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I live for God! I live for myself!
Debate Score:162
Arguments:59
Total Votes:192
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You should spend your life for God

Should you live for god, or should you spend your life doing what you want? Are there riches in heaven, or is heaven a delusion? YOU decide!

I live for God!

Side Score: 27
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I live for myself!

Side Score: 135

i shall bring upon this debate the argument of blase pascal. which simply is that if there is a God and you do bad deeds you go to hell if you do good deeds heaven. Now if there isn't a God then if we do good deeds nothing happens bad deeds nothing happens. So why not just believe and God do good deeds and only good things can happen

Side: I live for God!
aveskde(1935) Disputed
5 points

i shall bring upon this debate the argument of blase pascal. which simply is that if there is a God and you do bad deeds you go to hell if you do good deeds heaven. Now if there isn't a God then if we do good deeds nothing happens bad deeds nothing happens. So why not just believe and God do good deeds and only good things can happen

You answered your question: believe is not necessary to god. Actions are. So you may as well act like there is no god and perform good deeds because it is the right thing to do.

I have a question for you: What if there isn't a god, but a devil. The devil rewards bad deeds with heaven and good deeds with hell. Wouldn't it therefore make sense according to your reasoning to pretend that there is a devil and do bad deeds for the risk of heaven? If there is no devil nothing happens, as long as you don't get caught by police.

Side: I live for myself!
Bohemian(3861) Disputed
3 points

Except according to christian theology, admittance into heaven is achieved only after submission to "the christ". In other words you can do all the good deeds you want and if you still don't accept jesus, you're going to hell.

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But to answer your question as to why we wouldn't "just believe" to play it safe is because belief is shaped by our experiences, and we cannot just spontaneously reverse our way of thinking. For me to believe in the christian God, first I must be convinced that he is real.

Side: I live for myself!
1 point

This question seams self centered in itself. If we are blessed by the holy spirit serving God is an honor. Its a treasure. Jesus christ saved me! i didnt save him. If you beleive in jesus christ you belive his teachings. He said go make diciples Go! Be sons of light! Let my name be heard! This is not debatable if you beleive in the one true God.

Side: I live for God!
1 point

how can you have a deep releationship with God if you do not know him?

Side: I live for God!
1 point

I live for God. I can understand why so many would want to live for themselves, but I am happy in living my life for God; it gives my life so much more meaning than if I lived every day just for me. Furthermore, its the least I can do for Him.

Side: I live for God!
1 point

God Rocks!!!

He lives, He loves, He is, He was, He always will be...

Side: I live for God!
-1 points

One sentence:

God keeps you safe and out of harm, and puts you through suffering so you can be stronger, so following god makes you stronger.

Side: I live for God!
aveskde(1935) Disputed
6 points

God keeps you safe and out of harm, and puts you through suffering so you can be stronger, so following god makes you stronger.

Sounds evil.

Side: I live for myself!
SNOFFLeS(14) Disputed
3 points

haha, that was just to kick start the debate. :3

Anyways, I feel that since I do not believe in god, why follow him? It's a bit like following a dictator who expects everything from you, in return for shallow promises.

Side: I live for myself!
hoegy(308) Disputed
2 points

um excuse me we put ourselves through suffering. This world that we live in is full of suffering. WE cursed the land by choosing to be our own Gods.

Side: I live for myself!
-3 points
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

1. You know nothing of marketing or writing or the internet or entertaining an audience. Only those in total utter lost agreement with you will bother reading through this jibberisn. That is not the point of debate.

break up your paragraphs.

highlight the important parts if it drags on... and on and on and on etc.

Notice how I, since this is a social site and I know attention is short,

even break up my sentences into paragraphs.

2. Now, you may think point 1 was a completely off-subject point. It was not though. Here is why and it is going to be difficult because it is called third-tier thinking,

I mention that you do not take into account your audience A. because you don't, B. because you are self-absorbed.

You assume because you felt a particular thing, everyone else would, in similar circumstance or not, feel a similar thing.

The fact is, what any one given person feels at any given time is a combination of born-synapsis and brain function, childhood, learning, weather, past experiences, rearing, chemical balance, the last time they were laid, what's on tv, the lighting, and last time they took a shit.

You though, think everyone is paying attention to you.

You also think everyone, if they just hear you, will think like you.

This is not the behaviour of a rational person.

When you realize that not everyone is as into you as you are, you may begin to scratch the surface of how others think not through your own narrow spectrum.

Now shush. You're thinking it's not about you it's about god. But the god you describe certainly doesn't need you to announce his existance. He'd choose a Mark Twain. You're no Mark Twain so this rant is about you not your god.

