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flat Spinning ball
Debate Score:63
Arguments:44
Total Votes:72
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Side Score: 34
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It's flat, a few minutes of commonsense thought is sufficient, but even better, you can show yourself.

Globe lie unravels quick if you are willing to ask questions.

Supporting Evidence: Flat GIF (goo.gl)
Side: flat
0 points

As stated in another argument, I don't claim to personally believe in the Flat Earth theory, though I do think disregarding it for no other reason than because it goes against what you learned in school is both contrary to science and borderline cult-like.

Anyway, to the arguments:

first of all, the horizon always appears completely flat, regardless of height or location. Furthermore, it always rises to eye height, so that you never have to look down to see it (as you would on a sphere).

Second, water, being a liquid, will find and maintain a level, if possible. If the Earth were a spinning ball, truly, consistently flat water surfaces would not exist.

Third, if the Earth were a sphere 25,000 miles in diameter, spherical trigonometry dictates that the surface of all standing water must curve downward an easily measurable eight inches per mile multiplied by the square of the distance. This means that along a six mile channel of standing water, the Earth would dip six feet on either end from a central peak. Every time experiments have been conducted to prove this, however, the standing water has been found to be perfectly level.

Fourth, if the Earth were a spinning globe, airplanes flying west would have to fly faster than the Earth spins to reach their destination, traveling at over a thousand miles per hour. Last I checked, airlines don't take such matters into account when planning routes.

Fifth, and possibly the strongest proof, is the experiment known as "Airy's Failure". In short, the man performing the experiment failed to prove motion in the Earth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBz-GFUsjzA&feature;=youtu.be

Sixth, the most popular naval navigation techniques, Plane Sailing and Great Circle Sailing, both use plane, rather than spherical, trigonometry. If these techniques, which assume the Earth to be a flat plane, were inaccurate, why would they be so popular?

Side: flat
AveSatanas(4425) Disputed
4 points

#1 is bullshit. You can go up on a high mountain and CLEARLY see a very gradual curve. Go in a plane and that curve is even more apparent. Go into orbit and its painfully obvious.

#2 relative size blows this out of the water (get it?). Earth very very very big. The centripetal force is not enough to counteract the force of gravity.

#3 see #2

#4 The plane is spinning with the earth at the same time it is also propelling itself foreward. When the plane is standing perfectly still on the runway it is moving at the speed the earth is spinning. Everything on earth is. It then propels itself the speed of the earth's spin plus its thrust speed.

#5 "The cartoon omits the telescope's focusing lens, implying that the photons remain freely propagating particles all the way down the tube. In fact, once the photons impinge on the telescope's lens, they are no longer free entities, but become part of the Earth-system, participating in its motion. The initial tilt -- Bradley's angle of aberration -- insures that the light impinges on the lens at right angles, so there is no additional refraction. The lens then focuses such light onto the telescope's focal point. Filling the telescope with water changes nothing. Airy's failure is in accord with the Earth's orbital motion. It proves nothing."

The top comment said it better than i could. Its essentially the same answer as #4 tweaked slightly.

#6 They arent inaccurate. They are navigation techniques that would work regardless of if it was flat or spherical because theyre essentially using landmarks .

Flat Earth "theory" is nothing but bunk garbage that cannot posit ANY positive evidence for it being true. The only thing flat earthers can do is fail to understand established science and then nitpick at those misunderstandings as if theyve made some profound scientific discovery. That, or they look at clear evidence of a round earth and go "nu uh" with zero sound evidence to disprove it. For instance, a favorite argument of flat earthers is to say that literally every single photo nasa has ever taken is either CGI or taken with a "fish eye lens" despite having ZERO proof that this is the case. And their CGI dispute comes from the fundamental misunderstanding of how earth images are generated because they apparently dont know how relative size works.

It is PRECISELY because it goes against all modern science AND classical science that it should be utterly discounted.

Side: Spinning ball
2 points

"Go into orbit and its painfully obvious"

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You've never been into orbit, so you are guessing.

Side: flat
2 points

"It is PRECISELY because it goes against all modern science AND classical science that it should be utterly discounted"

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No theory should ever be discounted. For all you know, you are in a matrix and you only see what you've been programmed to see.

Side: flat
1 point

Your conclusions are almost exactly the same as mine, excepting #3: what do centripetal force and the force of gravity have to do with measuring the Earth's curvature?

Side: Spinning ball
1 point

Another couple arguments I previously forgot to mention:

1. "Surveyors' operations in the construction of railroads, tunnels, or canals are conducted without the slightest "allowance" being made for "curvature," although it is taught that this so-called allowance is absolutely necessary! This is a cutting proof that Earth is not a globe."

2. "There are rivers that flow for hundreds of miles towards the level of the sea without falling more than a few feet - notably, the Nile, which, in a thousand miles, falls but a foot. A level expanse of this extent is quite incompatible with the idea of the Earth's "convexity." It is, therefore, a reasonable proof that Earth is not a globe."

https://wiki.tfes.org/AhundredproofstheEarthisnotaglobe

Side: flat
-Yuri-(284) Clarified
1 point

If you do not believe the earth is flat then I assume you have a refute for every one of these arguments you made o.o and if so then why post them at all o.o

Side: flat
freethink(8) Disputed
1 point

""Surveyors' operations in the construction of railroads, tunnels, or canals are conducted without the slightest "allowance" being made for "curvature,""

-Cite your sources.

"A level expanse of this extent is quite incompatible with the idea of the Earth's "convexity.""

