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Why would you believe anything on faith?
I never understood why some people use faith to justify their beliefs. Is there anything you couldn't believe on faith? Your position on any given subject is either true or false and whether you take it on faith or not is irrelevant to whether that position is the correct one. I find it funny when someone tells me that they know something to be true because their faith tells them that it is true. Knowledge is demonstrable. If you can't show it then you don't know it. Faith is a good way to be wrong.
You are mistaking the word faith as synonym for evidence. I believe that the food I eat is safe to do so because I have a reasonable expectation that it is based on evidence and past experiences. If the meat in my fridge smells wrong then I know that it might not be good.
You don't understand logical deduction. That doesn't make you crazy, just stupid.
You seem to be a fan of nonsensical word salad. Saying that I am weak and scared does nothing to confirm your position. If you have good reasons then you should give them. Read first Peter 3-15.
I don't know what the point of that link was. It was just a religious Facebook page. So what? You seem to think restating your position over and over again makes it valid in some way. Your position has ever sign of a self deletion. Give me evidence and reasoned arguments or your position is worthless.
It looks like a Facebook page made by someone whose main focus is revelations and promoting nonsensical word salad. Everyone should believe in God because he is the one true God and he is coming and that is why you should believe because this is all true. Believe it because you should believe it. I find it funny how religious proclamations always sound like the insane ramblings of a mad man.
The Bible describes the end of days in a timeline.
1)Gospel goes worldwide. It has. Then...
2)There is a falling away from the faith, and an assault on the faith by unbelievers (atheists) and the beast's religious syetem at the same time. Islam claims to be the beast system from Revelation. The genocide described in Revelation by the bast system is fulfilled by Muslims and the unbeliever assault on the faith is being fulfilled by atheists, and both at once, just as it said would happen.
Gospel goes worldwide, assault by atheism, beast system persecution and genocide all at once as predicted.
And for good measure, it tells us a lot more about this specific time period, like Damascus, Syria being reduced to rubble and Israel existing again.
So your argument is that there is a global conspiracy by the UN, Islamic eschatology, Atheism, Assad, Russia, and Barak Obama to make Bible prophecy come true.......
I dare you to try and explain away the first 3 plus Israel being a nation again and Damascus being reduced to rubble during this time. And if you can, I have more specifics for you that you'll have to try and explain away on top of those.
That sounds a lot like every time in history. When your predictions are vague and nonsensical then you can apply them to just about anything. The genocide of the Jews by Christians during the holocaust 72 years ago. The genocide of Muslims and pagans during the Spanish inquisitions 500 years ago. The genocide of Christians by Buddhist in Japan 150 years ago. The genocide of Mormons in America 120 years ago. The genocide of Christians by other Christians in ever year since the first century. You are only arguing for the abandonment religion.
You don't understand logic in general. That's why you sound crazy. You show that your religious belief is the most harmful thing in your life.
The genocide of the Jews by Christians during the holocaust 72 years ago.
Has nothing to do with a religious system that genocides Christians.
The genocide of Muslims and pagans during the Spanish inquisitions 500 years ago.
Has nothing to do with a religious system that genocides Christians.
The genocide of Christians by Buddhist in Japan 150 years ago.
It tells us what the religious system does to Christians, and Islam actually does what the Bible says said religious system will do, and more specifically, actually claims to be said religious system fromthe book of Revelation.
The genocide of Mormons in America 120 years ago.
More of the same.
The genocide of Christians by other Christians in ever year since the first century.
More of the same.
You are only arguing for the abandonment religion.
Not really. You conveniently left out Mao and Stalin's mass kill count in your mindless rant that didn't even follow the logic of the debate.
You have massive victim complex. Mao and Stalin formed a religion of the state. People of every religion have committed genocide against everyone else or each other at one time or another. You are taking something that has always been and called it a fulfilment of prophecy. That is the very opposite of a fulfilled prophecy. A prophecy is a very specific prediction that can only be fulfilled by that one event.
They were mass murdering atheists. Yes. We know...
People of every religion have committed genocide against everyone else or each other at one time or another.
Even Janes? I doubt it.
You are taking something that has always been and called it a fulfilment of prophecy.
Israel didn't become a nation for over 2,000 years in 1948. Islam didn't exist when the New Testament was written, nor would it exist for 700 years. Damascus wasn't reduced to rubble until Barack Obama's Presidency. The gospel didn't go worldwide until some point in the late 1900s or early 2000s, depending on when it spread across the internet or went worldwide prior to the internet. Atheism was virtually nonexistent in Biblical times because they had no explanation outside of superstition, myth, or religion.
