humanity to the relevant degree of differences in abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence found in comparison to other mammals or
2 - by raising some or even many other mammals by the relevant degree of differences in abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence to produce an evolutionary relevance expected in natural corse without an Intelligent Creator, showing a scientific probable expectation with no extreme degrees of differences with relevance between the highest functioning mammal to the lowest functioning mammal in abstract qualities, conscience judgement, or superior intelligence, right?
It would not, and does not make any scientific sense to consider an evolution of living creatures where there are exclusive qualities of conscience judgement and superior intelligence limited exclusively to humanity!
It's not a logical hypothesis to conclude that cells evolving chose to produce an order of natural selection, of only one mammal with abstract qualities, conscience judgement and superior intelligence?
I can see an evolution to an order of dominance, having a highest forms and a lowest form of mammals, like we do. That's a logical expectation, and should be expected if you are scientific proving evolution.
But the degree of difference to this proportion had to be accepted by a rational scientific group of millions of people regardless if it's as illogical as believing in unicorns! This theory of scientific outcome from evolution is far from any degree of logic!
Where is the closest abstract qualities, conscience judgement, and superior intelligence to humanity with a relevant degree of differences mammal to other mammals ?
Nobody denies anything shown by science. To say science shows that monkeys or apes or amoebas changed over time into men is a belief. Science is observation. You can observe fossils. To believe that one kind of animal morphed over time into another kind of animal is a belief. I don't know why anybody thinks it's important to believe that monkey or apes or amoebas or fish were our ancestors.
It is not science which is against God, it's people who are against God.
The reality of Hell is something you can deny now, but you won't be able to deny it forever. Just wait and see. To say there is no way it can be proved is a provocation toward God and He is going to let you have the proof you don't want if you won't believe it before you force Him to show you.
You believe you are god to yourself if you are an atheist. If you are an atheist, there is no god higher than you in your belief, or maybe you believe evolution is your god, or maybe you believe nature is your god, or whatever........atheists do all they can to avoid admitting to any of this ......so you are the god of your religion, and in your religion you grant yourself the right to exist free of Hell forever. It's a fool's religion, and Webster's definition covers it well enough....though quite superficially. All you are doing is practicing a religion in which you believe you are exempt from Hell...it's dumb.
I'm not sure what you are talking about but science is about examining the world we live in and discovering the truths that exist. To be proven in science something must be able to be reproduced with a predictable outcome every time. That is not philosophy at all. Now religion relies on the words written by superstitious "Bronze Age" tribesman. Many aspects of the written word are too contradictory to be unable to exist. Which is the case in the Torah and the Bible. I am not familiar enough with the other religious writings to comment. If you have any specific examples of scientific fact that is not true I would love to hear it.
Ok Bob, since you insist on saying that your belief of one kind of animal turning into another kind of animal is a fact and not a belief in something you have never seen, I'm done talking with you. All you are doing is resorting to insults. Go on and believe in your pointlessness of evilootion. Make it your god and see if it can keep you out of Hell. I'm not going to play your game.
Religion is for people who are scared and cannot face the fact that there is nothing after death. It comes from our built-in desire to survive and exist eternally which just isn't possible whether is be in a physical world or a spiritual world. In my opinion, I still cannot believe that people in this day-and-age believe in things that were once established by our earliest ancestors as a way to explain their own existence. After such a long time I would have thought that people would start believing in things that have are supported by substantial evidence and not some airy-fairy load of crap that you cannot argue against because apparently there is always something to bolster up religion.
Reality is that you are hoping (a religious hope) you cease to exist in death and hoping there is no God because you don't want to be judged. You are on your way to Hell and going fast. Go ahead and prove me wrong if you can. The only way you can really do anything to get your proof is to finalize your countdown of time to zero and see if you cease to exist...and yes, that is exactly what you are doing if you do it the way Ernest Hemingway did it, or if you do it slowly by letting death take it's course slowly to pull you down. Ernest Hemingway did it powerfully, great mind of atheism that he was....blew his brains out thinking God does not care....what a fool, atheism is the religion of fools
I don't know of any Christians who have committed suicide. Maybe some Catholics, but they are not Christians except as defined by the dictionary. I would find it hard to believe somebody who killed their self really was a Christian no matter what they said or did in life. Judas Iscariot was a Christian by the dictionary definition, and he killed himself after he betrayed Jesus and showed where they could find Him resting away from the crowds to arrest Him.
