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I believe there is more to this world than what we see everyday whether it is God, the Great Spirit, Wakan Tanka or what I don't know but I believe there is some kind of supreme being or beings
I don't have any good arguments to explain why, its just what I believe, maybe its wishful/hopeful thinking, I just think there's more to existence than meets the eye, its not neccesarily God as in a bearded old guy sitting on a cloud but I just believe in some form of higher power be that God or whatever people choose to call it.
Possibly, its not neccesarily a conscious entity though, it could be the power of nature, or the spirits of our ancestors or even the spirits of people who have previously attained enlightenment.
There's also the theory that a God exists but we're just his experiment and he doesn't neccasarily answer our prayers and that he's just kicking back and watching what transpires
The point is no one has the answers to Gods existence Atheists, Muslims, Christians or any of the myriad of belief systems or religions out there none of them can say definitively that God exists or not as it is not provable all we can say is what our beliefs are.
What is dark matter and dark energy? Are they not things that we believe to exist which we know very little about? Could one say they have properties of being supernatural? Isn't God defined as being supernatural?
Well somethings is space can seem supernatural like the collapse of a star or some super cool brown dwarfs. Like the ones the burn at like 500k. Dark energy seems to have some supernatural properties. He just means that maybe a being could be doing that which can always seem silly. But hey it is just a theory.
Your explanation of things tends to be very inaccurate or in least little off. How are those things supernatural if they can be described by laws of physics?
It's nothing supernatural. It's just about composition. That thing can have some kind of atmosphere that may partially block spectrum that is being used for measuring the temperature..
If 500K dwarf is cold because of heavy core and then another with 300k does same... why there must be something special for 80K dwarf.. it's just a same thing. Only thing that changes is density.
Really now? Care to site this so called "proof"? Because i can site the big bang and evolution with all the evidence in the world to support them as well as historical evidence disproving your bible's claims. Balls in your court.
How can you cite them as disproving the Bible? Granted the big bang and evolution is only support of the bibles claim not the "end all be all" but how do you make the jump from proving to disproving?
The bible claims: man came from dirt. The universe poofed into existence. The earth came before the sun. Light came before the sun. Ect. These are all disproven. I shouldn't even have to cite where....it should be obvious.
And how the hell does the Big Bang and evolution support the bible? It directly contradicts it!
Their is a theory that explains how life came from dirt (it explains how apes came from dirt so the came from Christians thing is out).
The bible says when the sun could be visible from the earth when the cloud clear, plant life does not need the visible spectrum to grow and the day that is described in the Bible is declarative in purpose only. Ergo, their not all disproven.
And you should do your own research for that, that's the only way you'll see it.
Suggested reading list:
1. Religion and Science by Russell Bertrand (Oxford Press by the way)
2.God: The Evidence: The Reconciliation of Faith and Reason in a Postsecular World by Patrick Glynn
3. The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom by Gerald L. Schoelder
4. The Language if God: A scientist Presents Evidence for Beliefs by Francis S. Collins
The sun did heat the earth! You just couldn't see it through the cloud cover. The earths atmosphere wasn't as a strong so the heat needed would have been present.
I'm not sure what light you're referring to so I'll adress both. The first light is the first "explosion" by the big bang.
The light created by sun was great enough to go through the clouds and initiate plant life, but the clouds were still their so the sun could not be seen as the light that was seen on earth. Their is no contradiction between the big bang and genesis.
You can see on cloudy day, however you can't see the sun through cloud cover. You know its the sun, but.you wouldn't if.you had never seen the sun. All that passage talks about is yes, that light cones from the sun which was already made but.you couldn't see because of the clouds.
Sure I can see how that can conflict with what the bible says but evolution goes right into Christianity. Man made from dirt = Man made from abiotic matter. It never gave a time frame or anything and never said it could have started with some weird bacteria and evolution brought us humanity. Maybe that is what it meant but hey I dont know. Evolution can go hand and hand with the faith. Now the earth before the sun is something I am not sure about that. Also we never know if it went "poof" or he just created a singularity and let it go or what it never says exactly how he made it. Now light before the sun is actually understandable. I mean anything with heat gives of radiation right? I learned in science class that even we give of radiation. But we are not hot enough and our composition wont let us shine like a star. Also "light" can be released by God. He is known to shine or something like that. The big bang and evolution can slide right in. The bible shouldnt be taken word for word.
It has not been proven by science, if it was then every one would be a theist and also all scientists would be theist, which isn't true as studies show religious belief decreases with education levels.
Its more like it hasn't been disproven by science. Science is a way for us to understand the natural world. As be it all concepts to understand it are created by us, it is subjective to the persons own mind the conclusions drawn from the observations made by science are also subjective.
Its more like it hasn't been disproven by science.
The burden of proof lies with the claim maker, not the skeptics to try and disprove them.
Science is a way for us to understand the natural world. As be it all concepts to understand it are created by us, it is subjective to the persons own mind the conclusions drawn from the observations made by science are also subjective.
Science is in the business of NOT being subjective. The fact that all theories are proven by creating experiments where results can be reproduced accurately and repeatedly is testament to sciences attempts to be objective. I say attempts for only one reason, given that not all the variables in the environment can be exactly the same.
I will not make the positive claim that "there is no god" because i dont know if there is or not. That being said NOBODY knows if there is or not because there is no proof that there is one or not because gods are untestable. Maybe we'll never know but as it stands right now there is FAR more evidence supporting a natural universe with a natural causation than a space wizard poofing it into existence.
How did the universe begin? Both ex nihilio and the singularity of the big bang defy physics, doesn't that imply something beyond the physical realm intiated things?
