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Debate Score:91
Arguments:73
Total Votes:108
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Why not believe in God, just in case its true

good idea

Side Score: 39
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Side Score: 52
Srom(12204) Banned
5 points

I already do believe and know that it's true.

Side: good idea
tugger5678 Disputed
3 points

Thats not really the point now is it?------------------------------------

Side: no
Srom(12204) Disputed Banned
6 points

I still believe in a God and not for the sore purpose of "just in case". You ether fully believe or you don't. You don't believe "just in case" that it's true.

Side: good idea
3 points

Oh man, you missed the point again and can't respond or downvote. That sucks.

Side: good idea
0 points

You should not have been banned. .

Side: good idea
4 points

I believe but even if I wasnt sure I would still practice my religion just in case whats the harm if I'm wrong? None. But if I'm right I'll be happy in the long run.

Side: good idea
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

Wait... You believe in God, just because he might be real? Well, that's a dumb reason. You're basically saying, "A lot of that stuff in the Bible doesn't add up, but I'm going to believe all of it anyways. I ain't riskin' being sent to that fiery torture chamber called Hell!".

Do you believe in all of the other religions as well, you know... Just in case?

Side: no
Client444(61) Disputed
3 points

He really didn't ever say that. You took that out of context. He said:

"I believe but even if I wasnt sure I would still practice my religion just in case whats the harm if I'm wrong? None. But if I'm right I'll be happy in the long run."

I believe, but ...

Also, about your claim up there about: "A lot of that stuff in the Bible doesn't add up, but I'm going to believe all of it anyways. I ain't riskin' being sent to that fiery torture chamber called Hell!"

If you don't take things out of context and actually think critically about the Scripture as a whole, it makes sense. Presuppositions get in the way, though, and... Well, it can be bad when that happens.

Side: good idea

You are certainly not the first to have this thought.

Please examine Pascal's Wager, it lists some of the many assumptions and faults with the proposition.

Side: no
2 points

The belief that Christians have is that if I believe in the wrong God I am going to hell as well. I am banking on them not knowing the correct God, and making sure I don't worship the wrong one.

Side: no
0 points

Well its a gamble I guess you are right but my money is on the christian god and if I'm wrong its my fault

Side: no
1 point

You have terrible odds though. There have been thousands of Gods in history that you are saying are not the true God. Just don't worry about being wrong and live a good wholesome life. If it is another God, He will probably be lenient.

Side: no
2 points

Pascal's wager. Flaws:

1) it assumes belief is a switch one can flip on and off. It is not. It is a not a matter of will but the unconscious acceptance of truth.

2) it's a false, dichotomy as in, it ignores all other alternatives. What about Hinduism? What about Wiccas goddess? These are just as likely as god and the same question can be applied to them.

3) it ignores the question reversed. What if believers are wrong? It assumes there's no reasons not to believe. There are: greater critical thinking, no fear of hell, no feeling of being a useless, pathetic sinner, greater faith in humanity, free Sundays, ect.

4) it is no reason to believe in anything. Something only warrants belief if it has evidence supporting it and can stand up to criticism. NOT because you're playing it safe just in case of some wack near impossibility.

Side: no

That's just it, god is 100% not true.

Side: no
GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
1 point

Wait... How do you know that?

Side: good idea
Idiotobx914(1340) Clarified
2 points

Note: When I say god, I often refer to the Christian/Jewish/Islam deity.

I know this because the attributes given to god by believers are impossible (ie omnipotent, omni benevolent, etc). There are also the other arguments too, such as this one.

Video
Side: good idea
tugger5678 Disputed
0 points

You dont know that just as no one knows for sure god is 100% real

Side: good idea
1 point

Please refer to my clarification to GuitarGuy about why I disagree.

Side: no
Warjin(1577) Clarified
1 point

You are what people call agnostic, you are not sure and I can understand, I myself cant prove one way or another, however I am sure that all religious Gods are wrong and not true, but as for a creator I am not sure.

Side: good idea
1 point

Meh? I'll take my chances. I like to live on the edge anyway.

Side: no

For the same reason Christians won't start believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster...

Side: no
GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
2 points

But the Church of FSM doesn't hide the fact that they made the Flying Spaghetti Monster up.

