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They'll SAVE America Hoisted on their own petard
Debate Score:38
Arguments:28
Total Votes:48
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With their re-election in doubt, the right wing will ABANDON Trump with abandon..

Hello:

But, they'll all go at once..  None of 'em has the nerve to act alone..

Once abandoned, I think Trump'll QUIT.


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They'll SAVE America

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Hoisted on their own petard

Side Score: 24
1 point

Trump's not a quitter but the people are currently somewhat dissatisfied at his softly-softly approach with the left-wing insurgent filth and the Only Black Lives Matter terrorist organisation.

Trump is keeping his powder dry for the moment but when the time is right he will let fly with both barrels at the anarchist left-wing filth as well as the OBLM and we'll see a resurgence of his popularity followed by his inevitable re-election.

Side: They'll SAVE America
2 points

Trump's not a quitter

But he is though. He's filed for bankruptcy four times. He's abandoned countless businesses. He's never achieved anything in his life. Everything he has was given to him.

I remember actually working this out one day. Adjusting for the rate of inflation, if he'd kept the 400 million dollars his daddy gave him in the bank and not spent any of it, he'd have only a few million dollars less than what he declares he has. The fascists want to sell a reality which is not real, where Trump is a working class hero who clawed his way up through the gutter to become a billionaire, when of course this is not what happened at all. Trump is the spoiled brat son of a notorious racist and con man who got rich from taking federal money, providing sub-standard housing and pocketing the profit.

Side: Hoisted on their own petard
excon(14590) Disputed
2 points

when the time is right he will let fly with both barrels at the anarchist left-wing filth as well as the OBLM

Hello M:

Lemme see.. While the world is protesting police abuse of black people, you want the police to abuse more of 'em??

That'll work.

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Side: Hoisted on their own petard
BananaLunch(4) Disputed
0 points

Lemme see.. While the world is protesting police abuse of black people, you want the police to abuse more of 'em??

No way. Abolish them. They tried a police free zone in Seattle. Multiple rapes, 5 people shot. There were almost as many black people shot just in the CHAZ than black men killed by cops all of last year. If the Seattle cops were commanded to do their jobs, the CHAZ's kill count would be zero. But, Seattle's cops work for a Democrat who thinks 5 people being shot is a "summer of love".

Side: They'll SAVE America
1 point

Trump's not a quitter

Hello again, M:

This isn't about Trump.. It's about the congressmen up for re-election..

It IS about Trumps POLL numbers, though, and he's way behind. If Lyndsey Graham and the other vulnerable senators think Trump is gonna lose, they're NOT gonna risk their seats. They'll turn on him in a heartbeat..

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Side: They'll SAVE America
JasonRiley(40) Disputed
2 points

This isn't about Trump.. It's about the congressmen up for re-election..

Almost none of them supported him when he won.

It IS about Trumps POLL numbers, though, and he's way behind.

He was at 34% with gallup the day he won.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/197576/trump-favorability-trails-presidents-elect.aspx

If Lyndsey Graham and the other vulnerable senators think Trump is gonna lose, they're NOT gonna risk their seats. They'll turn on him in a heartbeat..

In South Carolina? Why would he need anyone of them now when he had none of them when he won?

Side: Hoisted on their own petard

That's just another liberal talking point, that along with polls showing Trump trailing far behind. This is an attempt by the MSM to deflate Trump supporters like they did in 2016. Not buying it, I'm going to vote in November and Trump WILL be reelected.

Side: They'll SAVE America
1 point

That's just another liberal talking point, that along with polls showing Trump trailing far behind.

Lol. I'm sorry, are liberals not supposed to talk about their political opposition self-imploding?

Not buying it, I'm going to vote in November and Trump WILL be reelected.

Yeah, so we should automatically disregard everything you say because you've made two things clear with that statement:-

A) You're so unwell with whatever narcissistic personality disorder you have that you think you can shape the future just by willing it into being.

B) You are prepared to vote for a fascist who believes his "authority is total" and who has in 4 short years caused the US to become THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE ENTIRE WORLD.

Side: Hoisted on their own petard
1 point

Fascists are socialists and that's on your side. That's why you support the anti-fascist fascist group, Antifa.

The fact that you support the left proves what a retard you are. We're a laughing stock because of the collective hissy fit the left has shown over the past few weeks with all the riots and destruction. What a bunch of losers!

Side: They'll SAVE America
-1 points

For Biden?

Seriously?

The guy would be unelectable in any respectable campaign based on the fact that he's a borderline dementia case alone. That's just putting aside his already deal-breaking policies. Don't get me wrong, I won't say Trump isn't a cunt. But if the right wing abandons him for anyone, it'll be a third party before Joe.

Side: They'll SAVE America
BurritoLunch(5142) Clarified
1 point

That's just putting aside his already deal-breaking policies.

You Americans really confuse me. You've got a guy in office who has caused America to become the single worst affected country in the coronavirus pandemic because he actually believed he knew more than his own health experts. Over two and a half million Americans are seriously ill. Over 100,000 Americans have died as a result of Trump's narcissism and incompetence, which is more than in any war since probably Vietnam, and you are talking about Biden's policies being "deal-breaking".

