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Would you be okay with a Muslim President?

In recent debates i've seen. The answers seem to be half and half when it comes to debating about religion and Muslim in specific. I personally thought this would be intriguing to see how this one goes.

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I have no reason to assume that a politician being a Muslim would make them any more or less crazy then politicians that are Christian or Jewish or Atheist.

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1 point

Amen to that.

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donvito0(6) Disputed
-1 points

Barrack HUSSEIN Obama is a muslim if you didn't know, bruh. See where he brought us. In front of the World War 3. Muslims are evil, they believe in death only and they like to blow people for their fake freedom beliefs.

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You have to be a troll....only a fool would say something like "Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a muslim". It shows how ignorant you are to Obama's beliefs. And why capitalize the "hussein" part? Are you trying to imply that he is equivalent to Saddam? He was born with the name his parents gave him 40+ years ago....

Side: Sure
-2 points

No person should be denied public office based on their religious/spiritual beliefs, or lack thereof.

This was the whole reason the Founding Fathers were secularists. To not be okay with a Muslim president sounds like religious discrimination to me.

Side: Sure
2 points

Downvote my argument? Why? What about it was unsound, illogical, or nonsensical?

Side: Sure
3 points

Well you're OK with Christian presidents, and they believe the exact same pile of bollocks.

Side: Sure
3 points

Ouch, two down votes. I was just pointing out there are very few fundamental differences between the main doctrines of both religions, so for a Christian to say that Muslims are bad is hypocritical and demonstrably false.

Side: Sure
1 point

I too don't understand.

Surely this is a quite a reasonable assertion.

can someone explain?

was it the strong language, if you replace "bollox" with "similar stuff", would it sound more reasonable

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2 points

I live in the UK.

just thought that should be mentioned first.

what you want is a president by the people for the people, been muslim is fine if thats the religion you where indoctrinated in to as a child.

Its converts you can't trust.

Tony Blair converted to Roman Catholicism the day after he stoped been PM. If someone feels that strong about a religion the question always lingers was he acting as he thought the people wanted or as he thought "his god" wanted (Everyone has their own version of god.). He wouldn't have been kept as PM if he had of converted before hand.

so if he can guarantee seperation of church and stae then I would be quite happy, it wouldn't make any difference to muslim enemies though, to them he would be the wrong sort of muslim and therefore still an infidel.

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The Catholic religion has always been very good to war criminals, perhaps this is why Mr. Blair felt compelled to convert so shortly after his tenure as a war criminal.

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1 point

LOL, that tickled me on so many levels, what a dude ChadOnSunday

Side: Sure
2 points

I don't see why not.

I get so frustrated when conservatives say "oh I think Obamas a Muslim" that's the least of my worries. So what if he was?? Maybe he wouldnt suck so bad. All the Muslims I have met were way nice people.

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2 points

Very reasonable comment from you, mostly. Don't know why you were downvoted.

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depends, Im not going to put Muslim in my mind, I want to see his/her politics

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1 point

I don't think it matters what religious views they have, as long as they've got decent policies and good ideas for governing the country I live in then why not?

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1 point

I find the idea of a Muslim president no more objectionable than that of a president of any other faith. Personally my preference would be an agnostic or atheist president, but so long as a theistic president of any faith does not intend to impose their beliefs upon others through the power bestowed upon them with their office I do not care. It is when the religious identity becomes the primary driving influence of the office holder that I find it problematic. For me, there are more important issues at stake than religious belief - the economy, social equity, etc. If someone's religion does not obstruct their capacity to address those issues then power to them.

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As long as he believes in free markets and free minds, there would be no problem.

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1 point

I would. As long as 1. He has ideas that won't mess us up.

and 2. that he did not push muslim.

Side: Sure
Jace(5220) Clarified
2 points

Out of curiosity, would you make the same statements about a Christian candidate? Would you voice the same hesitations? I do not want to reach a conclusion without asking, but I have observed it so often that there seems to be undue and unequal reservation regarding Muslims versus Christians.

Side: Sure
1 point

Answering as an American....

I don't care about their religious convictions. Ideally, they are suppose to keep that separate from their job as president. So yes, I have no issue with a Muslim president. They could be a Scientologist (one of the newest wackos) for all I care.

