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i shall bring upon this debate the argument of blase pascal. which simply is that if there is a God and you do bad deeds you go to hell if you do good deeds heaven. Now if there isn't a God then if we do good deeds nothing happens bad deeds nothing happens. So why not just believe and God do good deeds and only good things can happen
i shall bring upon this debate the argument of blase pascal. which simply is that if there is a God and you do bad deeds you go to hell if you do good deeds heaven. Now if there isn't a God then if we do good deeds nothing happens bad deeds nothing happens. So why not just believe and God do good deeds and only good things can happen
You answered your question: believe is not necessary to god. Actions are. So you may as well act like there is no god and perform good deeds because it is the right thing to do.
I have a question for you: What if there isn't a god, but a devil. The devil rewards bad deeds with heaven and good deeds with hell. Wouldn't it therefore make sense according to your reasoning to pretend that there is a devil and do bad deeds for the risk of heaven? If there is no devil nothing happens, as long as you don't get caught by police.
Except according to christian theology, admittance into heaven is achieved only after submission to "the christ". In other words you can do all the good deeds you want and if you still don't accept jesus, you're going to hell.
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But to answer your question as to why we wouldn't "just believe" to play it safe is because belief is shaped by our experiences, and we cannot just spontaneously reverse our way of thinking. For me to believe in the christian God, first I must be convinced that he is real.
This question seams self centered in itself. If we are blessed by the holy spirit serving God is an honor. Its a treasure. Jesus christ saved me! i didnt save him. If you beleive in jesus christ you belive his teachings. He said go make diciples Go! Be sons of light! Let my name be heard! This is not debatable if you beleive in the one true God.
I live for God. I can understand why so many would want to live for themselves, but I am happy in living my life for God; it gives my life so much more meaning than if I lived every day just for me. Furthermore, its the least I can do for Him.
Anyways, I feel that since I do not believe in god, why follow him? It's a bit like following a dictator who expects everything from you, in return for shallow promises.
Anyways, I feel that since I do not believe in god, why follow him? It's a bit like following a dictator who expects everything from you, in return for shallow promises.
I was lost in the Darkest parts of my own wicked ways, spiraling down a path of destruction leading me away from His Almighty ways, and all the while im going down ONLY ONE, He could save me. No matter how far i looked on this lowly planet, i never once found a soul who could manage, to show me the love that i truly needed, because on this planet aint nothing but hate and contempt have been breeded. the lowly snake slithering as he goes through the towns of man looking for lowly lowly souls, to feed on so that it could plant it's evil seeds, and so that throughout the generations nothing but evil and hate we could recieve, but those where the ways of the past, my brothers and sisters. the devil had a hold of us and he managed through our parents, down through the generations His ways have been lost, and because of the us, the devil has turned and tossed, We can All be saved, all we need is Thanksgiving, to the One who Above, for All of His Givings. The devils trying to stop me right now as i speak, but Faithful to the Lord and willit He, that i may be meek. Because it is He not i that gives you this message but it is The One that we All should seek. i know that it is hard to find Rest, as we all go through this test some call a game, every single last one of us, probably, training to gain and retain our fame. But That is not what this life is about, i have a Strong feeling that we are All getting our Water from the wrong wrong spout. because thats all the devil has for us is a little bit, of pleasure, then comes the pain. steady feeding our bodies what i see now Is Insane. because ya'll hafto see that we are all carnally minded, and This is the reason The LORD, us he has blinded, binding, ourselves to our own flesh, so that eventually we would All fail this Test. but know that The Lord, He loves us, and wishes nothing but the best, and all He wants is for us to Love Him all the while through this Test. some wonder why we see nadoes and quakes, He needs ya'll to know that its Ya'lls souls that He is trying to shake. and bake if you will, so the devil may not have his fill, to letchya'll know that there is NONE like that ALMIGHTY AND ALL POWERFULL ONE. i say full because Hes filled with Love, like None that we have seen on this lowly earth, but now that i have SEEN, my Eyes have been UnBlinded, and now it is He, He who signs this, letter so maybe that some of Ya'll could listen, and Maybe get the Message that He is