Would the world be better withour religion?
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Yes, the world would be better off without religion; it's funny too because it's all fiction anyway. You are not going to have Jihadists committing terrorist attacks (Jihad is a holy war for the "mighty Allah") and also not have those lousy Christians pressuring Catholics to join there side. I can't wait until 2012 when it's like Y2K and NOTHING HAPPENS.
Yes, this may be true, but that's not all there is to religion! Religion oftentimes helps to conform the relationships between people and guide people how to act righteously, which overall can have a benefit to society (not to say that your listed examples really do, but rather that just because these negative aspects exist, it doesn't mean that there aren't equally good ones that come from religion).
Side: Certain aspects of Religion
Religion is just a form of government, isn't it? It tells you how to live your life. It gives you rules, right? Even without religion there would still be terrorism.
AND WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BURKE??
"Its all fiction anyway."
What are you saying, that it is not real? Religion is very real to those jihad muslims. Fights between two different faiths happen because of what they believe in. Its not just a bunch of prick waving. Your Jihadists are committing acts of terror because of that "fiction."
Well, the obvious aside,
their weird disdain for science,
religion does have one semi-descent claim to be made for improving the human experience.
it could be said that the idea of not really dying, just fake dying (why, by the way, would that be the case religious people?) is comforting to some.
I don't believe this to be true though.
I find it quite liberating, the act of accepting the fact that my life is limited, and that this is the only chance I get, and not some test.
Religious people envision a death without a god as some infinite darkness.
that's not the case.
There's no darkness, or light, or feeling at all.
There's nothing, because you're dead.
For many that's an improvement over life anyway.
yes.....I think or i can say this world is thousan times more better than still position....coz thsi is the religion that diferntiate a person frm other......
If people will strt leving life without religion there will nt be any religious discriminition nor any caste dicrimination.....
no untouchabilty neither ne pain regarding relogios paraise.....
It will be so grt to make this whole world Religion less......
simply a person with its individual identity...can help the person lot better in his/her personal/social improvement
Think of all the problems it would solve, and it would also destroy terrorism and we probably would be more scientifically advanced if religeon never existed. Reminds me of the Family Guy episode were they go to different dimentions, and one of them is a dimention without religeon.
I'm going to say Yes, to certain aspects of religion. The aspects I'm speaking of is the divine right to go and mass murder civilizations in the name of the lord/god. This isn't centralized on one religion but you get my point. If you don't then I'll get down to the bottom of it with you. cheers!
Side: Certain aspects of Religion
A lot of violent conflicts in the past and present have been mainly due to religious beliefs. The crusades in medieval times, world war 2 (and the holocaust) current struggles between Israel and Palestine. After all our world has been through, I think we've had enough, and because religion played a major parts on the conflicts listed above, I believe that for future well-being, we would all be better off if such violence could be avoided.
Yes, without a doubt the world would be a better place without such ignorance. As recently as a few centuries ago a belief in such things was acceptable - or forgivable if you will. With the knowledge, technology and insight we have gained since then things have changed immensely - I believe that now it is no longer excusable to unwaveringly believe in things that run contrary to almost everything we know as fact.
We have mapped the human genome, split the atom and charted our place in the cosmos, we are privy to knowledge not even dreamed of centuries ago, and for the first time in human history we have a real and evident reasons to dismiss the notion of any ancient text pertaining to archaic belief systems devised literally millenia before we had the insight or technology to challenge it.
Religion in today's world is bred by ignorance, lack of proper education, susceptibility and vulnerability and, of course, mass delusion; as Richard Dawkins said "If you believe yourself to be Napoleon, you need alot of reassuring and evidence that you are actually Napoleon to sustain such a belief" (short of being insane I might add) "But believing that Jesus was the son of god" (for example) "takes very little reaffirming or scrutiny because you are one of many million who hold such a belief".