If they defied physics then they would've been thrown out...they're both physics theories..they're supported by physics entirely...read a book would ya? And for what seems like the hundredth time to you people, EVEN if these theories WERE to be proven false that would not automatically mean god was the only theory left. Your god will never be an answer to that question because your god is based in myth not science. These theories would be replaced with alternative ones, probably branching from the science that would've disproven them. There's also quantum graphity that comes to mind. That's also another theory. Less evidence for it but still way better than god.
Most scientists now believe that the answer to the first part of the question is that the Universe sprang into existence from a singularity -- a term physicists use to describe regions of space that defy the laws of physics. We know very little about singularities, but we believe that others probably exist in the cores of black holes.
I am not proving them false. I am saying a force outside physics was needed to intimate the, and probably will be needed for any other following theory.
Most scientists now believe that the answer to the first part of the question is that the Universe sprang into existence from a singularity -- a term physicists use to describe regions of space that defy the laws of physics. We know very little about singularities, but we believe that others probably exist in the cores of black holes.
Who or what cause the bug bang to happen? Who or what set the singularity in place to start the big bang? Since the singularity defies physics, who or what decided when it expanded?
Collins, a pioneering medical geneticist who once headed the Human Genome Project, adapts his title from President Clinton's remarks announcing completion of the first phase of the project in 2000: "Today we are learning the language in which God created life." Collins explains that as a Christian believer, "the experience of sequencing the human genome, and uncovering this most remarkable of all texts, was both a stunning scientific achievement and an occasion of worship." This marvelous book combines a personal account of Collins's faith and experiences as a genetics researcher with discussions of more general topics of science and spirituality, especially centering around evolution.
Glynn (Inst. for Communitarian Policy Studies, George Washington Univ.; Closing Pandora's Box, LJ 5/15/92) considers the recent trend away from the atheism that tends to characterize most scientists (as revealed by surveys) to what he calls a post-secularist perspective, an openness to the role of the divine. In clear, crisp prose, he examines the work of physicists who again see purpose in the design of the universe (the anthropic principle), the role of religion in the work of some contemporary psychologists (most notably M. Scott Peck), the relation between religious faith and bodily health, and out-of-body or near-death experiences (Elisabeth Kubler-Ross and Raymond Moody), and the disastrous effects of value-free sociology. Writing from a Christian perspective, Glynn provides an excellent summary of the current status of the relationship between religion and science that will appeal to a variety of readers. Recommended for all collections. [For more on the relation between religion and science, see Connie Barlow's Green Space, Green Time, reviewed on p. 110, and Marcelo Gleiser's The Dancing Universe, reviewed on p. 111.?Ed.]?Augustine J. Curley, O.S.B., Newark Abbey, N.J.
-?Augustine J. Curley, O.S.B., Newark Abbey, N.J.
Uniting staunchly opposed viewpoints into one groundbreaking new perspective, this startling and timely work illuminates the complete interdependence between Biblical reports and modern scientific discoveries. Comparing key events from the Old Testament with the most current findings of biochemists, paleontologists, and physicists, Gerald Schroeder resolves age-old debates about miracles, the origins of the universe, the first life on Earth, and the meaning of free will. Through thoughtful, engaging discussions--even using Einstein's theory of relativity to validate a six-day creation timetable--The Science of God ultimately proves both Darwin and creationists right.
I honestly am shocked and laughing at the comment "God is real and was proved by science" I do not know what science shows he watches but it's clearly in a "Christian approved" book.
We could in fact say the exactly opposite yet same thing. God has proved himself wrong, or more accurate to say Christians have prov-en god wrong.
1. The bible states that the world was created something like 5000 years ago if I'm correct. Okay so what about all the hard proof and items that existed before that time? 5000 was roughly when man developed farming and agriculture.
2. Noah's Ark: There's no possible way it could have happened, the world's atmosphere and oceans hold no where near enough to even graze the surface of the the mountains let alone cover the highest peaks. Also if they were the only ones who survived what proof is there that what Noah said was true? There is zero hard evidence for God it is all 100% rumors, gossip and hearsay.
3. A lot of what the bible said has now been prov-en wrong many times. The world is much much older than the bible says and that is now a hard fact and I don't understand people who still believe that all this "Evidence" is lies. How stupid or brainwashed can you be?
4. The attitude and rudeness of "Christians". I quote them because these days they are very extreme on their side. There's no open minded polite Christian any more, when I try and give my side and good reasons they simple yell at me for being a person going to hell or they say I am a terrible person who doesn't love man. I'm sorry but I read the bible, to me it was an instruction of how to be a slave. A man not allowed to bury his dead father? Selfish? Jesus was a cold hearted hateful human hating person. The bible basically says "Do not live for yourself, live for me, an invisible unknown all powerful being that you will never be given any proof exists" If that isn't slavery I don't know what is.
Don't take this as me saying god is bad and any deity is bad, I am a mixed belief person. I believe in higher beings or "God" just not the Christian god, he is clearly the devil. Prov-en by religion itself.
I sway more for the Japanese Shinto, not the same deities but I believe in the same thing, there is no almighty being but there are deities which watch over us and our planet, one for the oceans and one for the earth and sky etc. Because in the end we live thanks to our planet. And it makes much more sense, we are killing the planet so the deities won't protect us. They provide us with a safe healthy place to live. We have to respect that and respect them, Shinto is an excellent from of religion.
Buddhism is also another which I follow for there is no God but a way of life, one simply follows rules to being a good human being enlightened and attaining greater wisdom and knowledge.
Also to add that when you Christians were in charge if we brought up the fact that we thought god didn't exist we were burned at the stake, we provide hard evidence and debates, and we are label'd as the rude ones and aggressive ones.