-How so?

Side: Spinning ball
freethink(8) Disputed
1 point

"horizon always appears completely flat, regardless of height or location."

-False. The curvature appears more defined as altitude increases.

"it always rises to eye height"

-What are you using as a reference to determine this? Or are you just parroting?

"If the Earth were a spinning ball, truly, consistently flat water surfaces would not exist."

-What makes you think truly flat surfaces do exist?

"Every time experiments have been conducted to prove this, however, the standing water has been found to be perfectly level."

-Bullshit. There are countless photos of ships, buildings, and land masses, partially obscured by the horizon.

"if the Earth were a spinning globe, airplanes flying west would have to fly faster than the Earth spins to reach their destination, traveling at over a thousand miles per hour"

-This is false, because the Earth's atmosphere is moving with the Earth.

"possibly the strongest proof, is the experiment known as "Airy's Failure".

-I call BS on that one. The speed of light is still very fast. The speed of light traveling through a diamond, is only about half speed.

"If these techniques, which assume the Earth to be a flat plane"

-Citation needed.

Side: Spinning ball
TheSnake(1) Disputed
1 point

Fifth, and possibly the strongest proof, is the experiment known as "Airy's Failure". In short, the man performing the experiment failed to prove motion in the Earth

The "experimenter" is using a logical fallacy derived from Einsteinian physics. Motion can be proven, but since it is always relative to the observer, it can not be proven whether the object or the observer is moving.

Side: Spinning ball
0 points

Moonlandings are obvious lies,

After going through radiation belts the first astronauts lived long lives into their 80s & 90s is silly! Believing moonlandings as if unquestionable fact or even clear reasoning, & communication during 8track days with moonlanders is ridiculous! https://t.co/AzsyTQBN7f

There is no earth curve, and the Chicago skyline proves this with a good camera zoom used at eye level, unless you are gullible enough to believe the skyline is a mirage.

Side: flat
3 points

when it's high noon in Kansas (sunny day) .... then why at that time is it midnight (dark) in China ?? .... our sun has the ability to light up planets and moons from ours to Jupiter's but can't light up China (same plane as us) at high noon ??? .... give me a freakn break ... our planet is spherical

Side: Spinning ball
LichPotato(362) Disputed
1 point

I'm not claiming to believe in the Flat Earth theory, but your argument has a serious problem: the circumstance you mentioned (the Sun being over Kansas while simultaneously not being over China) is not possible only with a spherical Earth; the popular Flat Earth model explains it just as well: https://wiki.tfes.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions

Side: flat

I'd say that page is elaborate enough. (Not saying that the Earth is flat either.)

Side: flat
dadman(1701) Disputed
2 points

the Sun being over Kansas while simultaneously not being over China

The Sun cannot shine on China and Kansas at the same time ... beings how China and Kansas (approx) are on opposite ends of the planet ... while Kansas is facing the Sun / China faces away ... vise/versa (spherical) ....... if China and Kansas were on the same plane (flat earth) ... the Sun would shine on both at the same time .... correct ?

Side: Spinning ball
2 points

I can't believe people still believe in a flat Earth. It's an irrefutable fact that the Earth is indeed round

Side: Spinning ball
1 point

There is nothing that is irrefutable. For all you know this is a matrix, you've been programmed to see things that are not there, and/or the galaxies we see are all gone because of the time it takes for light to get to us.

Side: flat
freethink(8) Disputed
1 point

"you've been programmed to see things that are not there"

-How so?

"and/or the galaxies we see are all gone because of the time it takes for light to get to us."

-They could be gone, theoretically.

Side: Spinning ball
2 points

THEY HAVE SPACE PICTUERS U IDJITZ. WUTZ RONG WITH UR LOGIC?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? also evolution and aliens are both real.

Side: Spinning ball
3 points

Done in a Disney studio. *

Side: flat
freethink(8) Disputed
2 points

"Done in a Disney studio"

-Prove it. Otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass.

Side: Spinning ball
Dusting(10) Disputed
1 point

Where is your evidence???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

NASA Blue Marble 100% Debunked
Side: flat
2 points

Long ago, when people in Europe wanted to go to Asia, especially China, they usually went East, but Columbus went West but still make it to India, if the Earth was flat, I think he wouldn't make it back home. I'm not sure if this story was true but I think that Columbus first thought about the Earth was a sphere when he saw a boat like it was rising up from the sea when stood at the port but when it came closer, he realised that it was actually travelling on the water surface.

Side: Spinning ball
3 points

A computer loop like on pacman. You go through the left side of the screen and come out on the right side of the screen. Pretty simple logic.

Side: flat
2 points

No

The earth is not flat.

It appears to be flat because we are small and we are standing on a very large ball. The earth is 23,000 miles in circumference. At that size the slight angle of the curve makes it look like the land drops off just beyond the horizon.

Side: Spinning ball
1 point

if the earth is flat, then why do bridges accommodate for the curvature. Snipers also accommodate for the curvature of the earth when shooting long distances. I have seen no photographic evidence of a flat earth or the edge of the earth but have seen hundreds of photos of a curved spherical earth.

Side: Spinning ball

It's so sad when people who claim to be graduates exhibit such degree of illiteracy....

Always shouting the bible claims the earth is flat when none of you have ever read the bible before.....

i can only imagine who's taught you's how to learn at school.

Isaiah 40:22

God sits above the circle of the earth. The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them

Another bible space prediction....

Job 26:7

God stretches the northern sky over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing.

Side: Spinning ball