This is why logic, not feelings, are used in debate. No two people feel the same. Logic though is unchanging. It's capital T truth if you know what that means... I'm almost positive you don't but look it up.

3. I'm not reading this nonsense. On the other hand it is not fair to pick and choose the silliest of your rant and rip it to piecs. I'm going to close my eyes, highlight a random section, find where the thought begins and ends, and argue that one point. Here I go...

Here's what we have:

He is the one who Should Be Sought, out so we can drank From His Spout, cuz the Lord Knows, man it has been a drought. we are all so thirsty, but in order to be filled its The Lord who must come firsty x) just know that me and Him are going Stooopid, and for those who are real maaan i thoughtchu knew it.

I got the middle somewhere and just went to the beginning and end of the thought... if you can call it that.

Okay, you think you're a rap artist or something. 1. you're not. 2. you suck at it so stop.

You don't say "why" he should be sought, just that he should. I can say any dumb thing and say something "should" be done, sought or whatever, about what was mentioned.

You assume everyone is "thirsty" again very self-absorbed. Not everyone is thirsty.

The rest is just jibberish. What did you think anyone "knew"

You're not very smart are you?

Side: I live for myself!

We can think of no reward, material or spiritual, which would motivate us to spend our life in servitude to any being, whether it be divine or otherwise. It strikes us as preposterous that:

A) An all loving deity should punish trespass with eternal damnation.

B) That a good Father would deny eternal happiness to all but his favourite children.

C) That an omnipotent being should benefit from worship.

D) That an omniscient being should require proof of merit.

E) That the deity in question could possibly exist.

Side: I live for myself!
2 points

No shit. I will live for myself and later in Hell will serve the creator.

Side: I live for myself!
1 point

god gave satan the world for a while because he loves and forgives everyone including satan therefore the world is messed up because of satan since he controlls the world plus real christians can take tribulation

Side: I live for God!
5 points

Living for oneself gives certain pleasure, but living for god gives uncertain pleasure, ergo.

Side: I live for myself!
5 points

I live for myself. This is my life. I only have one. I am not going to spend my life for someone who might not even exist.

Even if God were to exist, giving him our lives is such a waste. While children are struggling to keep their lives, some are here giving it (for free) to God who doesn't even need it. God can get everything he wants with magic, right? So, why do we have to give him our most precious gift?

Side: I live for myself!
5 points

I'm sorry for all those who dissagree, but MY OWN OPINION! is that nobody can walk on water, inpregnate someone withought fucking, turn water into wine, cure people by touching them and all of that other bull shitt.

Side: I live for myself!

I live for myself and golf.-------------------------------------------

Side: I live for myself!
hoegy(308) Disputed
1 point

now what the hell is that? This is why our economy is so terrible. Cus the majority of people look after only themselves.

Side: I live for God!
3 points

now what the hell is that? This is why our economy is so terrible. Cus the majority of people look after only themselves.

No, the economy is so terrible not because of those who are selfish, it is who you feel that they need to help others before themselves; thus, they take from those who are independent and give to those are dependent.

Side: I live for myself!
1 point

WE as christians dont try and dictate others we are focused on savation and healing. If you beleive you have no sole and no spirit then knowledge is pointless reason is pointless everything is worthless. JC is where its at. JESUS CHRIST. Every time i hear the majority of arguments against purpose of living it kills me insdide! Because im not from this planet im a f a n a t i c! yo

Side: I live for God!
4 points

Why live life for the god of a religion that's irrelevant to me nor has anything to do with me? I live for myself and humanity as a whole. Not your imaginary deity.

Side: I live for myself!
4 points

I have no need to live my life for the christian god. Pastafarianism is where it's at! I serve the almighty flying Spaghetti Monster. May his Noodleness be praised!

Side: I live for myself!
4 points

You should spend your life for God

No thank you!

The minimum length for an argument is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.

Side: I live for myself!
4 points

Why do the religious assume that one must be selfish if they are not buying into a particular religion?

I have a proposition,

since this god character is all powerful already, he hardly needs anyone "living for him"

So then, if one has the strong desire to live for something other than themselves, why not say, pick a charity and live for that? - this instead of living for something that there is no proof of.

If this god character is real and all powerful and good (which by the way is nowhere near as any "holy" text describes the person) he likely would enjoy that far more than all this silly praying the religious do. Plus in the chance this person was, I don't know just made up by people because they don't want to really die, at least they are doing some good in the meantime.

Side: how about spending it on something real
hoegy(308) Disputed
2 points

stop grouping religions into one whole im sick of that man. If you want to talk about religion talk about specifics. Im a christian i beleive in one God one savior one key. Everythin else that is not saved and clensed by the trinity S F H is not saved. WE all fall short of the glory of God.