trying to dish, out of His spout, so that ya'll might be fed, with all of His Love, His Water, And His Bread. Don't for a second think any of Ya'll are living, All of ya'll are dead and for the devil are you "living" as i sit here and do this all of the "dome" just know that it is Not me and that this is His tomb. He is singing through me in these words and this song, so that maybe one day we All can be free all the day long, and ya'll can say its cheesy if ya'll want, but just know the devil in you he does flaunt x) i had to stop and show ya'll how i felt about that one, cuz its the truth, and right now i have a Strong feeling He is swinging harder than that brother Babe Ruth, or ballin harder than micheal jordan, and in this song he Is Playing His Accordian. Ya'll just need to know that He is our Guardian, and right now im flying Higher than any single air jordan, because my love i gave to Him more than any of Ya'll so i guess i can say more than them. But dont getit twizted like boi's if ya'll know, that me and moreover Him, have a lot to show. we are all brothers and sisters, but i should call us the missers, because we all fail to see the smaller things in this world, without even thinking twice, what truly brings a man alot of happiness or to see the pain that ALOT of us have in us. i know that we are all hurting on the inside, and for ya'll who say we dont, Boi, you know that is a lie, because only with Him and not that evil leech from down south, can we truly fly. higher than the highest of trees or the tallest of mountains, But in Him we Have to trust, so that We may Drink From The One and Only True fountain, only because of Him can i do this for days, and its Because i gave Him my love, thanksgiving, and praise. so now that i have seen what it is truly to be Man, Men of God, all these hater out there who bout to say something aint nuthing more than sod. sorry if it dont make sense, just know that me and Him the latter first, We are just trying to give His children, ya'll some mother lovin cents. forgive me if i pause for no longer am i a vulgar man life is just a beach, and Now, He is playing in the sand, hopefully in the minds of the young, the daughters and sons, i have my holster, and now the Lord is my Gun, Shining Brighter, than a million suns, times two, because His love is True, actually make that twenty twenty, because He is aplenty, in me in you and All, i just hope that ya'll can hear His call, so that maybe that ya'll may not fall, into the Pit, but right now i can say the devil is probably having a fit, of anxiety cuz he is losing his "children" just know that we are God's and with me He has been pilfering, in my mind day and night, as i have been in my room trying to stay out of sight, of ya'll because all it seems like to me, that nothing to ya'll it would please, more, than to see one of your own fellow brother get shot and fall. when i look around me i dont see any real love, this evil surrounds me, but Now i DO NOT CARE, because the Lord, THE LORD, HE has found me. so now ya'll cannot touch, because with His love, im about to bust. with loving Faith and Trust, i put in Him, so that i can be led away from this life of sin, and Now that i have His Trust, my brotha's and sista's, not just the black ones, comeon now, that just is not a must, there is no such thing man, all that is, is nothing more than an evil thought, brought up in vain, so that maybe a man's soul, that leech, can be bought. Quit being evil, for it is Love, that should be sought, out so once again we may be fed from His Spout, for only He can give us what we need so that in the end we may succeed. my brothers and sisters all we need to do is Believe, and then, Anything, together, WE CAN ACHIEVE. this is an ode to ya'll so in hopes once again that ya'll may hear The Call, and will not fall, so one day me, ya'll, and The Almighty,Perfect, like a prefect without the er, Omnipotent, and Patient ONE, that together we May All Ball. and they keep telling me to stop, but i just cant my brothers me and Him are headed to the top, and right now i got The Heart Of A Lion, King, and pray tell me my brothers and sisters who are reading, what single Beast can stop that king? of the jungle we are running but with Him we can be free. out into the open pasture we all can roam, just know this is not me, and that this is His Tomb. its wierd how they're spelled alike but do not rhyme, im talking bout bomb my brothers, and its One of a Kind. in the Hopes that this petty rhyme, can help lead the black sheep, away from the Blind, being themselves, for who? tell me can save them from that? if you dont answer right then your a part of this blight that runs rampant through the streets, evil im talking about and all it wants to do is eat, your souls because it is angry at the Living God, hahahaha for it is nothing more than a sod, on His Cleat as He is Running, Hoping that some of these Words, hit you right in the stomach, and make you sick, but not you, im talking about the evil you, for we are all children of God, but we have made ourselves nothing more than a sod =( i say with a heavy heart, because all this time we have been playing