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Would the world be better without all religions?

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Side Score: 117
9 points

I am hesitant to say that "the world would be better without ALL religions", but then I do not claim to have the authority or knowledge to choose which should go and which should stay.

However, religion has many things associated with it that I am opposed to. Faith being presented as knowledge. A tendency to fight with and even destroy those of other beliefs. A reluctance to accept new information. Occasional political motivations. And on and on.

On the other side, I see no proof that religion has any indelible advantage that can not be obtained through other sources. So it does seem reasonable to me that the world would be better off without them, yes.

Side: yes
Genesis1vs1(31) Disputed
6 points

On the other side, I see no proof that religion has any indelible advantage that can not be obtained through other sources. So it does seem reasonable to me that the world would be better off without them, yes.

Through what sources then? Religious laws are what determine morals of societies. So are you saying without God that humans would develop morals. I am intrigued to see what theory you have for morality without religion.

Side: No
imrigone(761) Disputed
9 points

First off, a truly immoral society would not be stable one. All of the morals that keep turning up over and over in societies regardless of religion foster cooperation and successful group interaction. Simply put, they are better than the alternative, more logical, keep you on people's good side, and most (although obviously not all) people know this. Its not too hard to imagine wise folk in the ancient tribes showing people exactly how their immoral behavior is making things worse.

But it gets better.

Morality is genetic:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/magazine/13Psychology-t.html?_r=3&ref;=science.

Not to mention, there are a number of species of animals that display moral behavior. Yet none of them have religion.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/5373379/Animals-can-tell-right-from-wrong.html

Side: yes
7 points

I do see a point in people who say that religion was valuable as a placeholder for gaps in scientific knowledge. The problem was that religion didn't merely keep the seat warm for scientists; it often actively opposed scientific progress. Religion had its use, but it was hardly the best tool for the job. Some sort of inner tranquillity and ambition that allowed a person to accept that they knew very little about the world, and drive them to discover more, would be far better. It would accomplish the same job but without feeding people false ideas, restricting people's urge to question and test their beliefs, or providing fuel for zealots to spread hatred and violence.

Today, religion still helps explain the unexplained, e.g. "Does life have intrinsic meaning?" "What happens after death?" It's also useful for providing moral and emotional guidance. But again, it's hardly irreplaceable. Religious tenets like the Ten Commandments help you to live a moral life, but you can easily be moral without religion. Similarly, religion is not necessary to find your life meaningful or to get over hurdles like bereavement.

If everyone's religious beliefs could be removed and replaced with a superior secular alternative, I would say that would make the world much better. (I also think it's doable, but it will take time.) But a world in which religious beliefs are simply sucked out leaving a vacuum behind would leave far too many people psychologically stranded, like taking away a lifejacket from someone who can't swim.

Side: yes
Genesis1vs1(31) Disputed
3 points

If everyone's religious beliefs could be removed and replaced with a superior secular alternative, I would say that would make the world much better.

The secular alternative is anarchy and there is no morals or governmental rule. Without the laws of God, no one would care about anyone else. Murder would be acceptable as well as sexual crimes and theft. God is the one who gave us morals. Most humans would give into the temptations and do evil things.

Side: No
Peekaboo(704) Disputed
5 points

Empirical data shows that governments can be religiously based, but do not need to be. Many countries in the world have entirely secular governments. And even in countries that don't, the government still attempts to delineate clearly between church and state - e.g. the US and UK governments. So far there is little sign that secular government results in anarchy, or that non-religious people have no morality. Plenty of philosophical stances on moral issues are not based on religion.

Side: yes
5 points

I would say yes because people wouldn't have to fight over what religion they are.

Side: yes
4 points

Just take a look at the Middle East and you'll see what happens when religion is allowed to have too much control...

Side: yes
Uspwns101(444) Disputed
6 points

Religion is not the cause for the violence there, its just a bunch of stupid people who use religion as an excuse, if they didn't use religion they would use science as an excuse wahtever they could think of

Side: No
aveskde(1935) Disputed
3 points

Religion is not the cause for the violence there, its just a bunch of stupid people who use religion as an excuse, if they didn't use religion they would use science as an excuse wahtever they could think of

Really now?

Side: yes
3 points

Without religion, there will be peace...partial peace because for there to be complete peace there has to be no possessions.