You are insane pal. The only reason you don't realise you are insane, is because you live in a country where most other people are equally insane.

Side: They'll SAVE America
3 points

I doubt it. Those that still support him have overlooked everything he's done in the last 4 years that they would have destroyed anyone else for. They won't stop that now. That'd be like admitting what everyone else has known for years, he's an idiot who thinks of himself more than the country he's supposed to be leading.

Side: Hoisted on their own petard

I doubt it. Those that still support him have overlooked everything he's done in the last 4 years that they would have destroyed anyone else for.

That's (partly) how you know it's fascism. It's the cult mentality.

Side: Hoisted on their own petard
2 points

My hope is that the republican party will come out of this so damaged that they'll never be a viable party again and will soon be relegated to the trash heap of history along with the all the other dead political parties. I hope this might be the end of fascism for the next hundred years or even better, forever.

And I agree with you on another thing - Trump will soon quit. I can imagine that the GOP is begging him to do so now. He's so damaged politically now that the only hope the GOP has is to run Pence. This is the opportunity that Pence has been dreaming of. Pence will then go down in flames in November.

Side: Hoisted on their own petard
JasonRiley(40) Disputed
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My hope is that the republican party will come out of this so damaged that they'll never be a viable party again and will soon be relegated to the trash heap of history along with the all the other dead political parties.

Everyone now knows just how fake the Democrat media is and can see what you're doing in the streets to each other.

I hope this might be the end of fascism for the next hundred years or even better, forever.

Leftists are using guns to take over cities and "make demands". No right wingers are even present. They're at home.

And I agree with you on another thing - Trump will soon quit.

Exactly what CNN claimed in 2016. They always recycle narratives whether it worked the first time or not.

I can imagine that the GOP is begging him to do so now. He's so damaged politically now that the only hope the GOP has is to run Pence. This is the opportunity that Pence has been dreaming of. Pence will then go down in flames in November.

Looks like we found the left wing Alex Jones. You look like a tin foil hat wearer.

Side: They'll SAVE America
2 points

Everyone now knows just how fake the Democrat media is and can see what you're doing in the streets to each other.

You are an absolute joke. You are so fake that you won't even stay on the same account for longer than three posts because you are too busy logging in and out of your multitude of fake user accounts to give your own fascist bullshit fake support and fake votes. Whatever you are guilty of you accuse your enemies of and that's the infuriatingly evil fascism the world knows and has seen before. They have seen Hitler use Communists and Jews as scapegoats to paint Nazis as the innocent victims of oppression. They have seen Hitler go after the press every day accusing them of bias and lies against the Nazis. They have seen the damage and the destruction your insanity leads us to.

Side: Hoisted on their own petard
0 points

With their re-election in doubt, the right wing will ABANDON Trump with abandon..

From the same genius who gave us these priceless gems:

Mark this moment, Kavanaugh is DONE!

Mark this moment as the beginning of the end of Trump and the GOP. Kavanaugh is finished and what comes next is a political bloodbath for the GOP. The House will turn blue and very likely the Senate will as well. Finally!

https://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/Mark thismomentKavanaughisDONE4

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Tom Arnold Says He’s ‘Taking Trump Down’

“This dude has all the tapes — this dude has everything,” said Arnold of Trump’s former lawyer.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tom-arnold-taking-trump-down-with-michael-cohens-help us5b2cff6ae4b0321a01d087a8

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Young man, are you looking forward to going to war?

Well this is your lucky day! Better get ready to go, cause John Bolton loves war.

Uncle Sam needs YOU!

https://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/Young manareyoulookingforwardtogoingtowar

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The Mueller investigation is about to lower the boom on Trump

I know you radicalized Reich wing extremists will deny this just as you deny most other reality,

but your wake up call is very near.

https://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/The MuellerinvestigationisabouttolowertheboomonTrump

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Trump is making his move against Mueller. How will America react to his firing?

It's clear that Trump is about to get Mueller fired which will be a turning point for the United States. Will we tolerate a totalitarian regime or will we finally stand up to Trump's tyranny?

https://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/Trump ismakinghismoveagainstMuellerHowwillAmericareacttohis_firing

Side: Hoisted on their own petard
0 points

From the same genius who gave us these priceless gems

A guilt by association fallacy, huh? You were wrong about this thing, therefore you are wrong about this different thing?

The reason you use these fallacies instead of addressing the points made and defending them is because you are a fascist. Plain and simple, that is what you are.

Side: They'll SAVE America
2 points

It's actually not guilt by association, it's called precedential ad hominem.

However, every post you make trying to discredit people just by calling them fascists is a guilt by association fallacy.

Side: Hoisted on their own petard
PinkGremlin(40) Disputed
1 point

From the same genius who gave us these priceless gems

A guilt by association fallacy, huh?

You say a lot of Hitlerian things, so you are guilty of Nazism by association. You are also guilty of having sex with 6 year old girls for defending Muhammed. You are a sick little puppy. Your nipples are getting hard as you read this.

Side: Hoisted on their own petard
PinkGremlin(40) Disputed
0 points

A guilt by association fallacy, huh? You were wrong about this thing, therefore you are wrong about this different thing?

In this case, the person has been wrong every time horribly, and this time is no exception.

Side: Hoisted on their own petard