Side: I live for God!
DaWolfman(3321) Disputed
2 points

If you want to talk about religion talk about specifics.

He is grouping as not all the ignorant happen to fall under your specific group of ignorance.

Side: how about spending it on something real
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
2 points

Name a religion which does not suggest one live for whichever god, and next time this debate comes up, I will be sure to disclude that specific religion in my reply.

As it is though, as you describe, you believe living for a god is a worthy cause. I disagree.

Side: how about spending it on something real
4 points

Believing in god is optional, so I don't think we 'should' spend my life for God...

Side: I live for myself!
4 points

I'll NEVER submit myself to be shackled to holy chains. The HUMAN BEING and the HUMAN SOUL are DIVINE. We are our own Gods. Like other fellow debaters said, why is it so hard for humans to take credit for their own accomplishments and failures?? Why should we be born into this world and not further our selves and souls to their highest potential? My ancestors were from Germany(Teutonic), Switzerland(Celtic), Finland(Saami), Italy(Italic), and Ireland(Celtic/Gaelic). They were not Hebrew nor were they Jewish. Their "father" was not Abraham, nor was their "god" Yahweh and part of the Old Testament. So therefore, why should I follow and submit myself to a religion that reeks of Jewish beliefs, when my ancestors probably died fighting for theirs?

Side: I live for myself!
hoegy(308) Disputed
2 points

This is why our world is in utter caos! This is the very rootof our sin PRIDE!

Side: I live for God!
6 points

This is why our world is in utter caos!

We actually live in relatively stable times. Epochs when religion was more widely accepted in western society were far more violent.

his is the very rootof our sin PRIDE!

Why should humanity not be proud?

Side: I live for myself!
4 points

God gave humans free will to pursue our interests and not his. But all he wanted in return is to acknowledge that he exists and that you love him. I think that is what God wants human to realise before pursuing their dreams.

Side: I live for myself!
3 points

I feel like people rely on god too much to solve their problems, or rather, they turn to him whenever something bad happens, and they praise him for the 'strength' he gives. Awful way to go about things. Is it so wrong to be proud of yourself for your accomplishments? Is it so hard to believe that something bad is happening to you by chance or circumstance? Or that when you screw up and have to suffer for it that you're asking for it?

To believe that we must rely on a divine being for our strength is just downright dirty. We should put faith in ourselves and be proud of who and what we are. You should spend your life seeking to see what you can make of yourself, not crediting other sources for your power. There doesn't need to be a god in the equation at all.

Side: I live for myself!
4 points

Man guys, I feel extremely handsome right now. Why do I feel so handsome?

Side: I live for myself!
4 points

Well your jowls look especially doughy today. Maybe that's it.

Side: I live for myself!
hoegy(308) Disputed
0 points

think about it man did we choose too live on this planet? did we choose to be born. No. We cant control the future. We must humble our selves and look at the big picture here. Purpose.

Side: I live for God!
Warlin(1212) Disputed
3 points

That is a very trite and ambiguous statement, and it means absolutely nothing. Good shot, though.

Side: I live for myself!
3 points

Seeing as I'm a tight fished cunt I don't like 2 spend regardless..

But it it came 2 it I would rather masturbate n please myself than get on my knees n pleaseure someone else......

Side: I live for myself!
3 points

PirateLord is my name. Life is my game. Time to play. Let the game begin.

Side: I live for myself!
3 points

"Let the game begin."

XD. Jigsaw reference. "I want to play a game."

Side: I live for myself!
2 points

I will live my life how I solely choose. The god of an overall irrelevant religion has no say or dictation.

Side: I live for myself!
1 point

Living for god (if god existed) is absurd because if a god need you it ain't a god.But living just for yourself is pointless. you need to have people you care about around you because love is real (i don't mean by that romantic love).I think people should help others too making the world a better place.

Side: I live for myself!

Who would live for this sick fuck?

1 - Genesis 6:7 - God floods the earth

2 - Genesis 19:24 - Destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah

3 - Exodus 12:29 - Killed every innocent Egyptian firstborn

4 - Deuteronomy 3:22, Judges 20:18 - 21, 2Samuel 22:35, 1Chronicles 5:18-22 - God commands and assists in wars

5 - Leviticus 20:13 - Commands death to gays

6 - Exodus 22:18 - Commands death to witches

7 - Leviticus 25:44-46 - condones slavery

8 - Numbers 31: 1-54 - condones rape and pedophilia

9 - Genesis 3:16 - condones sexism

Side: I live for myself!
1 point

mathew 1:1 god sends his son to the earth to save us

jesus is god and jesus died for us be grateful p.s god bless you

Side: I live for God!
1 point

Which god?

Side: I live for myself!