But without religion we are confronted with the harsh truths of our human condition. The reason why human created religion is to avoid that...

Side: yes
2 points

The answer can be found easily simply by looking into the past. Besides the male ego, what caused 90% of all wars in the history of mankind? You guessed it, religion. The holocaust, the crusades, the inquisition. Doing nothing but causing suffering and pain, and killing millions, if not billions, of innocent people. I understand that many people found comfort in religion in times of hardship, but it must be understood that man fears what he does not understand. In order to stem that fear, he created religion, as an explanation to the unknown, but now science and technology has advanced to the point that we can explain the things with science that religion used to. Without religion, there would be far less racism, sexism, prejudice, and violence in the world. We are holding on to an obsolete psychological opiate, without religion we would be able to experience our full potential as a species.

Side: yes
Uspwns101(444) Disputed
3 points

The Crusades were not motivated by purely religion, they were used for many different reasons, the Pope was a religious and political figure. In this case the people of Europe were violent, they attacked each other, in an effort to redirect the violent people and in order to gain political power the Pope called for a crusade, the people who went did not go for purely religious reasons, many went for wealth and power, particularly the leaders of the armies. Ex. When the Christians captured Edessa they killed other christians in order to gain wealth and power. Also the looting of Constantinople.

Side: No
karimcsf(47) Disputed
1 point

I agree that the leaders of the armies were in it for the money but without religion they won't have volunteers to have their war. The pay wasn't good for the normal soldier.

Side: yes
2 points

More or less.

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Side: yes
1 point

When looking back in time many wars where fought over religion. Much blood was spread and many lost all they had. Some would say without religion than the average person would not care for another and things such as murder would be okay. But is this true? No i don't believe so because i myself am an atheist and i do not desire to kill people or hurt anyone and either does the many atheists i know. Having no religion would take away many criticisms that there are and take away the wars that are fought over them. Many people get upset if another person does not believe what they do, but we where born with our own way of thinking so we cannot always help this and it leads to many problems. This can even lead to little things such as a child not being able to date another child or one another not being allowed to communicate with a individual because the parent does not accept this person. Religion has been causing problems with people not liking each other, we don't focus on it but it is just like the discrimination of color. Which is a big problem the world focuses on. I find that religion has caused many problems in our world. Even though some of humans have become closer because of religion and it has helped people do the right thing i believe it has caused more suffering and damage to our race

Side: yes

Well, there would be no divisions based on religion and wars would not be fought over religion.

Side: Yes
6 points

While not religious, I have come to view religion as an evolutionary device that has helped mankind get to where it is today.

Religion brings people together, and was instrumental in our transition from Nomads to City-Dwellers. A non-religious tribe might have trouble networking with other tribes, making a city more difficult to establish or keep.

Religious Ceremonies brought the community together, created a command structure for our first leaders, and were a place to socialize and meet new friends and even potential mates. Its fairly common for a member of a religious Youth Group to make a chastity promise, then break it with another member of the group that made the same promise!

Furthermore, religion was a great placeholder for science! I like to think this conversation happened once in Man's primitive times:

"Where did the Sun come from?"

'A man in the sky! Now lets to hunt so we can EAT"

Without religion to hold science's place, we might not have been able to cope with some of the more frightening aspects of this world, why do you think the most memorable gods from the past and present are Shiva the destroyer, Zeus the Lighting God, Osiris the God of the Afterlife? Man had a hard time with these issues, and still does.

Now that Science is catching up and pulling its own weight, you might say Religion is useless, as it tends to start more wars then it ends. I think religion gets a bad wrap though. Its used as an excuse more often then a valid reason. For example, Hezbollah doesn't really hate Israel because its Jewish. Hezbollah hates Israel because Israel is on the land Hezbollah wants. They CLAIM its because they're Jewish,and they're fighting a religious war, but since Jews and Muslims live together fairly peacefully in other regions, this can't be true. Its just that "We want to kill them for their land" doesn't sound so appealing to potential new recruits..

The truth is, religions still give tremendous amounts of money and food to those in need. I remember watching South Park, an early episode where Starvin' Marvin is running from the Christian Missionaries in Africa, because they want Marvin to read the Bible before they give him food his people desperately needs. While I admit that does sound like blackmail, really, who else was there, willing to dish out free food?

