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Debate Score:28
Arguments:17
Total Votes:31
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does the bible allow rape?

do unto others what you would have done unto you?... love your neighbour as yourself? hehehe.

If the answer is yes imma christian and im gonna tell the po-lice they cant force their beliefs unto me.

yes

Side Score: 18
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no

Side Score: 10

The torah regards women as men's property and prescribe that its their duty to have sex with him whenever he wants to have sex.

Side: yes
jakeylol Disputed
1 point

Actually it means husbands property or fathers property not any man. Although men could judge and tell her what to do they could not rape her for the bibles teaches us to respect others and rape is not a form of respect.

Side: no
The Phantom(453) Clarified
0 points

What? Who was talking about the torah? .

Side: yes
Emperor(1348) Disputed
1 point

The Bible nearly literally means "The Books", referring to the New Testament AND the Old Testament, both of which are part of Christianity, and both of which endorsed by Jesus within the Bible itself.

Side: no
4 points

No, just no. The Bible clearly states that adultery is wrong, therefore sex before marraige is wrong.

Side: no
Emperor(1348) Disputed
5 points

Ok, let's see.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Ok, so women are seen as inhuman property, whom the rapist is allowed to marry.

You're wrong, it seems adultery is perfectly fine, and sex before marriage is fine too, as long as the women becomes yours in marriage.

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Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

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If you have war in God's name, (what?) you can force a women to have sex with you, after ...shaving her head.

Ok, so you're wrong again.

That's really fucked up. If you support this, does this make your beliefs evil? Does that make you evil?

All people believe they are righteous, generally, but in my eyes, if you support this book, then you appear to be quite evil.

But no, a little bit of shit smeared on a chocolate bar (the bible) isn't that bad. But wait, there's more!

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When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

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Ok, so now it's talking about not just selling people as slaves, but your own daughter as a slave.

To be forced to have sex with. So there's some more rape.

That's pretty fucked up! I wonder why you were angry I had "subtly" insulted you before.

Here's an unsubtle insult.

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You're a fucking dumbass for believing this and you're completely corrupted and your beliefs are fucking stupid.

See how I used the f-word. That's not subtle, is it?

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Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Women ravished? That's some more rape.

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Remember when Jesus said "Every jot and tittle", referring to the old testament?

Yeah, no excuses, you corrupted rapist supporter.

I'm sure you've never personally raped someone, but if you believe this book and give it reverence or respect, then you are certainly a rape supporter.

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And thus, the Bible has been shown to support rape, not just once, which could be passed off as a mistake, but SEVERAL times, which seems to prove that you are wrong.

Not "No, just no.", but rather "Yes, just yes, the Bible CLEARLY states that rape is ok to do, along with war and slavery.

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Supporting Evidence: ATHEISM (postimage.org)
Side: yes
3 points

I've personally never read the Bible, so I appreciate your quotations as well as your use of citation (a touch that most people do not care to do these days). While, your attitude is hostile, your argument is sound. Well done.

Side: yes
2 points

Another point:

Even though the stuff above is from the OT, back a few years ago, Christian missionaries WOULD rape people they were trying to conquer, and often kill them. This is even after the crusades. Christianity is quite a problem, as is nearly all religion.

Side: yes
vandebater(444) Disputed
3 points

yeah but theres inconsistent messages here so as a tie breaker lets count the score... I gave you TWO bible ideas for rape and you only gave me ONE against rape ;)

Side: yes
anachronist(889) Disputed
0 points

It allows marital rape, which is still a form of rape...................................

Side: yes
2 points

I would argue that the bible cannot "allow" anything, seeing as it is not a sentient being and therefore does not have the ability to impede anything (allowance being the lack of disruption). Now, if you are suggesting that a case is made in the bible that rape is something that ought to be condoned, I pose this question: why does it matter? Assuming that the Bible does, in fact, contain a case for rape as something permissible, then why is it even worth acknowledging considering the liberal view of the people in power? Such behavior would not be allowed by the global community. Why should we care if anything in the bible conflicts with the current majority opinion? Groupthink is reality as far as policy is concerned. This is why all people are equal in the United States. To say otherwise is blasphemy, even if it means silencing the voice of reason.

Side: no
1 point

No, you are meant to treat others with respect and dignity. That's what the bible teaches us. To commit rape it to not treat others with respect.

Side: no
Emperor(1348) Disputed
1 point

No it doesn't.

That's what Christians SAY the Bible teaches. If you ever actually read the Bible, you would see a much different story than Mr. Nice Guy Ned Flanders Christian.

It is a violent, horrible book who's stories are not interest, the plot is shallow, the violence is immense, and the morals are very very ....disgusting.

To say "No killing" and "Not stealing" is VERY obvious for most people. Do you think that atheists steal and kill without thinking? Of course not, or the majority of people in prisons would NOT be Christians, in the USA.

For the average person, unless there is revenge involved, actually murdering another person is not something that would affect them, those those rules are really just "feel good" rules that people will generally obey by default and human nature, except in War, which for some reason is mainly propagated by the most religious and greedy people, rather than the average human.

The Bible is not a good book with good morals, it shows the "good guys" or the Jews as committing righteous genocide, as instructed by "god", raping people, god killing people, enslavement, lots of murder and other horrible deeds, combined with some good stuff.

As I've said before, if you want to treat people nicely, then treat people nicely.

If you want to obey a book, then the analogy "Would you eat a nice piece of chocolate (Turn the other cheek, do unto others as they would do unto you), that fell into a large bin of slimy, greasy, stinking shit? (Selling your daughter as a slave, raping the spoils of war, marrying the woman you rape, genocide, murdering all of humanity after god himself messes up)", is quite valid.

Side: yes