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Debate Score:138
Arguments:64
Total Votes:178
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 how can we make cd better? (64)

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how can we make cd better?

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6 points

Actual debate, rather than pop culture bullshit (such as backgrounds and self-aggrandizing forums).

Side: Intelligent debates
4 points

Some of the pop culture debates I don't mind, but the debates and points which are just put up there for people to get points is what annoys me!

Side: Intelligent debates
5 points

i agree ! the stuff i put up are isssues that actually matter to me, or things that i'm curious about. i think people should do the same.

Side: Intelligent debates
2 points

I just got an idea that would work with the forums. After looking through some of the "Debates" I realized that there are a lot there that aren't really "Debates", but more like advice.

If we had a forum then we could have advice threads that might eliminate these from showing up as debates.

;^)

Side: Mini-Forum

How about preventing people from asking who they should vote for? I mean, how should I know? I have a low efficiency rating! I had to go through pages of political stuff to get to the recent debates.

Side: Intelligent debates

Case in point Joe! You do have a low efficiency rating but that does not reflect your ability to engage in a terrific debate. If someone were to judge your intellect or knowledge on that rating alone, some here wouldn't bother to debate you and that would be so terribly unfair. I didn't want to point you out so I'm glad you stepped up. I'd debate with you any time or day of the week.

Side: No Identifying Marks or Symbols

I think I have a low efficiency rating because most people don't want their established view of the world to be challenged. On the other hand, if your mind is too open, your brains will fall out ;)

Also, for whatever reason people feel compelled to vote. Maybe it makes them feel empowered. Me, I'm like, "Well, if that what you believe..., whatever." I don't waste my time voting them down. For all I know they may be right ;)

Side: do nothing
1 point

Haha, I know what you mean there. I sort of went on a vacation from CD when all of that was going on, and I'm glad I did.

If you need someone to tell you or debate for you who to vote for whereever, maybe just let everyone else vote... just stay home.

Side: Intelligent debates
3 points

Add the ability to not only edit a new post but to also delete it. One time in a yes/no debate, I added my argument to the wrong side, and couldn't delete it.

Side: delete arguments
2 points

A way to prevent repeat debate topics would be nice. I also wish that if there were people with low efficiency scores there was some way to indicate that. Maybe a red box around their icon?

Side: delete arguments
4 points

Maybe simply replacing the raw score next to a user's name with their efficiency would be a good idea.

Side: Effeciency instead of Raw Score
0 points

Or rather the efficiency score of that entire side of the debate next to their raw score on the top of the debate itself.

Side: Effeciency instead of Raw Score
2 points

Hi Kirstie1126! Repeats are bound to be there once in a while and most especially if someone has just joined CD or by others if the topic hasn't been brought up in a while. The debate topic may be new to a whole new audience as well!

Why, if I may be so bold to ask, would you wish to have people's low efficiency scores highlighted? What would that tell you? That they're not worth debating with or that they may not be as intelligent as others on the site? It's a very arrogant and telling statement which reminds me of "The Scarlet Letter" and the Jews in Germany during WW II who were forced to wear a yellow Star of David as a mark of identification.

Side: No Identifying Marks or Symbols
kirstie1126(480) Disputed
1 point

Yes, it would tell me that they are not worth debating with. Or we could do it in reverse, and give a color indicator to those with a HIGH score. Other wise, what is the point of this number? We already have the reward points listed by our names, why can't we include this efficiency number, too? Frankly, I find this number to be more important than the number of times some one has posted some thing!

On a personal note, I don't appreciate being called arrogant and be compared to the Nazis. There are lots of measures in life which we use on a daily basis to classify people, this is another example of that.

Side: No Identifying Marks or Symbols
jessald(1915) Disputed
2 points

Repeat debates can have some value. When a debate gets stale it falls off the front page and doesn't get much attention. Thus new arguments don't get looked at by many people and the filtering value of up/down voting is lost. Also high rated arguments can become entrenched at the top of a debate, making it hard for potentially better arguments to displace them. Repeating a debate gives us an opportunity for a fresh start.