The Bottom Line is this: I think, overall, people are Decent. Not great, but slightly more caring then hating. This is true of both religious and non-religious people. However, I think religions are a better network resource then anything available to non-religious people, and that allows religious people to make a bigger impact on the world. And, over a long enough time line, I think all religions will do more good in the world then evil, and any tool that brings good into this world should stay. Even if its only slightly, its still worth having.

Supporting Evidence: Proof of the Chastity Remark (www.secularism.org.uk)
Side: No
imrigone(761) Disputed
3 points

"Religion brings people together, and was instrumental in our transition from Nomads to City-Dwellers."

Actually, I'm pretty sure that it was agriculture that helped us make that transition. It is true, however, that the religious leaders played a role in the development of the first settled civilizations. But they had been doing that well before agriculture had made it possible to stay in one place throughout the year.

"Furthermore, religion was a great placeholder for science!"

I completely concur. I believe this is precisely where religion came from, and I have often referred to it as an "intellectual placeholder" for early man. But now that science has come to disprove long-held religious tenants, some religious folk try to hold back the tide of knowledge, and I find that to be detrimental to society. I feel that faith has outlasted its usefulness.

"For example, Hezbollah doesn't really hate Israel because its Jewish. Hezbollah hates Israel because Israel is on the land Hezbollah wants. They CLAIM its because they're Jewish,and they're fighting a religious war, but since Jews and Muslims live together fairly peacefully in other regions, this can't be true. Its just that "We want to kill them for their land" doesn't sound so appealing to potential new recruits.."

If you are right, then the last sentence would seem to indicate that religion is indeed creating a problem (more new recruits). Basically, it is not so much that the religion itself is the cause of the problem, but rather that religious fervor can exacerbate the problem. People who wouldn't do evil things normally could be convinced to do so if presented with religious justification. Indeed, they might be convinced that it is their duty. Anything that can be easily used to reinforce differences between groups should be scrutinized for validity and necessity.

"While I admit that does sound like blackmail, really, who else was there, willing to dish out free food?"

Secular humanists. And they don't blackmail in the process. Granted there aren't as many of them, but it could become a growing movement in a world where more people were motivated to do the right thing without religious lures.

Side: yes
Drain01(17) Disputed
3 points

Agriculture made it possible, but religion is identified as one of the greatest factors in convincing Nomads to settle in the cities and create a sense of community. Take this excerpt about temples from Wikipedia's Uruk page (Uruk was one of the worlds first real cities):

"There are different interpretations about the purposes of the temples. However, it is generally believed they were a unifying feature of the city. It also seems clear that temples served both an important religious function and state function"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruk

And when you say

"Secular humanists. And they don't blackmail in the process. Granted there aren't as many of them, but it could become a growing movement in a world where more people were motivated to do the right thing without religious lures."

I'd say thats true, there are many caring Secular humanists out there. But like you said, there are less Secular Humanists, and they are less organized. Can you name me one Secular, non-government agency that responds as quickly or as powerfully to a disaster as say, The Salvation Army? One of the first agencies to react to the 9/11 and the 2004 Tsunami, it spends millions of dollars a year to feed shelter and clothe the needy of all races and religions, despite being a hard-line Christian program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army

The point is, wishing you could help is one thing, having the infrastructure to help is something else. religion still provides that basic infrastructure, and while I've seen some great secular charities, like Child's Play, they don't yet reach the scope of religious charities. Might Secular charities someday reach that level? Maybe, only time will tell. But right now, they don't even come close.

Side: No
hoegy(308) Disputed
2 points

Before I say anything I am a christian. Furthermore, I dont beleive christianity is a religion, but a relationship.

"Where did the Sun come from?"

'A man in the sky! Now lets to hunt so we can EAT

I hope your not implying that only atheists have brought us to where we are today in science. Because that would be far from true. And the man who proved that the earth revolved around the son was christian. Also the bible does not say the sun revolves around the sun so this is a mere human flaw.

Side: yes
imrigone(761) Disputed
5 points

"Furthermore, I dont beleive christianity is a religion, but a relationship."

Then you are a rarity. Most of Christianity's adherents and critics agree that it is a religion.

