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YEC is Correct YEC is Incorrect
Debate Score:24
Arguments:16
Total Votes:25
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 YEC is Correct (3)
 
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YECreationism: Fact or Fake?

The purpose of this debate is to discover wether young earth creationism is scientifically correct or not

No arguments for/against evolution, this is about arguments for/against creationism.

Rules:

Do not use morality as an arguments

Facts presented without evidence, are dismissable without evidence

No personal attacks against other users

Must have good, readable grammar

Be polite, do insult others based on their belief

No cursing

 

EDIT: Could you guys call some more people to come to the debate? It seems somewhat inactive at the moment

EDIT: If you're gonnaa downvote someone because of their position in the debate , at least TRY to disprove them

EDIT: Could you guys see if there are any YECs looking for a debate? Currently we don't have any YECs to debate

YEC is Correct

Side Score: 6
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YEC is Incorrect

Side Score: 18
1 point

I believe that creationism makes sense, because SOMETHING caused the big bang. Things do not just happen. There is a reason for everything.

Side: YEC is Correct
2 points

Either prove me wrong, or shut the fuck up, coward. You down voting me without posting proves that you are a damn coward.

Side: YEC is Correct
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
2 points

Actually, this is about young earth creationism, the belief that that genesis is literal and the earth is 6,000 yrs old. Aside from that, you're right, something had to cause the big bang, things don't just happen.

Side: YEC is Incorrect
pakicetus(1455) Clarified
1 point

Actually, this is about young earth creationism, the belief that that genesis is literal and the earth is 6,000 yrs old. Aside from that, you're right, something had to cause the big bang, things don't just happen.

Side: YEC is Correct
2 points

Oh, okay. Thank you for telling me. :)

Side: YEC is Correct
endhypocrisy(65) Disputed
1 point

I agree with the fact that something created the Big Bang, but it was simple physics and chemistry, not a deity or deities. The Big Bang was an expansion, not an explosion. The universe existed in a incredibly compressed state which then expanded rapidly with an infinite release of heat. The first elements formed were hydrogen and helium which then bonded. Giant clouds of these elements formed the stars and planets due to the effect of gravity. I will come clean and admit that science does not know where the original matter is. However, sometimes it is better to admit that you don't know than to find an ersatz quasi-"answer" to everything; good thing come to those who wait, and to claim that you somehow "know" and have an intimate relationship with your particular flavour of god, and to claim that you "know" something despite all the evidence to the contrary is simply paradoxical, narcissistic and purely arrogant. And don't tell me that there's a "reason for everything". We weren't put here to fulfill some magical purpose; we are here because we naturally evolved.

As for evolution, there is proof everywhere. Rockhopper penguins evolved climbing abilities- hence their name-- to help them build their nests, which are often erected on cliffs up to 100m high. Camels evolve long eyelashes so that their eyes are not damaged by sandstorms. Mussels evolve a byssus thread to hang onto rocks. Even race is a matter of intelligence; the first humans came from Africa were they needed black skin to cope with high levels of UV, but as they moved to areas like Europe they no longer needed so much protection and thus their skin whitened. Evolution takes place even on a cellular level. Sperm cells developed tails for swimming, red blood cells got rid of their nuclei to carry more hemoglobin and root hair cells have large surface areas to absorb water. Creationists argue that the human eye is far too complex to have evolved. However, there is evidence to suggest that the light sensitive patches of some single celled organisms evolved naturally into eyes, and besides, the human eye is a far cruder device than that of the owl. Would God really love barn owls more than his own metaphorical children? Somehow, I doubt it.

And don't tell me that evolution is "unrealistic". Isn't the idea of a magical Orwellian figure who can bend the laws of science with his fingertips unrealistic?

Creationists blind themselves to the glory of the universe. The universe's great beauty is in its self-updating, self-changing nature, far superior than any machine crafted

though man's folly. Its true beauty is that it is an unknown, that their is so much amazing potential ready to be unleashed. I'm sorry, but creationism is a form of mental self-abuse to make the lazy feel smart, and I have a feeling that YECs will not cease this physiological onanism.

Side: YEC is Incorrect
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
1 point

I appreciate you coming over here, but I think you are mistaken, Ismaila is not (to my knowledge) a YEC, she probably just thought that the debate was about creationism in general as opposed to YEC exclusively

Side: YEC is Incorrect
3 points

Well since there are human remains dated older then 6,000 years i'm going with incorrect.

Side: YEC is Incorrect
2 points

1: How could Adam and Eve's lineage have survived? Two individuals do not have enough genetic variety to sustain an entire species

Side: YEC is Incorrect
2 points

Star light, Young earth creationism usually propositions that the world was made at the same time as the universe, if such was the case, we wouldn't be seeing very many stars.

Side: YEC is Incorrect
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
1 point

Nah, they always say that the universe was created with light already in place for us to see it

Side: YEC is Incorrect
casper3912(1581) Clarified
2 points

Yea but in doing so they admit that their god is deceptive, and created the world with an apparent history, and doesn't really want us to be "saved", but would rather try to trick us. Doesn't do much to support their claim of an benevolent god.

Side: YEC is Correct
2 points

First of all, the core of creationism is totally unproven, where we were all created at the snap of gods fingers as we are. I have yet to see evidence for this.

Secondly the claim that our earth was only 6000 years old is also unbacked and goes against evidence already found.

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/AgeEarth.html

Thirdly creationists argue against the big bang theory.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

The last but not least creationism argues with most is evolution.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#section_2

I know a lot of people distrust wikipedia but honestly it would tale me way to long to gain all that research myself, it is cited, it has its references. You can check them if you like. I read over all the pages to make sure it all sounded legit and nobody messed with the pages.

Side: YEC is Incorrect
1 point

2: Why do we never get human fossils mixed with dinosaurs? Some creationists argue that humans were smarter and climbed higher, but really? Not one person got stuck under a dinosaur or in a house? Not one mosasaur swam higher than a dolphin?

Side: YEC is Incorrect
1 point

Young Earth Ceationism is an unjustifiable historical extrapolation from a largely non-historical document. It's an embarrassment to Christians and Biblical scholars everywhere.

Side: YEC is Incorrect
1 point

And it's stupid

Side: YEC is Incorrect