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i want my son to look like his mutilation, pure and simple
Debate Score:19
Arguments:18
Total Votes:21
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circumcision

circumcision - the ripping off part of the penile skin - has been practised as a sacrifice to show "god how much we love him"

it is sexual mutilation and has no foundation in health concerns.

the removal of nerve endings in the sexual pleasure zone, combined with the numbing of other nerve endings in the sexual pleasure zone due to constant friction have resulted in a reduced sexual pleasure for males.

i want my son to look like his

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mutilation, pure and simple

Side Score: 12

I don't know what "I want my son to look like his" is supposed to mean, but at any rate:

I'm glad my parents had this taken care of for me when I was an infant. I don't know that I would have had the courage to have it done in my teenage years, which would have meant shame and fear of intimacy. At the time I became sexually mature, it was almost unheard of to be uncircumcised in North America. The trend is shifting now, especially with the amount of immigration to Canada and the US these days, but for reasons of aesthetics (watch porn lately?), hygiene and reduced risk of disease, I'm glad I don't have to worry about it as an adult.

We had a debate about this not too long ago and the side with their wieners still in a bun (mostly Euros) really got their shorts in a knot as I recall.

Side: i want my son to look like his
aveskde(1935) Disputed
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I'm glad my parents had this taken care of for me when I was an infant. I don't know that I would have had the courage to have it done in my teenage years, which would have meant shame and fear of intimacy.

You wouldn't have been the worse for it. Most uncircumcised men I talked with in the United States are actually happy with it. It is the circumcised men I have talked with who feel at the least, a little violated.

At the time I became sexually mature, it was almost unheard of to be uncircumcised in North America. The trend is shifting now, especially with the amount of immigration to Canada and the US these days,

Quite true. I have noticed this shift as well. It also means that the chief argument used to support circumcision - conformity, is vanishing.

but for reasons of aesthetics (watch porn lately?), hygiene and reduced risk of disease, I'm glad I don't have to worry about it as an adult.

It's actually all about conformity. The other reasons exist to distract from this, as rationalisations.

Hygiene? European, South American, Asian, etc. men have had no issue washing themselves. It is seriously like arguing that we should remove the sweat glands under the arms for the sake of hygiene. Did you know that women produce a lot of fluids down there which are (allegedly) reduced by female genital mutilation? That's one of the selling points of female circumcision, that it is more hygienic.

Disease? I brought this up before, but wear a condom. You never replied to this. A condom virtually eliminates disease. Circumcision does NOT eliminate disease. It statistically correlates with reduced HIV infection rates, which means that you are STILL susceptible to HIV and the other diseases spread by sexual contact. It is an after-the-fact rationalisation to support circumcision.

Seriously do you never wear a condom during sex? Do you think you are immune to disease now?

We had a debate about this not too long ago and the side with their wieners still in a bun (mostly Euros) really got their shorts in a knot as I recall.

I cannot comment on the emotional zeitgeist but it seems to me that an organ which men identify as an intimate part of themselves when damaged or changed in any way without their consent would leave them at the very least emotionally biased towards it as a sort of coping mechanism.

This behaviour is mirrored in Africa and the Middle East where mutilated women are required to be this way to conform to expectations, that the men will not choose them as mates if they (the women) are not circumcised, and indeed the grandmothers will even abduct their granddaughters to mutilate them, in those rare cases where the mothers object to the practice. You said revealingly in the last debate that you would like it if one day it was standard practice worldwide for infant circumcision of males, this seems to bear a striking resemblance to the aforementioned elders and their granddaughters.

I have to wonder if it is a subconscious coping mechanism to deride or insist upon removal of the clitoral hood (and foreskin) in the respective genders with the notion being that if everyone has theirs removed, then one need not feel as though one is missing anything.

Side: mutilation, pure and simple
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I'm simply glad that I have a reduced risk of infection, an easier time keeping clean, and for now, what is considered a more attractive penis. These are things I'm thankful for, not things I cope with as you put it.

And you seem confused about reduced risk. It's reduced risk, not no risk. I'm not aware of anybody (especially me) claiming their circumcision has eliminated the need for condoms. All things being equal (using protection) a man with a circumcised penis has less risk of infection than a man with an uncircumcised penis.

I thought I had responded similarly in the last debate as well.

Side: i want my son to look like his
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Absolutely. While perhaps less brutal and more sterile, the practice of circumcision is akin to female genital mutilation in other cultures. Neither practice is humane, neither is medically necessary, and neither should be performed on anyone without their consent.

Side: mutilation, pure and simple
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auntichrist: hygene, hygene, hygene.

the infection argument is so bogus; it's just there to make the guys who have been mutilated feel not so bad about it.

the jesus freaks had a "good" one for that as well: the discarded skin would be used to help burn victims grow new skin!!!??

oh, then there are the africans who have been mutilated as adults and suddenly the hiv/aids incidence went down...well, duh....they are having less sex !

Side: mutilation, pure and simple

Some Africans carve out little girls' clitorises. I hear the same of some Asian cultures. Is there any merit whatsoever in saying that some things just FEEL wrong? Should we pay attention to that feeling? Or do I just have my head up my ass?

Side: mutilation, pure and simple
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How much childhood trauma is involved? Children who have part of their newborn body taken from them must have some effect on them, sooner or later. Let the child have the choice to circumcise when he (or she) is able to make a choice for himself.

Side: mutilation, pure and simple