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are you against or with abortion

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Side Score: 139
7 points

Why would I ever advocate the murder of millions of innocent people for the selfishness of the mother?

Side: against
3 points

what if you raped that girl do you honestly think shes going to keep the baby i mean she don't have to have an abortion she also has a choice by giving it up for adoption

Side: against
1 point

She does have the option to adoption! Why should any person pay for the crimes of his or her father?

On a side note, I'm guessing this is why abortion advocates tend to also be socialists... because they believe in the idea of making someone else pay for other people who are in the wrong (i.e. not working for their pay). Hmmm.... interesting thought.

Side: against
2 points

The potential to become a human does not equal being a human. Therefore, abortion is not always murder.

If the unborn being is able to demonstrate at least one quality of person hood, then it should be considered a person or human. If it cannot, then it should not receive any rights.

Qualities of person hood:

Consciousness

Reasoning

Self Motivated Activity

Capacity to communicate by whatever means

Presence of self concepts

Meet at least one of these, and you're a person or human.

Side: with
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
5 points

If it isn't a human then what is it? A giraffe? Law of Biogenesis advocates it being a human also. It is always murder. If you want to put limitations on what a human is then you are putting your feet in Hitler's shoes. Do you advocate the Holocaust? This is all I'm hearing from abortion advocates... that they think people have the right to kill people because thy don't believe it to be a human. Welcome to selfless America.

Side: against
timber113(796) Disputed
3 points

"Qualities of person hood:

Consciousness

Reasoning

Self Motivated Activity

Capacity to communicate by whatever means

Presence of self concepts

Meet at least one of these, and you're a person or human"

And I guess you sat down and made up all the rules for being a human being yourself. Well guess what, there are many people out their stuck in comas and they are placed on life support. they dont display any human qualities that you speak of but for some reason doctors choose to keep them alive. you nor I can determine when a person is alive or dead. Well guess what, scientists say that babies learn many things in the womb like speech and their mother's voice(languagehttp://www.viewzone.com/babytalk.html). You can check the website in brackets.

I hope you read this and dont skim through it.

"Babies show that they can be shocked by big, unexpected sounds, although they tend to adapt to constant sounds in the environment. Studies show that music enters the womb with little distortion: A few indicate that babies prefer quiet, harmonious music. Loud music may produce strong kicks of protest. An earthquake sound in Italy left a group of unborn babies in a hyperactive state for several hours. Lullabies are always appropriate."

Well look at that they have the capacity to commounicate by whatever means, one of the criteriors to be human

Side: against
1 point

i understand what you are saying but are you with or against abortion

Side: with
1 point

The potential to become a human does not equal being a human. Therefore, abortion is not always murder.

Hydrogen is not water and Oxygen is not water, put them together and you create water. You destroy this, you destroy water.

Sperm is not human and an egg is not human, put them together and you create a human. You destroy this, you destroy a human.

Side: against
3 points

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights article 3 states:

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

You would think that the term ''everyone'' means exactly that - every human being. If we disregard the unborn, who also qualify as the living members of the Homo Sapien species, then clearly we can no longer use them term ''everybody''.

Rather the article should state - Everyone, with the exception of the unborn, has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

It's simple, humans either have the right to life or not - by the very virtue of being human. Once we start to barter and haggle about who has what rights, when and why - we'll be no different from the facists, who decided jews would have no rights or the racists who decided the blacks had no rights or the chauvinists who decided that women were less than man etc etc.

Side: against
Akulakhan(2985) Disputed
1 point

You assume that the unborn are considered persons. The concept of personhood is so widely debated and misunderstood, especially when it comes to the unborn. How do we determine when one is a person? Well, how did you know you were a person? You had a consciousness, you formed concepts and thoughts, you could decide. How do you know you were ever really a person before your first memory, testimonials from your parents? is what one perceives as conscious and living ANY VALID if the thing in question cannot confirm such a statement?

Side: with
VecVeltro(412) Disputed
2 points

I don't assume them to be persons, I assume them to be human beings - members of the Homo Sapien species.

Define personhood.

Side: against
1 point

You're misunderstanding what a human being is. The potential to become a human does not equal being a human.