"And the man who proved that the earth revolved around the son was christian."

And then the Pope had Galileo put under Inquisition. He refused to deny the mathematical and observed proof, so the Church placed him under house arrest until the day he died.

There are many examples of Christians who have practiced good science. Why did you pick one of the most famous examples where Christians in power punished them for it?

Side: yes
Drain01(17) Disputed
2 points

Palsm 93:1 ""the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." As the Sun rises and sets, and the Bible says the Earth does not move, then technically your right, it doesn't say the Sun revolves around the Earth, but it sure implies it.

Furthermore, you're also right that Galilio, a christian, did prove the Earth revolved around the Sun. And he spent 12 years of his life under house arrest for his discovery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galilio

Anyway, the point I was trying to make, is that religion was a way for humans to have an answer for something they couldn't prove yet. Before Geometry or Astrology, we needed to know why the Sun set at night, and it was easier to say that the Sun was Helios as he rode his chariot of fire across the sky, then to admit we had no idea.

Side: No
aveskde(1935) Disputed
2 points

Before I say anything I am a christian. Furthermore, I dont beleive christianity is a religion, but a relationship.

You could say that you believe Christianity is a mountain but that doesn't have any bearing on the definition of religion. You believe in a magical being, and that this magical being communicates with you. That is a religion.

I hope your not implying that only atheists have brought us to where we are today in science. Because that would be far from true. And the man who proved that the earth revolved around the son was christian. Also the bible does not say the sun revolves around the sun so this is a mere human flaw.

He is implying that creationism and religious stories are made up from the imaginations of ancient peoples. Also, you are wrong about the sun orbiting the Earth, in that it is clearly implied in the bible, with verses repeatedly insisting that the Earth does not move, and that the sun moves.

Side: No
2 points

Before I say anything I am a christian.

That's saying something. Quite a revelation, in fact.

Furthermore, I dont beleive christianity is a religion, but a relationship.

I'm afraid Christianity fits all the criteria for being defined as a religion.

I hope your not implying that only atheists have brought us to where we are today in science.

One observes that the those theists who first practiced natural philosophy came to doubt their religious beliefs as they learned more of the world. Isaac Newton is a famous example.

And the man who proved that the earth revolved around the son was christian.

It does not revolve around the son (of either God or anybody else), it revolves around the sun.

Also the bible does not say the sun revolves around the sun so this is a mere human flaw.

The entire bible is a human flaw.

Side: No
1 point

Christianity is a religion theres no denying it but the goal of that religion is to develop a close relationship with God seperated from sin.

Side: yes
vandoren(15) Disputed
1 point

Is it really religion that is the problem or is it rather the diversity of religion. Religion gives humanity all of the improvements you described but because of our diversity our respective religions are at war with each other. Essentially its a clash of cultures based on interpretations of what is sadly not a credible source, I am referring to the collected gospels known as "the new testament." Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all feuding over this document that has changed millions of peoples lives yet hardly anyone questions where it came from. The gospels we know today we're formed around 40 years after the death of "Christ" but they were not written by his disciples but more over they were local interpretations of Jesus. It wouldn't be 200 years later until a bishop chooses those most beneficial to the church. Wars are started over sentence structure of this orally passed down document. I hold nothing against religion but it is similar to communism, looks great on paper but destroys what makes us human in application.

Side: yes
Skaruts(195) Disputed
1 point

Religion brings people together

Just look at how ppl are together with you in this debate, or the way they are together in any other debate that involves that damned word... or the way they are together in life...

Sigh...

Side: yes
5 points

I'm not a religious person, but I hate the arguments against religion.

The arguments against religion tend to be as stupid as the atheists claim religion is.

Religion doesn't cause many problems at all. It's people who wish to dominate and are intolerant who cause the problems and use religions as an excuse. Even worse is the fact that this trend of using religion for their own means was more prevalent from the birth of Judaism than any other time, which tends to give a bad image of all religions and not specific ones.

Side: No
2 points

Yes I hate being put in a box. Throw all the religions in the box and throw them in the trash.

Side: No
aveskde(1935) Disputed
3 points

Yes I hate being put in a box. Throw all the religions in the box and throw them in the trash.

So you advocate atheism?