That is the very opposite of a fulfilled prophecy.
Actually it's the very definition of a prophecy...
A prophecy is a very specific prediction that can only be fulfilled by that one event.
Millions of people had no way of knowing that Jesus ever existed, how could they have ever been "saved" if christianity is true?
1)I've never claimed it is or isn't true. I offered a theory and evidence for said theory.
2)The notion of God saving everyone or owing anyone anything isn't Biblical. Quite the opposite. It depicts a rebellious world set against Him that doesn't please Him overall, but is allowed to exist for His purpose, a world of darkness that has specks of light. That light is His focus. (Parable of the wheat and the chaff)
3)Many of the beliefs on hell aren't actually in the Bible.
4)There are verses from the Sermon on the Mount that discuss what happens to the merciful and the forgiving that never says "Christians" in them. Point of fact, the apostles weren't called Christians, Jesus never used the word Christian, and the word Christian was actually created by the Romans to mock people who followed Jesus.
5)Christ came for the Jews. The Gentiles that get saved are "chosen" according to Jesus himself. What happens specifically to each person who doesn't believe, etc? That's another debate and quite a long one. Purge if you want the debate.
6)From a purely logical perspective, the Bible depicts its spread, and not a magical gospel that magically went or should have went worldwide in a magic day.
7)According to the Bible the gospel isn't a magic saving spell. It's a witness that testifies as knowledge in the end against or for the nations.
8)Humans think it's about them and what they think. The Bible says it's all God's and was created for God's purpose, and created by Him, for Him, and for no other reason.
9)If God is omniscient, you and me feeling discomfort, angst, or confusion doesn't make him wrong or even matter in the end.
That's funny coming from the biggest snowflake on this site.
Yes, and the old testament didn't exist when the Rig Veda was written. That is why Hinduism is the oldest religion still being practiced.
The Islamic religion started in the year 610 CE so it has existed for 1408 years.
The word "Atheist" was used by the Romans to describe Christians because to the Romans, they didn't have a God because they worshipped a dead guy.
Revelations doesn't give the date of fulfillment, doesn't mention the names of any countries outside of the middle east, and it doesn't mention any modern people. It's just a mash up of vague incoherent nonsense.
It's so vague that you could never tell when it was being fulfilled. That's why the Christians thought it was the end times in every century since the first century.
You are just apart of another generation of nut jobs that us normal people have to deal with.
Hinduism is not the oldest religion still being practed, there are still tribes that have maintained their ancestral traditions going back tens of thousands of years. They can be found in Africa , Australia and Asia.
You are talking about polytheistic paganism like voodoo or tribal God. They are not historically respected because they don't have longstanding religious texts. That means they are passed down through word of mouth. Have you ever played a game of telephone? Try doing it over hundreds of generation's. They are just put under a blanket term of polytheists.
You show that your religious belief is the most harmful thing in your life.
1)I don't claim that I'm even right, nor am I particularly religious. It's why I call you names and blast you nonstop with no remorse.
2)You asked for evidence. Getting pissed when it's offered shows a serious character flaw and pretty much proves that you didn't actually want any evidence, and wouldn't accept it even if it were blatantly true and obvious.
3)You didn't rebuttal in any way how Israel would be a nation again in the end, Atheism will begin attacking Christians/Christ, the beast system (Which Islam emmulates and claims to be) begins beheading and mass genociding Christians, and Damascus, Syria is reduced to rubble.(Which happened during Obama's term between mass bombings by the U.S., Russia, and Assad.
1. I'm not pissed. At this point I just find you to be funny and a little sad, like the village idiot.
2. Having Israel become a Nation again is in not evidence that the Bible is true. It was thanks to the UN that it even happened in the first place. Saying Israel is a fulfilled prophecy is like saying a house is a fulfilled prophecy written by the contractor. People set a goal and they obtained it.
I'm not pissed. At this point I just find you to be funny and a little sad, like the village idiot
Yes, with nerry a good rebuttal. It must hurt to be unable to debate well against an idiot. What's sad is to demand evidence, then have to be baited multiple times to even look at what is presented.
It was thanks to the UN that it even happened in the first place
Right before the other things began happening. Explain that to yourself. What's your claim Wolfgang? It's a global conspiracy by the UN, Islamic eschatology, Atheism, the Russians, Assad, and Obama to make the Bible come true...