Side: with
VecVeltro(412) Disputed
2 points

Are you implying that a fetus is not a human being at its earliest stages of development?

Side: against
3 points

Because if I was 'with' abortion I wouldn't be here to answer this, now would I? For that matter, neither would you. :)

Side: against
RavenLily(733) Clarified
2 points

I can't believe some idiot down voted me for my answer... Looks like someone needs to get a 'life' and not take themselves SO seriously.

Side: against
2 points

why cant you use a condom when your having sex then you wouldn't have to worry about child support

Side: against
Akulakhan(2985) Disputed
1 point

Condoms and all other forms of birth control have a fail rate. Shit happens.

Side: with
aquanashia(50) Clarified
1 point

TRUE BUT YOU CAN CONTROL WHAT YOU DO OR NOT DO U HAVE THE CHOICE TO USE A CONDOM OR NOT YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO HAVE SEX OR NOT

Side: against
2 points

Also If a child is born but not particularly wanted there are tens of thousands of people willing to adopt it or foster it or care for the child. Abortion is definately murder

Definition

The unlawful killing of one human by another,

Each individual has a soul which exists prior to birth as previously mention by some wise folk above. People now allow state controlled murder because it suits them to think of unborn babies as "not human". Given a few years and the same people will advocate killing old demented grandpas and Grandmas because they arent acting like humans.

Then what , invalids , blind people, deaf people, oh and Jews of course, and then, Inland Revenue Inspectors, Artists, Comedians, Village Idiots oh and I forgot Village Idiots.

Then of course there is people with low IQ's which will get rid of most of you lot on here. Ah and also Asians , Black People, White People. and of course Poor People and Jews, Geminis, and Sagitarians,Heavy Metal Bands and Rap Singers. need I say more!!!!!!!!!

Side: against
Cuaroc(8827) Disputed
1 point

The unlawful killing of one human by another,

Abortion isn't unlawful if its already legal.

each individual has a soul which exists prior to birth

Proof?

will advocate killing old demented grandpas and Grandmas because they aren't acting like humans.

But they will still have at least one characteristic of life unlike a fetus.

Then what , invalids , blind people, deaf people, oh and Jews of course, and then, Inland Revenue Inspectors, Artists, Comedians, Village Idiots oh and I forgot Village Idiots.

Then of course there is people with low IQ's which will get rid of most of you lot on here. Ah and also Asians , Black People, White People. and of course Poor People and Jews, Geminis, and Sagitarians,Heavy Metal Bands and Rap Singers. need I say more!!!!!!!!!

Same point as above.

Side: with
2 points

I think I'm going to run with the soul thing.

They go straight to heaven, if it exists, by passing the misseries of life, so therefore we're doing them a favour.

sorry to interject on your more realistic point.

Side: with
Cuaroc(8827) Disputed
1 point

Then of course there is people with low IQ's which will get rid of most of you lot on here

Yep you would be one of the first then .

Side: with
Linsdip(111) Disputed
1 point

Didnt you even chuckle what is your argument.....................................

:)

Side: against
2 points

Right after the decision had been made to execute the baby, I just picture God getting down on his knees so to speak, at eye level with the baby, right within earshot where only the baby can hear and whispering........."I'll see you soon. I made you special, and I love you very much. If only she knew that too"

Side: against
2 points

Aborting a baby is absolutely disgusting!!!

y should the baby pay for u being pregnant and not wanting it anymore!!!

do you know how many people are out there dying for a baby???

and if u say the baby is not alive when u abort well that is a fat lie!!!!

cause it is alive go study biology !!!!

for the people that think there is nothing wrong in abortion i will ask u that when someone i about to murder u!!!

is it okay to kill someone?

ill see the answer change!!!

abortion is the same crime as murdering so if u think murdering is okay than

go abort the baby!!!

just remeber 1 thing for life if u chose abortion it doesnt mean ur not a mother it actually means ur a mother of a dead child!!!!!

Side: against
2 points

Abortion leads to adultery. Incase it is with wife and husband, why should they become the cause for conceive?

If anyone is for adultery, then he/she will definitely support this.