Side: yes
2 points

Well put religion is not the underlying cause rather it is the justification, interestingly the religions that these violent people claim to follow generally don't promote such action, so the cause is most likely not religion but rather religion is the justification.

Side: No
3 points

So called violence in the name of religions is created by a bunch of fanatics. No religions encourage people to wage war or kill each other.

Side: No
3 points

You got two extremes here Atheism and christianity. Both are hard to swallow whouldnt you say? Because if life has no meaning, then what is the point of doing these deeds for your community, for the world, if you have nothing to fight for. And beleive me fighting for yourself isnt enough. I think you do realize this. Im sure their are parts of you you would like to change. Im sure of you had the choice you would choose to be the smartest, the strongest, the best person on this planet. But can you imagine a God who loves you dearly for who you are? Thats something to fight more. That is a weight off your sholders. That is a burden that has now been taken off. That my friend is something to fight for. A greater destiny. A greater meaning. A greater picture. He made you purposefully the way you are. Every detail. You were made for love. You were made to love.

How can so many people get it wrong? Because people are by nature lost creatures with no light. God gives us himself and what do his people do? Rely on themselves to do the tasks at hand. And when we rely on ourselves, sadly that is where evil steps in. And it will jerk you around and flip you over like a pancake. Things can change so fast, you cannot beleive it. And what do people do? Blame the creater! If you plant a seed and nurture it and take care of it, do you expect it not to grow? If I plant a seed of pride in me and water what will I expect? For it to disapear? Its like a virus taking control of its host. Do you think it will be done over night?lol

This is called longterm effects.

Second we cant do it alone. It is, sry to say impossible. We cannot accomplish perfection, because we cannot even define the word perfection. We cannot comprehend it. It really sadens me to see people who think they know what perfection is. For example, the navy tells me that they will make me a better person. ?? What is better? Stronger, faster, smarter, more confident? And then next thing you know my recruiter is checking how women anywhere he goes, and he has a wife. :/ Is this the better person I want to be? Aboslutely not. Swear like a sailor sure does apply as well. Doesnt this bother you?

Now imagine, the burden of sin being lifted off your shoulders. It feels soo good. The thing that we all long for! And it is reality! Can you imagine! Jesus died for us, he carried the cross, and all of our sins were put on him. Our sins can be forgiven and we can be made new, because of what he did for us. OF course this doesnt agree with our natural selves. We are destined to kill our natural selves. TO dig are way out of the cacoon, that binds us and takes us away. The devil will urge you to beleive this is nonsence, and to stay in our shells. So he can open us up in hell. JESUS DIDNT COME TO JUDGE US! BUT TO SAVE US! Amen

Side: No
1 point

You got two extremes here Atheism and christianity. Both are hard to swallow whouldnt you say?

One is an assertion and the other is a rejection of that assertion. Atheism does not involve swallowing anything; rather refusing to swallow it.

Because if life has no meaning, then what is the point of doing these deeds for your community

Because life can be fun without a spiritual meaning. In fact, without a spiritual meaning or an afterlife, it makes more sense to enrich the lives of the community one lives in.

But can you imagine a God who loves you dearly for who you are?

Not if one were a homosexual; His love is conspicuously absent in that case.

How can so many people get it wrong?

Because they are gullible idiots. Case example: religion.

Because people are by nature lost creatures with no light.

There is a single light of science and to brighten it anywhere is to brighten it everywhere.

God gives us himself and what do his people do? Rely on themselves to do the tasks at hand.

When was the last time God swept the floor for you?

Do you think it will be done over night?lol

If the motive force (God) is omnipotent, I expect it to be done instantaneously.

Second we cant do it alone.

Do what?

We cannot accomplish perfection, because we cannot even define the word perfection.

"Without flaw".

It really sadens me to see people who think they know what perfection is. For example, the navy tells me that they will make me a better person. ?? What is better? Stronger, faster, smarter, more confident?

Better does not imply perfection, and the navy does not assert that this is the case.

And then next thing you know my recruiter is checking how women anywhere he goes, and he has a wife.

Checking out women is quite different to cheating on one's lover.

Is this the better person I want to be? Aboslutely not. Swear like a sailor sure does apply as well.

That's a strange form of anecdotal evidence in which he who presented it did not experience the situation described. I believe this is more accurately described as "bullshit".

