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Freedom Communisam
Debate Score:109
Arguments:67
Total Votes:125
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communisam V.S Freedom

Freedom

Side Score: 54
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Communisam

Side Score: 55
4 points

I feel that in communism people cannot always express themself reach their potential (in expressing themselves). Whereas in capitalism, that is not the case.

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Side: Freedom
4 points

I hope this was meant as a rhetorical question. Through all of my studies and enlightenment another Red Scare would be the worst thing possible for our current situation. The Vietnam War was one of the most disputed wars through history. Inter-personally, I will always led more to the better interest of the people. Anyone who believes communism is the way to go, just look at night map of Korea, then decide. With all of that being said I'm sure most people would prefer Freedom over anything else.

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Side: Freedom
nbailey(19) Disputed
0 points

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Side: Communisam
2 points

theirs no such thing as unjustly or unfairly rich you work hard you become rich you invest wisely you become rich you have a good idea you become rich but don't wine and complain because no one is handing you the keys to a free mansion welcome to the real world its time to put on your big boy pants go out get a job and make something of your self your big boys and girls now stop expecting other people to take care of you because work is too hard who gives a shit, work hard get rich or sit on your ass all day and cry like a little bitch because you don't get your way and stay poor the choice is yours

Side: Freedom
3 points

theirs no such thing as unjustly or unfairly rich

1/ Inheritance.

2/ A kid is born in Compton or Brooklyn. He had no choice. He lives in a shack with his sick mother. Therefore, at 10 he is forced to take illegal jobs in order to feed his family. Supposing that he was never caught stealing money or food at some 7 Eleven, he reached 17 with an passable record. He has gone to a shit public school his society refuses to pay for. He drops out because he found a job as a dealer. The jobs gets him money. Allows him to feed his family but not to pay proper care for his mother. A few years later she dies. One of his siblings die in a drug battle, he caught himself into. He needs more help and gets his sisters to start working. One gets pregnant at 17 , the other runs away. That baby is going to be born in a world with no hope to ever succeed because he is going to have to help his mother and uncle and if we are lucky father. He is going to have to eventually forget school.

Now, are you going to say that all of these series of events happen because they are LAZY? Do you think they chose to live a life like this? The only thing they did wrong was to be born on the wrong side of the track. No one can just work hard and succeed. To succeed you need the basic necessities: that is food, a home, education and a good health.

you work hard you become rich

I am pretty sure most of the lower class men in the United States work just as hard or maybe even harder than any middle class or higher class men. They remain poor.

Most of the kids in the upper class were given a private school and an ivy league. They did not have to anything. All they had to do was "sit on their ass all day" and study.

Side: Communisam
1 point

How dare you insult the poor class? Here you are, preaching that, oh, "they're too stupid to get out of that situation", or, "they don't know any better."

How dare you? Why must you demean the poorer people of the U.S.A. with your discouraging and degrading words? They can do whatever they'd like to do. Think about all of the wonderful people who've came out of these horrific situations (crack moms and dads, projects, drugs, etc.). If they can do it, why can't the other people? Because at the end of the day, one chooses to pull the trigger of a weapon, one chooses to impregnate a girl or get pregnant with kids they know they can't support, time and time again.

No one can just work hard and succeed

Tell that to the millions of people that have made the conscious choice to work hard and succeed, despite immense hardships.

It's time to stop treating the poor like babies who can't think for themselves and that need elitist, condescending people like yourself.

Side: Freedom
kerouac232(16) Disputed
1 point

The point is not choosing whether you want to be rich or work hard to be rich, or whatever you are trying to say. Obviously this shows the economy is no where as good as it could be. The government could be so much better, and the economy can rise, so the people can enjoy their lives.........

Or maybe the communists are lazy fucks.....either way..... FREEDOM!

Side: Communisam
2 points

communism is unethical because the government assumes the role of care giver taking earned money from some and distributing out as needed free men should make their own living with out a parental government commanding undue respect telling what they consume how they dress or what they can watch

don't bite the hand that feeds you

a house for every family and enough food ...hey Communism thats slavery hey they fed the slaves but that shit wadnt to fun

Side: Freedom
1 point

the reasion i named this debate freedom v.s communism is because i see a lot of debates called communism v.s capitalism to me that means freedom (capitalism) v.s communism because capitalist society's tent to be free, democratic, and pluralistic.

where as communist country's are always oppressive and totalitarian

Side: Freedom
sduganknight(11) Disputed
2 points

all the attempted communists ocietys have been opresive but thats cuz of dictators whereas a marxist society is probably freer than capatalism. because dictators misuse the word communism does not means its like that.

