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Well as in Hindu (Dharmic) religions, I do not remember the reference quite right now, but it is said,"That God is one and only." as is the point of view in those Abrahamic Religions (Islam, Christianity, Judaism) and
In Hinduism, they believe in MANY GODS,even if they WERE PERFECT , there would surely develop incompatibility amongst them, if not for anything, even then, for being PERFECT, there would be present a difference of views in them, thus which surely will lead to non-cooperative behavior, and if GODS were to have such behavior, World and Universe which is supposed to be in their hands will surely have problems in being run, it will be like a Political Ground not GODS' LORDLY throne, hence I deem that world would not be able to achieve stability which it has, to some extent though,
Hence my point of view is that, Abrahamic Religions are much more appealing than Dharmic ones,
His lecture on Similarities between Hinduism and Islam, He has given EXACT references from Vedas
(held as the most holiest scriptures in Dharmic religion) ,
And as for brainwashing, I prefer to study both sides, and then comment, I have read on both religions, simply did not had time to concern this debate as much as you do, I prefer to bring people from different religion on a common concept first, I do not prefer to start a fight blindly. for In quran, we are told use ,"Come to common terms that are between us," behavior.
And if there is one ALMIGHTY GOD,
WELL IF IT IS ALMIGHTY , why does he need INCARNATIONS? Can the creator not understand Creations? Does he have to keep a destroyer seprate? Can The Almighty not handle all the problems in one Form, Why does the ALMIGHTY need INCARNATIONS? only if he were not ALMIGHTY, but if he were not ALMIGHTY and UNIQUE well then, that one can not be GOD,
once again, hear Lecture of Dr. Zakir Naik for references from Vedas, he has studied all Hindu scriptures as well ass muslim's one,
And as for your behavior, well who is brainwashed? the one who uses courteous language or the one who can not even keep the dirt of his mind in his mind? PLEASE! I do mind the use of abusive language, Do not think that I can not use such words, having more knowledge of the language that you are using, but when you are debating for a religion, do keep a good code of conduct, and use courteous language.
Keep in mind Zakir Naik does have his own agenda of conversion and often takes Hindu scriptures out of their contexts and disgracefully mistranslates them. For example in his claim that Muhammed is the Kalki Avatar prophecy mentioned in the scriptures, he chose to use the word companions instead of brother, angels instead of devtas (demi gods) and ignores the mentions of Lord Brahma. It is like ignoring the Angel Gabreil, Mount Hira and the Shaitan in the story of Muhammed and claiming Lord Ganesh and Mother Parvati were present there. If you noticed on this occasion he chose not to quote it word by word but summarised instead, I wonder why?
The God of Hinduism is a Universal Spirit, that has no form and no gender. You must understand that Hinduism is nor Monotheistic nor Polythiestic but Pluralistic, meaning that there are many ways of seeing the one Universal Spirit. Hindus acknowledge the potential existence of multiple, legitimate religious and spiritual paths, and the idea that the path best suited for one person may not be the same for another. The Rig Veda, one of Hinduism’s sacred texts, states Ekam sat vipraha bahudha vadanti, or “The Truth is one, the wise call It by many names.”
The reason Hinduism depicts God with form is based on an acknowledgement that the average human mind finds it near impossible to mediate upon or develop a personal relationship with a Divine that is formless. In fact the word that we give to statues is "murti" in sanskrit it means an image that leads you to God, so the image itself is not god but you can use it to meditate and build a relationship with the Divine.
The reason muslims do not use images is because you're perception of God is that he's physicial, there are various descriptions in the Quran that Alla'h is a physical being, one verse even mentions that he wears a viel because the human mind cannot cope with such beauty.
I urge you please do not rely on second hand information no matter how much they have studied, seek knowledge yourself.
HAHAHAHA Dr. Zakir Naik? I've read a couple of his books too. He's got mediocre arguments at best - college level understanding of the arguments. You've read on both religions? from innaccurate, bias muslims websites. If you learnt from neutral or hindu sources you would've been painted a completely different picture.