Abortion also kills a human. When we kill an adult, it is regarded as killing, and abortion is nothing other than killing.

Side: against

I believe that that we can not simply look at the practice of abortion as a whole and say it is either justifiable or unacceptable. It varies with the situation. In cases of rape, incest, threat to the health of the mother, fatal defect in the child's health, etc. abortion is justifiable.

However in cases where both the mother and child have no medical complication that are life threatening, that the sex that led to the conception was consensual, or if the pregnancy has already progressed on a significant amount of time that an abortion should be considered unlawful.

Supporting Evidence: Moderate Veiw on Abortion (www.wku.edu)
Side: against
1 point

This speaks for itself

This is a list of famously, Great important people who were adopted and significantly contributed in influencing and changing the world. How devastated would the world be if these individuals would have never lived. Thank God their birth mothers did the right thing.

Andy Berlin

Anthony Williams

Aristotle

Art Linkletter

Bo Diddley

Buffy Sainte-Marie

Carl-Theodor Dreyer

Charlotte Anne Lopez

Christina Crawford

Clarissa Pinkola Estes

Crazy Horse

Dan O'Brien

Daunte Culpepper

Dave Thomas

Debbie Harry

D.M.C.

Edgar Allan Poe

Edward Albee

Eleanor Roosevelt

Eric Dickerson

Faith Daniels

Faith Hill

Freddie Bartholomew

George Washington Carver

Greg Louganis

James MacArthur

James Michener

Jean Jacques Rousseau

Jesse Jackson

JESUS

Jett Williams

Jim Palmer

John J. Audubon

John Hancock

John Lennon

Langston Hughes

Larry Ellison

Lee Majors

Leo Tolstoy

Les Brown

Lynnette Cole

Malcolm X

Mark Acre

Matthew Laborteaux

Melissa Gilbert

Michael Reagan

Moses

Nancy Reagan

Nat King Cole

Nelson Mandela

Patrick Labyorteaux

Peter and Kitty Carruthers

President Gerald Ford

President William Clinton

Priscilla Presley

Ray Liotta

Reno

Sarah McLachlan

Scott Hamilton

Sen. Paull H. Shin

Sen. Robert Byrd

Steve Jobs

Surya Bonaly

Tim Green

Tim McGraw

Tom Monaghan

Tommy Davidson

Victoria Rowell

Wilson Riles

I rest my case!!!!

Side: against
2 points

Don't forget Hitler you forgot Hitler .

Side: against
Linsdip(111) Disputed
2 points

Who in their right mind could forget Hitler ................... I didn't

Side: with
2 points

just want to point out that the only reason why Edgar Allen Poe was adopted was because his mother died, not because she gave him up at birth.

Side: against
Migs(22) Disputed
2 points

Now tell me how many were given up at birth, and how many who where born before 1973. also, i noticed there are musical artists and actor? actresses, if your going to make a list of people who did important things in there life, dont put celeberties who dont do anything.

Side: with
modorichie(152) Disputed
1 point

Just a couple off the top of my head

Jesus was Mary's baby and most probably joseph's too

Bill Clintons father died when he was around two, I belive. His mother remarried.

I'd have to checkk the rest.

btw couldn't help notice you mention Socialism is a disparraging manner earlier on. Nothing wrong with that view but you don't want to throw that around here. You might be associated with a vermantly antisocialist politician from the 30s.

Side: with
Linsdip(111) Disputed
1 point

Jesus is the Son of God Mary was a Virgin he was adopted by Joseph

Side: against
1 point

There are no reason to help some one how did something stupid !

Side: against
1 point

A women has the right to her body, not the child inside of her.

Side: against
Justahuman(115) Disputed
1 point

But the child inside her is biologically speaking a parasite. We don't see it that way, but by definition it is. Granted its one she (sometimes) chose. But don't people also choose other things that give them parasites?

Side: with
Migs(22) Disputed
1 point

When they abort the "child" it isn't a child yet. The cell still doesn't know they it's supposed to grow I to a human.