the devil, his part, but with Him it is nothing but a fart, because He Forgives, and Only Through Him may we EVER, get the chance to Live, and im not talking about on the earth, im talking about another, and maybe one day you can see and i can Truly call you my Brother, for there is Life in Death, but it is only gained through this life which is a test, just know that when we die, if you have lived righteously, on that day you will Fly, for the Lord will Breathe His Breath in you when you die and like i said before You Will Fly, but not if you keep eating from the devil's table, for you can only eat from one, and i hope its Not the devil's table. for if we Eat from Him, we can All go back into His Stable, and only in doing that can we Ever truly be stable, only only if, we are eating from, The Living God's Table. and for ya'll who are sitting at your computers steadily dissin Him, i pray for you, because it you are missin, Him and the bigger picture, just know right now im taking a Big Gulp From His Ultimate Pitcher, not one from the MLB, and if you are listening then i pray that you sea, i mean see, but with Him we can fly over the one before, and higher than mike, dunk it in, right for a score, but not for 2 for it is for 3, because He is Holy in me, but atm holy in you, because you missing some parts, we all need to change, so that we may play His Part, that He intended from the Beginning, because only With Him can we ever be winning, but hahahaha not as long as we are sinning. for that is not the way that we was meant to walk, With Him we was mean to Walk and Talk. once again i say this way i, used to, but we choose to live, is insane in the membrane, but He is using me as His Template, lol or templar whichever you prefer, just know that He is Prefect, ha just without the errrr. as i sit here steadily dissin em i mean the demons in the minds of the children of the One and Only, God Who Is Kind, i hope that they depart, so we can All gaze upon The Divine, not like wine or watch, i aint lil wayne, just know that i feel like im the only one who is sane. because i AM NOT PERFECT, do not get the wrong message for that would hurt me, only He is, and He just wants some love from His Kids, but for some odd reason... we still choose to do the evil leeches bids, for i feel he has sucked to much from us, all of our blood, i mean soul, it has tucked from us, and right now He is aiming at it with a Big Ol' Blunderbuss. to shoot it and unleech it, from His Children's Soul's so one day maybe we can gaze upon, That Wonderful City Of Gold, and dont letit peak your in ter ests, for if you do your not getting whats bests, from this test that He has beset, for our minds to ponder and think on, maybe in some of the hearts out there this message is shining, for He is a Beacon of Light, to shine out all the evils, and end this ugly, hateful blight, that courses through our vains, that nasty garbage that makes us feel insane, because no one is living right, and for That NONE is sane. you can talk and sit there and chatter, but i pray and hope that none get fatter, and im not talking because of mcdonalds, im talking about your ego and pride, because We Alll NEED to push that aside, all we seem to do is breed hate and contempt, sitting there looking for another hurt sould to feed on, thinking it makes us content, but just know NOW people, lolol all your doing is letting the devil be your PIMP! ha ha ha i think that really funny, because in the words of man that just makes ya'll some ho's, and please forgive my trespasses my sisters and brothers, for my vulgar words, because i Did Not mean to hurt, He's just trying to keep our faces from being rubbed in the dirt. but it really shouldnt matter because we are mud, and from One we all came, so can i not call ya'll blood??? nah im not talking about them two glock shotta's, im talking bout from The One Who Has Always Got Us, not us as in the navy, i mean us as in the ones who might sit on that bus, the one going to school and to the ones who drool in class, and all of us who needs a kick in the, pause, ya'll know what i mean, im just sitting here trying not be obscene, all im trying to do is get the bigger picture, through ya'll minds so that maybe one day, we can All WALK IN THE LORDS WAY. forgive me if i make any of ya'll mad, if i do know that i Am sad, but how about ya'll just go to the store and go and grab on of them happy hefty bags, you know i meant glad if you didnt you are simple, and forgive me as i sit here and bust this pimple, lol sorry that was nasty just know that i didnt, and know that we are all fake, and its time for some rhino plasty, or however its spelled im just hoping some hearts will melt, like the plastic we are, and become melded into flesh, as i sit here and type in this Soul Food test, for if ya'll can't hear me then your hearts are so cold, forgive me as i trespass, because, uhm, i Am not trying to be bold, im just tryna through some fia atcha hearts, in the hopes that you may leave the Dark, ness not loch just in case thats watchu thought, all you gotta do is leave your flesh behind, and know that He is the one who Should Be Sought, out so we can