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is the problems in the hood whites fault or blacks?

i say its the whites fault because they put us in the initial situation that lead to were we at now. how it is when you raised in poverty, it makes it much harder to get out. raise any white kid in a fucking crack house he gonna be a crack head ya feel me?

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blacks

Side Score: 19
3 points

Why do white folks go to Black garage sales?

To get their stuff back.

What does a black and sperm have in common?

Only about 1 out of two million actually work.

Side: whites
1 point

raise any white kid in a fucking crack house he gonna be a crack head ya feel me?

Exactly. You know whose fault that makes it? PARENTS. But that only goes so far. After a certain age, let’s arbitrarily say 18, you can’t blame them anymore because your own choices begin to make your own consequences.

There is no reason that a house in poverty necessarily has to be a house awash with substance abuse, physical abuse, and filth. Plenty of homes in poverty avoid these obstacles, and the children have a tendency of being much better off than their parents.

Side: whites
3 points

i say its the whites fault because they put us in the initial situation that lead to were we at now.

Yet your still whining? It’s incredible that the Italians , the Irish and Jewish people lived in dire poverty in the U S when they first came and ghettos of New York had people from the four corners of the world living in abject conditions yet they elevated themselves mostly by hard work and endeavor

how it is when you raised in poverty, it makes it much harder to get out.

For you yes as the victim card is suitable to your pity me narrative , get a fucking job and go to night school instead of whining and rapping about the “man “

raise any white kid in a fucking crack house he gonna be a crack head ya feel me?

Statistically maybe , but there are many who don’t .....but please go on and blame the white man because your unfortunate Mam and Dad blow money on crack that should be spent on you because we are making them .......Where’s that violin ......

Oh sorry I forget the .....Ya feel me .....dawg

Side: blacks
Cocopops(347) Clarified
2 points

In one thousand years time the Bongo will still be crying into his beer blaming the white man for their low intelligence and lack of enterprise.

Most African countries are underdeveloped because the brains of their Bongo inhabitants are also underdeveloped.

Side: whites
1 point

We opened the floodgates in Europe all courtesy of our fawning over the top P C ass licking politicians and what have we got nations of welfare cheats and scammers from every part of the shit hole called Africa who play the system for all its worth , claims have gone through the roof also as the brutes swamp our systems with bogus claims.

The worst culprits are the Nigerian beasts who thrive on scams just type in Nigerian scammers on the net and see how many emanate from that shit hole of a country , even in Africa these brutes are renowned for fleecing there own

Open borders be damned build a fucking wall and be quick about it

Side: blacks
1 point

raise any black kid in a fucking crack house he gonna be a crack head ya feel me?

Exactly. You know whose fault that makes it? PARENTS. But that only goes so far. After a certain age, let’s arbitrarily say 18, you can’t blame them anymore because your own choices begin to make your own consequences.

There is no reason that a house in poverty necessarily has to be a house awash with substance abuse, physical abuse, and filth. Plenty of homes in poverty avoid these obstacles, and the children have a tendency of being much better off than their parents.

Side: blacks
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Exactly. You know whose fault that makes it? PARENTS.

Obviously not because that creates an infinite regression where the parents who were raised by bad parents in turn become bad parents. It's the fault of a system which has institutionalised poverty and then declared war on the only escape: drugs.

Side: whites
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

PARENTS. But that only goes so far. After a certain age, let’s arbitrarily say 18, you can’t blame them anymore because your own choices begin to make your own consequences.

Side: blacks
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Butt Lunch have you checked with Chicago lately ????? Are the facts going to scare you Troll ?????????????

Side: blacks
1 point

The only reason there is any hint of crime/race correlation for people that were born and raised in the US is because there are deep-rooted historical racism issues. This country was founded on racism, still has laws to this day forcing segregation, and constantly has too many people convinced that racism isn't a big problem. So, yes, the problems in the hood are most definitely thanks to white people, ranging from the Colonies to the founding fathers the people today. And the people that think otherwise and refuse to allow their eyes to be opened are included in those maintaining the problem.

Side: blacks
Jody(1791) Disputed
2 points

What's the difference between a black and a white fairytale?

White begins, "once upon a time," black begins, "y'all motherfuckers ain't gonna believe dis shit!"

Side: whites
2 points

You can take the BONGO out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the Bongo.

Side: whites
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

The only reason there is any hint of crime/race correlation for people that were born and raised in the US is because there are deep-rooted historical racism issues.

The only reason there is any hint of a crime/race correlation is because there is a crime/poverty correlation and black people are disproportionately poor. You’ll find higher rates of crime among poor inner city white people as well.

This country was founded on racism

This country was founded in racism. That’s because everyone everywhere existed in conditions of blatant racism by today’s standards. What the country was founded on however, were principles that were the foundations on which the entire world began to move past racial distinctions.

still has laws to this day forcing segregation

Which ones? Specifically.

So, yes, the problems in the hood are most definitely thanks to white people

Which specific white person? My best guess would be Lyndon B. Johnson. His war on poverty essentially halted the historic trend of declining black poverty.

Every single white person I have ever met has had nothing to do with the conditions of black people. Every single black person I have met has, like every white person, had the most significant impact on their own circumstances. Every single person I have met who refuses to take responsibility for their circumstances is significantly worse off than those who take responsibility.

Side: whites
DragonBorn(315) Disputed
2 points

The only reason there is any hint of a crime/race correlation is because there is a crime/poverty correlation and black people are disproportionately poor.

Funny how you used to deny that poverty leads to more crime when I brought up the point. Seems like intellectual integrity and honesty is lacking among those who accuse you of intellectual cowardice just for being intellectually not retarded.