God does not NEED incarnations. I guess incarnation was the wrong word and manifestation is better. It's a stupid argument to say how God cannot handle all problems...lol. What problems do you mean? Starvation? Poverty? Rape? Manifestations of God aren't to relieve Him of Duties. You've got the completely wrong idea.
I don't know why I get so wound up everytime I see brainwashed muslims. Maybe it's because a few of my friends have been sucked into it. I'll stop the cussing if you stop the bullshitting and give ACCURATE and UN-BIAS information on Hinduism
You're completely right, but the pluralism of Hinduism allows a Hindu to interpret God and that's why the west is so drawn towards this tolerant ideology. The God of Hinduism is a Universal Spirit that is present in all living beings and Hindus see this divine within nature as well and this Spirit is not sat on a giant throne unlike in monotheistic religions. You're idea of Brahman is shifting towards polythiesm, in Hinduism God taught humanity morals itself instead of sending messengers and angels unlike in monotheism. The Universal Spirit had manifested in various forms in which even the forms can teach us lessons, God manifests as not only males but females (gender equality) and God manifests as animals as well as humans (equality of the species, and that we are our souls and not our bodies). That is not to say that there is this Brahman and many manifestations out there, these manifestations or deities are our way of understanding the divine.
Please click on this link, it explains the misconceptions greatly!
i think that abrahamic religions are divided into different religions , with islam being the true one , there is seriously no doubt in abrahamic religions .
"I think that abrahamic religions are divided into different religions , with islam being the true one , there is seriously no doubt in abrahamic religions"
1. How do you know that Islam, out of the "Abrahamic religions" is true?. Truth and belief are two different things. We can believe everything is true, but we cannot make everything true. I think, it is important to know the difference.
2. While religion requires faith, religion is not only about faith.
3. Facts are also central to all religions because all religious worldviews make truth claims.
a. Granted, not all religious claims are open to scientific or historic investigation. Nevertheles, the validity of many religious beliefs can be checked out. Some beliefs are reasonable-they can be proven with a high degree of cetainty-while others are clearly unreasonable.
Therefore, since you made a "truth claim", than you have to provide evidence in order to be evaluated and investigated.
1. Are you serious??? What do you mean? First of all, you made the "truth claim" and therefore, anyone should be able to examine and investigate facts that supports that claim. There is no worldview that does not make truth claims. What is the point of creating the debate if you make a truth claim and chickened out from presenting the facts? You posted it, and so I am challenging you to show me facts.
"but what facts do you have to prove jewish and christianity are true ?"
1. I challenged your truth claim. I would cross-examine it and counter it.
1. Are you serious??? What do you mean? First of all, you made the "truth claim" and therefore, anyone should be able to examine and investigate facts that supports that claim. There is no worldview that does not make truth claims. What is the point of creating the debate if you make a truth claim and chickened out from presenting the facts? You posted it, and so I am challenging you to show me facts.
"but what facts do you have to prove jewish and christianity are true ?"
1. I challenged your truth claim. I would cross-examine it and counter it.
when rome was about to lose a battle against persians , in surah rome it was said that romans will win , and they didwhen the whole world thought tht rome is defeated for Persians had reached Jerusalem but then Romans did come out victorious in the end
look at this photo , a proof that the moon was torn apart in 2 by prophet mohammad (S.A.) who was the greatest person ever ,and that is islamic proof !
most of all , you need a clear heart to understand a religion
people like you , who dont have facts themselves to prove their statements , can never understand a religion , you cmoe on to fight when it comes to religion , but know nothing about it .
it is not really easy to do that , but where we as true muslims know that god said , " the non muslims' people will be provided miracles and it will make them go even deeper into dis believing" and you think that your god is true ? you think that there can be a hundred gods ? or even 2 ? that is impossible , god is something that can not ever be matched , and you match it with another eternal force that cannot be defeated , oh my god , havent you taken this man to his end ? that is where you cross the lines , dont you think that if you guys with gods "accident" (an accident by god can not occur , in fact) were created as the worlds biggest religion ? than the answer is that god created a religion that was created "600" years after yours , and yet it is the most followed religion on earth(depends upon if you agree with the true facts)and even that with your religion that has a lot of sect , or may i call religions , in it , seriously you do not follow what has been made by the one and only god
Even the Bible says this in Deuteronomy 18:19. A false prophet would die!!! Yet Prophet Mohammed did not die till he completely conveyed, and taught Allah's religion.
