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Yes it would be No it wouldn't
Debate Score:62
Arguments:45
Total Votes:66
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Would the world be a better place without religion?

from here on would the world be better off without religion?

Yes it would be

Side Score: 25
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No it wouldn't

Side Score: 37
3 points

There wouldn't be as much prejudice in the world. People would not hate each other simply from difference. There wouldn't be as many wars as there are now.

Side: Yes it would be
OliverJDH(131) Disputed
2 points

This argument could equally apply for political ideologies or cultural practices...anything which prevents us from being one homogeneous species. I'm no advocate of religion, but the legacies of Jesus and the Buddha have as much a right to exist as those of Marx or Ghandi.

Side: No it wouldn't
Iamyoufather(62) Disputed
2 points

I mean from here on in if everyone stopped believing, not if everything religious never happened.

Side: Yes it would be
Assface(406) Disputed
1 point

Buddy, there are some people in the world who'll hate you over the way you use your knife and fork. I'm one of them.

Side: No it wouldn't
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
1 point

Buddy, you've ran into the wrong neighbourhood

Side: Yes it would be
2 points

Good things religion has given us. Art, a little culture, and a hell of a lot to put in the history books. Bad things.. Wars, unquestionably undeniable, Racism, Fascism, Single minded Extremism, patriotism, stupidity, separation, false hope, Aids ( By order of the pope not to use condoms) countless millions dead.. Shall i go on. You would have to be out of your right mind ( or a theist ) to think the world would NOT be a better place without all these problems.

Side: Yes it would be
OliverJDH(131) Disputed
2 points

War, racism, fascism and patriotism are not the products of religion - they are as a result of many social factors and I would go so far to say that in the majority of cases religion has made very little if any contribution. If we are going to attack religion as a whole, it ought to be on the grounds that it propounds faith over reason - a closed mind and a suppressed faculty for wonder - which I agree, the world would be better without.

Don't get me wrong, religion is responsible for many serious evils - many wars, abuse of women, genocide (Moses was a culprit himself) - however these would occur in a secular society too. We fight barbarically over land and resources and political influence - us atheists are not all angels, just as not all those who describe themselves as religious are war-mongering segregationists.

Side: No it wouldn't

I ('d like to) think he was more arguing that religion has increased the occurences of such horrible aspects of life, being a contributing factor, rather than the cause. I feel religion is often used as a tool for many of the things he talked about, to convince people to do evil, rather than being part of the root of the problem, which you seem to agree with in the second part of your argument.

But I do think that religion has directly caused at a significant number of conflicts (significant in absolute terms, rather than in comparison to the total number of conflicts). India's Hindu/Muslim divide, the Israel/Palestine conflict, the Crusades, among many others. While some of these would be prevented with a lack of religion, I do agree that they would be somewhat replaced, yet I cannot help but feel that preventing some conflict would be beneficial to society.

Side: No it wouldn't
2 points

Religion is false, a tool of distraction so we dont notice whats really out there, look it up, all these "saviors" are alot the same, born on 25th to a virgin, visited by three kings, etc. its all based on the sun and other astrological signs, no religion would help people finally wake up and realize it only puts people in power

Side: Yes it would be

Of course it would, think of all the atheists that wouldn't be here.

Side: Yes it would be
Warlin(1213) Disputed
1 point

You're such a punk.

Side: No it wouldn't
Cynical(1948) Disputed
0 points

Atheism isn't a religion...

Side: No it wouldn't
2 points

He probably means that without religion, the Atheists wouldn't need to be on CD to harass the believers. ;)

Side: No it wouldn't
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
1 point

Since when. Is it not something you believe ?

4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Supporting Evidence: Definition of religion (www.merriam-webster.com)
Side: Yes it would be
1 point

I genuinely believe religion was the driving force behind the Dark Ages being so stagnant.

Side: Yes it would be
Axmeister(4322) Disputed
2 points

(You haven't been on in a while)

Saying Christianity was the reason why Medieval Europe was so "stagnant" is like saying that Christianity was the reason the British Empire was so powerful.

There were several other factors inolved in the Dark Ages, to say it is all down to Christianity is quite ignorant.

Side: No it wouldn't
MKIced(2511) Disputed
1 point

I never said it was the sole reason, just one of the main reasons (I said the driving force), but I truly believe it held people back. And pointing out great scientists like Galileo strengthen that argument by showing how certain advancements were shunned by the Church, thus causing civilization to not grow as quickly.

Side: Yes it would be
1 point

I'm writing on this side of the argument because it feels right, as for the question in place I remain undecided. I would like to think the world would be a better place but then there would be no one to argue with.. being an atheist and all I do love a good argument about religion... :)

Side: Yes it would be
1 point

Look at all the religious who deny reality, are stupid because of that fact (not all of course, some have brains in some areas...), and have really messed up opinions because of it, not to mention all the wrongs and bads initiated by it. Just try and say religion is good without lying, it is rather impossible unless you are delusional.

The purpose of religion is to keep people not thinking, thus stupid and under control (or it was, now it's simply pointless nonsense).

Side: Yes it would be
1 point

In the case of inaccurate doctrines, sure.

But I think philosophies---many which even today we sometimes interchange with "religion"---may be left up to the individuals.