What the country was founded on however, were principles that were the foundations on which the entire world began to move past racial distinctions.

First of all racial distinctions? No, the problem isn't racial distinctions, it's when certain races are denied the rights and opportunities granted to others on the basis of race. If there weren't any "distinctions" then the word race wouldn't even exist.

Second of all America was founded on capitalism, not liberty, that is just a bunch of honeyed words that George Washington sold to his troops to get them through the war which was also fed to the public so they would back the revolution. The rich white guys leading the revolution wanted more freedom for themselves first and foremost, everyone else was an afterthought.

Which specific white person?

The thing is, looking for people to blame is the primitive retarded reaction of a type 0 being that believes in free will. There is no one to blame, because it is all a result of culture and conditioning. What has created the African American ghetto sub-culture is the conditions that were created by oppression and slavery, so even if they are not being directly oppressed now they are still being conditioned through generations of poverty and poor education because white supremacy has manufactured those conditions and perpetuated them for hundreds of years prior to their relatively recently granted equal rights under the law.

Side: blacks
2 points

The only reason there is any hint of a crime/race correlation is because there is a crime/poverty correlation and black people are disproportionately poor.

You literally plagiarised this line directly from me. The fact that you don't credit your sources -- and in fact regularly attack them -- tells us all we need to know about your credibility (or lack thereof).

Side: blacks
panjen(8) Disputed
2 points

Sorry, my fault for not backing everything up with sources. I forgot that the people arguing for this usually know nothing about the details of history on the topic.

The only reason there is any hint of a crime/race correlation is because there is a crime/poverty correlation and black people are disproportionately poor. You’ll find higher rates of crime among poor inner city white people as well.

Well duh. I was talking about the root issue. Why are they disproportionately poor? Are you one of the people that will try to say it's their culture" Or will you say it's their biology? Their natural place? I would hope you don't think any of those, but if you do I'll tell you right now, you're wrong. They are all so disproportionately poor because of racism, because of the segregation that happened for so long and so aggressively. But yes, I agree that there is higher crime because of the poor areas. It just obviously isn't a natural thing. And as promised, citation to back me up- https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ race/reports/2018/02/21/447051/systematic-inequality/

This country was founded in racism. That’s because everyone everywhere existed in conditions of blatant racism by today’s standards. What the country was founded on however, were principles that were the foundations on which the entire world began to move past racial distinctions."

Ha, right, and proof of the world being round was enough for everyone to believe it. If that was true, why are black people still very much discriminated against in every path of life? Black people have a generally lower chance of even getting to a decent place in life. https://mffh.org/news/the-american-dream-what-are-the-real-chances/

And nah, I meant on racism.

Which ones? Specifically.

Well, in case you're taking it this way, I need to clarify I am obviously aware that no laws explicitly say "black people can't do this or that." But various laws work together and, using previously created separations, keep the segregation strong. As said in that post I mentioned last, black people are largely poor. Being poor, thanks to the way our schools are currently funded, means you get shittier schools in the area. So, they're poor, going to school in an area with people living the same kind of life as them, and they aren't likely to grow up and be able to afford college to get a better job, they may not even leave the area. This forces them to stay where they are and it's why we haven't had more progression. Because you're right, the constitution in theory should have been for improving society, letting it progress. (Even though, the founding fathers clearly didn't see black people included in that progressions, considering multiple of them were slave owners.) I mean, in a couple hundred years you would think that if everyone or at least the leaders of our government wanted to progress then we wouldn't have such obvious segregation and so much institutionalized racism? But instead, we only "legally" got rid of slavery 100 years later and technically legalized their voting shortly after, but have yet to get rid of literally everything that still stops a lot of them from voting. (https://guides.loc.gov/15th-amendment)

Which specific white person?

First of all, obviously not every single white person has worsened it, just like not every black person is poor and not every white person is rich. By "white people," I mean as a group in society, and most of them have contributed. All the people that aren't specifically racist, but don't and didn't want to help with them getting equal rights, they're all contributing. There are plenty of specific white people that started things that made it better over time (like Lyndon B Johnson), because white people are in power and genuinely wants to help, and that's wonderful. But there are plenty of white people in power (many more) that started something that made it worse. No specific white person can make it worse on their own, nobody can be specifically blamed for this because if it wasn't a group, and especially the majority group, then this institutionalized racism would be still going strong today. But if you really want one person that is definitely getting groups going that is making it worse, I can confidently name Trump for that. The KKK has literally grown in his presidency. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kkk-trump-membership-rise-grown-record-pace-says-leader-chris-barker-a7905811.html) The whole group of people that pretend to not be racist but have power in denying black people of anything at all (housing, food, transportation, etc) and make it look like their rejection was a completely different reason when there clearly is no other reason that makes sense? Those people are probably the biggest group helping keep most black people in their corner.

Every single person I have met who refuses to take responsibility for their circumstances is significantly worse off than those who take responsibility.

You keep acting like I am talking about every single person, like I'm making a blanket statement. When I talk about certain races, gender, ethnicity, classes, etc., I, just like most people when talking about society, mean in general/the majority/on average. I don't think it's fair at all to say that every single person is 100% responsible for how their circumstances is at all fair. I am not responsible for the fact that I can't afford to live on my own right now, because that is due to me going to school very full time and working as well. People that are born to homeless people are not responsible for the fact that they grew up homeless. People that were raped at a young age and now have to live with an STD along with all the trauma and societal attacks that go with being sexually assaulted, they are not responsible for their situation. The only one making legitimate blanket statements here is you hun. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/05/us-inequality-poor-people-bad-choices-wealthy-bias)

Now that I've backed up just about everything I've said, I would love to see you try to disprove me doing the same.

Side: blacks