"Even the Bible says this in Deuteronomy 18:19. A false prophet would die!!! Yet Prophet Mohammed did not die till he completely conveyed, and taught Allah's religion"
"And the LORD said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him" (Deuteronomy 18:17-19)
1. You misquoted the verse since it does not state that a false prophet would die. What the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did say to Moses, were these words:
a. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren. (v.17)
b. and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. (v.18)
c. And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him (V.19)
yes , but if he was god , then he would control the world , god doesnt only control a town or a village , but the whole universe in fact , and as you speak about the fact that what you speak of is the last and only true holy prophet Mohammad (S.A.).
"yes , but if he was god , then he would control the world , god doesnt only control a town or a village , but the whole universe in fact , and as you speak about the fact that what you speak of is the last and only true holy prophet Mohammad (S.A.)"
1. As you know, Muhammad was born about A.D. 570 in Mecca, and he was part of a tribe whose duty was to keep the Ka'aba, right? And yet the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob clearly stated that the Prophet had to come from the nation of Israel. It seem that the prophecy was historically inaccurate with the prophecy concerning this prophets' originality. That is, if it is Mohammad. Clearly he was not a Jew and was not born from nation of Israel.
ok he was not a jew , but false prophets means prophets spreading false messages , if he were jew than he would be spreading the right message but he was not and yet was spreading the right message
"ok he was not a jew , but false prophets means prophets spreading false messages , if he were jew than he would be spreading the right message but he was not and yet was spreading the right message"
1. I agree with you that false prophets spread false messages. Than you would have to agree that the prophecy could not have been referring to Muhameed, right? Unless you want to ignore historical facts.
im not referring to anyone as a false prophet , it is your own book tha is referring to false prophet who would die , so none of the muslim prophets i.e. moses , jesus , mohammad etc. were spreading false messages so it none of them died , so it means that islamic prophets are true ! as mohammad knew of the prophets , yet before had he never heard of their names
"im not referring to anyone as a false prophet , it is your own book tha is referring to false prophet who would die , so none of the muslim prophets i.e. moses , jesus , mohammad etc. were spreading false messages so it none of them died , so it means that islamic prophets are true ! as mohammad knew of the prophets , yet before had he never heard of their names"
1. I am interested in what the prophets said. Namely, the ones prior to Mohamaad and Jesus of Nazareth. Now, you are correct that the Bible does refer to the penalty of death for lying prophets who spread lying messages. However, you misquoted the verse (V.19) from Deuteronomy 18 of which the prophet Moses wrote. I think we need to read what the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob said concerning false prophets:
20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)
2. Would you agree than that the prophets before Mohameed and Jesus of Nazareth are not liars?
3. As far as the death penalty, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, made this statement, "when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him"
(Deuteronomy 18:22)
Question: 1. Who was to carry out the death penalty?
1. If you do agree that the prohets prior to Mohameed and Jesus of Nazareth as telling the truth... than you would have to conclude that Moses could not have been speaking about Mohameed since history demonstrates that he was born in Mecca and he was not a Jew. In fact, Jesus of Nazareth said that Moses and the Prophets wrote about Him.
25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself Luke 24:25-27
You're bringing up pictures of trees that spell out words?? I've seen trees and rocks that look like cocks, you want to tell me we should all worship cock?
If you did ANY research on those pictures you'd know they do NOT point to the Holy Kaaba - they're wild claims made by people who know they cannot be disputed.
There's no PROOF that Muhammda tore the moon apart either.
You've been brainwashed. I don't mind you following Islam after being taught it in a true manner but you believe in a bunch of lies.
Islam is the 2nd largest religion in the world. Only a fool would deny these FACTS.
You're telling me Islam doesn't have any sects within itself?