Side: No Identifying Marks or Symbols
1 point

Hey! I resemble that remark!

BTW, how does one get to be provocative?

Side: flag anythinjg with joe cavalry
2 points

Something is wrong with the algorithms. I already asked Ludacris about it and he said that it will all be fixed when they launch CD2008. So hang tight Joe! You will regain your glory soon enough as the most provocative person on CD. [:

Side: flag anythinjg with joe cavalry
2 points

Final verdicts on debates. As seen in the following link.

Side: Have a Final Verdict
pvtNobody(642) Disputed
3 points

There already is a final verdict...if the debate has an end date. But most don't so there really can be no final verdict.

Side: Have a Final Verdict
Bradf0rd(1431) Disputed
1 point

That's actually NOT a good idea, or at least I don't think so. There are too many debates that I see flipped to the wrong side, and not because the people on the "winning" side are right, but because they are backed by most people... You get what I mean? If it's a matter of opinion, you already sort of have this function by the voting or use of the tags... If it's a two sided, you have the problem that I mentioned up there, of having most (maybe) wrong people on one side, and few people on the other with better arguments.

Side: Intelligent debates
altarion(1955) Disputed
2 points

Well my personal idea, if you looked at the arguments that I put in that debate, was to have an effeciency score, because you are right, if you have more people on a side then you will most likely have more points, but the efficiency score is not suaded by how many people a side has. It only matters on how good of debates that side's supporters can bring up. You see what I'm saying?

Side: Effeciency instead of Raw Score

How about the ability for the moderator to create multiple tags ahead of time so that people don't have to create a new one if they don't want to, they can just select one created by the moderator.

Or have CD say, "Joooeee" every time I join a debate (like in that sitcom, Cheers, where Norm would walk in and everybody knew his name and they were always glad he came).

Side: Effeciency instead of Raw Score
1 point

Great idea, Joe!

Side: Effeciency instead of Raw Score
2 points

A lot of this would be solved by allowing people to vote on debates. The issue of quality debates would be taken care of if it was used right. This works fine on digg, and I think it would be essentially the same operation. Even if it's not an "intellegent" debate subject, if people like it they'll vote it and it'll be on the front page. People could still go argue in debates that aren't that important or likable to others and it won't make it to the front page. This makes me think that it won't actually detract from the usefulness of CD's frontpage, only bring things up that are argeeable. So in short there's no real downside, only an up. I might be missing something, so correct me if I'm wrong.

I still would like to see a philosophy category, but that's just me. Even 99chan had a philosophy category and all of the *chans are imageboards. I think there's more to debate about in philosophy than there is to post pictures on, and 99chan's philosophy board was always pretty active.

(99chan is sort of down right now or I'd link)

Side: Mini-Forum
2 points

Great thoughts, Bradf0rd. I totally agree, I want to make something like that happen.

Side: almost perfect
2 points

Add the ability to shamelessly point grab, so people don't have to go through so much trouble. Like a big button that says Shameless Point Grab on it, and when you click it, it just adds more points to your side, so you don't have to actually try to do anything, or even look like you did.

Side: almost perfect
1 point

by leting us make our profile have backgrounds.... and having a mini fourm that we can just chill out in

Side: backgrounds ftw
3 points

The mini forum sounds like a good idea to me. In some of the debates it seems like people are just looking for an excuse to chat, rather than actually having a debate. A regular forum could be a good release valve for that.

Side: Mini-Forum
2 points

You know there are a lot of philosophy IRC rooms that shoot topics out at the people in them and they'll debate until it turns into a troll party where everyone's just attacking everyone else.

Perhaps someone could set up an IRC room for CD? I would but I don't have anything that could act as a server... anyone else?

