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Why liberals are frustrated dealing with the modern conservative

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It sounds like unfuckwithable and being an arsehole are very similar.

Side: Indeed
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No it's just because conservatives largely are politically illiterate fucktards. And social media has exacerbated it to an absurd degree. For every 1 conservative who actually does their homework and can have a nuanced conversation about single payer without invoking fearmongering hyperbolic rhetoric about the USSR, theres 300 regards regurgitating talking points about Venezuela that they read on a meme from some right wing blog. And when you think every source that disagrees with your sensibilities is fake news it exacerbates the tendencies to find an echo chamber and stay there.

Side: Indeed sir
WormPod(53) Disputed
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theres 300 regards regurgitating talking points

-1 point for calling people "retards", then misspelling it. And -1 point for calling people "retards", then not putting an apostrophe on "there's". And -1 point because the grammar on "theres" is wrong. It should be "there are", not "there is".

Side: Indeed
AveSatanas(4425) Disputed
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Another puppet. Jesus youre pathetic .

Side: Indeed sir
WormPod(53) Disputed
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regards regurgitating talking points about Venezuela that they read on a meme from some right wing blog

You mean regurgitating from Webster's Dictionary.

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socialism noun

so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \

Definition of Socialism

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Side: Indeed
AveSatanas(4425) Disputed
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And? What the left in america (the bernie sanders type left) is advocating for is well-regulated capitalism which protects consumers and utilizes the generated wealth to fund increased social programs.

Those programs are namely the following 3:

medicare for all

Free public college tuition

Public prisons

With the former 2 there is no assuming of state control whatsoever. The healthcare proposal would mirror France's system which simply expands public funding but maintains all hospitals and doctors offices as private. It does not abolish private insurance either, though it would render it mostly redundant and unnecessary.

Public college tuition is the same thing. The public colleges and universities already exist. The proposal simply removes tuition costs. Which is fully within the right of the government to do because they own these facilities. Private colleges and universities remain private of course.

When it comes to prisons i do believe private prisons ought to be abolished because it is not an industry that operates effectively in the private sector. Profit is not an ideal motive for this industry and it leads to private prisons lobbying the government to make more things illegal and increase penalties for crimes. More prisoners means more money and longer prison sentences means more money. Mandatory minimums came about as a direct result of their efforts. They also are notorious for poor treatment of inmates with several dying annually from completely preventable causes.

Based on all of this the system i and the rest of the left advocate for is not socialism at all. The means of production are not taken over by the government except in terms of prisons. Thats it. And ive made the case for that thoroughly.

It does not abolish private property. And it maintains a capitalist economy.

Its social democracy. Not socialism. and not even remotely close or comparable to venezuela whatsoever. Venezuela is and continues to be a massive strawman and deflection from the actual argument being made, namely because the right have no real substantive arguments against the proposals were actually making.

Side: Indeed sir
WormPod(53) Disputed
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No it's just because conservatives largely are politically illiterate fucktards

As the economy, DOW and unemployment hit the best numbers in the history of America.

Side: Indeed
excon(14603) Disputed
1 point

As the economy, DOW and unemployment hit the best numbers in the history of America.

Hello W:

I don't know diddly about the economy.. But, I do know this.. If you BORROW Trillions of dollars, like Trump DID, and throw it at the economy, it'll grow..

The problem is that our children and grandchildren will have to pay it back..

Or, are you thinking that after all our bills were paid, Trump FOUND several Trillion dollars, and that's how he paid for the tax cut??? Really???? DUDE!

excon

Side: Indeed sir
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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No it's just because conservatives largely are politically illiterate fucktards. And social media has exacerbated it to an absurd degree. For every 1 conservative who actually does their homework and can have a nuanced conversation about single payer without invoking fearmongering hyperbolic rhetoric about the USSR, theres 300 regards regurgitating talking points about Venezuela that they read on a meme from some right wing blog. And when you think every source that disagrees with your sensibilities is fake news it exacerbates the tendencies to find an echo chamber and stay there.

Hey Little Gurl your Leftist Media can only exist in an echo chamber because that is all they know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Little Gurl Socialist does your party need a State Run Media ???????

Side: Indeed
AveSatanas(4425) Disputed
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You have a false assumption that the main stream media is liberal. MSNBC has a democratic party bias. That is not the same as a liberal bias.

CNN has a somewhat democratic bias but also a neutrality bias. They often paint issues as 50/50 when theyre not. For example they had a debate over climate change and refused to declare either side the winner when there is a clear winner and loser. They also had anderson cooper come on and attack bernie sanders and ocasio cortez's platforms doing the classic right wing "how you gonna pay for it?" schtick. If they were liberal then they would side with those people. They dont. They are part of the establishment clinton type democratic wing. not the far left.

Fox News has a republican party bias.

So sure the mainstream media is decently biased toward the democratic party but not toward liberalism and certainly not towards what could be called the "far left".

I dont even watch mainstream media at all. Mostly because i dont have cable. But if i were to i would watch them all evenly.

Mostly my news comes from independent sources and individual commentators.

Mainstream media is shit across the board. I have major gripes with every network. But the idea that theyre a totally far left radical echochamber is just not accurate.

Side: Indeed sir
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Why liberals are frustrated dealing with the modern conservative

Hello D:

The problem I have is that right wingers are educated at FOX News which results in them knowing NOTHING about the issues.. That makes debating them rather frustrating..

Here's an example.. Socialism is a BIG topic these days.. It would be NICE to discuss it. However, right wingers have NO IDEA what socialism is, except that it's BAD.. You can see that bit of stupidity being played out here every day and on myriad threads..

excon

Side: Indeed sir
WormPod(53) Disputed
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The problem I have is that right wingers are educated at FOX News

You once gave us a list of Fox News hosts who were "honest brokers", so why wouldn't we watch them?

Side: Indeed
excon(14603) Disputed
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You once gave us a list of Fox News hosts who were "honest brokers", so why wouldn't we watch them?

Hello Worm:

That's the second time you've said that, and the second time you've been wrong. That wasn't me.. Having said that. I like Bret Baer, Shep Smith, and Chris Wallace. And, I watch the liars too.

excon

Side: Indeed sir
WormPod(53) Disputed
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However, right wingers have NO IDEA what socialism is

Does the dictionary know what it is?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

socialism noun

so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \

Definition of Socialism

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Side: Indeed
excon(14603) Disputed
1 point

Hello again, Worm:

I got all that..

But, is it your local food bank?? Is it your library? Is it your fire department?? Is it your parks and recreation department???

It IS, of course..

excon

Side: Indeed sir
justicebaker Disputed
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