Fucking Bullshit. I've got tons of muslims friends and some of them are like you - they believe in all these lies.
these things that u wrote are part of the proof that islam is right , first of all do u really follow a religion ? if so than which one , i would seriously say that u r a gay , cuz u are worshiping cocks , and as u know that god made adam and eve , not adam and steve , and that makes u against every religion , therefore u know nothing about religion , then why debate ? it is because people like you like to come in wherever you can , u say there is no proof that the oly prophet muhammad sa tore the moon apart , than there is also no proof that there was ever a guy named john or mary or even jesus himself , if you go that way everything would come out as impossible , i believe in lies ? than what do u believe in ? the pope that use a crooked cross as evil ? i would like to stress upon the fact that as u say i believe in lies , than where is the truth ? in worshipping cocks ? no islamic sects ? of course there are huge sects in islam but only 2 major , unlike the christians in which every christian has a new sect for himself .
Lol. Worshipping cocks. You didn't understand my argument did you? I doubt you can read english properly either...
Show me proof that muhammad tore the moon apart. I have never denied Muhammads existance nor that he was a prophet sent by God - only your views on both Islam and Muhammad. I don't agree with any abrahimic religions and if I was to then Judaism is the one I respect the most.
How can you be so sure that Islam is true? Islam is God's pre-planned drama, I don't wanna be a part of that. If God is all knowing and all powerful, why'd he need prophets to preach his religion? You're actually degrading the concept of God.
Conversion doesn't mean that Islam is the best. Islam is an intelligently fabricated fairy tale, with prophets, djinns, angels and some Arabic traditions. Answer me, if Islam is the true religion, why God couldn't establish it from the beginning of time?
hinduism ,technically, is not a religion. It was term quoted by outsiders. Before that "santana dharma" was the faith people believed. It has basic concept of "dharma"(core of hinduism,jainism,buddhism,sikhism).
Dharma has varied meanings refering to duty and righteousness.e.g. it is the dharma of fire to burn, for human being to gain higher conciousness,etc
sanatana dharma means timeless faith i.e. it was,is and will always be there. There is no time of starting of sanatan dharma.
It is the eternal law of nature.
secondly, dharmic religions do not emphasize on Gods(but righteousness) and are pluralistic and inclusive.
For e.g. - one of verses of vedas state " truth is one, but there can be different ways to attain it".
It means even a christian can practice "sanatan dharma" without leaving his/her faith because christianity is a different path for attaining same truth.
Lastly, "sanatan dharma" does not promote proselytism and lays emphasis on equality of all living beings.
That is the reason why most hinduism religions put emphasis on vegetarianism(because it causes harm to other living beings)
and jains do not even eat root vegetables because it leads to killing of that plant.
I think dharmic religions would be a more accurate title.
Well being Hindu myself I would obviously say hinduism (or dharmic) is the right path. Most of this site is Americans so you'll probably get more people polling for abrahimic religions.
One thing - nobody on this site knows much about dharmic religions anyway so it's kind of pointless to ask them much about it. Maybe a couple have scratched the surface but that's about as good as it gets.
Hinduism is arguably the most beautiful religon in modern culture. The Rama-Yan(a) is quite vivid and colorful. Rama has an amazing heroes journey and crushes the rakshasas in glorious battle, ending in "a shower of blossoms". Amazing. The morals of the religion are very similar to all others, promoting family and honor, and also nature. However the books treatment towards women is controversial, as it is in any religion. Sita is casted in fire for Rama's suspicion of her infidelity when no infidelity actually occured and he had no evidence besides his own dought. Beside that, I have no issues with the religion.
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I would recommend it over the majority of abrahamic religions, not neccesarily as a religion, but even just as a wonderous tale... (Not to offend, religion is relative to the individual.)
I agreed with you up till the Sita part. Rama and Sita are one spirit, Ram knew that Sita was innocent and therefore the fire (Lord Agni) would not take her, Sita knew this as well. It was the people of his kingdom and court who doubted Sita, she had spent months in the palace of Ravana, far from her husband. Demons were known for their mistreatment of women, in the eyes of the people it was quite possible that she was raped by Ravana.
As a righteous king, Ram had to listen to the people and serve them, ironically. But that was his teachings, a king who rules by his own will is a tyrant (like ravana), a righteous king is one who serves his people.
Knowing this, he had to prove his wife's innocence, he knew that the fire would not take Sita so that was her conviction.