A friend of mine killed himself after he said he had become a Christian. I really thought the guy was converted, saved, a true believer. His drunk father had committed suicide maybe ten years earlier, and my friend who said he had become a Christian did like his father had done, blew his brains out. When I get to heaven, I'll find out for sure if my friend was a Christian or not....but I don't think he was. He murdered himself and Jesus said murderers do not go to heaven. If you die as a murderer, without finding God's mercy through Jesus Christ who paid for your crime so God can pardon you from guilt based on the fact that your price was paid by His Son, you go to Hell and cannot go to heaven.
I hope I'm wrong and I hope my friend really was a Christian and only was momentarily misguided and committed suicide but is forgiven and went to heaven. I'll know when I get there, and it won't be long before I know...time is short.
If you think this is Hell, you have another thing coming. The only thing you are confirming is that you are a fool and I hope you stop doing it before it's too late...but then, maybe it is already too late for you and your mind is so far gone that you can't believe God loves you.
Your first sentences of each of your paragraphs contradict each other. You are lying and you won't admit it. You will be going to hell. This is not currently hell.
You contradict yourself. You hate God and you love death and are fighting for your own destruction in Hell. You need to get saved, and I really hope you do. I would like to see you in Heaven, but by the way you talk and act I think it's much more likely that you will fry like eternal sausage in the Lake of Fire and be haunted forever from time to time by my attempts to get you to reason with God to accept His offer of pardon through the blood of His Son before your death is finalized.
Try to think, you idiot.....quit being an idiot and think about what you are doing to yourself by hating God and loving your sin.
Let's break down the word "atheism" here. "a-" means not, and "-theism" means religion. Therefore, "atheism" literally means "not religion". Therefore, calling atheism "the religion of fools" is incorrect, similar to just about everything else you've posted on this website.
Atheism is a belief system which denies God. No-God-ism. It is a religious belief system in which the believer attempts to justify himself so He cannot be found guilty by God and cannot be overruled or rejected by God. It's folly.
People like you always try to twist things and go through linguistic and mental gymnastics to avoid directly admitting your beliefs. You'll take a word and twist the meaning just enough so that when you combine it with another twisted word, you make it out to be unanswerable for yourself so that as long as you hide in the smokescreen of denial, you feel like you are winning when in reality you are losing everything in death. You are a fool, God is there, and you can't escape His judgment by saying you are confident He is not there. You will answer to Him for every moment of the time He gave you to exist outside of Hell. We'll see who is incorrect, won't we? You are going to show me? God is going to show you? When are you going to show me? When is God going to show you?
This is too stupid. Little children have more common sense than you in this kind of discussion.
It is false that it isn't possible to survive eternally. Theoretically, it could happen. There are a few examples of organisms that are considered biologically immortal. The hydra, for instance (not the Ancient Greek mythological Hydra), has the ability to perfectly replicate its single cell multiple times. These duplicate cells are not different organisms, but rather expansions of the original organism. As long as even one of these cells survives, it can duplicate, and the original cell lives on.
Are you a hydra? I'm sure hydra get eaten by other creatures and killed. All water would become filled with hydra and undrinkable if they are not dying.....but you are missing the point. Life is permanent, not temporary. Your time dying here is temporary, but you are permanent. God brought you into existence through Adam and Eve and you can't get out of it by saying He is not there.
You will survive eternally as you are, in Hell, as a sinner, or you will be changed to be fit for heaven as a saint. If you believe this or not, it does not change the fact that you will be in Hell, forever separated from God, if not in Heaven, reconciled to Him and purged of sin which is taking you down to Hell in your body of death.
To have eternal life means you cannot be killed. You can kill my body, but I have eternal life and I am going to heaven if my body returns to dust. Your will have your body in Hell. I will have a new body in heaven, a body like Jesus's resurrected body, with flesh and bones. You will have a body with flesh and bones in Hell. You will have sin in your body. Jesus took my sin on Himself when He died in my place, so I am forgiven by Him since I called out to God in Jesus' name to have mercy on me and I received Jesus as my Savior. He died for me while I was nothing but a sinner, took my sin to the grave and was buried, rose from the grave offering forgiveness to all who believe He did it for them and rose from the dead with power to forgive all who believe on Him. He is God, you can come to God the Father through Jesus, who is God the Son. He did it all for you, because there is no way for you to do it since you are a sinner.
A hydra's body can be killed. I believe that God will restore every living creature.....only man who God made in His own image will be lost because man's sin is what messed up creation so death has permeated all of creation. God will have what He intended from the beginning of creation....a people to enjoy forever in His Kingdom of Heaven. The KING OF ALL KINGS IS JESUS, He is my King, and I will joyfully serve Him who created me to live, and died to save me so I can live forever. I have eternal life, this is the gift of God, eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus is the gift of God, you can receive Him and be saved and have eternal life. You probably won't, that's my guess. I think I'm right about that. You probably wont' believe on Jesus, will you?