drank From His Spout, cuz the Lord Knows, man it has been a drought. we are all so thirsty, but in order to be filled its The Lord who must come firsty x) just know that me and Him are going Stooopid, and for those who are real maaan i thoughtchu knew it. and if you dont i pray you haven't already blew it, up i mean your ego, like a balloon, just know right now i feel like taz boi, yup them looney toones, or tunes whichever you prefer, just know that He is Prefect, just without the err. and i say pre because He was always here, yes before you and me, but with Him i wanna letchu know that we can all be as pure, and as white as the snow, just like powder we can all be melted, i mean melded into the beings we were meant to be, so one day we may fly free as a dove, Right over the sea, so that we all can reach New Jerusalem, yup just right where we was all meant to be, that is the Golden City for those who did not, know, im just hoping that one day we can All be as pure as the snow, because the evil has taunted and flaunted and given us a show, to peak i mean perk up our ears and it, that leech i mean, gave us nothing but fears, fears of ourselves and one another, fears from our sisters and daughter, Father, and brothers, but we have a right to Fear the Living God, because to Him we have all become a sod, He is sorrowful and cries as we follow, the evil being, who was never meant to be followed, and i felt His pain at one point in time, yes i Am talking About the Divine, we both cried together, in my room, because of the little things we miss, something just as small as, a heartfelt kiss... for it is the little things that bring us the greatest joy, not some diamond chain, or a, wind up toy, the biggest thing of all that should, is His Love, should bring us the Greatest joy, in the world, for thats all it is man just cars and noise, all the long going our way, Missing the sweetest noise, zes ya'll know what i mean, im talking about the One who is Never obscene, for He is Just And Right, in each and every single way, and for our sins my borhters and sisters, we have to pay, but do not fret for it is never to late, I think we all need to call upon The Divine, and we should All go on a date, do not worry for on this date there is no rape, or murder, or hate, for that is of the devil, and Your Soul it will take, there is no worries once you follow Him, we should all be hand in hand as we walk down this path, called, life Never having to worry about no pain or strife, or for a bigger picture His Wrath, but ONLY IF WE DRINK FROM HIS PITCHER. for The All Powerful and Righteous Wrath, only comes when you stray from His Path, it is there to show us our wrongs...can you feel His Soul as i sit here and Sing His song? and with Him i will NEVER fall, because with my Brother, I will always Hear His Call. i say we but it is Him, who say these words to in the hopes, that those who have an Ear to listen may never Fall, into the Pit, all you have to do is have Faith, Follow The Ten, Believe, and never EVER Quit, for in order to gain His All Perfect and Good Graces, we have to eliminate ALL the Hate and evil, in all sorts of places, i have a feeling this song was wrote long before, just in His mind and now in mine, and i sing His song in the Hopes, that you follow Him and not any of these "popes" for no hope lies in them, lol and if you truly think aboutit that actually rhymed, just know that im thinking of Him, foremost, but ya'll too as i steadily write This Rhyme, it comes from above yup, Straight From the Divine, in the Hopes that one day ya'll can SEE, exactly it was that we was missing, so we can All fly over the sea. Man this thing is long but i should Say God, because this is His Rhyme, and not from a sod, like me or you, if you real you can feel its True, as His Sword aims at the hearts of His good, flying Straight and Through, lol i mean True, but them if you can follow my friend, all we gotta do is sing Praises and Thanksgiving to Him, until the very end, and give Him all of our love, Because WITHOUT HIM, ha There WOULD BE NO LOVE, all there would be is pain and suffering, and i hope that the ones who are, suffer, i mean acating, Might actually stop and take the time to sit there and be debating, against the devil of course, cuz all it wants to do is, lead us, right, or left, but straight off our course. Lord Please Forgive me, if i am being coarse just know that i am your back, and You Are My Horse, lol ya'll might think He's heavy but He's really not, and i Love Him till Death, i mean Life, cuz i have found It, but back to the point, because i HE HAS TAUGHT, never went to church or none of that, maybe when i was younger but none of that, for our minds our are churches, ha gotit backwards but i feel as tall as the burches, talking bout them trees man im over the seas man, just know i cant, wait, My Father, until You Kick Over My Can Man x) aw man i thoughit was funny, because he's One Cool Dude, and i am His, Bunny, i mean Collie, and know that as i, i mean He, but as i bark, that i have a Strong feeling, that i am playing my Part, or His i prefer the latter but the choice is yurs, because it is His Puzzle, and