The Bible had nothing to do with it. We recognized the wrongs that have been done to the Jewish people throughout history so the UN saw it as a good way to make things right by officially recognizing a Jewish state. People are relevant, the Bible isn't. No one cares about your book because it is useless to us as a species.
No one cares about your book because it is useless to us as a species
Not if you have no good rebuttal. And you don't. You can't explain it, but you aren't claiming it's a global conspiracy either, so you are yet to actually have an answer.
Some of them might have but on the whole, no. The Bible is irrelevant. They saw people that were having a ruff go of things and they helped them out. You are arguing for correlation and not causation.
No. I'm arguing for how 5 things that could more easily not come true in a given time did come true during a given time, of which you have no response.
Islam didn't have to exist. It does.
Israel didn't have to be a country. It is.
Damascus didn't have to be reduced to rubble. It was.
The gospel didn't have to go worldwide. It almost went extinct multiple times. But it did go worldwide.
Atheism didn't have to manifest in force and then become militant against Christianity.
And, all 5 most certainly did not have to manifest onto the world stage in a small given time period.
Finally, there's way more than this. I only gave you 5 for simplicity.
The Bible had nothing to do with it. We recognized the wrongs that have been done to the Jewish people throughout history so the UN saw it as a good way to make things right by officially recognizing a Jewish state
And right before everything else happened.
Israel wasn't a country when the prophecy was made, nor were they a country up until 1948.
And amazingly, after being pro Palestine, you make this argument...
That sounds a lot like every time in history. When your predictions are vague and nonsensical then you can apply them to just about anything
So explain to us what is vague about the gospel going worldwide, unbelief moving in and mocking Christ, a religious system that beheads and genocides Christians, Damascus being reduced to rubble and Israel being a country.
I don't need to read the OP to know that it is born of the writer's faith in thinking that death exonerates him and he will not be judged by God.
Faith is what moves us to act upon things we cannot see, like when you are paid by a check and cannot see the real money. You take that check to the bank in faith, believing you will get the real money. If the check does not bounce, your faith is proved to be valid. If the check bounces, your faith in the check is invalidated.
Militant atheism, which primarily tries to discredit the gospel of Jesus Christ and the reality of Judgement at His throne which all must appear for, is so mindless and blinded by it's own anger that it causes many of it's followers to lose their ability to reason.
I'll drink to that! If we would start to look at FACTS that show WE are responsible for our own lives and planet, not some "god" that will save us, (even if we kill ourselves and everything around us!), take us to a better place where everything is peaceful and right. It should punish us for destroying its "creation" and "creations". The whole concept makes NO sense!
The one about the 72 virgins is even MORE ridiculous! That's about a 3 months supply ... for eternity. Good deal! Twenty people die ... a tragedy, BUT, ONE was saved ... a MIRACLE from GOD! No, somebody fucked up, and one was lucky! We can't survive on mythology, we need to face the FACTS ... and not the "alternate ones"!
Faith is based on evidence. For instance, I believe in God because of evidence. I realize that some fools claim that there is no evidence, but that is the reason I call them fools.
Have you looked in the dictionary under 'faith'? Here you go: belief that is not based on proof. Provide your evidence, and collect your Nobel prize, or don't. Not my problem if you think I'm the fool when you're the one who bases their life on a foundation of wishful thinking.
Belief without proof which is acceptable as verification for a non-believer does not mean that unaccepted belief is wrong. People generally believe things due to some facts which persuade them to believe.
When a person you trusts pays you by check, you believe you can get money from the bank for that check. You have no proof, yet in faith you process the check and expect money. If the check is declared invalid, your faith was invalid. If the check clears and you are paid, you have proved the issuer good for his word on the check.
Why do atheists have to be insulting and unreasonable, even when it comes to the simple concept of faith? The only faith they really want to believe is invalid is the only faith which promises eternal punishment against sin in the fire of Hell. Why is it so important to atheists to try to discredit something they cannot prove wrong and which they will accept no proof of being right?
There is only one proof of the reality of eternal damnation of sinners in the lake of fire which an atheist cannot deny after their time is finalized and they leave this world forever: to find themselves unable to get out of the fire (and even then, I suppose, some small part in their brain will insist it is not real and cannot be forever).
If you believe the essence of reality is true, you believe that there is a Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
You believe in the ultimate reality on faith.
If you do not believe in the supreme being, you do not even really believe in facts, as there are no facts without supreme truth.
If you do not believe in ultimate reality, concocting facts is a creative game. However, unbelief in ultimate reality does not undermine the necessary fact that it exists.
