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Debate Score:66
Arguments:53
Total Votes:88
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Would you (violently) defend your right to bear arms?

I understand this may seem like an absurd debate to some, but in all seriousness, if there ever came a time when the government demanded that you surrender your firearms, would you uphold your second ammendment right with gunfire, or would it even bother you?

Yes

Side Score: 44
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No

Side Score: 22
3 points

The second amendment makes all the other ones possible.

Since Mister Guy seems to think that voting yes makes us paranoid nut jobs, I will point out clearly that I do NOT believe that the government will be taking away our second amendment rights anytime soon.

But that's not what this debate is asking. It's asking "Would you violently defend your right to bear arms". Yes, I would. If the government ever decided to eliminate our second amendment rights, I will be part of the uprising.

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed Banned
1 point

"The second amendment makes all the other ones possible"

...in your own, wild opinion that is.

"Since Mister Guy seems to think that voting yes makes us paranoid nut jobs"

Not all the time...just most of the time...lol...

"If the government ever decided to eliminate our second amendment rights, I will be part of the uprising"

...and you would lose, but, once again, you are lucky in that it will never happen, period.

Side: No
ThePyg(6734) Disputed
1 point

Well, a bunch of farmers with homemade muskets were able to take out an entire Empire.

I think members of the NRA (and military and police forces, since many of them are big gun advocates) can take on the government.

As Thomas Jefferson said "The tree of liberty must be replenished from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants".

A quote like this is an example of the importance of the second amendment.

Side: yes

I would lock and load one twenty round clip, set the selector switch to rock-and-roll and go to town on anyone trying to take my guns away. They will have to pry it from my cold dead fingers. Of course I have to buy some guns and ammo first but that's besides the point ;)

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed Banned
0 points

In a firefight between you & the govt....the govt. wins every, single time. Remember that before you act foolishly.

Side: No

Really? Every single time? Is that why some coups are successful? Seriously, how old are you? Because if you're a teen I'll go a lot easier on you. Currently I'm treating you like a mentally retarded adult. ;)

Side: yes
1 point

Kudos to JoeCalvary and Misterguy for a very cool topic. Misterguy, I appreciate your position, but...the second ammendment is the call that prevents nihilistic views from capturing the main stream. Our identity depends on the ability to keep a strong front. An armed populace, dedicated to its own survival, keeps many nefarious bands away.

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed Banned
1 point

"An armed populace, dedicated to its own survival, keeps many nefarious bands away."

Once again, if you believe that the govt. is "afraid" of its own people just because a few of them are armed with what amounts to pea-shooters, you are living in a fantasy world. If the govt. ever comes calling (and if you stay out of trouble, they won't), you will be crushed...make no mistake about it.

I also have little to no interest in debating what the 2nd Amendment says or what others feel like it says.

Side: No
ostdrauka99(16) Disputed
1 point

Misterguy, I'm honored that you would respond to my posting. I'm sure we will agree and disagree on many points. I look forward to future debates. As for this one...

I find it amazing that you equate gun control with a fantasy world. Reality, in human rights, means, to me, that before I am to exercise my right to form a well regulated militia I need to have proof that my inalienable rights are being infringed upon. When I am told that my views are against state views, I will pull my gun. When I am told that I have no right to seek my own happiness, I will pull my gun. I guess that is a fantasy world. I would never expect that a socialistic government headed by Obama would want me to disagree with its views. For instance, I wouldn't expect a government to demand that I accept junk science to dictate my life through mandates of power consumption and energy/carbon trading...

What that means to me, as a gun owner, is that your reality would rather see a government control of all other rights before gun control. simply put, in the worst case scenario take away the liberal rights of people (speech, religion, assembly, redress).

I'm not worried about the government in the sense that you mentioned. I'm worried about pundits that speak for a "greater good".

I appreciate that you do not care about the constitution. It shows that I might have mis-placed my belief that you are one of the rational, well educated people that I would like to debate. Good day.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes. I would gladly defend my rights. I'm not saying I would Lone Wolf the government, but if there was to be an uprising, I would Lock n Load and defend my right as an American.

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed Banned
0 points

"but if there was to be an uprising"

You're in luck, because there will never be "an uprising".

Side: No
NeverShine(39) Disputed
2 points

Hopefully there would never be the need for one. If it ever came to a point to where the removed our right to bear arms, then you better believe there would be. Right now, there are more than 4 million NRA members. You take away 4 million peoples right to bear arms........bad things happen.