i am the last part, i cant be for certain because the Knowledge is His, but im just trying to bring His Black Sheep back, you know i mean His KIDS, He thoughtit was funny, But ya'll best Believe that He NOR i the first comes first, but neither one of us is No, pause, Dummy, lol but if you choose you can beat and bite, whatever you do just know it is out of spite, and i dont capitilize because its an evil word, just know me and HIM, are trying to end this wrongful blight, and saying these words i Hope that maybe, just maybe some can be given the Sight, that HE intended us to have, right, from Go, talking bout monopoly,lol but no no more, from the start maaaan all HE ever wanted was us to give our heart, which is HIS, because He gave to us, All that is HIS, HE just Wanted someone to talk to man, thats why HE made HIS Kids, HE was all alone, and then HE built, a Beautiful place for us, and HIM, to walk and talk all the while, just laughing and talking, seeing eachother smile =) because HE is our FATHER, He's not as mean ha as ya'll would believe, just know that HE TRULY IS ONE BENEVOLENT KING. lol ha ha i think this is funny, He knows what im talking about, cuz this is all of the top of the dome with barely a second to pause, Just Know the THE LION KING, Has Opened HIS Claws, Blessed be the children who took the time to listen, to the message that a, and The King is steadily dishin, i say a because i am one too, but know that im a servant, and from a Seed i did Grew, i dont care if it makes no sense to ya'll because i have heard the Lords Call, and they, they know who they are, are always listening, and as He types, through, me i have a feeling they are about to call, Prayer is the Best Wireless Connection X) aint no service down here got that type of Connection, i just hope that i get to see some of ya'll at that intersection, i mean Crossroads, bone thugz n harmony, they said it first, man thats the song man and if you feel their soul, then maybe you should hurt, because those bois on the streets back in the day, all they was doing was searching for some Peace, but in the streets, the oppressors, following the devil, have no love for us in the slums, just know that we All have a Holster and God Is our Gun, we dont need no metal, for The Lord our issues HE will settle, all you gotta do is Have some Faith, saying this in hope that some dont see any wraiths, talking demons people come now and please listen, as the Lord spits his song and these Words HE is dishin, out yup you getting it word of mouf, lol or mouth whichever you prefer just DONT follow that lowly snake, yup the one down south, it might try and offer pleasure and happiness butits all fake, HA what do ya'll expect from a lowly snake? remeber eve as she sat under that tree? sitting there thinking and feeling the breeze? the snake spoke in her Ear temptation it did bring, and after teel me WHO did she fear? she had a split second of happiness and thats all it can give, and after that she felt the WRATH which is ONLY HIS, lol i hope that ya'll see, the way we live people, it just wasn't meant to be, i have a feeling that there all up there laughing, with, not at me as i type out His message, and i pray ALMIGHTY FATHER, THE ONES WHO HAVE AN EAR TO LISTEN PLEASE FATHER PLEASE LET THE HEAR. and the ones who dont i pray you dont hit him hard, maybe just a little tap, just like Babe Ruth, on that baseball card x) Peace be with you my sisters and brothers, just know that HIS LOVE IS LIKE NO OTHER, GOD BLESS ALL WHO FINISHED, AND I PRAY YOUR SOULS NEVER, DIMINISH. ONE HEART IS ALL, AND WITH THAT HEART WE CAN NEVER FALL, lol i said i was finished, but i dont think HE is as you can tell this words are not mine, THEY COME FROM THE UPPER BEING, yup THE DIVINE!!! i think im going to cut Him short and please Forgive me, because i know HE could go all day, BECAUSE I CAN FEEL HIM IN ME.
1. You know nothing of marketing or writing or the internet or entertaining an audience. Only those in total utter lost agreement with you will bother reading through this jibberisn. That is not the point of debate.
break up your paragraphs.
highlight the important parts if it drags on... and on and on and on etc.
Notice how I, since this is a social site and I know attention is short,
even break up my sentences into paragraphs.
2. Now, you may think point 1 was a completely off-subject point. It was not though. Here is why and it is going to be difficult because it is called third-tier thinking,
I mention that you do not take into account your audience A. because you don't, B. because you are self-absorbed.
You assume because you felt a particular thing, everyone else would, in similar circumstance or not, feel a similar thing.
The fact is, what any one given person feels at any given time is a combination of born-synapsis and brain function, childhood, learning, weather, past experiences, rearing, chemical balance, the last time they were laid, what's on tv, the lighting, and last time they took a shit.
You though, think everyone is paying attention to you.
You also think everyone, if they just hear you, will think like you.
This is not the behaviour of a rational person.