Understand what I mean by faith, and then read this.
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. "
Whether reality is real or not is irrelevant to the fact that I live in it. Even if reality is just a simulation and we are all in the matrix it is still reality as it pertains to us.
You literally just described faith as belief through gullibility. You believe in things that you can't physically experience because someone told you to.
No, I think it is fairly sound reasoning. My faith is not through gullibility.
The reality I experience is not the ultimate reality. The fact that I am ever surprised or wrong proves this conclusively.
The God I believe in is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, which though I cannot see, everything in creation acts as evidence to the necessity of such a being.
No, I believe in God because it doesn't make sense to believe in anything else otherwise.
Actually, I don't give a damn about atheistic OR theistic arguments. I looked the situation over and decided theistic arguments made no sense. I have not seen one that did, all resemble mythology and I have not seen ONE thing in my 80 years to change my mind. You believe what YOU want, I'll certainly believe what I want, and nothing on the www will change that.
Not mythology, absolutely true, and the easiest thing to admit belief in.
"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
The Satanic religion puts out colorful statements similar to that, should I have faith in them also?? No thank you.
Again, I see NO proof in your "ultimate reality", just mythology. Statements written by MAN and attributed to a "god".
If only God would hold a book signing, I'd try to be there. Would the author be called "God" or "Allah" or something else?? I suppose HE could get me there if HE wanted, kind of like "Beam me up Scotty."?
I'm happy for you. I would NEVER try to take your belief away from you, or my daughter who is Catholic, or my daughter who is Baptist. I do NOT try to interfere with ANYONE'S religion or belief ... until they try to change the Constitution or tell me I am stupid to not believe what THEY see as the ultimate reality.
"Why do [I] dispute this?" Simply because I don't see the "evident truth". If YOU can't see the "evident truth" about Climate Change when there is SOOO much evident truth that we need to DO something, and there is sooo much evident truth that we CAN, well....
I am not using the scientific scripture quoted as truth of anything, the supreme and ultimate reality proves itself. You believe what you want, I see a different ultimate reality that proves itself.
You couldn't take my faith away from me if you tried, and if you did try, it would not offend me.
It doesn't matter what people say God is as it pertains to The Actuality. By nature I say things that may put the faith of others in question. I believe this is an innate right. I pray that what rises from the ashes of these broken fetishes is The Most Perfect Image with The Spirit of Truth.
Of course, there is always something that needs to be done about climate change. This has always been a motivating force behind the actions of civilization.
I see climate change as the Mongols sweeping down the plains, destroying and subjugating everything they stampede over in conquest. Don't dump things into rivers? It is nice to breathe air that is clean? Is anyone really arguing about this stuff? Look around Texas, there are wind farms everywhere, solar panels, all sorts of clean forms of energy. There is a huge market for it. Pretty much everyone agrees that we don't want to live in a shit hole country.
I mean, what are we really talking about? Climate change can mean ANYTHING. It's a magic trick. I'm open to the idea of hearing on it on a 1 to 1 basis, where you explain to me what you are talking about and I address that. It wouldn't be wise to assume to know what you are talking about when the language involved leaves to the imagination many possibilities. You have to understand, you are talking to an individual, not a homogenization of stereotypes parroting off a bunch of propaganda I've heard other people say.
Am I that? Probably. Who isn't in some way? We all use words, don't we?
I can only speak for myself. I don't think it would be wise for me to assume to understand what you mean when you say, "climate change". There are vast implications to that subject.
You can only believe in evolution, you can't show it. Your faith is taking you into the fire of Hell, and that will be shown to you if you will not believe it and repent of your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who is God the Son who died for you.
If God didn't want us to do these things, then why did he make them feel so good? If God were as smart as you people claim he is, then surely he'd make doing drugs and having sex feel like dying on a crucifix, and make dying on a crucifix feel like doing drugs and having sex? Makes no sense to me why he'd make sin feel awesome and devotion feel awful. Not unless he's a troll, in which case it makes perfect sense.
You have demons scrambling your brains so you can't hear simple truth.
I think this is an interesting comment because it really illustrates the irrationality of society. If you claim to hear demons talking to you then you are with certainty going to be forced into psychiatric care. However, claim the demons are talking to everyone else and society is apparently fine with that.
What is your problem? I was not talking to you and I'm not going to dignify you jumping in on the conversation. I'm not going to read your stuff, I know you well enough by your words....you have nothing for me.