Side: with
1 point

Of course we should think about health and about consequences. It's necessary to think about every detail. Because abortion is big risk in life. In my view we shouldn't do abortion. we should give the life to our children. Because of children is the value of life

Side: against

I am against since it would be unfair for innocent beings to not be given a chance to live. If one`s mother is selfish then that would be unfair for you since she pleasured herself and now she does not want to face the consequences. Therefore it is morally incorrect.

For the side of the raped woman, it is still wrong to abort the child since the man was the one responsible for impregnating the woman. Adoption would be better since the child would still have a chance to live. All life is sacred.

On a medical aspect it is still wrong since it can cause the woman to be barren and have a malfunction in her endocrine and urinary system or maybe even death. Therefore it is a risky procedure.

Side: against
Cambriel(711) Disputed
1 point

Abortion is not just a thing that you do to kill someone,which you call, an innocent being. There is such a thing as self induced abortion and accidental abortion. When you trip of a stairs and you didnt mean to do that and your child died... It is still called abortion. You can ask doctors about that. It's not that a woman doesn't want to face the consequences.. What if you let the child live, and yet, you don't have any food to give them? It still lessens the pain of the mother and the child.. against hunger. Would you let the child starve to death and die painfully, than just killing it when you know that you cannot support it. Yes, that may be morally incorrect, but, is it morally correct to let a person live until adolescence and let it die painfully because of hunger?

Next, adoption. Is it morally right to just give the child to other people because you cannot support it? Yes, maybe a raped woman would be different as to a pleasure seeking girl. Why take the consequence when you didnt even want that to happen in the first place?

Yes, maybe on a medical aspect it is still wrong, but wouldn't you abort if you know that your wife has a heart condition or have an unhealthy self and they could die when they give birth? Besides, it can cause a woman to be barren. Can. But not always. Giving birth is also a risky procedure, especially if you know that you are not healthy. Same as giving birth and abortion. It's either you die or the child dies, Many people are selfish, in fact, most people are. They'd still choose themselves that the baby. Wouldn't they?

Side: with
1 point

Actually, abortion has a higher percentage of deaths than child delivery failures.

As for the accidental abortions, certainly these acts a re negligible.

Lastly, being born poor is treated as a challenge this era wherein the poor, once get inspired, establish their own business empires. Its not your fault if you are born poor, you can still do something about it. Personally I would rather experience pain and sorrow with considerate happiness than to have never experienced it at all.

Side: against
1 point

I am against abortion. But I think, in exceptional cases, there should be abortion. For example, to save the mother.

Side: against
0 points

The choice of whether a pregnant woman should give up the life of her child is totally and completely up to the mother. It is understood how people can be absolutely horrified by the face that an unborn child can be killed but murder is one way to put it. If someone is raped and cannot financially support a new child then it is not fair on them. Those victims were not given a choice to have a life put in their hands and, sometimes they are unable to handle such situations. This mostly happens to teenagers who are raped and end up pregnant. They have to give up their time, sometimes their precious education and study time to look after the baby, or if they really want to give birth to a baby and put it into an orphanage, people can find this sad. It is not really great to grow up not knowing who your parents are or knowing that you were abandoned at a young age and they choose to just relieve the life or these sufferings before it is alive, before it has feeling.

Thankyou

Side: against
6 points

In certain situations, sure. However, if the reason why a girl or woman is pregnant is because of her own foolishness, then she should deal with it.

Side: with
5 points

1. I don't have the right to tell another woman what to do with her body.

2. I support abortion as a contraceptive, we need as few humans in this world as possible right now.

Side: with
2 points

1. I don't have the right to tell another woman what to do with her body.

Biologically the fetus is a separate living organism, the argument is whether it is a person or not.

2. I support abortion as a contraceptive, we need as few humans in this world as possible right now.

A contraceptive would be something that prevents pregnancy, such as a condom, birth control pills or day after pills (which kill the sperm before it reaches the egg) abortion is something that ends pregnancy which would ultimately result in killing the fetus.

Side: against
donolmt(2) Disputed
1 point

The argument is not whether the fetus is a separate living organism or not, but consent. The concept of women having the right of consent is still very brand new in our society (and history itself). It has only been a very few years that the right of consent existed within marriage; until that time, men could rape their wives with impunity.