I do take issue to any (current or potential) president that violates the Separation of Church and State and integrates their or anyone else's religion into law in any way that goes against the 1st Amendment.

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1 point

Sure Why not we already have to put up with Christian Presidents

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1 point

I would be okay with it as long as hes no more extreme about it than past presidents, for instance I don't want to be forced to pray in school. Of course this will not happen for probably 100 years or so

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1 point

I dont see why a Muslim president would be a problem cant be as much of a fuck up as some that have had the job

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Why not? Muslims may sometimes have same views as other presidents. Although some may be unfair, they choose presidents according to the people (democratic countries) and most likely a muslim would not make it to be a president

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1 point

Why not? Not like I'm racist or anything to any race. Any president would be okay, as long as they have the ability to govern the country well enough and make the country have a good future. He must also be able to communicate effectively with the people. If that isn't so, then I would not be okay with the president.

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1 point

I say since the president couldn't pass a law based on a less desirable trait of the Muslim religion, sure.

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1 point

I honestly have nothing wrong with an Islamic president. I don't have a problem with anyone of any religion being a president. We live in America. People come here for freedom and the two biggest freedoms there are in the world are freedom of religion and freedom of speech. You cannot simply dislike a president based off his beliefs. As long as he/she meets the requirements to become president, then they should have a fair chance of becoming president.

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1 point

sure, I am ok with a Muslim President. Why not okay with a Muslim President? All are humans.

Side: Sure

But with one exception.....Sharia Law is not introduced. Citizens in the United States are equal and Sharia Law berates women and calls for the execution of homosexuals.

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0 points

Everyone seemed to be okay with our Muslim president, Barack Hussein Obama :3

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3 points

So many overly sensitive people...

oh the newbs.

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You can be a satanist for all I care, I just ask that you don't produce debt at more than a rate of double the last president. cough cough Obama cough cough

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GeneralLee(134) Disputed
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"You can be a satanist for all I care, I just ask that you don't produce debt at more than a rate of double the last president. cough cough Obama cough cough"

Who allegedly is Muslim?

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1 point

There's a problem with that. Obama is not a muslim, neither allegedly or otherwise.

He has stated consistently that he is indeed Christian. Do us a favor and do some research. It's clear that you have done none if you want to continue spewing forth republican propaganda.

And even if Obama were muslim, what difference would it make? Is he somehow a lesser being?

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0 points

I think your assuming that when I said "cough cough Obama cough cough" I was hinting at Obama being a Muslim, I'm not, I'm saying that he is not doing good for this country.

Side: Sure
4 points

I think that someone of the Muslim faith would have a very hard time making it to the Presidency. The reason being, the amount of public religious prejudice which has developed over the last decade or so toward people of the Muslim faith. Just look at Northern Ireland we have seen this before between people of the same bloodlines. I could just imagine the carnage which would ensue if someone of the Muslim faith entered the Presidency!

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3 points

Just as OK as I would be having a Christian, or Jewish, or Hindu, president/prime minister. While I accept it (religion), and understand how it is different to an inherent belief in something with similar levels of proof (unicorns, or a celestial teapot), that's not to say that I agree with it.

But yes, to what the question's really asking, I don't really care whether or not someone's Muslim, Christian, or whatever, if they were my head of state, then as long as I believed that they would do a good job, then I would be happy.

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GeneralLee(134) Clarified
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"then as long as I believed that they would do a good job"

Yes, but there is a difference between you believing they would do a good job, and them actually doing a good job. With the ways the Muslim politics work, they are completely contradictory with that of the American system. That's why most Muslim countries are dictatorships.

Side: Sure
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
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As someone living in a Muslim country, I feel you may need to revise your opinion of 'Muslim politics'.

First of all looking at a list of Islamic countries, you should see that the top five countries listed, by population, are all democracies.

Lots of Islamic countries are dictatorships because the vast majority of countries were dictatorships whilst they were not developed - look at Europe, Africa, Asia - dictatorships are not uncommon in the world, democracy is a new ideal, one that is constantly being redefined and adapted. The Middle East has lots of oil, which means that lots of money has gone into the ME, into Islamic countries, in the last 50 or so years, forcing them to develop rapidly. This forgoes social development, and does not bring about political development - a move to democracies. Also, a significant factor is that many Western governments prop up dictators for mutual benefits, even overthrowing democracies.

