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Debate Score:74
Arguments:44
Total Votes:110
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Would you live in a Communist country if you could be wealthy?

What are the values of capitalism?

No

Side Score: 40
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Yes

Side Score: 34
7 points

It seems to me to be a fundamental property of a proper communist nation that there would be no such thing as "wealthy." It's like asking "Would you live in an anarchist country if you could be president." Well sure, but then it wouldnt be much of an anarchy, now would it?

Side: No
1 point

Great point!

Side: No
-3 points
2 points

If I was wealthy under a communist government then I would likely be the dictator.

Side: No
2 points

No of course not. Communism is totally wrong...it just looks good on paper. It won't ever work out in the end because if there is no incentive no work, no one will.

Side: No
Zeitgeist(18) Disputed
1 point

Have you even bothered to read Marx or any other Marxists?

The incentive to work is found in real human needs. People labour for the satisfaction of human needs and wants. In a capitalist society this natural human drive is perverted by the profit motive where by mans truely human functions become animal, and his animal functions (eating, sleeping, procreating) become self fulfilling and his whole human purpose.

Side: No
2 points

In an ideal communist society there is no such thing as wealthy, for wealth is only relative to what others have. If you and everyone else in your communist country had $1bln, would you be wealthy? No, unless in comparison to other "poorer" people elsewhere in the world. But then your wealth would be on the basis of inequality, no?

Side: No
2 points

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BEING WEALTHY IN A COMMUNIST COUNTRY! first of all communism is an economic state not a political state and to be wealthy you have to have other people to compare your wealth to and when everyone has the same "wealth" you are in a neutral state. and as for it being a utopia, when you get paid no matter how hard or how poorly you work there will be people who get mad for not being promoted and there will be poorer products due to peoples' lack of interest or lack of caring. without the ability to go higher in your job, there is a lack of competition, and without competition there is no development of new technology or advances in medical practices etc. also without freedom of the press (which you would have in a communist country) the gov't could be doing things behind the citizens' backs that could be horribly devastating and if one person knows there is nothing they can do about it to tell others!

Side: No
1 point

No because you would lose all of your money eventually..........

Side: No
Mahollinder(893) Disputed
1 point

Everyone loses their money eventually. The thrust of Communism, however, isn't really about money per se. It's about the control of the means of production.

Side: yes
sirius(367) Disputed
1 point

If the government controls the means of production, then everybody will end up having the same amount of money. Everyone gets paid the same, so I will end up not being wealthy.

Side: No
1 point

All humans were born with the primary instinct of "self-interest." If it weren't such, Communism wouldn't be a "Utopic theory" but rather reality. What works will work, and what doesn't wont. Argue against the laws of nature at your own discretion, - believe in the TRUTH, or believe what you want. We all have different "beliefs" and political views but one thing is for sure - In the end, one ground will fall and one will remain. Woe to them that lack the intelligence to realize what ground they stand upon. Would I live in a Communist country if I were wealthy? Well, my wealth would fall, my incentive would fall, and my self interest would be artificially suppressed - and so would the nation fall altogether. Dont let the benefits of Communism trick you. People should start reading the history books, because at the end of a good story, is a lesson learned.

Side: No
1 point

I only want to live in a communist country if I want to lie, steal, kill and raise my children to lie, steal and kill.

Side: No
1 point

It is not fun to have wealth under a 'big brother' government such as in the U.S. of the near future, if U.S. citizens don't wake up.

Side: yes
1 point

The entire Idea of being a part of a communist regime is to eradicate what submerges the others. I'm not saying that being rich is bad. But, if it is not the complete idea, there is no point being a part of it.

Side: No
0 points

Are you serious?

Side: No
5 points

To preface, I don't think any Communist countries these days are pulling of the ideology very well. At least not the way I would do it. (Frederarxism, lol) But, I think Communism, in general, could work.

As far as being rich goes, if it was done my way, I would only be as rich as everyone else, that would be working as hard as I am.

Side: Yes
5 points

First of all guys.

There are no communist countries. And there never were.

Communism is a utopic theory. A model of the world without money where everyone gets whatever he wants and does whatever he's obliged too.