While I do believe religion has a set of problems associated with its fundamentals. I do not think the world would be better off without religion. Extremist and radical religious interpretation are another matter all together. Additionally, religion does bring many positive aspects and these seem to get lost with the very small percent of negative
yeah, radical religion sucks, and it's not the majority.
but the problem with an organized religion is that it pays to whip people into weird fervors.
laid back religions don't put fans in the pews people, we need drama...
anyway, sure regular run of the mill Christians (for example since there's more of them) aren't blowing themselves up or committing mass suicide.
but they are trying to make abortion illegal (which wouldn't actually stop any abortions, just put more mothers in danger)
keep people like that poor Shivo lady alive for absolutely no logical or humanitarian reason.
stop stem cell research, which could save millions of lives and limbs.
make up dumb stuff like "a war on Christmas" which just annoys the hell out of people like me to the point of loosing sleep.
there's way more, but I'm just too annoyed by the "war on Christmas" again to even think straight...
well, i liked most of your points except for that war on Christmas comment.
when people are getting sued for putting up banners that say "merry christmas" in their own stores, that's pretty fucked up. when people are suing and bitching when the fire department puts up a Nativity scene, that's the war.
Are they winning? of course not. Most Americans really don't give a shit and have bigger problems to worry about, but people at the ACLU and other secular humanist activists really want to eliminate Christmas from the public's eye.
The world would still have extremists with or without religion. Perhaps religion even keeps them within the norms of society.
I feel people need something to believe in for things that they can not understand.
Even those who do not believe...believe in that/some belief.
We as people are not that far from being a cave man or from the pond...which ever you choose to believe.`
I think religion has it's place for many.
And there are going to be a few who will pray for all of you who disagree or know that you are going to hell in a hang bag...
I do not think that the world would be better with out religion. It gives so many hope and for some, that is all they have. Despair is not a good thing. We has humans need hope.
I can just imagine a world with out Christmas or Easter...it would be like stepping on an ant hill...if you took religion away right now, the world would be in chaos.
Southern smiles and world peace,
~The Baby Boomer Queen~
Side: Religion gives hope to many
The world would be better without religion. Yes, there would be extremists, but people would have more freedom if they kept to private beliefs. Religion is simply organized beliefs. These organized beliefs have created a slave mentality, where members cannot even comprehend life outside their little boxed in beliefs. Religion, in the organized belief definition, is outdated and its attempts to control people only lead to chaos. But I will give that yes, we cannot take it away right away, for that would do more harm. But in the long run, the world would be better without religion.
God gives us everything, and for us not to take time to thank him for it is unthinkable. It is very ignorant to deny that religion is fiction. Why did people take so much time and effort to record happenings in the Bible or Koran?
Religion gives hope to people who are in great need, and God helps those people. Let us thank God for all he has done for us.
The Bible was written years after the death of Jesus by the Romans when they decided to become Christians. Maybe there is a divine being, maybe not. I only discredit organized belief systems, aka religions. What you believe in is your own opinion. If I choose not to thank a divine being, whatever. Besides, God was created as a simplification of the beliefs in many gods. And he is outdated. The only two questions religion still claims to answer is how the universe began, and the meaning of life. Yes, evolution is real, both fossils and long term experiments have proven it. That and religions are all slave mentalities. If you must believe, make your beliefs your own, do not be a slave of organized religions.
God doesn't help people in need...people do. A million hands praying doesn't accomplish even half as much as 2 hands working. If you see people in need the only effective way to help them is to do it yourself, not pray that God will intervene or that they will receive justice in the afterlife.
There would be justice, rights, and order. Religion served its purpose. Now it is outdated. People should stick to private beliefs instead of organized, slave mentality, beliefs; aka religions. And who says we are ignorant to question the value of religion? I say that you are ignorant, trapped in a little box. You most likely cannot even comprehend the idea that God may not exist. It is not ignorant to question. It is ignorant to blindly believe.
No, I don't believe that the world would be better off without religion because it is really what tries to help tie together the foundations of our society.
