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God doesnt answer prayers he gives you the strength to do what you are praying for.
And you cant rely on god to do everything for you, do you still rely on your parents to do everything for you? know they taught you lessons before you grew up and went out in the world. Which is why sometimes god lets us experience unpleasant things.
just like a parent tries to warn their children but doesnt stop them
well im not the bible and millions of other christians.
Exactly. So you know youre not going according to the bible OR according to what most other people in your religion believe. Then where do you get your beliefs from? What do you base them on? Nothing.
Maybe so you are more appreciateive of life
As it comes to a fast and painful end? and as seemingly everyone else around you gets to go on enjoying it?
No, he is not unable, he is unwilling, not because he wants to see us harmede, because he lets us have our free will to do as we please, and he wants us to use our free will to glorify his ways.
I am sorry for whatever has happened to you, but if you put yourself in the mindset that god is out to get you, then you will be stuck in that mindset. God is not out to get you, shit happens to everyone everyone has an equal struggle that we all have to cope with.
If you find the strength to cope and look forward and not live in the past i am sure your life will take on a whole new meaning
If he took away our free will what would be the point of being a human being?
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” ― Epicurus
Maybe there is a purpose behind all of it. Us as humans can put an end to evil if we unified and treated each other with love instead of hate. Why do we blame God for something that we can prevent ourselves? Evil and hate are not separate from love, they are just lacking it.
That desnt even make sense and you twisted what i was trying to say, god does not value anybodys free will more than anyone elses, but shit happens and i am sorry that terrible things have happened to you, but thats life, and yea my life is far from perfect yet i am a very firm believer in god only because it gives me strength.
Belief in god does not make you invulnerable to pain
I twisted nothing. You said: God is unable to sin, and taking someones free will or intruding on it is a terrible sin and the implication of that is that God valued the freedom of my rapist more than He valued my freedom to not be raped. This is also proof that absolute freedom does not exist. You also said god does not value anybodys free will more than anyone eles, and that is obviously a lie. My own life is proof of your mistake. I was raped while some other people are not. God therefore values the right of some peopls right to feel safe more than He values my right to feel safe. Your unproven opinion is not reflected in reality.
Belief in god does not make you invulnerable to pain No shit Sherlock. ;)
No, you are completely misunderstanding, what I mean is that just like a science experiment run by scientists, who DO NOT interfere with the results AT ALL unless ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
Do you know that it was absolutely necessary for you to not be raped? no, you do not, because men are not aware of their own needs. So therefore, maybe god didn't intervene i your life because your life is supposed to play out a certain way. Its called chaos theory, one tiny, or major, decision leads to forever altered future pathways.
For example something as small of a choice as deciding not to buy a bubble gum out of the quarter machine will have profound effects on your thought processes later down the road in your life, based on whether you bought the bubble gum or not. Who knows, maybe because you bought the bubble gum and took 10 extra seconds you missed being killed in a car crash by 10 seconds.
the point i am making is noone knows what is in their best interests.
if we did know, we would know the future and we don't
Do you know that it was absolutely necessary for you to not be raped? no, you do not, because men are not aware of their own needs. You are disgusting and this is going on Google. 1. It is not needed for me to be raped. For you to say that is disgusting. 2. My right to bodily autonomy outweighs anyone's alleged right to my body. 3. There is no need to rape. 4. Who the fuck cares about the men's needs? It is my body. I have the right to not be raped. If men are that horny, that can fuck a blowup doll. Please go play in traffic. the point i am making is noone knows what is in their best interests. Rape is not in anyone's best fucking interest. You are disgusting. Oh and my last point: I will kill, litgerally kill before I am ever raped again. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Ok, you obviously don't understand what I am trying to say and if you were cooperative in arguing instead of being vicious towards someone for just expressing their beliefs you would know that it would take literally 5 years to sit down and explain everything i believe for it to make sense.
I didn't say it was needed for you to be raped, im saying there may be a deeper meaning underneath all of it that somehow pulls together maybe it is to help you become stronger?
And by saying men i mean humans.
I dont want to argue with you anymore because you are stressing me out because you fail to recognize what i am trying to say and it is very hard to explain what i am trying to say without sounding rude or insincere.
That doesnt matter the example is still there. We are not arguing about the religion, we are discussing why people don't model themselves after god, since he is the best example to want to model yourself after
Because there's no evidence supporting his existence and therfore no reason to consider his existence plausible.