Finally, Muslim politics are based off of the five pillars of Islam. One of these is charity, so I can understand completely why your American (Republican) politics is not compatible - you guys have spent the last month in a hypocritical and ignorant celebration of individual work, that borders on insulting to the collective society that gave these opportunities. Here in Qatar, the government happily takes care of its people - universal education, healthcare, benefits, the people have it all.

Also, I'm not even going to address the racial message you're trying to give out - because someone's a Muslim, they're unable to do a good job. Is it not sad that these sorts of comments don't even shock me any more?

Side: Sure
2 points

Even though most of all of our presidents turn out to be Jewish. We have had some catholic like J.F.K. and they turned out to work out very well despite the assassination. Now with a Muslim the controversy would never end. 300 years of Jews and Catholics and we have turned out fine. With some bumps along the way with scandals and impeachments we have had our fair share of problems; but aslong as were not under a monarchy, dictatorship, or communist. If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

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GeneralLee(134) Disputed
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"Even though most of all of our presidents turn out to be Jewish"

George Washington was Jewish? Abraham Lincoln was Jewish? Very very few of our Presidents were actually Jewish. Get educated man.

(NOTE: I'm on your side, though, maybe I should have hit the "Clarified" button. Too late to change that now.)

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JakeJ(3254) Disputed
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JakeJ(3254) Clarified
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Side: Sure
LShort(9) Disputed
1 point

I'm pretty sure none of our presidents have been Jewish, and only one has been Catholic.

Side: Sure
2 points

I unfortunately support this side. Not to be seen as racist, all the controversy surrounding the Muslim world would make me unsure.

Side: Not at all
GeneralLee(134) Disputed
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GAAAAA! Statements like yours ("Not to be seen as racist") kinda frustrate me! Muslims aren't (I repeat) aren't a race. Muslim is the term given to the followers of Islam. It's like saying because I don't like Christians, I must be racist. Well, I'm not. Christians aren't a race any more than Muslims are a race.

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Jungelson(3959) Disputed
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I know this is reeeeeaaaaaaaally off topic but you're right. In my school if you make any jokes about Jews ( non WWII related) people all get upset saying " you can't say that you Nazi, you're racist" however you tel the exact same joke, but use a christian, people just think 'lol'

Side: Sure
Jace(5220) Disputed
1 point

You do realize that there is at least an equitable amount of controversy surrounding the Christian/western world, yes? Christianity does not exactly have the best track record, past or present. It makes no more sense to assume the character of a Muslim person based upon their faith identity than it does to do so for a Christian person based upon their faith identity. If you would extend your logic to include all controversial faiths then I would say your argument might have merit, otherwise it truly is just prejudiced.

Side: Sure
2 points

This country is founded in principles that go against the Muslim belief. I'm not saying they can't live here, but I am saying that a Muslim, as president, would not be a good choice for us (at the moment).

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Jace(5220) Disputed
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I'm not saying they can't live here, but... No, of course not. You are merely implying that Muslims go against the founding principles of the country, which in turn would imply that they do not truly belong here but we will tolerate them in the name of "diversity" and "plurality". Truly, bravo.

Seriously though, what founding principles go against Muslim belief? If you mean to imply that the country was founded upon Christian principles you are incorrect; while there was a Puritan influence in political thought there is not a single specific reference to Christianity in the founding legal documents and the language used primarily reflects philosophical publications of the enlightenment era. Islam is no more against those principles than Christianity is, and the separation of church and state makes Christian belief as irrelevant as Islamic belief in the realm of law.

Side: Sure
2 points

That depends, are Democrats OK with a Christian President? Of course not!

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Jace(5220) Disputed
2 points

Considering that many of them are Christian themselves and that they have been doing so for decades, I would say yes they would be okay with that.

Side: Sure
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

There are many Democrats who are Christian. And many Democrats who are just fine with a Christian president.

Where's your logic?

Side: Sure
1 point

I wouldn't be ok with a Muslim President because all he/she has to do is have the Sharia law come in on the U.S and then we would be forced to believe in "allah"

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Cuaroc(8827) Disputed
1 point

you already believe in Allah

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Side: Sure
Srom(12207) Disputed
2 points

No I don't believe in allah I believe in Jesus Christ not allah.