Side: Communisam
warrior(1854) Disputed
2 points

untill a communist government arises that isn't oppressive and totalitarian i will continue to disregard that argument

Side: Freedom
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

If you have to work, are you free?

Shouldn't you own your own means of production and subsistence?

why should you have to trade with someone else to survive, and if you didn't have to, how is that being less free?

Is a government really democratic when who in order to be elected you have to raise large sums of cash from the rich, resulting in there really being two elections: the first is with the rich and the few feasible political parties decided who to sponsor, the second who among these, more or less pretty similar Candidates does the public want.

As for pluralism, you are certainly aware of how mass production produce identical things for consumption; Consider the modern housing addition. Consumerism reduces variety.

These types of debates are typically the result of mistaking propaganda as legitimate. Communism, as defined by those who call them selfs communists and wrote it's theoretical works know communism is stateless, classless, society with advance means of production. It isn't the ussr, china, cuba, etc; at best, and this is disputed amongst the left, those countries are one form or another of socialism.

Side: Communisam

If you think about it, with total freedom, people can do whatever they want and not be penalized. With communism, there is one person who can do whatever they want without getting in trouble. A perfect mix of both would be perfect.

Side: Freedom

The problem with all systems of government and economic rule is the human element. Any idea that sounds great on paper I assure you humans will find a way to fuck it up. Keeping that in mind, communism, which relies on being perfect to not be totalitarian, will never work. Capitalism is a bent system from the start, but I think in practice (not in theory) capitalist countries have offered up a better array of freedoms. And even if capitalism was always noticeably shittier than communism, I would still choose the one with more freedom because, as I said before, humans are involved with both, which makes them both shit, and if I have to live in shit I at least want to be able to choose what I do with myself.

Side: Freedom

If only had a nickel for every communism vs freedom or communism vs capitalism or socialism vs capitalism, I would have like 3 dollars.

Side: Freedom
1 point

My argument

Communism has these features.

Do you really want to pratice your religion in secret of risk punishment?

Do you really want the government to own everything?

Do you really want to have no voice in the government?

Do you really need to think about which is better?

Side: Freedom
BlueShaman(3) Disputed
0 points

These aren't communistic ideas. Communism is 'communal', it means that the people are the ones who control their country, not an aristocracy and not a dictator.

Voice is inherent. The government doesn't own everything, the people do.

The only reason you believe these things about it are McCarthyism, and invalid and all too old tradition of hating everything "unAmerican".

Side: Communisam
1 point

All of the people on the other side are a bunch of Asian control freaks, the people have the right to make their own decisions not the gawt daym government

Side: Freedom
1 point

Are you serious, people? Why, when we are allowed the many freedoms we have today, would you want to be told (so to speak) when to eat, sleep, and work? This is ridiculous, our founding fathers' would be pissed. Case closed.

Side: Freedom
1 point

I am only adding a second comment so Freedom wins. I do think that it is funny though that "freedom" is capitalized and "communisam" is not only spelled wrong but left in (what I think should be proper) improper grammar.

Side: Freedom
1 point

Communism in theory is a good idea the problem is human nature only the rarest people on the planet are completely selfless. Joe busybody who works on boots and works with 98% efficiency does not want to be on the same level as Bill laze who only works with 50% efficiency. Our biggest gift and curse is our high intelligence. You want a perfect goverment? Fine, find a way to create a goverment that factors in human nature and can use it to not only help ourselves but the people around us.

Side: Freedom
1 point

Communism is the belief that the gifted should be cut down and the weak should be given support because they are weak. It is the belief that the government should be nurtured more than the people, that everyone should be enslaved to a single dictator, and the embodiment of the belief that a group should be dealt with solely concerning the many and never glancing at the strengths of the few.