But this willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty that seems correlated with religion, it's just gotta go.

Side: Yes it would be
1 point

Without religion: logic and reason must be used to defend a stated position.

With religion: religious dogma sets the position and there is no recourse to logic or reason because the big I AM has decreed.

And as it has been proven time and time again that the same holy words can be used to support polar opposite positions.

We did not stop burning witches because some god changed their mind.

We do not decry slavery because the bible was rewritten.

Side: Yes it would be
2 points

I am proposing this argument specifically to be the devils advocate. I think the best way to address this question is to understand what we mean by 'without' religion. It is my understanding that if our world was completely without religion, then it would never have surfaced at all in history. That is when we would truly have no idea what religion was and could also never study it, therefore preventing faith all together. With this approach to the question, we can then ask why religion was excogitated and if it has served its purpose. Religion was undoubtedly thought up to explain natural phenomena and the human condition, which refers to our natural curiosity and ability of critical thinkng and reasoning. The Gods were there to solve the mysteries of the wolrd that the people of the time could not explain. Religion gave way to contemplation and analyzation of human beings and their existence. Religion gave way to curious people thinking and thinking, which then led to Philosophy and Science, because our natural curiosity provokes us to know everything we can. A world in which Religion is not created to explain things can lead to 2 worlds. A world in which our curiosity is provoked or one in which people don't care at all. To me, religion done its job and propelled us into the state we are currently in; We are advanced enough to the point where we trust observation and Science, but still want the security of 'knowing' what happens when we die. The ultimate question. We as a system have done what no other organism can do, and it was all because of our curiosity. Without it, we would have not had religion, philosophy, or science. A world without religion is ignorant, and while it has put a veil over reality and at times causes war, we would still not be the advanced civilization we are without it. Religion is naturally the first step on the staircase that is existence. While we don't need religion anymore, we still should understand that without it, we probably would have never been provoked to understand actuality.

Side: No it wouldn't
u7209(4) Disputed
0 points

life is an illusion experienced subjectively by man bening one and the same

Side: Yes it would be
2 points

This reminds me of a very good South Park Episode. The Episode was about the world, and how there was no religion, just a bunch of atheists, and instead of people killing each other over which religion was right or wrong, they killed each other over what atheists should call themselves, the point being that no matter what people will find gratuitous reasons to kill each other and stir up trouble, so i would have to say the world really wouldn't be that much different without religion.

Side: No it wouldn't
1 point

You can know that almost anyone claiming that religion has been more harmful to the world at large than beneficial is ill-informed of the subject since, if he'd done the research necessary to credibly make that claim, he'd have too much respect for the institution to make it.

The discount-store atheism usually used to argue the affirmative is something of a strawman: there is a long Judeo-Christian theological tradition that bears no resemblance to the caricatures of religion found in antitheist discourse, which range from crude distortions to outright idolatry. Monotheism has offered an invaluable code of conduct to western society, brought us up out of barbarism and into civilization. Yes, you can find historical atrocities and modern, comfortable bourgeoisie feeling constrained by disapproval of Bible-quoting parents--but all that's insignificant in comparison to those limits placed on potentially primitive behavior by religious mores.

And that's to say nothing of the Jains and Buddhists and Quakers making up a significant portion of the religious population about whom antitheists have little to complain.

Side: No it wouldn't
1 point

WWII was cause by religion, Hitler himself genuinely believed that God wanted him to kill the Jews and he also saw "visions" of Jesus telling him to conquer Europe.

Side: No it wouldn't
Assface(406) Disputed
2 points

Hitler hated the Jews as a race, not as a religious group. He was also motivated by more than hatred for the Jews; they acted primarily as convenient scapegoat in his plot for world domination, and if he hadn't used them, he could've easily used immigrants or another laic minority.

Side: No it wouldn't
1 point

it wouldnt because religion gives people morality i mean whats the point of living if theres no reward at the end kinda thing. now im a atheist who does NOT believe in being good for a reward but most people do, without morality or a belief in god you get nihlism.

Side: No it wouldn't
1 point

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Side: No it wouldn't
1 point

Religion, in itself, a set of morals / spiritual beliefs isn't bad. It's positive to believe that some things are inherently good or sacred and should be protected, and some things are evil and should be avoided.

What is not good is when these things are justified by saying they are divinely inspired. Any statement can be argued to be divinely supported, and the general belief in whether it was has more to do with cultural links than actual spiritual ones.

'Abolishing' religion would be very negative, but a world where religion is solely because people want it to exist and not because they 'know' that it's true would be considerably more positive than one which has no religion, or has religions which the adherents believe as unquestionable, unalterable fact.

Side: No it wouldn't
1 point

I have to strongly agree with this side. I don't know if people understand but if there would be no religion a world would be with out churches ,love,kindness,and forgiveness etc. religion is everything good. I don't understand why someone would want the opposite. Like for meh I would never want anything else in my life but religion . This about this with out good nothing good that happened to you would of happened. I don't understand why someone would disagree with meh on this. Only those Fhucken up teens out there that do nothing with there life but drink Fuck and smoke.

Side: No it wouldn't

Religion can make people feel good about themselves when they help others.

Side: No it wouldn't