I think this is what the townhall's based on, and idk if that's still around, but I never see people there, or I never did... maybe just make that more accessable. I think that was a java based IRC thing on the page, so you wouldn't even have to have your browser open if that's the case. Just grab a varient of X-Chat and enter the channel.

The only issue with that is having a real-time joe cavalry...

Side: Mini-Forum
1 point

Basiacly eeything I think is good excpet for te fact that some jsut create deabte for pions. I tihnk we ahve all done it though at least once.

Side: almost perfect

Maybe we can flag debates we never want to see again. For example, on Netflix you can select not interested in what other people have found interesting and they'll never show you that again.

Side: almost perfect

Make the "New Debate Activity!" more like the "New Argument Activity!."

Side: almost perfect

The reason that this website is dying, is because nobody is intelligent enough to post anything worth debating over. Also, banning Joe's arguments wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Side: Intelligence and no Joe
1 point

It starts with the people. Take the log out of your own eye, instead of pointing out the splinter in someone else's.

Side: take the log out of your own eye
1 point

Here's an idea. Have specials every Tuesday, or whenever, like every Tuesday is clam chowder day, and make up some kind of debate or discussion on clam chowder, that way every Tuesday people can come in and just discuss clam chowder, and nothing else. Sound reasonable?

Side: take the log out of your own eye
1 point

Get people to talk more. Some people already talk enough, but some need to talk more. Get these people to talk more. Some way to get them to talk more would be to encourage them, like by telling them they made a good point. Or maybe by complimenting them, like by saying "Hey, you're wearing some really swanky shoes today, and I mean that in a good way." That might get them to spend more time here.

Side: take the log out of your own eye
1 point

You can threaten to close down, then people will be all afraid, and plead not to close it down, and then you can get them to do whatever you want, like spend more time here. Some might call that extortion, but so what.

Side: take the log out of your own eye
1 point

Have dancing naked chicks on the screen. People love that stuff. Or just have a dog chasing its own tail. Yes that will work.

Side: take the log out of your own eye
1 point

Give away a free tank of gas to the first person who (fill in the blank). That will motivate people to participate more.

Side: take the log out of your own eye
1 point

You may not be able to make create debate better. But that's no reason not to try. So i say try.

Side: take the log out of your own eye
0 points

maybe to make our profile more expressive friendlly, like to only show things on our profile that we want people to see. like i personally would rather my most recent arguments and messages were showing on my profile because i find it irrelevant to what people should have to say about my debates.

maybe some decorative touches wouldn't hurt on our profiles too. i like expressing myself through my page and my layouts and stuff; any page that i use is covered with things i think people would find interesting about me...the music i like, my favorite colors, my interests... [http://www.seemylocker.com/profile/tonicole]

i'm just one who's not for uniformity and for making things you're own, but that's just me. c[:

Side: take the log out of your own eye
-1 points

Make a mirror site with no javascript. None. Javascript is evil. No fades, pop-ups, delays. I don't want to hear my PC fan spinning up when I read the debates.

Side: take the log out of your own eye

Does you PC fan really get that worked up over debates?

Side: take the log out of your own eye
1 point

Ha, I don't think this js is so intensive though. I have a mac, and js sucks for mac or just hasn't been implimented right yet for it... whatever it is, too much js will crash anything that it's running in if it gets too much. Flash is like that too...

I have an iBook G4 (1.42Ghz G4, 1Gb DDR333, 32Mb Radion 9550 @AGPx4) and it handles CD like a rag doll. I can't imagine anyone having a problem with it.

Side: take the log out of your own eye
0 points

It's not too intensive but it doesn't add anything for me. I could easily live without full-screen fades. Content is king for me. Don't get me started on Flash.

I just clicked 'submit' and guess what? 'Submit argument without a tag?' just faded in. The 'Don't show this message again' seems to ignore my wishes. Grrr!

Side: take the log out of your own eye
1 point

yea!!!!!!!!! it would be realy good

Side: Fixed