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 Why was Jesus a compulsive liar ? (62)

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Why was Jesus a compulsive liar ?

Jesus apart from taking part in thieving , disrespecting his mother and calling a woman a dog was also a compulsive liar , was he suffering from a form of insanity that he felt this urge to constantly lie ? 

Watch the Christians scurrying for their bibles which most have never read , I have read and studied the bible extensively in the past .... anyway some of the many lies of Jesus ... ouch :) 

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen.  “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven.  For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him.  Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.  If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)

8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB




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Well said. I have asked for countless things that I didn't receive. I prayed hard without a shred of doubt. I expected it all to come but none of it did. And it made me very sad. I didn't even ask for much. I wasn't asking to move mountains. I was asking for simple things that would benefit me hugely. None of it came. I was disappointed. I still am. Unfortunately you can't trust a carpenter that was born 2000 years ago in a tiny town in the middle east with little education.

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His speech here is about himself. No one has that kind of faith but he himself.

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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Your opinion doesn't count you've never read the bible ...............

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I don't know if Jesus was a liar or not. As has been proven (whether believed or not), ALL these "writings" are 50 to 100 years ...to CENTURIES after the "fact". Word of mouth doesn't travel well at all! We don't actually KNOW anything Jesus said. It could be that these "lies" are the fault of the "storytellers", who, in their fervor to spread their belief, made a LOT of mistakes and exaggerations. The only thing, in regards to the New Testament, is that it's a jumbled mess of hearsay. The "lies" could be ANYBODY that was involved in spreading the (by then), RUMORS of their passion.

I will put little ...er..."faith", in the book until I receive an authenticated, signed copy from the author. Until then, it would be hypocritical for me to believe a stack of hearsay and questionable "truths". As Joe Friday used to say: "I'd like just the facts, ma'm."

JatinNagpal(2678) Clarified
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It's all actually pretty simple, believable things after accounting for the normal tendencies to exaggerate stories.

JatinNagpal(2678) Clarified
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Seems like my point counter is stuck.

Well, it's a fine number, I guess.

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Was Dermit the Hermit a compulsive fool? Must he keep insisting he is better, stronger, smarter than God and cannot end up stuck in Hell forever?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Must he keep insisting he is better, stronger, smarter than God and cannot end up stuck in Hell forever?

That strategy works for you. Are you upset when people copy you?

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Did you enjoy me pasting you as dermot? Did your little cheeks turn red out of embarrassment? Bwahhahahhahahhahahahhahaha

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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Now A Stain is still cowering and grovelling in the dirt to a figment of his over active imagination called god , hasn't made you any happier has it ? You're still a hate filled knob sucker who is pissed because Ray Comfort didn't butt fuck him this week :)

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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Sorry you foul mouth punk, you have succeeded in being repulsive enough that I no longer read your stuff and will ban you from my discussions the moment I see that sad miserable face of Darwin representing you.

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Bwahahahahaha! Look at dermot putting his psychological "God angst" on display for all to see. Dermot claims God isn't there, but is mad at God. The fact is, dermot didn't get his way and as a self entitled child, ran away like a coward.

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How many debates do you plan on losing dermot? It looks like you are intentionally trying to lose all of them. I'll look some more to see if you won one...

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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Now A Stain is still cowering and grovelling in the dirt to a figment of his over active imagination called god , hasn't made you any happier has it ? You're still a hate filled knob sucker who is pissed because Ray Comfort didn't butt fuck him this week :)

NowASaint(1380) Disputed
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Sorry you foul mouth punk, you have succeeded in being repulsive enough that I no longer read your stuff and will ban you from my discussions the moment I see that sad miserable face of Darwin representing you.

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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You're on your way to Hell. Sorry I can't help you. You are too stinking dirty for me to try any more....tired of your filth.

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Yeshua was not a liar. He is the way, the truth, and the life. No one gets to the Father, but by Him. He paid the ultimate price for our sins, so that we may be saved if we repent of all our sins and accept Him as our God. That is the only way to be saved.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Have you received all things you prayed for?

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I can answer that question for you, nice and easy: Nope..

Sitar(3680) Clarified
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No, but I have still been blessed. God is not a slot machine where you stick a quarter in a get a little blessing. Questions? I have plenty. 1 Thessalonians 5:12 says to test ALL things, and hold fast to what is good. That includes God. Test Him and see that He is good. I found God by questioning Him.

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Is Alto one of the apostles that Jesus was addressing in this dialogue? Nope. How's that "I know nothing about the Bible" hard on working out for ya there Cartmot?

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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He certainly was , when you get 'blessed' with the ' gift ' of comprehension maybe a rational person ( if you know one ) can help you with that list of lies .

Sitar(3680) Clarified
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Ad homenim fallacy. Yeshua was not a liar....................................................................................................................................

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Are you or any of us one of the apostles that Jesus was addressing in this dialogue? Nope. How's that "I know nothing about the Bible" hard on working out for ya there Cartmot?

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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Here's Bront ( Stumpy ) the habitual liar who said god is not a whirlwind ........

It's the other way round you said gods not a whirlwind .... wrong Stumpy 👋 How red are those cheeks Stumpy 😂

Bullshit was it ? Wrong again you're schooled again loser making you the mindless , clueless pile of crap you are ......

How many times a day do I correct you , you've lost yet again 👋👋👋👋👋

The LORD is slow to anger and great in power, And the LORD will by no means leave the guilty unpunished In whirlwind and storm is His way, And clouds are the dust beneath His feet.

You need to read your bible retard I told you I'm authority on it and I keep schooling you , here ya go open wide for your daily medicine .......

Loser 👋 Beaten again buddy 🙀🙀👋👋👋👋👋👋👋

On the third morning after Moses had talked to God, the Israelites where busy making their breakfast when all of a sudden there was a large rumble and a flash of light over the mountain. Anyone who was still sleeping were startled and woke up suddenly.

Everyone went out to look and just over the mountain there was lightning and thunder, and a very thick cloud hung over the mountain so you couldn't see the top. Even the mountain shook and the sound of trumpets could be heard getting louder and louder.

So Moses went up the mountain to hear from God once again. This time God told Moses, "Go down to the people and tell them not to follow you up the mountain, the mountain is a special place because I am here." So Moses warned the people not to touch or go to close to the mountain.

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Here's Bront ( Stumpy ) the habitual liar who said god is not a whirlwind

Nope. You said and I quote. " commandments in a whirlwind". Ver batum.

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Dermot

Yes , deeper concepts, 😂😂😂zombie Jesus maybe ? Virgin birth ?

Commandments from a voice in a whirlwind ?😂😂😂😂😂😂

Link to dermot saying it

www.createdebate.com/debate/show/Atheism vsReligion#arg823265

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Well, Jesus was either human, or he is a god who took human form. If you're going to be human then sooner or later you're going to let some good ones slip.

Except for me, of course.