And why bother modeling ourselves as something unattainable? I don't think it's beyond us to just be the best US we can be. Also I think the average human has a greater sense of morality in their big toe than god has in his entire being.
The bible is a material object, and while it may not contain all lies it doesnt contain all the truth, but it doesn't lie when it says satan is in control of this world, and the churches, government, etc....
We need a personal relationship with god, which is what the bible talks about.
the bible is a code, a book of power, not just some mythical fairytale or some autobiography.
If you think the bible is just about some old man in the sky who offers us heaven or hell then i don't have time for that ignorance
The bible is a material object, and while it may not contain all lies it doesnt contain all the truth, but it doesn't lie when it says satan is in control of this world, and the churches, government, etc....
Please explain how YOU and you alone have deciphered what are lies and what is true. How the fuck are your opinions and interperetations better than the millions of other interpretations
We need a personal relationship with god, which is what the bible talks about.
Why? Me and millions of other people are doing just fine without one. Better in fact than millions of other people who have such delusions.
the bible is a code, a book of power, not just some mythical fairytale or some autobiography.
It's 90% fairytale and 10% shitty common sense code of ethics. Until anyone can demonstrate that what is says is actually true.
If you think the bible is just about some old man in the sky who offers us heaven or hell then i don't have time for that ignorance
If you think the cat in the hat is about some cat who shows children that mischief is fun then I don't have time for your ignorance.
The bible is a significant and influential text that has had a big impact on history. However it's claims are what they are and at the end of the day it's about a sky daddy and his magic powers
Please explain how YOU and you alone have deciphered what are lies and what is true. How the fuck are your opinions and interperetations better than the millions of other interpretations
Im not the only one who can see in the bible that it clearly states satan is in control of this world, so why the hell would anyone believe the bible after that.
Why? Me and millions of other people are doing just fine without one. Better in fact than millions of other people who have such delusions.
Because you are living outside of the truth, therefore you are living a lie.
Im not the only one who can see in the bible that it clearly states satan is in control of this world, so why the hell would anyone believe the bible after that.
Wait, so because the bible says that satan controls the world that makes the bible unbelievable? Then why do you believe that part of the bible? WTF? Also, sure, theres probably people who agree with you, but theres people who dont, how are you right and theyre not?
Because you are living outside of the truth, therefore you are living a lie.
Its not the truth until you can prove it. Which you cant. So really its you who are living the lie, living the delusion.
But how many christians have read the bible and just ignore the fact that satan is in control of the governments, churches, etc...
Its not the truth until you can prove it. Which you cant. So really its you who are living the lie, living the delusion.
Ok, its a simple fact that everything we see will be gone one day. But energy does not die. So when we die, our energy does not die it must go somewhere even if we can not sense that place physically we will still be there, and that is true
But how many christians have read the bible and just ignore the fact that satan is in control of the governments, churches, etc...
If satan cannot act without gods permission than isnt it god who allowed him to become in control of the governments, churches, ect.? Also, christians read the bible and ignore alot of shit, im sure you ignore plenty as well
Ok, its a simple fact that everything we see will be gone one day.
But energy does not die. So when we die, our energy does not die it must go somewhere even if we can not sense that place physically we will still be there, and that is true
Our "energy" in the form of elements will decompose just like every other life form and will go into the ground recycled back into the Earth. Energy is not consciousness, energy is just available power that performs work in processes. We know where it goes and we have no reason to entertain the thought that our consciousness is somehow attached to it.
im not a christian i just take parts from all the religions. But this material world we see is not truth, because it will be gone one day. Immaterial energy, however, where god/intelligent designer/universal life force resides, is true because it can never dissappear.
And we know these realms exist, through science, the higgs boson, string theory, etc...
I shouldn't have to prove myself this should be remember from 6th grade science... So you are unable and unwilling to prove your claims and debate on a debate site? Why are you even here?
No I do not if you don't want to believe me then don't, but until I experience something that forces a paradigm shift, then what i experience in all parts, body, mind, and soul, is my reality.
And besides, noone can prove their own beliefs to anyone, you can't prove your beliefs to me, hell, you can't even prove to me that you actually exist as a physical entity.
I do not choose to believe or disbelieve. I simply react to the proof available to me. If you are unable to prove your claims, admit it. Otherwise, step.
Im not claiming anything im just stating my beliefs, if you believe me to be wrong then you can debate me, but my beliefs are experiential, so i can't prove them.