When you realize that not everyone is as into you as you are, you may begin to scratch the surface of how others think not through your own narrow spectrum.
Now shush. You're thinking it's not about you it's about god. But the god you describe certainly doesn't need you to announce his existance. He'd choose a Mark Twain. You're no Mark Twain so this rant is about you not your god.
This is why logic, not feelings, are used in debate. No two people feel the same. Logic though is unchanging. It's capital T truth if you know what that means... I'm almost positive you don't but look it up.
3. I'm not reading this nonsense. On the other hand it is not fair to pick and choose the silliest of your rant and rip it to piecs. I'm going to close my eyes, highlight a random section, find where the thought begins and ends, and argue that one point. Here I go...
Here's what we have:
He is the one who Should Be Sought, out so we can drank From His Spout, cuz the Lord Knows, man it has been a drought. we are all so thirsty, but in order to be filled its The Lord who must come firsty x) just know that me and Him are going Stooopid, and for those who are real maaan i thoughtchu knew it.
I got the middle somewhere and just went to the beginning and end of the thought... if you can call it that.
Okay, you think you're a rap artist or something. 1. you're not. 2. you suck at it so stop.
You don't say "why" he should be sought, just that he should. I can say any dumb thing and say something "should" be done, sought or whatever, about what was mentioned.
You assume everyone is "thirsty" again very self-absorbed. Not everyone is thirsty.
The rest is just jibberish. What did you think anyone "knew"
We can think of no reward, material or spiritual, which would motivate us to spend our life in servitude to any being, whether it be divine or otherwise. It strikes us as preposterous that:
A) An all loving deity should punish trespass with eternal damnation.
B) That a good Father would deny eternal happiness to all but his favourite children.
C) That an omnipotent being should benefit from worship.
D) That an omniscient being should require proof of merit.
E) That the deity in question could possibly exist.
god gave satan the world for a while because he loves and forgives everyone including satan therefore the world is messed up because of satan since he controlls the world plus real christians can take tribulation
I live for myself. This is my life. I only have one. I am not going to spend my life for someone who might not even exist.
Even if God were to exist, giving him our lives is such a waste. While children are struggling to keep their lives, some are here giving it (for free) to God who doesn't even need it. God can get everything he wants with magic, right? So, why do we have to give him our most precious gift?
I'm sorry for all those who dissagree, but MY OWN OPINION! is that nobody can walk on water, inpregnate someone withought fucking, turn water into wine, cure people by touching them and all of that other bull shitt.
now what the hell is that? This is why our economy is so terrible. Cus the majority of people look after only themselves.
No, the economy is so terrible not because of those who are selfish, it is who you feel that they need to help others before themselves; thus, they take from those who are independent and give to those are dependent.
speachless man its the exact opposite. And why you thinking so simple. GREED PRIDE
THE ME FIST PRINCIPLE IS THE CORE OF ALL THE WORLDS PROBLEMS. Give me an example of one war we had that doesnt have anything too do with this. Give me an example of one day where the world is free from this. corrupt goverment= greed. If we want too change anything in the world the first thing you should be looking at is the mirror.
WE as christians dont try and dictate others we are focused on savation and healing. If you beleive you have no sole and no spirit then knowledge is pointless reason is pointless everything is worthless. JC is where its at. JESUS CHRIST. Every time i hear the majority of arguments against purpose of living it kills me insdide! Because im not from this planet im a f a n a t i c! yo
Why live life for the god of a religion that's irrelevant to me nor has anything to do with me? I live for myself and humanity as a whole. Not your imaginary deity.
I have no need to live my life for the christian god. Pastafarianism is where it's at! I serve the almighty flying Spaghetti Monster. May his Noodleness be praised!
The minimum length for an argument is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.
Why do the religious assume that one must be selfish if they are not buying into a particular religion?
I have a proposition,
since this god character is all powerful already, he hardly needs anyone "living for him"
So then, if one has the strong desire to live for something other than themselves, why not say, pick a charity and live for that? - this instead of living for something that there is no proof of.
If this god character is real and all powerful and good (which by the way is nowhere near as any "holy" text describes the person) he likely would enjoy that far more than all this silly praying the religious do. Plus in the chance this person was, I don't know just made up by people because they don't want to really die, at least they are doing some good in the meantime.
stop grouping religions into one whole im sick of that man. If you want to talk about religion talk about specifics. Im a christian i beleive in one God one savior one key. Everythin else that is not saved and clensed by the trinity S F H is not saved. WE all fall short of the glory of God.