Grow up. If you want to talk to me, show some decency and manners somewhere other than here where I simply stated that I am not accepting you in the conversation I was having with another person.
What is even more absurd is the adherence people have to the idea that wishful thinking concerning not a deity, but their deity automatically puts them on a moral high ground. Never mind the fact that there exists no evidence to support the claim of a god, much less one that created us or even gives a shit about us, never mind that if such a deity did exist then out of the thousands of gods that have been dreamed up by mankind, one of them happened to get it right, and you just happened to be born into it. I'm not going to make a religion out of an imaginary friend, nor am I going to get in someone's face to tell them I'm a better person than they are until they bow down to my imaginary friend, so if you have an imaginary friend and you want to tell me I'm going to an imaginary hell over it, FUCK OFF AND DO IT IN YOUR OWN CORNER. I won't bother you until your imaginary friend tells you to change legislature.
Uh- huh. The devil. Another character shamelessly dreamed up and paraded, and one of the more useful tools of the "spiritually" minded to claim moral superiority. Complete with equal supporting evidence to confirm its existence as the christian god, Thor, Santa Clause, mermaids, the list goes on and on. If you want to live your life in perpetual fear of the boogeyman, that's you're problem, but the rest of us have outgrown that shit.
It's like denying the existence of gravity and stepping off a cliff. Guess what happens? Your failure to acknowledge the truth changes nothing. God is real. You will learn this one day. Every knee will bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You have a limited time to accept this truth. Once you die, and you will die, it is too late. BTW, why don't you step off that cliff and let us know how it works out. If you disbelieve gravity hard enough, you might luck out. LOL!
It's like denying the existence of gravity and stepping off a cliff. Guess what happens? Your failure to acknowledge the truth changes nothing. God is real.
Well, it's really not, is it? Gravity is fully demonstrable to every living thing on Earth and is supported by a wealth of scientific evidence. God is kind of like the opposite of that.
It is also fully demonstrable that nothing physical can create itself. That being the case, where did the PHYSICAL universe come from? The only possible explanation is that it was created...by a Creator.
b : something that furnishes proof : testimony; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2 : one who bears witness
Definition of proof
1 a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact
Definition of faith
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction
Definition of conviction
2 a : a strong persuasion or belief
b : the state of being convinced
3 a : the act of convincing a person of error or of compelling the admission of a truth
b : the state of being convinced of error or compelled to admit the truth
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Basically, what all this means is.. proof is evidence that mind has been changed, which is always the result being convinced of error or compelled to admit the truth.
Faith! If you believe anything at all, you believe on faith.
Why would anyone think otherwise? They have superstitious ideas.
I would truly believe that an all encompassing force who created everything and continues to define the reality we live in, who is yin and yang and makes up the definition of chance and quantum engineering, who defines the parameters in to which I derive my existence that I may never understand. But the second he screws me over, everybody can fuck themselves.
Believing on faith is something we all do in our lives. It really means reliance on a source of information without knowing it personally for ones self. Most people put faith in their doctors even to the point of putting their life in their hands without knowing first hand that the information being told to them is the truth. Its not irrational, its because there is a reasonable logic that the doctor would be a reliable source for that information. The same thing with religious faith. For example a jew may be convinced that its hard to fake the whole bible on the mountain in front of thousands of people experience, especially since there is an unbroken chain of tradition from then, so he's convinced from reason its true. Now he'll believe details in that tradition even if each detail he can't prove on its own.
Believing on faith is something we all do in our lives.
Really ? You may I certainly do not
It really means reliance on a source of information without knowing it personally for ones self.
Incorrect , the term faith as used by believers is based on “spiritual “ conviction rather than proof , neat attempt to redefine the term to suit your narrative
Most people put faith in their doctors
They don’t , they have an expectation that the doctor knows what he’s doing based on how effective he /she is
even to the point of putting their life in their hands without knowing first hand that the information being told to them is the truth.
We assume in most cases that the doctor has our interests in mind as that is what they tend to do is it not ?
Its not irrational, its because there is a reasonable logic that the doctor would be a reliable source for that information.
Yes
The same thing with religious faith
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. For example a jew may be convinced that its hard to fake the whole bible on the mountain in front of thousands of people experience, especially since there is an unbroken chain of tradition from then, so he's convinced from reason its true.
The same way a Muslim might assume Muhammad was the last and therefore correct divine prophet to have a revelation and thus your claim is negated
Now he'll believe details in that tradition even if each detail he can't prove on its own.
Yes , thank you for admitting how irrational that is