If you won't believe on Jesus, like I think you won't, then you have to admit that I am right about this one thing...you won't believe on Him. I hope you prove me wrong on this point, but I think I am right. Sometimes, by a persons own words, you can be pretty sure that they will not believe what you are telling them...NEVER believe what you are telling them is true...and you won't believe, will you?
You people are worshipping science as if it has the ability to make life emerge out of non-living things. Pseudo-science claims to be proving things that cannot be proved but rather have to be believed. Science which believes life emerged out of non-living things is not science; it's people trying to support their beliefs.
I took a few college biology classes, and as a hobby enjoy reading popular science and physics to see the new discoveries. They like to blur the lines between believing and knowing. It's amusing to see many of the "great" atheistic scientists find proofs that their beliefs are impossible, and then add some new speculation of other things that maybe they can believe to explain away the impossibilities which negate their beliefs as they attempt to deny that God created all things. "Parallel universes" is a great idea for inserting an infinite number of possibilities to add enough confusion to avoid hard evidences which make evolution impossible.
I'm not going to get into the mathematical and scientifically observable proofs that evolutionary beliefs cannot possibly happen anywhere or at any time. It's easy enough to find them on the web. People who want to believe God does not have the right to rule against them and leave them burning in Hell forever are going to do everything they can do deny reality and support their beliefs.
A lot of people just want to keep God out of their little mind box because He is holy and they are unholy, they have done wrong and He rules against their wrongs....and Stephen Hawkins is no mind compared to God....Hawkins is just a fool compared to God....no smarter than Richard Dawkins. The issue is moral.
Science is not the issue. The word "science" is misused by ungodly people as a smokescreen while they try to justify themselves with vain philosophies. That's all they are doing, trying to justify their own existence apart from God and God is not going to buy their reasons.
They like to blur the lines between believing and knowing.
And you don't? You have no proof of anything you say about how the world started.
"Science" doesn't have the ability to create life. It's just a natural occurrence. Atoms and molecules endlessly smash together everywhere, and occasionally, some of them react and form a new substance. It was inevitable that one day, carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, and phosphorous were going to react in just the right combination to form DNA, thus creating life.
Who is Stephen Hawkins? I don't think you're talking about the Australian Olympian rower, the Dean of the Faculty of Natural and Environmental Sciences & Professor of Natural Sciences in Ocean and Earth Science at the University of Southampton, or the tax specialist...
You don't even see how you are blurring the line between what you know and what you believe, do you? That's what anti-God philosophy claiming to be based on science it all about, building a belief and using hypothesis to support it, then declaring it to be proved because you believe it.
It is very important for people like you to ignore history, ignore Jesus Christ, ignore His resurrection, and ignore his unending generations of people who know He is God who Created all things and became a man to redeem sinners from the curse of sin and death, to save them from Hell because He loves them. The faith of God is based on historical facts and the evidence of Him is in the artwork of His Creation. What you are fighting for is to justify yourself as a sinner without God and it's impossible to do so, you cannot justify your existence outside of the fire of Hell as a sinner and your time is running out before you find out that what I am telling you is the gospel truth, the good news from God that He is the Savior and is risen from the dead and is willing and able to save you from Hell if you will believe on Him.
You don't believe it because you are ignorant....willfully ignorant. You don't want to believe it because it implies He is God and rules over you forever. You don't want to be ruled by God, you want to make your own rules allowing for whatever sin you feel like doing. You want to make God go away and you want to roam freely as long as you possibly can if not forever. You are a fool, trying to win what is impossible to win: the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell as a sinner.
This is entirely based on the premise that I once believed in God and then stopped. What about people who have never been presented with the idea of God? How does your explanation fit them?
You are basing your belief of having the right to exist outside of Hell on things you cannot prove except in death. I say you are lost, dying, and on your way to Hell. You can't prove me wrong, you can only wake up in Hell if you don't get saved from it. Your belief in having the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner is a self-deception. If you were justified to live, you would not be dying. You have a mental block which the Bible refers to as being blinded by the devil. You are talking nonsense, begging for proof of Hell like an idiot.
Again, you throw out the same grandiloquent garbage that makes you sound illiterate without providing any actual proof. There are no historical facts that prove the existence of God to be true.