Side: good idea
1 point

At first I was going to disagree, but I think you make a good point. I was thinking, "no, they don't believe in the FSM because they know He doesn't exi-, oh dang, that's the same for Atheists"

Side: no

Why not believe in a universe without God, just in case it's true?

Side: no

I don't think I can truly change my belief simply by active choice. There have been times when I was spiritual and did believe in supernatural premises such as souls and the afterlife. There have been times when I have searched for easy answers and hoped very deeply that I could find them in spirituality. There have also been times when I was fervently opposed to any religious concept, where I viewed an active belief in such things to be not only baseless, but rather ludicrous and anachronistic. These days I have an affection for some spiritual practices and beliefs, but I do not think any of them are likely to be true, certainly not how they are presented. And I simply cannot place my faith in any Gods.

My beliefs have changed somewhat, my spirituality waxing and waning as I've aged and gone through different environments. But it was never an active choice on my part. It was a response to the world around me, the people I knew, the things I learned, my ever fluctuating emotional state. I could even fake it and convince people around me that I believe in things that I do not or vice versa. But I could never fool myself. I would always know, deep down, what I believe and don't.

And if God is real, he will know heart even better than I, right? If I can't fool myself, I surely cannot fool God.

Side: no

Which God?

Side: no
1 point

This video answers this question http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GScdUIYXglA

Not only are there thousands of other Gods who have existed as Cartman said but there are many different interpretations of the same God (the Abrahamic one) and you have no idea which is right so for all you know Christianity could have been a load of bollocks and Islam could have been the one true faith and you end up going to Hell anyway.

You may as well live your life to the full without obeying any dogmatic belief system.

Side: no

No. This "God" focuses on if being gay is a sin, while over the 2,000 years Christianity lived, there were multiple Genocides and wars. Count all the people that died, it reaches Billions. So if this "God" was real, the Holocaust and Native American Genocide would have never happened.

Side: no
Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

No... God does not focus on homosexuality. He says that a LOT of things are sin - bestiality, sleeping around, disobeying your parents, etc.

while over the 2,000 years Christianity lived, there were multiple Genocides and wars. Count all the people that died, it reaches Billions. So if this "God" was real, the Holocaust and Native American Genocide would have never happened.

No... See, you're doing it again. You're saying that evil is what God wants. Evil provides a choice of whether to do good or evil. If God wanted puppets, He would've created puppets.

Side: good idea
GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
1 point

Do you believe that it is safe to assume that evil is merely just disobedience to God?

Side: good idea
1 point

Which god are you speaking of? There's thousands of gods and if you're talking about the Christian god well there's different attributes of him in each religion.

Side: no

There has been many gods from many religions. But the question is, if any God or Deities exist, why can't we see them? Why is there NO evidence of their existence.

Side: no

Why not believe in Vishnu?

Why not believe in Allah?

Why not believe in the Great Spirit?

Why not believe in Shang-Ti?

Why not believe in the Kotoamatsukami?

Why not believe in Odin?

Why not believe in Zeus?

Why not believe in Enlil?

Why not believe in Ra?

Side: no
SitaraForJesus(3819) Disputed Banned
0 points

Allah is the Arabic word for God. I am a Christian and I use Allah.

Side: good idea
0 points

Ok, and? Strictly speaking, the Islamic, Jewish, and Christian Gods are one and the same; Yahweh, the God of Abraham. Schisms formed first dividing Judaism and Islam, and later dividing Judaism and Christianity.

That said, when one refers to ones deity as 'God' the Jewish/Christian faith is generally assumed, as the majority of religions don't refer to their deity as just 'God.' Similarly, when 'Allah' is used, Islam is presumed, because aside from the odd individual here and there (like yourself, I suppose?), only Muslimas refer to their deity as Allah. It doesn't invalidate the point I was making in any way...

Side: no
1 point

You can't force yourself to believe in something :P

Not easily anyways.

Side: no

Why not chain smoke, just in case it's good for you?

Side: no
1 point

Either way there are many different gods out there. It like trying to win the big money. You may not win. And some people just wants to live life with out trying to win big money.

Side: no
0 points

Just in case is rarely a good reason to believe something. The right reason to believe something is because it matches your personal code.

Side: no