Now imagine, the burden of sin being lifted off your shoulders.

Removing that burden is as easy as saying "there is no sin, because there is no God".

It feels soo good.

So does homosexual intercourse, I understand.

Amen

Boulderdash.

Side: yes
Republican2(349) Disputed
3 points

One is an assertion and the other is a rejection of that assertion. Atheism does not involve swallowing anything; rather refusing to swallow it.

Atheism is when a person believes that there is no god(s) or spiritual existence of any kind. Because you cannot disprove the existence of god(s) or a spiritual existence, you are indeed swallowing a belief, just a different kind. If you wanted to say you're not swallowing anything, you would be an considered an agnostic.

In fact, without a spiritual meaning or an afterlife, it makes more sense to enrich the lives of the community one lives in.

Some people have no sense of community, and want only what's best for themselves. When they have a stick (hell) and a carrot (heaven) they may be better motivated to act in a manner which benefits others.

Not if one were a homosexual; His love is conspicuously absent in that case.

It is a common misconception that the Cristian God hates homosexuals. Most Christians believe that God hates the actions themselves, but not the person.

Because they are gullible idiots. Case example: religion.

So your case is that 2/3 of the world populations is just plain crazy?

There is a single light of science and to brighten it anywhere is to brighten it everywhere.

Science is only useful when things can be proven or disproven. You cannot prove or disprove the existence of the supernatural.

When was the last time God swept the floor for you?

If there was a God, do you really think he would do your daily tasks?

If the motive force (God) is omnipotent, I expect it to be done instantaneously.

Unless said god has a plan that involves more time, which again, you cannot prove or disprove.

That's a strange form of anecdotal evidence in which he who presented it did not experience the situation described. I believe this is more accurately described as "bullshit".

I believe the point being made was that people have different opinions about what is good or better.

So does homosexual intercourse, I understand.

Not to a straight person, which also demonstrates the difference in opinion as to what is good or better.

Side: No
Uspwns101(444) Disputed
2 points

Gods love is not absent if you are a homosexual you clearly know very little about God, if science is such a wonderful light then how come science is the cause of so much suffering and death, nuclear bombs etc. God doesn't do things instantaneously because i don't think much could be learned if it was instantaneous. People don't change over night they have to make good decisions consistently to make that happen. Checking out a women is not different. Jesus taught that if you even look at a women in lust you have already committed adultry in your heart. That is why every thought must be taken captive so that evil thoughts cannot grow in your mind. I dont know if you have ever experienced guilt but i think homosexual intercourse can cause that feeling trumping any good feelings you might have. Amen means so be it, and it doesn't need to be used here i agree that is boulderdash in this context.

Side: No
3 points

While I am certainly not a church goer, I am a believer, and I believe religion is a genuinely good thing. It gives people a moral compass and a reason to lead good lives. Imagine if we never had the Ten Commandments. Imagine if no one had ever said the words, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Imagine if people thought life was meaningless. We would live in an even crazier world.

Now, religion does have a dark side. It can create extremists, oppressive theocratic regimes like the Taliban and dictators. I believe religion is like alcohol. In moderation it can make you feel good, but too much can, and does kill. Religious zealots leave nothing to interpretation and tend to believe their way is the only way, not just for them, but for everyone. And because of this, they also tend to condemn those who don't share their views. For instance, I was raised Catholic, but I am pro-choice, as have taken more flack for that than I care to remember from fellow Catholics as well as the religious right. That brings me to another issue. Religion, especially in America, has become unbelievably politicized. The Christian right are America's Taliban. They believe in the legitimacy of killing and/or intimidating people (like Dr. George Tiller), and would gladly see America discard the constitution and become nothing less than a theocracy.

So, religion... Good. Religion politicized and corrupted... NOT GOOD!!! But be that as it may, I'm glad religion exists, and would not want to live in a world without it.

Side: No
3 points

Religion has given society many things. Some very good arguments have been made that society itself is the product of religion and I think the biggest proof of such is modern Western society. It is founded upon Hebrew/Greek/Celt roots. Our laws, customs, morals and world view were heavily influenced by the religions of these ancestors. The 10 commandments is the corner stone of Western law.

More so people need a belief of some sort greater than their own interests to form a cooperative society. Religion is in almost all societies that very glue. That reason we put self interest below the needs of others. Without it society cannot survive.