However, this said, I do not mean to intend that all religions do this equally or that all religions are perfect, but rather that the ENTIRE elimination would not benifit society.
Side: Certain aspects of Religion
I think that religion has made a major impact on our society. This has been part of our life for the long time and the doctrines it taught us makes us a better citizen of this country. It mostly refrain us from doing all those weird things in our life and I think that it is good.
The USSR was a communist world. They simply adhered to their beliefs. In a way it was like religion. They became slaves to their beliefs. Religion simply needs to be eliminated. Private beliefs are ok because it is the individual deciding for themselves what to believe, not a forced belief. Furthermore, governments were made to decide morals and justice like religions, and in my opinion are much more effective. They have no bias based on God.
Not to poop on your argument but where the hell do you get these sources? I don't think I've ever heard of new millennium news magazine.....And they don't even quote the source, they just say a study. (mind you it looks like a podunk and horribly put together website.)
Side: Certain aspects of Religion
If there was no religion then we will all be the same, and there will be more corruption, because religion gives order, religion is like our rules, and if you actually research some religion they all talk about eace and equality, and hope to go to a better place after our death. If we dont fear hell and dont care what will happen after our deaths then we wont live a good and safe life and we wont have a good life/death after we die.
Side: Without order there will be chaos
The only three questions religion answers are what happens after death, how the universe began, and what is the meaning of life. Rules and order comes, in modern times, from governments, which are free from religion. Hell was simply a political tool created to control people who lacked knowledge. Would a truly all loving and forgiving God send someone to Hell? I doubt it. Organized religions should be outlawed and disbanded. If everyone was freed from the slavery of religions, and instead believed in their own private beliefs, life would be better. Less pointless arguments. Everyone would agree to disagree.
... and kill anyone who doesn't accept your version of peace, love, and hope.
I've seen this show before.
Every relgion is pretty when you're in the middle of it. David Koresh got almost everyone to drink that koolaid.
It was the people outside who said, "wait, there's something wrong with that koolaid."
No, a religious person has 0 perspective to even discern what is peace and love and hope.
You're all busy waiting to die... so you can live... hm...
If that doesn't sound like insanity to you, than it's really hard for someone like myself to take you seriously.
At any rate.
Did it ever occur to you that there are other, more democratic means of spreading peace, love, and hope -- that it's the religious who have a problem "understanding each other"?
Who doesn't understand gays? The religious.
Who doesn't understand Muslims? Christians.
Who doesn't understand Western society? Muslims.
Why have countless scientists, inventors, and random women been burned at the stake? Because of Religion.
Why are there so many problems in the Middle East? Religon.
What kind of person would torture and kill the person they call the son of god, or at the very least a prophet? Then pretend to drink that poor dudes blood, and eat his flesh, every-single-sunday for nearly 2 thousand years?
Ding ding! Insanity of that magnitude can only thrive in a society under one guise,
And that guise is religion.
You don't see aetheists sacrificing anyone to anything, no matter how far in history you look.
So, please, I'm begging you, stop - "Bring(ing) peace love and hope by spreading your beliefs and understanding"
Just kind of keep your crazy to yourself,
Peace? Really? Try telling that to the hundreds of millions of people who have died because of religious beliefs. The crusades, the European wars of religion, all the Jews killed in medieval Europe, and the hundreds of thousands of people burned at the stake for being witches....and that's just Christianity! I could go on about the other religions, but I think you get my point.
The last time I read this debate was when I posted my one word response 8 days ago! It seems as though SouhaJ is having an apoplectic reaction, to say the least! In addition to that, he's giving' me a HEADACHE the size of a Giant Redwood! STOP YELLING AT EVERYONE SOUHAJ, YOU QUACKENBUSH. You can't back up what you're saying and no one who believes in God can without being subject to question, ridicule or the BIG BANG theory. You've stated your case as well as you can but not as well as you might. MOVE ON & GO BUY ME SOME MORE BUFFERIN!