Name a religion which does not suggest one live for whichever god, and next time this debate comes up, I will be sure to disclude that specific religion in my reply.
As it is though, as you describe, you believe living for a god is a worthy cause. I disagree.
why is it im often triple or double teamed all the time. because this webcite is over run by atheists. I dont have one person backing me up on anything.
why is it im often triple or double teamed all the time. because this webcite is over run by atheists. I dont have one person backing me up on anything.
Because each generation is becoming more irreligious in the west, and the internet helps people of similar mindsets find each other.
It may also be because debating is an academic endeavour and this attracts smarter people, who also tend to be less religious. Since your statements are often wrong on matters of religion, this attracts these people.
I'll NEVER submit myself to be shackled to holy chains. The HUMAN BEING and the HUMAN SOUL are DIVINE. We are our own Gods. Like other fellow debaters said, why is it so hard for humans to take credit for their own accomplishments and failures?? Why should we be born into this world and not further our selves and souls to their highest potential? My ancestors were from Germany(Teutonic), Switzerland(Celtic), Finland(Saami), Italy(Italic), and Ireland(Celtic/Gaelic). They were not Hebrew nor were they Jewish. Their "father" was not Abraham, nor was their "god" Yahweh and part of the Old Testament. So therefore, why should I follow and submit myself to a religion that reeks of Jewish beliefs, when my ancestors probably died fighting for theirs?
God gave humans free will to pursue our interests and not his. But all he wanted in return is to acknowledge that he exists and that you love him. I think that is what God wants human to realise before pursuing their dreams.
I feel like people rely on god too much to solve their problems, or rather, they turn to him whenever something bad happens, and they praise him for the 'strength' he gives. Awful way to go about things. Is it so wrong to be proud of yourself for your accomplishments? Is it so hard to believe that something bad is happening to you by chance or circumstance? Or that when you screw up and have to suffer for it that you're asking for it?
To believe that we must rely on a divine being for our strength is just downright dirty. We should put faith in ourselves and be proud of who and what we are. You should spend your life seeking to see what you can make of yourself, not crediting other sources for your power. There doesn't need to be a god in the equation at all.
think about it man did we choose too live on this planet? did we choose to be born. No. We cant control the future. We must humble our selves and look at the big picture here. Purpose.
its not ambiguous its fact. WE have no control over our future. We had no decision whats so ever on being born. This is not aiguous this is fact. Now tell me why is this so?Aetheists are so rapped around individual power. What enables us to have reason why dont we start with that.
its not ambiguous its fact. WE have no control over our future. We had no decision whats so ever on being born. This is not aiguous this is fact. Now tell me why is this so?Aetheists are so rapped around individual power. What enables us to have reason why dont we start with that.
We are born, once we born we begin to have control over ourselves. We reason with our minds.
What makes us humans stand out in this world is our ability to reason, abstract reason, logic, language. Now as complicated as this is I feel inclined to ask you what purpose does this serve other than the superior will too surivive? Do we simply pass on our hand prints to the next generation for them to learn from? Our effort, our work, our will, simply vanishes into the unknown? I do not beleive this too be true. We cannot live without purpose. We cannot go on living just by what we see with our own eyes. Because life gave us eyes to see in the first place. Can you not see the flaws in our race. It is never ending. WE are imperfect. Good and evil is not man made it is set in stone. IT is indestructable. You can deny its very existance all you want and call it our own but deep down you know that is only a lie.
What makes us humans stand out in this world is our ability to reason, abstract reason, logic, language.
This is correct.
Now as complicated as this is I feel inclined to ask you what purpose does this serve other than the superior will too surivive?
Survival is the basis of fitness in evolution, and a number of those traits are conducive towards survival. Our modern usage of these traits in an example of emergence, where the parts of the brain evolved for simpler tasks like foraging, hunting and socialising have worked together to produce something infinitely greater.
Do we simply pass on our hand prints to the next generation for them to learn from?
This is the basis of culture, yes.
Our effort, our work, our will, simply vanishes into the unknown?
Eventually it will. We will not be around to see that day, however, but every species becomes extinct at some point. Even our universe is fated to "die" in the sense of tearing apart all matter into electromagnetic radiation in a cold void.
I do not beleive this too be true. We cannot live without purpose.
