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jesus is mesua no mesua
Debate Score:42
Arguments:32
Total Votes:43
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jesus the mesua

i think no i know jesus is the mesua beacuse he raised people from the dead he did all these great things oh and how is easter about jesus beacuse he got crusifed because he said he was a mesua and some people called him a blasfemer but he wasnt he is and still is the mesua  and i have profe. the people how wrote the bible scripts they saw jesus and they are not liying he is a mesua.so please corret me.

jesus is mesua

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no mesua

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Jesus did make life easier its just the way you live your life that decades that your life is going to be easy or not and with the help of god and Jesus you will be going through life like a rota beer float but you have to be faithful and pray for that to happen.and yes he is the Mesa how ever else dose not agree with me tell me.

Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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Jesus did make life easier its just the way you live your life that decades that your life is going to be easy or not

There are tons of outside influences that make life harder.

Side: no mesua
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he is the mesua like i said how else saved the jews from the romans.

Side: jesus is mesua
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yeh but if you pray and be thankfull it will be easer and follow your mesua jesus

Side: jesus is mesua
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The title "Christ," which was applied almost interchangeably with the name "Jesus" by Christians from the New Testament era onwards, comes from the Greek for "Messiah."

The Messiah is a Jewish hero-figure predicted by the Hebrew prophets to save the Jews and bring justice to the world.

Christians believe Jesus was and is this Messiah; Jews believe he is not and still await a future messiah. Presented below are basic outlines of the reasons given for both views.

Reasons for Jesus as Messiah (Christian Perspective)

Christian Argument

Jewish Counter-Argument

Jesus was born of a virgin. Matthew 1:22-23 fulfills Isaiah 7:14. "Nowhere does the Bible predict that the Messiah will be born to a virgin. In fact, virgins never give birth anywhere in the Bible. This idea is to be found only in pagan mythology. To the Jewish mind, the very idea that G-d would plant a seed in a woman is unnecessary and unnatural." (5, p.31)

"The Hebrew term in Isaiah “almah” which means a “young woman” is mistranslated as “virgin.” Honest Christian scholars now acknowledge that this is “a pious fraud” and now (see the new Protestant “Revised Standard Version” of the Bible) translate the word correctly." (5, p.33)

Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Matthew 2:4-6 fulfills Micah 5:2. Jesus was likely born in Nazareth - the Bethlehem story has no historical foundation.

Jesus was from the line of David. Luke 3 fulfills Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24; II Sam. 7:14; I Chr. 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6. A tribal line cannot be passed on through adoption, so Jesus cannot be "son of David" through Joseph. A tribal line also does not pass through the mother, and even if it did, Mary was not descended of David through Solomon. (6, p.2)

Jesus' side was pierced on the cross. John 19:33-37 fulfills Zechariah 12:10.

Jesus was the Suffering Servant. John 12:37-38; Acts 8:30-35; 1 Peter 2:21-25 fulfill Isaiah 52-53. Isaiah 52-53 is referring to the people of Israel, not to the Messiah.

Jesus was God. John 8:58 fulfills Isaiah 9:6. "Nowhere does our Bible say that the Messiah would be a god or G-d-like. The very idea that G-d would take on human form is repulsive to Jews because it contradicts our concept of G-d as being above and beyond the limitations of the human body and situation. Jews believe that G-d alone is to be worshiped, not a being who is His creation, be he angel, saint, or even the Messiah himself." (5, p. 31)

Reasons against Jesus as Messiah (Jewish Perspective)

Jewish Argument

Christian Counter-Argument

The true Messiah is to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem—but Jesus lived while the Temple was still standing. Jeremiah 33:18 Jesus will do this at the Second Coming.

The Messiah will reestablish Jewish religious law as the law of the land.

Jeremiah 33:15 Jesus will do this at the Second Coming.

