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Debate Score:50
Arguments:54
Total Votes:52
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Your lack of knowledge is Satan's win.

"People perish because of lack of knowledge" ~ Book of Hosea.

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1 point

Sure! People perish because of lack of knowledge... but Satan doesn't win because Satan is fake.

Side: Agree
Emerald(105) Disputed
2 points

Satan is real ... and he wins when we are ignorant of his devices. Infact, he is working very hard to win many people over to his side because he knows that his time is limited. Check your Bible.

So does that make Satan fake?

Side: Disagree
Emerald(105) Clarified
1 point

Hellno, I agree with your first statement ... however, I disagree with the second :)

Side: Agree
Hellno(17758) Disputed
1 point

Check my Bible? I don't have one but are you saying that the Bible is proof Satan exists? LOL

Side: Agree
1 point

I agree with Hellno, as misconceptions can severely damage relationships, cause you to lose your business, fail you in an exam and make you sound like a general dimwit.

But I don't think Satan is bothered about that.

Side: Agree
2 points

If Satan wins when people stop believing in the Christian god, a lack of knowledge would be Satan's loss. As we gain more knowledge about reality, we learn both that the Bible doesn't represent truth and that a god is not only unneeded, but we have yet for find evidence of his existence.

Lack of knowledge is the Christian god's win, not Satan's.

Side: Disagree
1 point

LISTEN TO THE GINGER, HE HAS NO SOUL!

Well he did, but he sold it at a decent price to Satan so it's all fair enough. :)

Side: Disagree
Emerald(105) Disputed
1 point

"If Satan wins when people stop believing in the Christian god, a lack of knowledge would be Satan's loss."

... what you just stated up there (in other words) is that, if Satan wins when people lack knowledge (stop believing in a Christian god is the result of lack of knowledge, one has to lack knowledge in order to stop believing), a lack of knowledge would be Satan's loss ....

Didn't you just contradicted yourself? You said one thing in your first statement (before the coma) and then you said another thing again (after the coma).

Definitely a lack of knowledge is Satan's win, and not the other way around :)

Side: Agree
Stryker(849) Disputed
1 point

what you just stated up there (in other words) is that, if Satan wins when people lack knowledge

I never said Satan wins when people lack knowledge, I said it's Satan's loss when people lack knowledge.

one has to lack knowledge in order to stop believing

False. Did we lose knowledge when we learned Zues doesn't throw lightning from Mt. Olympus? No, we learned that what we thought was knowledge was nothing more than a story to explain what we didn't understand.

As we gain knowledge about reality, what we accepted as true because we didn't have an explanation goes away, but that as never knowledge, so we lost nothing.

Please don't take my statements, put them in your words, add in your own opinion, and accuse me of contradicting myself.

Side: Disagree

No, a lack of knowledge is the only reason people are religious nowadays .

Side: Disagree
1 point

I couldn't disagree more ... one way or another, you are correct. I think you have a point there.

Side: Disagree
BookBird101(575) Disputed
1 point

We're all knowledgeable, just in different ways. I don't think either side is lacking knowledge.

Side: Agree
AveSatanas(4425) Disputed
2 points

You have to value the knowledge. Not all knowledge has equal value. For instance, scientists have strong knowledge in all the disciplines of the scientific method and especially in their field of study. This knowledge is extremely valuable. However, then you have the guy whos read the Cat In The Hat 487 times and knows every thing there is to know about Dr. Seuss. Well that's knowledge too, but it has absolutely no value. It doesnt benefit anyone.

So when we get into religion, you have non-religious people who, statistically, have higher IQs on tests that test for science and math skills which is valuable knowledge. and then you have religious people who's "knowledge" is only of their religion or holy book which is most likely false and is only beneficial to the people of their religion. Its non-valuable knowledge.

So in the end you cant just say "oh you guys have knowledge A and we have knowledge B so ahaha were both smart" No. Because A does not equal B.

Side: Disagree
Emerald(105) Clarified
1 point

What AveSatanas meant (and I agree with him) is that many people overlook simple biblical truths such as "showing compassion" for example. They lack that knowledge (plain ignorance) and as a result, they do not talk to people who have back slidden in their faith. They keep their distance and have nothing to do with them (those who have backslidden). In that sense, you can say that they are too religious.

I hope I am saying what you are thinking, AveSatanas?

Side: Agree

Assuming Satan exists, just not knowing isn't likely to destroy you. Wasn't their a bible quote that said "The meek shall inherit the earth" if anything it would be the other way around. Yet to the purpose of Satan winning over anyone, I think it's less a lack of knowledge, and more a lack of will.

Side: Disagree
lupusFati(790) Clarified
2 points

Being meek has nothing to do with plain ignorance, for starters.

Side: Agree
Emerald(105) Clarified
2 points

There is a big difference between being meek and being ignorant. The Bible is for the meek but against ignorance.

Now, when it comes to comparison of the level of knowledge between the two, the meek simply obey if they know it is the right thing to do. Even if they know so much, they can easily let go of what they have been holding on and obey what they discover is true knowledge. That is not "lack of knowledge" and that is also more of their will. I believe the Bible identify people like these as meek.

Ignorant people on the other hand are those who know something to be true but choose (again more of their will) not to obey it. They are full of knowledge and they cannot let that knowledge go easily inorder to cling to the truth (true knowledge that can set them free). It's impossible for them to do that. I believe the Bible calls these people as ignorant people.

It is this ignorance that Satan capitalizes on to keep one in the dark so long as that person is still ignorant of the true knowledge. That's how he wins ... by keeping one person in the dark so that he/she does not know the truth and come to light inorder to be free.

Side: Agree
1 point

There is nothing wrong with seeking wisdom. .

Side: Disagree
1 point

Satan is the reason for all knowledge according to the "good" book. God created the tree of wisdom and wouldn't let humans partake in its fruit. Satan came along and convinced Eve to eat. All knowledge is Satan's win.

Side: Disagree
Emerald(105) Disputed
1 point

No. Your lack of knowledge is satan's win.

If you are knowledgeable about something, how can satan defeat you? You will overcome his temptations :)

Side: Agree
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

That's really dumb. If knowledge defeats Satan, why did Satan trick Eve into getting knowledge? Why make it harder on himself?

Side: Disagree