Freedom is the belief that those who can do simply aught to get up and do, that the weak are capable of becoming strong, and that the strong's talents should be honed and brought to fruition. It is the belief that the common man is capable of thinking for himself, deciding for himself. Freedom is the truth that those who work hard will be great, not the belief that those who are great aught to fend for themselves.

Communism is created by a dictator to free himself and enslave the people. Freedom is created by the people, so the people can use their own thoughts to decide government. All those in favor of being told what to do, what to think and what to feel, why dont you get on a boat to a communist country and give your rights away to a dictator you've never met. As for me, I'll be voicing my opinions in a place where I actually can.

Side: Freedom
1 point

In a communist country every thing is free...exept YOU it's liberation from free thought they'll give you you freedom with a slave coller

Side: Freedom

Sometimes, when I'm walking through the ghetto, I come across a bum pissing on the wall. Momentarily, I'm disgusted by it, but then I look around. This place is filthy and everyone pisses here. The bum obviously doesn't give a shit. He doesn't own the wall he's pissing on. And, if it starts to smell too bad, he simply moves along to another wall. I've been been on the bus all morning. And the espresso from StarBuck's is starting to catch up with me. I look around for a bathroom, but there isn't one. Then, I think "fuck it, I don't own this wall either. I may as well piss on it." And so, I piss on it.

Later, I come across some teenagers painting on the town water toward. "Mayor Ewing is a hore," they write. And I stop in my tracks. I can't let this go on. I call the teenagers over to me. "Listen," I tell them. "The word 'whore' has a silent 'w' on the front of it. It's spelled w.h.o.r.e. Now get back up there and fix that shit. I can't have anyone thinking the kids of our town are ignorant." But you see what I did? I took a little ownership in the kids (not so much in the water tower). And Mayor Ewing is a whore.

By the time, I get to my house in 'burbs, I'm watching the sidewalks like a hawk.

It's time to go have a talk with the neighbor who doesn't mow is lawn. The house that sits across from me that's been vacant is driving down the property values. See, I own this place and I give a shit what goes on here. Now, if the government were to suddenly own everything (and I got this place by way of vouchure as their assessment of my needs) and I'd probably go back to ghetto mentality. Fuck it, piss against the wall. I don't a shit.

Side: Freedom

Freedom will win out over Communism because Communism oppresses the masses.

Side: Freedom
5 points

Communism is not without freedom. The difference between it and pure freedom though is that communism is a utopian governmental ideal, so obviously it's better (On paper).

Now, what I think you meant to make this debate about is Freedom vs. Totalitarianism. In which case, freedom is better. But you need to remember, communism =/= totalitarianism. The Soviet Union was not communist just because American propaganda during the Cold War said it was.

Side: Communisam
3 points

communism is a utopian governmental ideal

Precisely, that is what communism strives to be; but with that "utopia" comes an entire array of restrictive policies imposed upon the civilians:

- The government sees that sugar filled drinks are giving people diabetes, so they ban them.

- The government strives for equality so harshly that a neurosurgeon that worked his/her ass off to achieve greatness must now be equivalent to a bum (they will end up getting payed about the same).

Oh, but hey, now that bum is equal with everyone else; he doesn't have to sit on the side of the street anymore. He can now sit in his shitty one bedroom apartment that the government gave him. And guess who his room mate is? The neurosurgeon.

Side: Freedom
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
3 points

- The government sees that sugar filled drinks are giving people diabetes, so they ban them.

This restriction doesn't harm anyone. It could be annoying for those who enjoy luxuries like that, but so what? There are healthy luxuries to enjoy, therefore, no damage is being done to civilians.

- The government strives for equality so harshly that a neurosurgeon that worked his/her ass off to achieve greatness must now be equivalent to a bum (they will end up getting payed about the same).

This is not a goal of communism. It does not treat everyone the same, it treats everyone as they deserve. So no, under communism, a bum and a surgeon would not make the same money. The bum would make vastly little in comparison because he didn't educate himself hard for 8 or more years and build a career. The difference in work value between a bum and a surgeon is obvious, so they will be paid not equally, but fairly for their work value. Not too much, not too little.

They will always be paid enough to be able to survive.