Side: yes
1 point

Depends if it hunted the bear in the wild or if I killed it in the zoo.

Side: yes
1 point

when the government tries to take away my right to own guns they are taking my freedom away. i will not allow that to happen once they take away guns in this nation the government can do what ever they want to the general people without fear or worry of repercussion from the people and i would rather die trying to protect what i believe in then have to live my life by someones else's believes and standards.

Side: yes
1 point

Hell ya. I mean i live in TN and we use guns all the time....not for killing but we use them for other purposes for like hunting and stuff. We all have a right (says the constitution) to "bear arms" so i would fight anyway i could to keep mine :)

Side: yes
1 point

I would defend my second amendement rights till the bitter end because if they took that right away from citizens then only criminals could get fire arms and gun crimes would sky rocket

Side: yes
1 point

the perpose of the secound ammendment is to give the people the nessisary items to ressist tyranny so violent oposition to any atempt to limit out rights should be meet with determend violnt opposition from all freedom loveing patriots

Side: Yes
0 points

Damn straight I would. Hell, I know I wouldn't get very far, but it's the message that's more important. Once we let people start controlling more and more of our lives, we begin to submit ourselves into a sort of slavery. Worse than it is now. Every man has their breaking point, and if they take away my weapons, they've pushed past that point.

Of course, I wouldn't do it so openly. I'd have methods behind the madness and I'd probably organize as best I could, but yes. I'd violently defend my rights. I don't see the rape of the constitution as a good thing, and honestly, I don't really like how it's holding up at current(Patriot Act), so I'm already about to snap.

Side: yes
2 points

misterguy regardless if warlin is talking tough or not why do you care your not debating anything by leaving a comment like the one you did does not do anything but lets the rest of the world no you cant debate properly

Side: yes
1 point

Yes Warlin i totally agree with you. :) Every man does have their breaking point. And it IS the message that is more important. It is true that if we let other people run our lives we will begin to submit ourselves "into slavery" as you say. Therfore i agree :)

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed Banned
0 points

"Every man has their breaking point, and if they take away my weapons, they've pushed past that point."

Good thing that they won't ever do that then.

"honestly, I don't really like how it's holding up at current(Patriot Act), so I'm already about to snap."

No, I bet you really aren't. You're likely just talking tough is all.

Side: No
1 point

I agree with you. The government has little chance of denying Americans a right that was given to us in the Bill of Rights. But if by some miracle it does happen, you better believe that will violently fight for my 122 year old right. The government is on very, thin ice right now.

Side: yes
0 points

The right to bear arms is the second amendment to the United States Constitution. When it was written by the Constitutional Convention in 1887, our founding fathers were in full agreeance when they made the right to bear arms a major component in the Bill of Rights. They obviously felt a strong need to give this right to the people. Owning a weapon is what the United States was founded upon. Besides, if owning a weapon was made against the law, who would own and use weapons. It would be the terrorists, murderers, and criminals who break the law, leaving the innocent defenseless.

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed Banned
1 point

"Owning a weapon is what the United States was founded upon."

No, it really isn't. The USA is based on freedom...not the irrational fear of what your fellow man might do.

"Besides, if owning a weapon was made against the law"

...which NO ONE is out to do!

Side: No
2 points

I agree that one should have the right to own arms but i do not believe on has to use violence to obtain their wildest gun dreams. if one wants to own a gun i have no qualms with them but if they wish to own guns such as a AK47 and AK74u they should be dealt with in a more civilized manner to protect the people. A hunting rifle is fine, a pistol is fine, an automatic or assault rifle is over doing it specially since the only reason an American needs a gun such as a rifle is for hunting. I am not saying all guns are for hunting a pistol may be used for self defense, But only as a Deterrence to violence.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Banned
1 point

I don't own any guns. I don't need to own any guns either, as I'm not afraid that the "boogeyman" will be coming to get me tonight or any other night. I also don't feel the need to collect guns, target shoot, or go hunting.

However, I do think that people have a right to own guns to protect themselves & their families, to collect them, and to use them recreationally (like for target shooting & hunting). Does one have a Constitutional right to do all of the above? Well, I won't get into that... :)

Basically though, all of you out there that live in fear of the govt. coming to "take yer guns" need not worry, since that's never going to happen here in the USA. Don't buy into the fear people...

Side: No