The fetus, as a potential separate being, has no right to trounce the woman's right to consent. You might argue it is right for her to consent, that it would be selfish for her not to consent or any other argument that you wish to express your opinion that she SHOULD consent, but it is the right of the woman to make that decision.

Any religious argument against abortion has to be rendered constitutionally invalid, because it denies the right to consent to the woman. When we are talking legalities of abortion, two issues stand out:

Who is to give consent for the woman's body to be used as a host for another?

To be considered a citizen in this country you must be natural born or go through the process of becoming a citizen. Since the fetus has done neither, it is not a citizen.

You might be personally abhorrent of abortion, but on a legal level, it must be kept available. And that is what all the arguments are about. A woman can always believe that it would be wrong for her to have an abortion but it should be left to her to decide.

Side: with
Linsdip(111) Disputed
1 point

I go along with that lets start with you since your argument falls down

1) The state tells everyone what they can and cant do - are you so stupid - You cannot Speed, You cannot smoke in a Pub, You can not drink when driving, and you cannot murder people

2) Sounds like you must be a supporter of Hitler he had that idea to, I was gonna see lets legalise killing preople like you but then since your are an alien and not human cant be!!! unfortunately

Side: against
modorichie(152) Disputed
2 points

Point 2 invalid, you played the Hitler card. as per Gudwins law.

Side: with
Cuaroc(8827) Disputed
1 point

Do you happen to be lolzors puppet account ?

Side: with
1 point

And who ever said it's right for the State to dictate us? Authority is not always correct.

Also, it's kind of hard to respect an opinion when 1) the spelling, grammar, and wordage are atrocious, and 2) it is completely absurd. They are an alien because they think humans cause trouble? They do! We are the cause for almost ALL of the worlds problems.

The world is overpopulated and I would have to agree with the person you are disputing; the world could use less humans. I think the planet would be much better off without our entire species altogether.

Abortion is a last resort for those who have made a mistake. They have realized that they cannot care for the child either because they are not mature enough or they just don't want a child. Why should they not have the choice to choose the way they live their life? That is a basic right for all living things.

Side: with
RightWingJ77(17) Disputed
1 point

In a way you are claiming that you are an ignorant eugenist, you believe that humans are exceeding the resources, and thus you support the killing of innocent babies.

Side: against
anachronist(889) Disputed
2 points

I am only a eugenist as far as I think people should think twice about having children. Humans are indeed exceeding the limits of finite resources, and lower quantity of life means better quality of life. If you define a lump of flesh dependent on an external respiratory and circulatory source as being an innocent baby, then yes, I am in favour of killing innocent babies. But fortunately, I am capable of critical thinking and thus realise that said lump of flesh is no more a person than a woman's uterus itself is a person.

Side: with
4 points

I personally think that abortion should be a personal choice. For example if a woman got rapped and got pregnant, would it then be wrong of her to not want the "child"? I know she could put the "baby" to adoption, but do you think that she wants to carry that "child" for 9 months? It cost a lot of money being pregnant, not everyone can afford it. It is not your choice to chose if someone can abort, it should never be you that should choose what another person should do. Abortion may be killing, but to be honest if a person can't afford or is having an unwanted "baby" they shouldn't be forced to have that "child"

Side: with
Linsdip(111) Disputed
1 point

Ok so lets say its a matter for personal choice lets wait till the baby can exercise that choice in fairness all beings being created equal - self evident right! then lets see how many abortions there are Nil Nil Nil

Side: against
3 points

I'm pro-choice because I believe in a human being's unalienable right of self-ownership. Your body, your choice.

Side: with
0 points

Your body = your choice

other organisms body = other organisms choice

It is simple biology (regardless of your stance on abortion) that the fetus is separate from the woman's body.

Side: against
Cuaroc(8827) Disputed
1 point

other organisms body = other organisms choice

Yes but does that organism have the ability to make that choice? And remember that organism needs the mother to live.

Side: with
0 points

Wasn't a choice made if the sex was consensual?

Wasn't a choice made when you choice not to take proper precautions like condoms, the pill, or vasectomy?