The law of conservation of energy does not prove an imaterial realm that a god exists in. And even if you could prove such a realm exists you cant even begin to prove a god exists in it or that we are somehow transported to it when we die
Well, I'm Atheist so I'm not really interested if I'm allowed heaven or not... but you don't have to worry because I heard retards get in automatically.
You'll become a better person when you believe in God, you'll realize the error of your old ways, you'll no longer be a slave to sin anymore, and it would be the best decision anybody could ever make.
All of this operates under the assumption that I can just choose to believe.
I mean, sure, I could go through the motions. Obtain and read a Bible, join a church, go around telling everyone I'm a believer, come here to createdebate and say I'm a new man...and it would all be a lie.
Have you ever talked to someone, and for some reason you don't believe a word coming out of their mouths? You don't choose to disbelieve them, you just aren't convinced. Even when I was a little kid and my parents took me to church, I just couldn't bring myself to believe. I tried, it just wasn't happening. And since then, I've grown up, I've learned, I've studied most of the major religions and a few minor ones, I've talked and debated with the faithful....and its 10x harder to believe than it was when I was a kid.
All of this operates under the assumption that I can just choose to believe.
It's only if God is calling you to believe in your heart to accept Him then you'll accept Him if you know you will.
I mean, sure, I could go through the motions. Obtain and read a Bible, join a church, go around telling everyone I'm a believer, come here to createdebate and say I'm a new man...and it would all be a lie.
If you really believed in Christ, you wouldn't lie about how you came to salvation. If that's the case then all Christians are liars then because they go to church, read the Bible, tell everyone that they are a new person in Christ. I'm going by your logic here.
Have you ever talked to someone, and for some reason you don't believe a word coming out of their mouths? You don't choose to disbelieve them, you just aren't convinced. Even when I was a little kid and my parents took me to church, I just couldn't bring myself to believe. I tried, it just wasn't happening. And since then, I've grown up, I've learned, I've studied most of the major religions and a few minor ones, I've talked and debated with the faithful....and its 10x harder to believe than it was when I was a kid.
If it's someone who believes in the same thing I would test it to see if it's from God and if it's not from God then then no.
t's only if God is calling you to believe in your heart to accept Him then you'll accept Him if you know you will.
The first half of your sentence suggests that I don't have any say in the matter. Suppose he doesn't call to me? Why should I even care then.
The second half is saying "you'll believe in him if you believe in him." Come on man, you've been here way too long to still make silly arguments like that.
If you really believed in Christ,
That is what I'm saying: I WOULDN'T be believing in Christ, so I would be lying. I'm not saying anything about other people, I'm saying ME. I can't believe in Christ, or at least I haven't yet, and the longer I go without being swayed while simultaneously learning more about the world, the less likely it seems I ever will.
WE DON'T CHOOSE TO BELIEVE. WE ARE CONVINCED BY WHAT WE SEE, OR WE ARE NOT.
If it's someone who believes in the same thing I would test it to see if it's from God and if it's not from God then then no.
That is ludicrous. You aren't even bothering to accept the possibility that God does not exist. If he doesn't, then none of the tests would even be valid. You'll only be "passing" those who agree with you. That isn't a test, its a conspiracy.
What does believing in God have to do with that? I have empathy. I am logical enough to see the point in a society of people who help each other. I have benefited from the sacrifice of others and feel indebted to pay it forward when the opportunity arises.
None of these require God, so my initial response remains: Why should I?
it has nothing to do with it, but when you start to wonder about the universe itself in a personal type of way and the effect that everything has on everything else, then you are getting close to god!
Why should you? Because it makes life more magical!
But this debate isnt about believing its about following a role model.
Even if he is not real you have to agree that it is a good thing to model yourself after
Why should you? Because it makes life more magical!
I disagree. Looking at the beauty, complexity and awesomeness of this world from a stand point that it was unplanned and still turned out this way anyway is, to me, more "magical" than thinking that some being we can't comprehend wanted it this way. I've never understood why some people think that the only way this life is truly incredible is if you add unknowable and unprovable concepts to its architecture.
But this debate isnt about believing its about following a role model.
Then Why is it titled "Why not believe in God?"
Even if he is not real you have to agree that it is a good thing to model yourself after
I find it more interesting, realistic and inspirational to model myself after real people who've been seen doing their good deeds by human eyes. None of us will ever be perfect, so shooting for perfection is a fool's errand. However, a person who overcame their imperfections and the pettiness of human nature and went on to do great things for society? THAT is an inspirational role model.