This is true, we need a purpose to survive in the world.
We cannot go on living just by what we see with our own eyes. Because life gave us eyes to see in the first place.
That is why we have, for example, science which gives us the tools to see more than what our mere eyes perceive.
We create our own purpose. Each one of us have a man-made purpose, even those who believe in god and presume to live under his direction, are living by man-made systems purposes.
Is there not beauty in this simple, elegant fact?
Can you not see the flaws in our race. It is never ending. WE are imperfect.
We are imperfect because we were never a solution to the problem of a perfect society and peaceful race. We are a solution to the problem of how to replicate genetic code in harsh, variable landscapes. We are the answer to a question that was never asked, but was merely brought into being by the emergence of simpler phenomena.
Good and evil is not man made it is set in stone. IT is indestructable. You can deny its very existance all you want and call it our own but deep down you know that is only a lie.
I don't comprehend good and evil except as human inventions, abstractions used to divide an aspect of reality into dichotomy.
You wright well ill give you that. Well what it comes too is matter of beleif. You probably know who I beleive in. Jesus christ. What seperates us at this point and for most atheists i talk too is this. I beleive we have a spirit you dont. You beleive in science and that it will answer all our questions. I dont. I take the more humble approach that we were created by love in which we rebelled against for our own desire too be glorified. How do you think we boosted so fast in medical science for human beings? Well Ill give you one example. WW11. The germans and the Japanese were using real humans too test on. They killed millions of people just so they can use them too experiment on. In doing so they unlocked many cures for human beings. The president new about this yet he did not destroy the information even though it was uncovered by EVIL DEEDS. Why? Money, and the excuse that we didnt want all those lives too go too waist for this information. Now thats what I call a clear example of evil. Why is this so hard for aetheists too swallow? Because apparantly evil doesnt exist!
Well what it comes too is matter of beleif. You probably know who I beleive in. Jesus christ. What seperates us at this point and for most atheists i talk too is this.
When you enter a debate, you are expected to defend your beliefs or drop them. You cannot merely leave everyone to their beliefs because it defeats the purpose of argumentation, which is self-examination.
I beleive we have a spirit you dont.
For example, if you say you believe in a spirit, then you must defend that assertion.
You beleive in science and that it will answer all our questions. I dont.
I never said that science has the power to answer all questions. I said that it is effective at answering certain kinds of questions, principally those which deal with nature and the objective.
I take the more humble approach that we were created by love in which we rebelled against for our own desire too be glorified.
That is not humble. Humbleness is the practice of accepting your inability to know certain things, accepting your ignorance on certain matters instead of asserting knowledge. Humbleness is not claiming to know something which no one can know.
For example, you just assert that we were created by love in the face of contradicting evidence, and that we rebelled again in the face of contradictory evidence. This is not humble, but arrogant. You are claiming to know better than educated experts and their evidence.
How do you think we boosted so fast in medical science for human beings?
We stopped praying for answers and used methodical naturalism.
Well Ill give you one example. WW11. The germans and the Japanese were using real humans too test on. They killed millions of people just so they can use them too experiment on. In doing so they unlocked many cures for human beings.
Those millions of people were religious too. They no-doubt prayed for help but received none. We live in a callous universe.
The president new about this yet he did not destroy the information even though it was uncovered by EVIL DEEDS. Why? Money, and the excuse that we didnt want all those lives too go too waist for this information.
Unless you care to start experimenting on people again you will never have that same quality of data. Would you rather that these people who died for this data have done so in vain? How would you explain to surviving relatives that the only thing which gave purpose to their deaths was destroyed? How would you tell them that the only good which comes from it, the possibility to save others using advances in surgery which came from their deaths, is to be discarded?
Now thats what I call a clear example of evil.
It may be evil to you but if you ask a random hundred people what they think, you will find no clear agreement. This is the point. Evil is subjective, same with goodness. Both are adjectives which merely confer subjective value onto something with no deeper meaning.
Why is this so hard for aetheists too swallow? Because apparantly evil doesnt exist!
Evil exists, as an adjective. Just like "good" and "delicious" and "ugly." Just because none of these adjectives have an objective existence in our reality does not mean that they do not exist. It merely makes them subjective.
Living for god (if god existed) is absurd because if a god need you it ain't a god.But living just for yourself is pointless. you need to have people you care about around you because love is real (i don't mean by that romantic love).I think people should help others too making the world a better place.