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LShort(9) Disputed
1 point

Pretty sure it's well outside the realm of Presidential power to nullify the Constitution and replace it with Sharia law.

Side: Sure
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
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Sorry Srom but not all Muslims and not all Muslim Countries have Sharia law and your argument about Muslims killing non-believers is a bit of a broad generalisation do you know any Muslims? And the Bible talks about stoning Women and Children and "Christians" have committed many attrocities throughout history all in the name of their faith so really having a Christian President is as bad as having a Muslim one

Side: Sure
MRM777(9) Disputed
2 points

And the Bible talks about stoning Women and Children

Yes it does but the stoning of people was the law of the Jewish people and Israel not Christians.

"Christians" have committed many attrocities throughout history all in the name of their faith

No real Christians would never kill in the name of Jesus because it says that you will know what real Christians are.

Yes there have been people who said they were Christian but they act totally the opposite of what Jesus taught them (which there are many today who think they are Christian but they are not), unlike Islam who teaches if you do not believe what they believe they you should be killed. Christ never said to go out and preach my name and if they don't believe in me kill them.

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1 point

No, I would not be happy with a Muslim President. I voted for Obama thinking it was only right that someone other than an "old white guy" had an opportunity to lead the nation; I now realize that was a terrible mistake. Regardless of what color the President is he should be a real American, with moderate conservative values. Let's face it Obama is not and neither are most Muslims. I personally don't want the US to transform into the Republic of Wadiya so I won't vote for Admiral General Aladeen, lol.

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Jace(5220) Disputed
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Cannot tell if troll or ignoramus. Only those with moderate conservative values are "real Americans"? This country was founded by a revolution and premised upon plurality. Besides which, electing a Muslim will not lead to the imposition of Sharia law. Only a knee-jerk alarmist would truly believe that.

Side: Sure
1 point

Well then the knee jerk alarmists are onto something. Sharia law is already practiced (and sanctioned by the host government) in several western countries. Last I checked, Britain had almost 100 Sharia courts operating within its boarders. These are courts where, for example, a raped woman must be able to provide four male Muslim witnesses in order to prove the rape charge. These are courts, lets remind ourselves, that openly discriminate based on sex and sexuality, and courts that dish out some of the most brutal and primitive sentences. And they do this with the full support of the legitimate legal system of Britain. So you'll understand why people feel strongly about resisting Sharia Law; it's opposed to every value we hold in the West, and it has already shown that it can, in fact, impose itself on a nation.

Not saying that electing a Muslim would automatically put us under Sharia, but I think it's a more valid concern than you give it credit for, and it's also something that doesn't require a Muslim in the executive branch to occur.

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HELL NO are you insane I don't want shereia law the though of such thing scares the hell out of me as it should ALL true Americans

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all true americans? You mean the white folk who came and stole this land from the natives and wont let anyone else live here? Yup, TRUE americans.....

Side: Sure
1 point

Very good point is it not about time America had a Native American as President cant get any realer than that!!

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warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

What the hell now? Stole what land? Boy what version of history did you learn

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Jace(5220) Disputed
1 point

It is called Sharia law, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume that a Muslim president would be more likely to implement Sharai law in the U.S. than would a Christian president be to implement a national Church. I do not want Sharia law in the U.S., but I do not confuse that issue with the candidate's viability. In other western democracies where Sharia law has been slowly implemented this did not arise because the PM or other elected officials were Muslim, it happened because the citizens were not safeguarding their civil rights and liberties against one particular type of extremism (and mind you there are many - in all religions and within political groups as well).

Side: Sure
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

No True Scotsman fallacy.

Side: Sure
1 point

The U.S. Constitution could not stand as the law of the land under Islamic Rule. It guarantees of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness a direct opposition to Sharia Law. The day that happens the USA will cease to exist as a free nation.

Ever see Happy people in an Islamic Country? Better question: Ever see happy non-muslim (Christian, Jewish) people in an Islamic Country - oh thats right there are none - they are all killed for their beliefs.

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just what we need peoiple with the pleasure of blowing things up in charge of bombs great idea dip shit

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