Side: against
1 point

It's not always a choice. Ever heard of rape?

Condoms and pills can fail.

Side: with
3 points

The choice of whether a pregnant woman should give up the life of her child is totally and completely up to the mother. It is understood how people can be absolutely horrified by the face that an unborn child can be killed but murder is one way to put it. If someone is raped and cannot financially support a new child then it is not fair on them. Those victims were not given a choice to have a life put in their hands and, sometimes they are unable to handle such situations. This mostly happens to teenagers who are raped and end up pregnant. They have to give up their time, sometimes their precious education and study time to look after the baby, or if they really want to give birth to a baby and put it into an orphanage, people can find this sad. It is not really great to grow up not knowing who your parents are or knowing that you were abandoned at a young age and they choose to just relieve the life or these sufferings before it is alive, before it has feeling.

Thankyou

Side: with
2 points

I'm not "with" abortion. Frankly I really can't get too personal; being a man I lack the uterus to facilitate a baby. But I support one's right to choose what they want to do.

Side: with

I believe the woman should have a choice over whether she should or should not have an abortion.

Some people in the opposition equate abortion to murder, but the potential to become a human does not automatically entitle one to human rights. Why don't sperm or eggs have human rights then?

Also, some people in the opposition are saying "well, if you have sex and get pregnant then that is your fault. you have to live with the consequences". If an accident occurs such as a condom failing or birth control not working you're basically telling people that its their fault and that they shouldn't have had sex to begin with.

This basically makes sex something only to be done when wanting a child, and in no other circumstances should sex be performed for fear of becoming pregnant.

Side: with
Linsdip(111) Disputed
0 points

Now I am getting the picture Markm is an Atheist Murderer, Accident Accident - ah so if a unborn baby is an accident we can murder it is that right MM. Everything has risk mate but I fail to see how a man can live in fear of beconing pregant

Side: against
2 points

So...I'm an atheist murderer? Meaning...I murder people who are atheists? This ties in well with your argument.

ah so if a unborn baby is an accident we can murder it is that right MM

First, it is not murder. Second, if the unborn being is past the 24 weeks pregnancy period then it should be illegal. If it is before the 24 weeks pregnancy mark, then abortion should be legal.

Everything has risk mate but I fail to see how a man can live in fear of beconing pregant

I'm not your mate. I'm Atheist Murderer.

And wtf are you talking about with men becoming pregnant? I didn't say anything about that...

Side: with
Cuaroc(8827) Disputed
1 point

Markm is an Atheist Murderer

Lol do you think only atheists are for abortion? get yourself educated .

Side: with
2 points

I am for it in the traditional sense of it being a woman who aborts her child. But I also think that this right should be extended to the father as well. Give fathers an option of legally aborting the child. They give up all ties, responsibilities,rights, etc to the child forever and he doesn't have to invest resources into him/her/it. Now that being said I don't want this to become the new No fault divorce debacle, if a father is going to do this he needs a solid reason. Like he used a condom and it broke and she wants the kid, or a woman stole his sperm from a used condom and got knocked up, if he can somehow prove she wanted a baby with him only for financial security, etc.

A decision like this should not be taken lightly.

Side: with
0 points

Hey man - which assyum did you escape from - now you want fathers to join in with legalised murder. Try to imagine what an aborted child feels, like the pain, the trauma just coz you cant see it doesnt mean it isnt alive. it is a live it has a little heart lungs eyes face etc and a soul and brain.

Hold it in your hands and apologise. If you left nature run its course 99% sure it would turn out to be a better human being than you. Barbaric uncivilised Neanderthaals

Side: against
modorichie(152) Disputed
2 points

It is genuinely considered that it was the homo sapiens that where the Barbarians. They roamed in larger groups and wiped out the Neanderthals.

Sorry its not really a dispute more of a picky correction.

Side: with
Cuaroc(8827) Disputed
2 points

which assyum did you escape from

I could ask you the same thing

Side: with
2 points

I could come up with a quite alot of reasons why i would be against abortions but only a few as to why i am with one having a abortion. But those few reasons are much more stronger than the other side in my opinion.

