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god for the scientific mind

this video is epic and it shows what the tenth dimension is like, and if you look back at my arguments, this is what i meant by everything happening all at once, this is what the ancients experienced http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ca4miMMaCE&feature=related

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The conclusions of this video are all based on the assumption that time is the fourth dimension. Sure, it works out mathematically, but so does using income as the fourth dimension, or any other linear quantity. It seems to me that time is fundamentally different from the three spacial dimensions. The three spacial dimensions are all interchangeable, but time is different. Personally, I think that time is just a measure of rate of change, and isn't really a dimension at all. You can't go back in time because there's nothing to go back to. All the matter and energy that was there at that time is now here in this time.

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Weird. I never thought about it that way. I had watched that video before, and had at least agreed on the time aspect, but how you say it makes a lot more sense.

Change over time is more logical than some time-tube thingy.

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Wow. Thank you. I don't think I've ever changed anyone's mind before. This feels pretty good. :)

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well the higher dimensions after the fourth dimension are timeless dimensions, things happen instantaneously, and you can visit all possibilities in any instant, sure you can attribute duration to anything, but imagine how much happier we would all be without a schedule to get things done, if we werent always in a rush we would be a lot happier, and actually time is mathematically more applicable in this case than anything you stated, you are right, time is a measure of change, but if we dont measure the change, then well... idk ill go research

LeRoyJames(372) Disputed
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well the higher dimensions after the fourth dimension are timeless dimensions, things happen instantaneously

The fifth dimension was just a flat surface through which different possible timelines could run, but there is still distance between any two points on this surface. The narrator also said you couldn't travel from your poor self directly to your rich self, which wouldn't be true if this were really a separate dimension.

The sixth dimension was just invented as a way to fold the fifth dimension to allow you to travel directly to another timeline, and this is probably what you're referring to as all things happening simultaneously, but here you can only travel between different points in the fifth dimension where folds through the sixth dimension happen to take you. Despite the fact that you can fold a piece of paper, there's no evidence that actual dimensions are naturally folded, or that we can force them to fold whenever and wherever we want.

After this, all of the odd dimensions seem to be more branchings of timelines, with different possible endings and different possible beginnings, and the even dimensions just seem to be imaginary dimensions that you need to be there if you wanted to be able to fold the odd dimensions so you would be able to travel from one point to another quickly. However, I don't see any physical reason why these dimensions need to be there.

The tenth dimension seems like the interesting one. All he says is that strings vibrate through the 10th dimension, but he doesn't say what that dimension is. To me, this one sounds the most like a physical dimension (not counting the first three).

but imagine how much happier we would all be without a schedule to get things done

That doesn't make it true. Our wanting something to be true, or thinking that it would be nice if it were true, has absolutely no impact on whether or not something is actually true.

Emperor(1348) Disputed
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No, LeRoy is saying is that there isn't a way to view all of time at once.

It's just one set up of atoms and energy, present during the Big Bang which change. To a living thing, it looks like time, but without humans looking at the universe, time as we know it doesn't exist, only change. That allows things to move over time, along with radioactive decay.

That's why you can't remember the 14.6 billion years before you were born. There wasn't "time", only change that atoms that are inside of you now were part of, but you are not able to remember.

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Or something like that. It's rather confusing, I suppose. I'm not even sure it makes sense anymore... I'll also have to go do more research and perhaps experiment. If what I say has no evidence behind it, then it's no good.

LeRoy seems to be an expert though.

God? Far from it.

This video was a bit overwhelming the first go around. Had to watch it twice to comprehend it. I found the video enlightening, and definitely plausible. I enjoyed it.

Nice video, Feelingtruth.

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i know im rewatching it alot, its awesome, but the tenth dimension is "gods mind" (or higher dimensions, but after this video thats extremely mind boggling) what religions were referring to as seeing all from creation to the end times, al possible outcome of every single universe.... o.O

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How do you know it's gods mind?

There is no evidence for this assertion.

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All possible dimensions and all possible timelines?

No, I don't think that that is really possible. Although there are many possibilities, like I said before, even if it was true, it's unprovable and useless. It doesn't describe the reality we're in, it only talks about ifs and coulds and things that aren't really true or real. Thought experiments, but not real experiments.

It's not science.

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but dont you see this is exactly what shamans have said, so it makes you wonder how they had this knowledge if they were just primitive superstitious people, i believe its true, i was laughing the whole video, and this is what mayans meant by ascending to the 5th dimension, leaving space and time and money behind as we know it

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String theory is not unprovable or useless.

Now, supposedly it is possible to prove string theory, supposedly by seeing the very vibrating strings that make up all of existence. It is theorized that in order to see these vibrating strings, we would need a particle accelerator the size of a galaxy. As for how much energy that particle accelerator would need...I do not know. I'll make a random guess and say possibly the entire energy output of a few thousand stars.

Can't remember where I heard that information, so take it with a grain of salt! In the meantime, I'll see if I can find it. I'll update this post if I find it.

For all practical purposes, string theory is unprovable at least in the next few thousand years if I had to guess.

feelingtruth(2776) Clarified
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holy shit ive never heard that, thats a pretty big particle accelerator xD

Emperor(1348) Disputed
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No, string theory is possible, but it's not accepted as scientific theory. There's no reason to believe that string theory is true, despite how nice it sounds because there's NO EVIDENCE.

Science must rely on facts and evidence or else it falls apart. Even if it's true, a person who thinks it's right is right for the wrong reasons at this point in time.

We can't know, so asserting it as truth, and then building more conclusions off of that assumed truth is no good. We just gotta wait until it's possible to know.