The Messiah will save Israel." In the case of Jesus, the very opposite took place. Not long after his death, the Holy Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, Jerusalem was laid to waste, and the Jews went into exile to begin a 1900 year long night of persecution, — largely at the hands of the followers of this self-styled Messiah!" (6) Jesus will do this at the Second Coming.

He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). Jesus will do this at the Second Coming.

The Messiah will return all exiles to their homeland. Isaiah 11:11-12

Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3

Hosea 3:4-5 Jesus will do this at the Second Coming.

Jewish response to counter-arguments: The claim that Jesus will fulfill the Messianic prophesies when he returns does not give him any credibility for his "first" coming. The Bible never speaks about the Messiah returning after an initial appearance. The "second coming" theory is a desperate attempt to explain away Jesus’ failure. The Biblical passages which Christians are forced to regard as second coming don’t speak of someone returning, they have a "first coming" perspective. but jesus is the messua belive i just told you the facts jack so please tell me im wrong which i now im not

Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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Jesus will do this at the Second Coming.

Jesus is not the Messiah, because he will become the Messiah when he comes back.

Side: no mesua
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but the jews got saved by jesus the messia wright !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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No, they haven't been saved.

Side: no mesua
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he is and the Jews did get saved they are just making the wrong decisions now

Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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No, under your line of thinking they are saved when they die by changing their decisions. Which means they still need to die in order to be saved.

Side: no mesua
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im right

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Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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I still don't see how.

Side: no mesua
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hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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Good bye.

Side: no mesua
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you now how you say Jesus is going to be the Mesa on the 2 coming well after he was resurrected he came back and that was his 2 coming and Jesus are ready did a lot more coming he is always in are hearts so he always comes and when he came back after he was resurrected the Jews did get saved and once they got saved they wrought the bible parts and in order for the Jews to still be saved Jesus said you have to follow the bible then you will continue to be saved so boom he is

Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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you now how you say Jesus is going to be the Mesa on the 2 coming

Not me, Christians. Christians are waiting for the second coming of Christ.

well after he was resurrected he came back and that was his 2 coming

Not according to anyone but you.

Jews did get saved

No, they haven't.

have to follow the bible then you will continue to be saved so boom he is

So, before Jesus showed up you had to follow the Bible and what for him to show up and save you. After he showed up, you have to follow the Bible and wait for him to show up and save you. Doesn't sound like anything changed.

Side: no mesua
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so please tell me if im wrong dude i just gave you proof....................................................................................................................................................

Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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No, you didn't give any proof any where.

Side: no mesua
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all I'm going to say now is you be live what you be live and i will belive what i want dude OK

Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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You can believe what you want, but you can also be wrong.

Side: no mesua
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i will belive what i want but your theory may be wrong to and all we now they might not even be god or like Jesus

Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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I haven't said anything wrong here though.

Side: no mesua

Bigh, have you ever heard of a practical thing called punctuations?

Side: jesus is mesua
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yes its just faster with no periods.........................................................................

Side: jesus is mesua
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Side: jesus is mesua
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Side: jesus is mesua
Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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It doesn't help that you are wrong then does it?

Side: no mesua
5 points

I don't think he ever became a tree, although I could be wrong on this. I know he tried to talk to a tree at one point, but this does not prove that he was a tree, nor that he was one of the Mesua genus.

Side: no mesua
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Damn you. Damn you and your awesome knowledge of species names. That's a good one.

Side: no mesua
2 points

(Google)

Side: no mesua
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I was under the impression that the messiah was supposed to make life so much better. I believe Jesus failed with that.

Side: no mesua
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i think no i know jesus is the mesua beacuse he raised people from the dead he did all these great things oh and how is easter about jesus beacuse he got crusifed because he said he was a mesua and some people called him a blasfemer but he wasnt he is and still is the mesua

This doesn't fulfill being the "mesua".

and i have profe.

Unfortunately, you don't have enough for proof.

the people how wrote the bible scripts they saw jesus and they are not liying he is a mesua.

Chances are they are lying, someone along the way is lying, or whatever is written down is not an accurate recollection.

Side: no mesua