So being wealthy in a communist country - it's a nonsense.

And if u're referring to the post-soviet countries or china - well nowadays you can live there pretty good.

I'm currently living in Moscow and u know it's nice. If u've got a good job and some place to grow - u can live here comfortably.

And i was on a business trip to China a month ago - that country is quite amazing. The growth, the power, the technical level i think it is nice to live there too.

Side: Yes
1 point

Indeed, there are only socialist countries, not communist. If there were such a country, I'd love to live there!

According to Wikipedia, "Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production." So if there were such a place, no one would be wealthy--at least not in relationship to any one else in that country. But, perhaps the country itself could be wealthy... that would certainly help.

Supporting Evidence: Wikipedia definition of Communism (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: No
Zeitgeist(18) Disputed
-1 points

"Communism is a utopic theory." No it is a scientific and critical theory. Read Marx

Side: No
2 points

For me to be wealthy in a communist country than everyone would be wealthy.

Since everyone is wealthy this would be a nice place to live. So I would enjoy living there.

Side: Yes
Daniel(6) Disputed
1 point

Wealth within a country is relative to the remainder of the population. Therefore, if everyone is of equal prosperity, nobody is wealthy. Furthermore, wealth within a country may not be proportional to wealth on an international scale. Say for instance you live in a country where the average capital is $1,000 and you have $2,000. In that case you'd be wealthy, but if the international average capital is $5,000 then you'd not be wealthy seeing as you've got significantly less than the majority (purely example figures to illustrate the point).

Side: No
redragon104(13) Disputed
1 point

I understand the sentiment and where your coming from. Your essential argument is like asking the question: Would you rather make $30,000 and have other people make $15,000, or make $60,000 and have other people make $100,000?

However, that is not the situation as it is presented. In a communist community people would have approximately the same wealth. A rephrasing of the question would be more like this: Would you rather make $30,000 and have other people make $15,000, or make $60,000 and have other people make $60,000?

Presented in this context I would suggest that people would prefer the latter. It is not as important to be in the top social class if there is no one above you. In fact, when there is less disparity between social classes, people are generally happier.

Some people suggest that this lack of disparity between classes is what leads to longer life expectancies in some countries. A strong proponent of this theory is Micheal Marmot, and hes written a book about it, "How Social Standing Affects Our Health and Longevity."

Side: Yes
1 point

In some "NON-DICTATORSHIPS" there was universal health care, free education, and jobs; a utopia some in America might call.(i.e:Bulgaria) Yes, I would because the American idea of wealthy is being above everyone; Communism stops that making everyone equally rich or poor making everyone wealthy or poor. It's called happiness.

Side: yes

Of course I would! Hell if I was rich in a communist country, the ruling class would consist of ME and me alone. Yes its a problem to have that be the case, but as far as this debate goes, then yes i would.

Side: Hell Yes
1 point

No! I will not live in a communist country if I am healthy because communist government is always ugly and evil. Communism was the most stupid and destructive thing ever happened to mankind.

Side: yes

I hate to admit it, but.... yeah :)

Side: Yes
-1 points

Well, seeing as there is (or at least in theory) no class division in a communist society, that would mean that everyone is equally as wealthy as I. This wouldn't be a bad thing because that means that everyone in the society is doing their part as they should.

In America, a society like this is hard to imagine. When we think wealthy, we think "Fun". We buy all the latest gadgets, comfortable cars, blah blah blah, etc. In a healthy communist society though, you could be wealthy, but you couldn't have things like this or it would likely make you a less useful citizen.

The problem with communism (from an american's point of view) is that people don't like being so responsible for everyone else. We don't like working for the group because we are selfish and self centered. We want to be better than the next man because that's America's meaning of success.

Side: Yes
-4 points
Bradf0rd(1428) Disputed
0 points

Please read: "The Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx

Side: Yes
dcovan(170) Disputed
1 point

Please read the constitution or the declaration of independance.A theory is great but these two have made The united States of America the greatest country ever.

Side: Yes
0 points

Another example of a liberal fascist comment.

Side: Yes