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Yes, it's no way to live No, it's irresponsible
Debate Score:70
Arguments:42
Total Votes:84
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 Yes, it's no way to live (23)
 
 No, it's irresponsible (18)

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Would you abort a special needs baby?

Assuming you do want a kid, and you have a say in the matter, if you found out the child would have some degree of retardation, would you choose to abort the pregnancy? Or raise a special needs child?

 

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Yes, it's no way to live

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No, it's irresponsible

Side Score: 31
4 points

Well as a retard myself (seriously, not kidding around), I would say yes. Down Syndrome or any other condition similar to it results in a most unfortunate life. The worst part is it leave you kind of scared to commit suicide, so you're kind of trapped. People automatically want nothing to do with you, and the few that do usually wanna goof on you or take advantage of you. This for me has resulted in a state of almost paranoid schizophrenia, I can't even leave my place.

So in my opinion it is selfish as F*, to not abort a retarded person. you're putting them in a world that wants nothing to do with them, and they are evolutionary dead ends. Do the fetus a favor, and flush it. Wish they'd done that with me.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
3 points

I volunteered to work at a summer camp for special needs kids one summer. For a lot of them, it was the high point of pretty much every year. before, I would have answered "no," until I talked to one of the campers with Cerebral Palsy. It's one of the most common disorders there, and there's no cure for it whatsoever. For those of you who aren't familiar with it, it's the kind of disorder that completely debilitates you, yet leaves your mind intact. It resembles the insulting common conception of mental retardation, even though there's no correlation between CP and MR.

What the camper told me pretty much echoed your comment, PortControl, that letting him live pretty much trapped him. While some may choose life if given the choice, it seems like a lot of their lives are so painful that it isn't worth it to risk that.

Port, try joining a club or volunteer group. I imagine people will understand that your mind is working perfectly. I met a couple of people with DS in volunteer groups, and at least the members are generally a lot less judgmental than most.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
Sitara(11082) Disputed
1 point

I am "retard" and I am glad that I am alive to serve Yehoshua.

Side: No, it's irresponsible
3 points

We have special needs children that attend my high school, they always have the appearance of being truly happy. They do not know any better. These are kids that will never be mentally able to do anything with their lives. Now they have them deliver newspapers and go around seeing what teachers want for lunch ( teachers have to pay for it ).

That is fine and dandy but what happens when they grow up? What happens when the parents are no longer their ( passed on ) ? They will not get jobs because they do not retain enough information to be able to actually have a real job and make money. It is beyond their mental capacity. After they grow out of the program at my school where will they go? Will they just sit at home and rot?

I would beg and plead for my wife to see that our child would not make it in this harsh world we live in. That they would not be able to get a job in these tough times when he/she would not be able to compete with the competition mentally. I do not think that that should be the life for a child or anyone.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
3 points

Yes, I would. Yes, the baby is a life, and we have no right to forfeit it. But, I believe that no human would want to be born imperfect. Disabled people who have emerged victorious from their demons and the society's condemnations have gone through a lot of trials and tribulations. Which results in their optimism and gratitude towards life. Not everyone can do that. Besides, bringing a special needs baby burdens everyone. And no one wants to be a burden to anyone. I may sound callous at this point, but in the long term, how do you ensure that no harm comes to it? You can't be around for it forever!

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
2 points

While the pic is cute,

I don't think severly retarded people have much of a life at all. As long as it was caught before the the fetus was a sentient being, I would lean towards an abortion,

I would have to defer to the one who was pregnant though.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
1 point

yep. It's a shitty life (although, retarded people are happy in the fact that they don't know how miserable they are) and it's a major inconvenience for the parents.

Plus, they're over all useless to society... usually money wasters too. They need special care and are given government checks.

If parents were not restricted by morals or PC belief and just aborted the child, life in general would be a lot easier.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
2 points

I have an uncle with down syndrome, and not a really severe case, more Corky style,

And from what I've observed, he's actually mostly miserable.

He has flashes of happiness, but unfortunately he's just bright enough to know something is wrong,

it's heart wrenching.

On the other extreme, I once lived by a hospital that took care of severely retarded people. The ones not even a loving parent could handle.

If there is any such thing as sin, keeping these poor beasts alive certainly is.

They moan and cry endlessly, they're in constant pain because their bones do not work together correctly, and their bodies are severely deformed, they are constantly pissing and shitting themselves.

It was a nightmare.

The place used to be called Fox center in Dwight IL, don't know if it's still there, this was in the 80s, but that place should never have had to exist, it was literally a den of human misery, and every one of those poor souls should have been aborted for their own good, and everyone elses.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
kamranw(232) Disputed
1 point

yep. It's a shitty life (although, retarded people are happy in the fact that they don't know how miserable they are) and it's a major inconvenience for the parents.

That ridiculous! We should end someones life because its inconvenient to their parents? Also, how do you know there life is shitty. Especially if you say they think they are happy but don't know how shitty it is. If they are happy, who are we to judge?