Side: with
Salta(21) Disputed
2 points

and what are these reasons particularly?Prove your position

Side: against
2 points

by the time it is ok to abort a child, it is not yet a human. Infact the cell doesnt quite know what it is yet. Also, with abortion there are many more benifets then if you are forced to have a child. people always say atleast have the baby then put it up for adoption, that is more harmful then hulpful. i say that because in orphanages whenever a child isnt adopted they then see them selfs as unwanted, or not good enough, which will ruin them phycologicaly. even if they are adopted, they still think they werent wanted, this is because their parents didnt want them. But i digress, the benifets of having a child aborted helps aid stem-cell research. this could help people walk again, recive organ transplants, recive skin graphs, ect. So, if your loved ones needed a heart youd rather wait for the perfect match after waiting for years to reach the top of the list, or would you rather not wait to get to the top of the list, and still recive a heart that fits perfectly?

Side: with
1 point

A woman has the right to chose abortion if she so wishes.

I'm sure eveyone would rather prevention over abortion, but that's not always the way life works out.

Side: with
Linsdip(111) Disputed
1 point

A Woman has no more right than the life within her , it is her duty to become a mother, and quit moaning, babies are lovely , and there are plenty of people who would adopt or Foster

Side: against
modorichie(152) Disputed
2 points

A Woman has no more right than the life within her

I think current legistration would dispute that.

it is her duty to become a mother

I belive many women who have or have not been unfortunate enough to go through an abortion would dispute that.

Yes babies are lovely, so are kttens and I've had a male version of each living in my house for the last 20 years and to be honest I didn't really see the cuteness any more in either of them. But the cat has been much easier, far more apreciative and never, grew into a human teenager,complained that his friends care givers allow them to roam the streets, try to drive my car, asked could his girlfriend stay, moan at my mother/brother about his low quality of care, throw a tantrum in the supermarket, argue with me over care giver responsibilities, try smoking, get drunk, nappies, school, sick days, sad days, expect to be driven, after school clubs, holidays, broken my stuff, move through my house like a localised hurrican Katrina etc etc.

Having fostered a teenager, who had 9 diffrent homes before living with us for 4 years, I would not recommend anyone go through the foster system.

Easy to foster out babies, not so easy for children and teenagers which is where most of the hardwork is at and needed. Most fostered babies are returned/replaced according to our social services liason woman and fostering out teenagers is near impossible.

Plenty of perople who would adopt, pleanty more children around the world that need to be adopted.

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I'm not going to take a 'personhood' argument here - it's been argued well by people other than me, and I would add little that hasn't been said. Instead, I'm going to argue from a humanistic point of view.

The women that have abortions are not preventing these fetuses from coming into loving, happy families. They are saving them from being born into poverty and pain. They are saving them from a mother that cannot care for them. They are saving them from a broken family.

The vast majority (in excess of 90%) of abortions are sought for personal reasons:

- 21% feel that they do not have the financial resources to bring up a child.

- 21% feel that they are not ready for the responsibility of raising a child.

- 16% feel that their life would be changed too much. She might have a plan for her future (education, developing a career, etc.) that does not allow for having a child at the present time. She might be looking after an elderly parent and does not have sufficient time or energy to commit to a baby.

- 12% feel that her relationship with her partner is in difficulty.

- 11% feel that they are too young, and not sufficiently mature to become a mother.

- In 8% of the cases, her children are grown and she does not want to start another family, or she has all the children that she wants.

Some of these reasons may be influenced by:

- Pressure from the father or from her parents to have an abortion.

- She feels that she lacks the emotional and physical strength to go through another pregnancy and raise the child.

- She believes that raising an additional child would short-change her existing children.

- She is a student and/or without a partner; she feels that raising a child would be too difficult and disruptive at her time in life.

- She doesn't want other people to know that she became pregnant.

- A child would interfere with her career or education.

- She may fear physical abuse from a parent if they learn of her pregnancy.

- She may fear being tossed out onto the street by a parent if they learn of her pregnancy.

- In the case of a multiple pregnancy, the woman may be faced with giving birth to more newborns than she feels she can deal with.