Side: Communisam
warrior(1854) Disputed
2 points

you are thinking of socialism you can have a democratic free and pluralistic socialist society but history tells us that communist regimes tend to be extremely oppressive and totalitarian

Side: Freedom
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
3 points

Right, because they aren't actually communist. They say they are, but they are not. There has been not one single successful communist society, which is why I said it's perfect (on paper).

Side: Communisam
1 point

People shy away from the idea of Communism because it represents all the bad that used to happen in the days of Lenin and Stalin. The idea of communism its self though, equality to every9one is a good idea. I my self would choose to be communist rather that capitalist. Besides, communism is freedom. Only in capitalism are there unfair taxes, disgustingly poor people, and unjustly rich people. Communism shows we can all live the same way. Or at least the idea. It was introduced badly, with catastrophic results.

Side: Communisam
warrior(1854) Disputed
0 points

yeah sure if you can call a one party system with no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, no freedom of religion, in fact no freedom of any thing at all whatsoever freedom then sure you might be right

Side: Freedom
Jungelson(3931) Disputed
2 points

Again, you're resorting to the dictatorship idea people have of communism. It didn't work the first time because it was introduced wrong! How can you fail to comprehend this?!

Side: Communisam
BlueShaman(3) Disputed
0 points

This exact thing happened in the age of the red-scare in America. Communism has nothing to do with totalitarianism.

None of these ideas embody communism. Communism lacks any form of government that isn't entirely based on the people.

Side: Communisam

communism vs freedom? Communism is freedom, freedom from all the fat cats that rule the capitalist society today

Side: Communisam
warrior(1854) Disputed
3 points

no communism is an enslavement to the government those "fat cats" are the job creators the employers capitalism is about freedom and opportunity communism is about oppression and totalitarian control by the state over the population

Side: Freedom
sarowiwa(9) Disputed
1 point

Wealth is created from labour. Communism is stateless not totalitarian.

Side: Communisam
socialistboy(16) Disputed
1 point

if capitalism is so great then why are the streets of Egypt, a capitalist State filled with beggars while the others wallow in their richness

Side: Communisam
moderatemark(481) Clarified
1 point

Honestly, I'm not sure what Communisam is. Is that where Uncle Sam starts banging hippies in a pogrom outside of Berkeley? Or does it happen when the Green Eggs And Ham guy stops getting his government cheese, that Sam I am, that Sam I am. I have a pretty good idea what communism is though.

Side: Freedom

This debate is as bad as saying Capatalism or freedom! both systems have freedom!

Side: Communisam
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

name one communist country where the population enjoys the freedoms that we do here

Side: Freedom
ChuckHades(3198) Disputed
2 points

Your question is flawed. The term "communist country" is self contradictory, as a truly communist society would be global and without state.

Side: Communisam
sduganknight(11) Disputed
1 point

Just because dictators have seized power by using communism to get the poeple to rise does not make the idea flawed. marx would probably deny that there had ever been a communist nation and one that had a succesful communist countrie would enjoy more freedom than us. capatilism does not work as the wall street protests show

Side: Communisam
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

Communism is stateless classless society, global and with advance means of production.

socialism may have countries, and is ideally ran by the workers via some type of federated councils.

The "communist" countries which you are likly thinking of are called such because the political machinery was made up of communists, and lead by vanguards, depending on who you talk to the vanguard methodology just creates a new class of oppressors, or the elimination of soviet democracy in every case of a Leninist revolution was some practical thing that had to be done for one reason or another.

Side: Communisam
1 point

People shy away from the design of Communism since it represents all the bad that used to come about in the days of Lenin and Stalin. The idea of communism it’s self though, equality to every9one is a good idea.

The government strive for equality so harshly that a neurosurgeon that worked his/her ass off to achieve magnitude must now be corresponding to a bum (they will end up getting payed about the same).

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Side: Communisam
1 point

So... communism vs anarchy? If you're ruled by any sort of government, you have, willingly or otherwise, relinquished various freedoms in exchange for security. Well, among other things, obviously.

Anyways, Communism isn't exactly terrible, it's just that people are assholes and it doesn't work unless you have people who -aren't- and can stay that way. It's not impossible, just hard. 'sides, it's not like democracy works any better anyways. We don't live in a pure democracy, and I doubt we could live in a pure communism.

Side: Communisam