Another interesting element of this argument is that people treat organized Atheists like they were not a religion. Many religions including the worshipers of the Null God as I call them have no deity or so many deities that you might as well not have one. Religion can be defined by a set of beliefs and code of conduct held above all other activity. Patriotism if taken too far becomes a form of religious worship of nation. Many a cult has been created worshiping kings based on this very concept. Organized religion is merely religion of many people which includes dogma associated with the religion, usually places of worship and a culture that comes with membership in that religion.

Null Godders have dogma. For example they believe that war is caused by religion. That is one of their greatest arguments against religion. Yet many of the wars they claim are religious are in fact more mundane. The Crusades for example. Inspired by a Pope who was tired of seeing the Christian world torn apart in petty feuds and who sought out a common enemy to unite Christians and give Europe's war like tendencies a constructive outlet. Led by nobles who went more for the land and wealth they could wrest from the holy lands than for any sense of religion, opposed by Muslim leaders who defended not holy lands but lands they kept because it enriched them. Fought mostly by people who went because they were ordered to do so. A few crusades like the childrens crusade really were religious but overall the crusades were just a giant land grab for both sides.

Other things religion has contributed has indeed been science. In fact more than one scientific discovery has been made by monks trying to prove points in their religious beliefs through scientific methods. Science itself can be a religion to some. This was especially common around 1900 when many at the time worshiped science.

Hospitals and medical care came to exist primarily because of religion. It has been religious institutions throughout history which practiced most medical care.

It has been religious institutions that gave us history. Europe for example would have no history if not for monks having transcribed them and Muslims having preserved European history during the dark ages of Europe. In Asia again it has been primarily monks who served as historians.

Without religion, Christian religions especially there'd be no charity. No support system for the poor, for the disabled or the injured.

It was Christian groups who mostly battled unsanitary conditions in US cities leading to revolutionary changes in how cities ran saving the lives of 100s of millions over the last 200 years.

Religion has it's bad side. Prohibition is a great example of how excesses in religion can create far more damage than the ill they seed to redress. When you balance the sum however religion has contributed far more good than bad.

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No, religion not only gives us something to believe in, but a sense of community. While we are all challenged to "believe" in a religion someone else feels is the "only" religion", we are really challenged to be part of a global community.

If we participate in a global community, we must realize that this community may have multiple roots and multiple branches.

What really matters is the following:

Everyone has an opinion.

Everyone adds to and detracts from the goal

Everyone wants to share their experiences

Everyone wants to extract value from both groups.

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If we didn't have religion then people wouldn't argue and fight over it, however most of the wars arnt really about religion, they're about other things, so religion should be left as it is, because it keeps some people going in life, and ives people something to belive in, so when times are bad, they can belive that there is someone who can make it betterrrrrr =]

People would be all the same, they wouldn't have a god that made them different. ;D

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2 points

The world wouldn't be better off without ALL religions, but certainly those that inspire people to commit acts of violence.

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2 points

Religion isn't just following a deity it is your beliefs and the way you live your life your customs and your traditions.

people will always have a different belief to the person next to them.

If everyone was the same religion then we would still have different say christian then there are loads of denominations and even in the same denomination there are diiferent sectors depending on where they live their parents and how strict their church is.

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2 points

No. There are religions that enable people to retain hope during desperate situations. They provide a moral structure for these people, in addition to fostering charity for those so inclined.

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1 point

As we see humanity evolve, we see religion die. But, that does not mean that humanity is evolved enough to completely eliminate religion.

Religion was necessary in the past to help in establishing morals and explanations for people who didn't have any. As well, religion has, over the years, been a spiritual comforting for people who would be hopeless without it.

As science progresses we are able to create explanations and ethics. This does not, however, completely eliminate the need for religion. I can't say what exactly will need to be structured in order for religion to not be necessary, anymore, but we will know when Atheism/Agnosticism and anything NOT religious is dominant (like Deism and shit like that).

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aveskde(1935) Disputed
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Religion was necessary in the past to help in establishing morals and explanations for people who didn't have any. As well, religion has, over the years, been a spiritual comforting for people who would be hopeless without it.