P.S.: Addressing a single one of multiple points made by someone with some of the exact same phrases that you've overused since the day you made an account doesn't make you good at debating. It actually makes you seem like some Auto Reply robot.
You really dare to accuse somebody if "ignoring" history? When you have continually ignored the many posts and links I have supplied that prove science and evolution? And prove that most of the bible has been found to be falsities? And that the Exodus NEVER happened? That there is NO proof or even hint of your god?
All you have in your weak-ass arsenal is to run to your bible. Meanwhile IGNORING us educated people who supply you with links written by professionals who uphold our points and claims. YOU are the one guilty here of head-in-the-sand tactics.
Would you like to do another formal private debate? This one will be on the many falsehoods in the bible. Like, I will show that Genesis was written as one of the LAST books, while in captivity, only meant to uphold Sabbath traditions. Thus, never meant to be a literal creation account.
And like most of the letters you think were written by Paul were NOT. And that many previous religions had their own Flood Myths. Like the Sumerians, and the Epic of Gilgamesh.
LOL.
I will also prove that Revelation is written in code and allegory, lest it fell into Roman hands, and was also never meant to be taken as literal. I will post hundreds of biblical contradictions. I will show that the early gospel writers like Matt and Mark did not believe in the Virgin Birth. (Oh, other earlier religions ALSO have virgin birth narratives. This is just another thing the Jews stole to use in their own book of fables called a bible.)
So how could Genesis be real if we have proved that there were flood stories BEFORE Genesis was written?
Did you know that the book of John was not written for a good 70 years AFTER JC died? This is like me writing right now about a guy who I never met who had a brief 3 year ministry back in the 1940s. LOL.
If I were to do that do ya think that some inaccuracies and even downright falsehoods and myths might occur?
You are ignoring history, choosing your own version in which you think you have a license to sin and a get out of Hell free card in dying. You are a fool. It's a waste of time debating you though I could easily show your points wrong. You would not accept the reasonable, logical, and verifiable evidences because you don't want to admit that you deserve to burn in Hell as a sinner. You are too proud, and if you don't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who took your sin on Himself and paid your price so you can be pardoned from the eternal sentence you deserve as a sinner, to reside in the fire of Hell knowing nothing pleasant ever again. He rose to justify all who believe on Him, you can be forgiven and freed of your debt toward God but you won't, will you? You won't be forgiven, will you? Go on and sin some more while you can enjoy it you dirty pervert. I kinda feel sorry for you, but then I don't because you are insisting you can't get what you deserve and living as if you don't have it coming. Sin is your disease and you spread it in every way you can with your perversions and evils against God.
You will see. You can see now if you will believe, but you wont' believe and you won't see outside of Hell that Hell is for sinners, will you? You need a new you, born of God, a new spirit born of His Spirit but He can't make peace with you because you reject His offer of peace through the blood of His Son.
You will go on being a fool forever, won't you? You won't be forgiven, will you? You will keep your death, won't you? You will go on dying forever, won't you? You will prove Hell is not real, won't you?
Science does not have the ability to explain life. Life cannot be explained except by God, who created all things for His own pleasure and purpose. Science can observe materials and processes of living things, it cannot explain how living things became living things, it can only observe that they are living. To believe science explains life is nothing but a belief, and it is based on a person's desire to defy God. Plain and simple.
Hawkins is an educated fool no matter how you spell his name. I am not a fan of his, I have read some of his stuff as I have read many atheistic/agnostic physicists. When they go off in beliefs and use those beliefs as the guiding line of their philosophy, their science is fake because they use it to make false claims of things they cannot prove. That is not true science. True science does not require any philosophical belief system such as atheism or agnosticism. There are many scientist who are born again Christians like myself and who have made huge contributions to discovery and education. The simplistic mindlessness of cliché's such as "science is anti-religion" is a disservice of public education and too much television. We have a brainwashed and mind numbed generation who believes God can't tell them what to do or where to go.......blinded minds teaching blinded people and pretending to be intelligent, the blind leading the blind into the ditch, parading on thin ice which is melting over the fire of Hell.
Nobody has the ability to explain life yet, as no one has actually figured out any purpose of life. Science can explain how life actually started, however. The first organism was formed by random occurrences of basic chemistry, and then it started to reproduce and evolve from there.
When did I ever say science is anti-religion? I actually said that you can't compare the two things.
We have a brainwashed and mind numbed generation who believes God can't tell them what to do or where to go
Isn't following orders from a voice in your head without questioning a little bit brainwashed? I'm pretty sure that's where people like the 19 men who hijacked 4 planes on 9/11/01 got their idea.