Side: No, it's irresponsible
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
1 point

Aborting a fetus is a different argument from ending someone's life.

I'm in favor of abortion, so I have no problem with aborting a retarded kid. If you're against it, then you're against it.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
1 point

I would definitely abort a special needs baby. I have a brother who is special needs, he has the mind of a six year old and is 26 years old. He holds no job, and our family has to do everything for him. I would say that they won't make something of themselves if they were left alone. Honestly it is a waste of time, money, food, and effort to keep alive a special needs child who won't amount to anything in their life.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
1 point

I have a cousin with severe mental retardation. He and his brother (a very successful orthodontist) are the only children to my aunt and uncle. They are both in their mid 40s. My almost to be 70 year old great aunt and uncle have raised my cousin Geoffrey for his entire life. My orthodontist cousin just cannot give time to raise Geoffrey, since he is a business owner and a professor at a dental school. Don't get on here and act like someone is an insufficient parent for being scared about a developmentally challenged child. My aunt and uncle have had the most stressful lives of any human being I've ever known. I've just lost my great aunt to a long time alcohol abuse and cigarette smoking. My uncle has been injured numerous times trying to give my cousin baths and changing his clothes. My aunt and uncle only got a few weeks out of their year to enjoy themselves when camps were open for special needs. We've finally put him into a home and my uncle can finally live his retired life (unfortunately without his wife now). He just can't do it anymore.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
1 point

When I was younger, I would have said no. Now that I have a special needs child of my own ( going on 25 years of age), and working as a special education teacher with severely handicapped children, I say that it would depend on the specific disability (ies) the child might have.

Many of the children that I see on a daily basis are not able to perform even the most basic functions of daily living, and never will. They require 24/7 care, exhibit extreme behaviors, and many have severe physical handicaps, are non-verbal ( and will never be verbal). In my opinion, these people , at best, will eventually be placed in group homes or institutions when they become 21. "Mainstreaming" such people into society and placing expectations on them the way society does for non-severely disabled people is unrealistic, regardless of laws passed, such as NCLB or Race to the Top. If a person knows that his or her child medically and mentally will suffer when it is born (with medical certainty, and no error of judgment), I would say: Yes, abort the child.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
1 point

DON'T GET ME WRONG

My friend Matt has Down Syndrome and i love that kid to death!

but honestly if my kid was going to be Special i would abort it because

i actually got into a fight (well it was a two hit altercation that COULD have been an all out brawl...yeah i was that pissed) because some little baby back bitch thought he could push Matt around. he pushed him into a locker and called him mean shit like Re-Re and Radio, he said things like Why do you talk like that! WTF you can't speak right dumb ass? I could have killed that kid! no one should have to go through that being a kid is hard enough, and being made fun of for something u cant control...its sickening to see. idk what i'd do if my kid had to go through that. so yes i would abort my kid if i KNEW s/he was going to be special sorry but it's true.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
1 point

theirs no point in living if you cant work or understand facts of life. about 15% of Americans are on welfare because of special needs children. its better to get rid of it now than have taxpayers carry the weight of there future.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
1 point

Absolutely yes, without a doubt.

Fortunately we live in an era in which we can test for quite a bit of common developmental disabilities. I would, without a doubt, abort any baby with special needs - including one with Down's Syndrome.

And guess what, if that makes me a cold person - so what. I'm honest enough to admit that I do not want the responsibility or frustration that goes along with a child with special needs. The matter is one of personal choice. And should a child be born to me with special needs there's no guarantee I wouldn't put it in a nursing home.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
1 point

i think people who're retarded face a lot of problems as they grow up. more than other normal people. and even though i'd hate to do something like it, it'd probably be the right thing to do.

the world is harsh enough. i don't think anybody so young should have to face the additional mental difficulty besides what the outer world has in store.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live

abort. start over.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
joecavalry(39882) Clarified
1 point

I would consider letting anyone thinking of down voting me to adopt and raise him/her. I mean, since those people are being so moral and all ;)

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
-1 points

It is no way to live...........................................................................................

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
3 points

No. I suffer from mild autism, and it's shaped who I am today, for better or for worse. My son is severely autistic, and I love him and would never have wanted for him to die. I think he is happy too. Of course, I can't delve into his mind, but I was never one to put someone out of his/her suffering anyway, because I wouldn't have the heart to end someone else's life without his/her consent.

Side: No, it's irresponsible
3 points

Hey man, mentally challenged people are happy all the time and enjoy the simplest things. If I had a choice before I was born, I'd totally choose retarded.