It never established morality, and the way we can deduce this is simple: from where do religious morals come from? The culture which fostered and codified these beliefs. Religion would therefore not be a source of these morals, but a means to codify what was already established.

I would also argue that religion can and has existed to oppress people and offer them no comfort, to keep them subjugated and helpless as rigid class structures were made to be accepted as immutable.

As science progresses we are able to create explanations and ethics. This does not, however, completely eliminate the need for religion. I can't say what exactly will need to be structured in order for religion to not be necessary, anymore, but we will know when Atheism/Agnosticism and anything NOT religious is dominant (like Deism and shit like that).

The west is experiencing this now, we are nearing the end of western Christianity and that is why evangelicals and the Catholic church are so desperate to recruit.

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ThePyg(6737) Disputed
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The west is experiencing this now

But are non-religions dominant?

not just yet.

As I've said, when religion is no longer needed, we will see it through a natural process.

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2 points

Religion is the monster under the bed that our parents tell us will devour us f we don't go to bed. It's necessary but it can't fill it's promises. How rarely do we see a man struck down after committing a sin. Moreover we're told that if we commit a sin we will go to purgatory unless we ask for forgiveness which is up to whoever can say they we're called by god to do a job. Americans are in the stage where the intellectuals are finally starting to see the necessity for going to sleep and not needing a scary monster to force them. They know they need the sleep and they know the monster isn't real, or doesn't effect them. Of course there are still remnants in the easily persuaded and That's scary. These people believe in the monster but their interpretation of its ideals are twisted. Basically, they base their sense of right and wrong on something that will forgive them as long as they listen to a man prattle about his personal thoughts once a week.

Side: yes

Would the world be better without all religions?

Soviet Union

North Korea

China

Cuba

Vietnam

Enough said.

Side: No
vandoren(15) Disputed
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2 of which Americans are 14.3 trillion dollars in debt to because they have more self control than us. You can't say that a country is evil because they disagree with democracy. Communism can be very efficient so long as you're working towards a cause that everyone believes in. In fact many would argue America has communist aspects primarily welfare. The idea behind communism is very benevolent as well. It's a community of people supporting every member. You do this in America when you pay taxes that go to people on welfare. The only difference in communism is that everyone is on welfare and all your money goes to welfare. This is appropriate in some places. I being an objectivist (take the time to look it up it's not what it sounds like) dislike the idea of serving a purpose in life other than pursuing my own happiness free of the burdens of others.

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I'm not into religion at all, but I don't think we'd be better off without it. If we didn't have religion...can you imagine a life where no one followed a religion? It would be complete a catostrophe. There'd be nothing to look forward to, nothing to really believe in, no faith, no hope of any kind. We wouldn't really have any idea of why or how we got here or anything. There would be a lot of lose ends on everything. That's just my opinion though.

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I believe a world without religion is a suicidal world. Without religion, people would be impulsive and not care about anything. I have morals and values that my religion helps me stay focused on. Without it, I'd be suicidal.

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1 point

Nope...Cz religion is not just worship more likely a way of Life!!! To do wat is right and wat is wrong, well that also differ from religon to religion, But A life with no Religion means no RULES and Chaos and people are Lost!! Life with religion creates more war and does not settle diffrence, Since religion teaches you to not to discriminate etc...(You know the drill) Its chaos is better than the chaos of NO RELIGION AT ALL!! cz u have something to settle things with, and rules of respect to follow.

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1 point

If you have nothing to believe in, then what's the point? Why would you be a good person in life if you didn't believe that it would pay off in the end? Religion isn't the only thing that causes war. Differing political ideologies too. Would the world be better without those too? There's more than one way to skin a cat.

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in the beginning there was anarchy.then came a system devised so cleverly as topromote peace.it was als designed to allow people of different races,backgrounds and culture relate peacefully.over time,more uses have emanated from it.it has been seen to bring love to a broken family,to bring joy to the lonely man and to give hope to the orphan children.it is an invaluable part of society which must never be rejected.

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in the beginning there was anarchy.then came a system devised so cleverly as topromote peace.it was als designed to allow people of different races,backgrounds and culture relate peacefully.over time,more uses have emanated from it.it has been seen to bring love to a broken family,to bring joy to the lonely man and to give hope to the orphan children.it is an invaluable part of society which must never be rejected.

Side: No