If Stephen Hawkins (I'm still not sure who you're referring to, but I'm going to assume that you're talking about Stephen Hawking given the reference to physics) is an educated fool, then you're an uneducated fool- unless Sunday School counts as education.
I actually think that you just string random words together to try to confuse people. Your grammar is literally atrocious. The letter that my 4 year old nephew, who happens to be in preschool, actually was more grammatically correct than basically every post you've made.
The fact that you have not figured out any purpose of life only means you have not. I know the purpose of life...it is to glorify God, the giver of life.
You are believing in wishes which you hope can prove you have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell, and your faith believing that life emerged out of non-life is terribly misguided.
It is you who is following a lying voice, or chorus of lying voices, which tell you that God does not care what you do and Hell is not the abode of sinners for eternity.
If you find my words confusing, it's only because you are confused. Your confusion is what makes it difficult for you to see that God is good all of the time.
I'm not here for a grammar contest. You understand well enough what is being said so that your distaste for my grammar is not an excuse for your confusion. You are confused because you are believing people who do not know the purpose of life, and you are willfully rejecting the purpose of life because you do not want God telling you what you should or should not do. Your arrogance can only get you into death, and if you finalize your death as a sinner separated from God, your dying will continue in the fire of Hell forever. I'm sure my grammar is clear enough for you to understand exactly what I am saying, and your choice of ignoring what you know of God will not be accepted by God as an excuse to allow you to remain outside of Hell as a sinner.
Belief in evolution is silly. It's a joke, and if you take it seriously you are a fool.
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God (well, not we because you are being willfully ignorant of God) and by science we study and observe it. If you can't observe it, it's not science. You cannot observe evolution, you can only believe it happened or happens.
Life means God is good. That is the meaning of life. God gives life. That explains life. Fools can be learning forever and forever unable to come to the knowledge of the truth. The purpose of life is to glorify God. God's purpose for creating life is for His own pleasure because He is good and delights to give life.
He created you to enjoy, and all you want to do is fight against Him and He's not going to put up with your garbage forever. Your sins have separated you from Him, and you chose to believe He is not there because you are guilty in His sight and hiding from Him. We both deserve to die and burn in Hell as sinners, but I am a forgiven sinner and you, evidenced by your own words and actions, are an unforgiven sinner who is in immanent danger of permanent imprisonment in the fire of Hell. You can be saved, but I doubt that you will be because you are in love with yourself and you love your sin more than life and will let it take you down in death to Hell..I hope you prove me wrong, but I'm afraid for your sake that I am right. By your own words now, I am right...of course you will deny it, but you can't deny it forever; you only wish that you could.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding.
You find my words confusing because you are confused and don't know why you are here...because you reject the truth and there is no other valid explanation for your existence so all you have is confusion in your dying....and all the education of all the educated fools in the world won't help you.
The fact that you have not yet figured out any purpose of life only means that you don't know. If millions of others like you don't know any purpose of life, then indeed they don't know.
The purpose of life is to glorify the One who gives it. You only want to glorify yourself, that's why you flatter yourself into thinking your words are intelligent when you say silly things like "NO ONE has actually figured out any purpose of life." I know the purpose of life, you don't.
Evilootion claims to explain life with abiogenisis. It's commonly taught in Biology 101 in colleges across the country, and at pretty much all levels of public education. By claiming life emerged out of non-living things, life is declared to be ultimately meaningless, morality is declared to be subjective, nothing more than situational ethics, and of no more value than whatever value is assigned to you by yourself or others who also have no objective value.
The conflict is not between knowing God and understanding nature. The conflict is philosophical, and people like you pretend that your beliefs are unquestionable when in reality you believe the only thing unquestionable is NOTHING. You believe life emerged from non-life, so life is nothing but non-life in your belief system...and you love death because you think it relieves you of troubles. Only God is unquestionable, but you deny God so NOTHING is unquestionable to you.
If I have misrepresented your beliefs, please tell me what you believe. You don't need to claim your beliefs are supported by science, because I don't believe they are and based on the fact that your beliefs violate the rules........life does not emerge from non-life, never has, never will.
I'm only talking simple common sense, and if you find it confusing it is only because you prefer to be confused. That's why you insist that "no one has actually figured out any purpose of life." Go on and stay confused of that's the way you want it. God will let you have confusion...He would rather have you know Him and stop being confused.
Issued by President George Washington, at the request of Congress, on October 3, 1789
By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.
Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and — Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"
Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted; for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.
And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations, and beseech Him to pardon our national and other trangressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally, to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.