Side: No, it's irresponsible
3 points

I even think that "irresponsible" the wrong answer. I just think that most of the answers on here are out of ignorance or fearful speculation. I have 2 sons with Down Syndrome, born 2 years apart. They are not classified as "retarded," their status is developmentally delayed. They are both bright, hilarious, sweet, relatively capable kids. Both medical and educational advances have me expecting they -- with a lot of help and a specialized curriculum -- will both get to nearly high school competency, probably have some post-secondary education, live independently, have jobs, and, if they are lucky, find someone they fall in love with and marry. My kids are happy like anyone else is: if they are enabled to give and receive love, are challenged and given the chance to succeed, are allowed to develop their talents and pursue their interests and passions -- they're happy. They will always need more help than normal kids and adults. But as for me, though I was afraid when I first learned I would be the father of a special needs kid, these boys have made my life orders of magnitude richer for knowing them and living with them. Having decided to eliminate their chance at life would have been the worst decision I ever made.

Side: No they are no less than anyone else
2 points

It's being selfish, inhuman and in fact 'mentally retarded' on your own behalf to abort a baby because they have special needs. That just goes to show that whoever would do such a thing didn't really want a child or truly doesn't love them. I'd rather deal with raising ten children who suffer from mental retardation than abort one; they didn't do anything wrong to be killed.

Side: No, it's irresponsible
2 points

I think 99% of abortions are wrong. Independent of that, I think it's totally irresponsible to abort a baby just because he has special needs. If you know you can't raise a child like that, then why would you abort it? That's like punishing the child for no reason, whereas you could give him to another couple who would raise him with love. Every child should have the chance at life, even the mentally handicapped. Of course, there are a few cases when abortion is necessary, but mental retardation is not one of them. I say shame on any couple that aborts a baby for this reason. They clearly need to reevaluate themselves for doing something so atrocious and unnecessary.

Side: No, it's irresponsible
Marynett(1) Disputed
1 point

"Whereas you could give him to another couple who would raise him with love" You're clearly out of touch with reality. Do you know how many people actually adopt mentally retarded children? Slim to none & those that do, do so to collect the little government check the child is entitled to for their entire life.

You do not know of the health risks and limited life (and life span) than mentally retarded people face. People w Downs are greatly affected by alzheimers, heart defects & diabetes not to mention a lack of support from society.

Did you know that a retarded adult who can't live on their own and has to live with their parents or a care giver receives little financial assistance from their gvt? Their care giver's income counts towards theirs, which reduces their aid.

Don't comment on subjects that you clearly know nothing about. Shame on you for your ignorance and self righteousness.

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
2 points

I would absolutely not abort a baby who would be mentally retarded. The idea that his/her life isn't worth living is, to be honest, pretty simpleminded and horrible. First of all, who are you to decide whose life is worthwhile and whose isn't? And on what basis? if happiness, mentally retarded people can certainly find happiness. In fact, as one debater already pointed out, they often enjoy the simple things much more easily than most people do. If meaning, then who is to say that mentally retarded people can't find that? I believe they definitely can and do. They love, feel, and think. Their life is just as worthwhile as yours or mine.

Side: No because their life has immense value
2 points

Well it depends on the circumstances, but i don't think i would be able to abort something so precious as life.

If you have a disability then if your surrounded by people who love and understand you as who you are then you should not be aborted.

But if the baby is brought up in the "real world" and surrounded by ignorant people who raise their tone of voice, make hand signals and talk slowly to you i'm not sure as this would drive me insane.

This is a tough question, but my answer would be no: everyone has the right to live and enjoy life.

Side: No live life
2 points

Depends what you mean

Down syndrome=abort

Asperger syndrome=keep

Side: No, it's irresponsible
1 point

No, love your kid how they are, kids with special needs are just as human as the rest of us, and sometimes they are the most compassionate people out there.

Side: No, it's irresponsible
Abbott(158) Disputed
1 point

No, love your kid how they are, kids with special needs are just as human as the rest of us

idk about everyone else that is on that same side as me but i agree with you 100%

but you have to think not everyone agrees with us. and kids are mean...evil sometimes. they don't care how compassionate your kid is they just want to get a few laughs and make themselves feel better than somebody else...its disgusting.

and sometimes they are the most compassionate people out there.

They are the most compassionate people out there. they give the best hugs in the world too ;) i swear i pass by a kid with D.S. and i have even a hint of a frown on my face...haha i get a hug that will brighten the darkest of days :D

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
1 point

Tough question but in the end, nobody has the right to choose who deserves to live. Where would we draw the line? Everyone has the right to a life.

Side: No, it's irresponsible
1 point

Tough question but in the end, nobody has the right to choose who deserves to live. Where would we draw the line? Everyone has the right to a life.

Side: No, it's irresponsible
1 point

Only if the baby was incompatible with life. .

Side: No, it's irresponsible
-1 points

No any knid of abortion is wrong. You are killing a human being.

Side: No, it's irresponsible
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

What if doctors know for a fact that the mother will die during birth and the child will at most only live for a couple of days, in pain, and then will die.

And the mother also has 3 other kids and the father and all other family is dead.

So those three kids, the mom, and the child will all likely die. If the abortion happens all will live but the baby who is doomed anyway.

In that case is "any kind of abortion wrong"?

Side: Yes, it's no way to live
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

double post

Side: Yes, it's no way to live