Then, thousands of abortions happen because of medical reasons. If people believe that an abortion is immoral, where both the mother and fetus will certainly die, then I inherently disagree with them.

About 6% of all abortions are sought because either the woman or fetus has medical reasons:

- The fetus might have been hurt by exposure to high levels of toxic chemicals, medications that might be dangerous to the fetus, alcohol, drugs, etc. They may cause the fetus to be genetically damaged.

- Some girls become pregnant at a very young age, when pregnancy can be dangerous.

- The fetus has a genetic defect or other health problem. Almost all of the couples who find that the fetus suffers from Down's Syndrome, or a similar defect, elect to have an abortion.

- The woman may develop eclampsia. This involves a sudden increase in blood pressure, and onset of seizures. The results can be fatal to both the woman and fetus. This used to be called toxemia of pregnancy.

- In the case of a multiple pregnancy -- quintuplets, sextuplets, etc. -- some or all of the fetuses will end up with various long-term health problems; some may not survive at all. Physicians will sometimes recommend a selective reduction process where one or more fetuses are killed in order that the remaining fetuses would be born normal.

Finally, abortion due to rape and sexual abuse. We can all agree that people should be responsible for their own actions, to varying degrees. However, should a women be punished because she has a womb & someone abused her? Again, if you believe this, then I inherently disagree with you.

About 1% of all abortions are sought because of abusive sexual act:

- About ten to fifteen thousand abortions (approximately 1%) annually are sought because the conception occurred after rape or during an incestuous relationship, and the woman does not want to bear a child who was conceived in violence.

All information found here

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wardogninja(1789) Clarified
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I agree with you about abortion in cases of medical concern for the mother or in cases of "abusive sexual acts"

However i disagree with a number of points you stated about protecting the child from a broken family.

1)If a potential mother is getting an abortion due to fear of physical abuse or being tossed out on the street, the issue is not with the mother but with her parents and should be reported to the authorities

2)if the mother does not feel that she can not raise the child herself, adoption should be the answer.

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BenWalters(1513) Disputed
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1: A mother is a parent. The police should be involved, but this is often not the best way to solve the issue (domestic violence is a very difficult topic). And also, why not do both: get the police involved, but for the mothers sake, and allow an abortion, if the mother things its necessary?

2: And force the mother to bear the child? It's a huge thing to ask of a person, it can lose them friends, relationships, jobs, education, as well as massive amounts of money if they life in a country without universal healthcare.

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I don't care; I'm a nihilist.

However, a mother's choice is a mother's choice. Whether you agree with it or not, your view doesn't mean shit. I don't care how religion shaped your belief, but I see abortion as a gift: a blessing.

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I don't care; I'm a nihilist.

However, a mother's choice is a mother's choice. Whether you agree with it or not, your view doesn't mean shit. I don't care how religion shaped your belief, but I see abortion as a gift: a blessing.

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Would you want a parasite for 9 months from result of rape? then after 9 months a baby who's father is your rapist?

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While i agree with you that abortion in cases of rape are acceptable, what about when it wasn't rape? What about when it was consensual?

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I am for abortion. I believe that in certain circumstances it is acceptable; if the child is the result of a rape, the quality of life should be assessed not the quantity (say for instance the child will be born with a severe life-threatening illness), and if the mother's own life is in danger. Abortion is and should remain a completely personal choice.

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Read the book Freakonomics, there, the author Steven Levitt brings up what is known today as the Donohue-Levitt hypothesis.

Summary: Children who are not wanted are likely to be raised in adverse situations. Due to this, they are most likely not going to be able to get a good education, and are going to fall into crime.

This was proven in the massive drop in crime rates in the 1990s, right after Roe v. Wade in 1973.

In the long run, abortion will save lives. This has been proven. It may seem cold, but the rights of the many must come before the survival of the few, even if those few are fetuses.

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It is the choice of the mother whether or not to have the baby. Aborting a baby is the same as killing a cow and killing a cow is accepted so I don't know why aborting a baby should not be. For at that age a parrot is more intelligent as well as more aware than the fetus. So if killing a parrot is justified than aborting (killing) a fetus should be as well.

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If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.

If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.

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