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sure religion is a way to cope but that doesn't mean that God is not real. or that using religion to cope is for the weak or that its a placebo. when I was a atheist i used to believe all that. but once I found God, or really once He found me!--I found that it IS so much easier to navigate thru life here when you know God is with you. being in Gods Will and Word is like going with the grain instead of going against it. Going with the Flow. Swimming upstream instead of DOWN. breathing in The Spirit and not drowning in SIN!
a secret I know from when I was a atheist: most atheist are secretly jealous of Believers and wish they had something to Power them thru life like we have. so...that bitterness fuels a lot of their ditribes against us.
False. it's a way to cope with the inherent evil of moral relativism. as my right and another's right are not the same. I hold true that those who are deserving of punishment will receive it in an afterlife.
Religion is used by the lazy minded who choose only to believe what there told and pick the easy route of God made all this!! its simple and convenient and it covers everything in one broad statement, where as the rest of us choose to seek the truth and not to fear death but to explain what's in front of us and what's happened before us.
If you need god to cope with life then your weak, man up and face reality!!
I take it your one of those weak, lazy minded people who believe there is a god who created the world in 7 days hahahahahaha random, and let his son die on the cross hahahaha mindless, and failed to tell his disciples the world is older than 5000 years and there were dinosaurs before man hahahahaha, apologies for laughing so much its just incredible that anyone can believe such dribble! how can anyone read any religious text and find it credible on the basis of words written in an age where human intelligence was so limited, hence anyone who believes it has limited intelligence.
Go hug a cross or something your boring me! you clearly lack the ability to have anything credible to debate with. shouldn't you be in some shitty church praying to a statue or something? or eating bread and drinking wine! the body and blood of Christ hahahahahahaha!!!! it makes me laugh everytime I debate with people like you!!
I'm not answering your stupid question, debate! don't ask questions about lettersn spaces zzzzzzzzz!!! boring!! come back with something credible that can be debated with, I know you god lovers lack ability to do that because you have nothing other than your own individual faith and belief, only weak minded people can be brainwashed and follow a myth, grab yourself a telescope and look up at the universe and tell me that was create by a man in the sky???
we have asked questions that's why were atheist, we continue to ask questions and seek answers with facts, religion is the one who needs to ask questions then answer with facts which we all know wont happen.
I hate Muslims more than anything and if they were one on here to debate with they would be my first pray!! but I hate all religions and will attack anyone of faith!
Lazy minded? Some of the greatest thinkers thru history were religious. Up till the 19th century most scientists you read about in your school history books were religious. Guys like galileo and Newton. The founding fathers of America were Christian. Most off the great philoxophers were Believers in God.
And if you think it's the easy way out to belive in God and try to live in His word then you have a lot to learn about us Christians. This easiest thing in the world is to not believe in anything and criticize us. And post quotes from guys like Dawkins and Voltaire. Nothing is easier than being a nihilist. Now that's lazy!
Your confusing intelligence with lazy minded, intelligence is relative to your field of expertise, these great minds you have named may have been intelligent in there selective field, but were lazy minded in there beliefs, they choose the easy simple route, which was probably down to social norm of the environment they lived in.
Believing God is easy, your told god made earth, not how he done it, what formula he used, how he come up with the idea of using the moon to control the tides, or how he come up with the idea of using volcanos to create more land! or why we have seasons, or why he decided to spin the earth anti clockwise then send it round the sun, or why he used Tec tonic plates instead of one solid crust, and why he failed to tell his disciples buy the way the earth is not 5000 years old and there were dinosaurs before you, they didn't work out so I made humans, religion explains nothing!! its nothing but broad statements so what's not easy about that?
I beg to differ. all that you've just said is false. if I was "Lazy minded" I wouldn't have doubt. which is a crucial component of faith. or I wouldn't choose to make and support a compatibility view
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I believe in god but still seek the truth. those two things are not mutually exclusive.
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if I'm weak for believing in god, then you're stupid for believing he's all about blanket statements and blind faith, and frankly, you believe everything you're told because not all us theists don't drink that koolaid.
If you have doubt then why do yo have doubt?? and its far from a crucial component to faith so what your saying doesn't make any sense!
if you believe in god what truth are you seeking??
Blanket statements are religions saving grace, one answer can cover a broad range of issues, religion is weak in evidence and for the weak minded, if I believed everything I was told I would be a religious nut job, but I don't believe everything I'm told because I have strength of mind to question such dribble.
Faith is a trust in god. my trust falters, but it tends to works out fine anyway. doubt is an inevitable part of trust. when your trust is thin for someone in the real world, but someone succeeds in their trusted duty, the trust is reinforced. Doubt is therefore crucial to build trust and faith. a tragedy comes, your faith is shaken, but in the end it works out.
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I believe in God, and I seek the truths of the physical universe. I seek the same truths as those who are not theists, and not religious. I however also seek some things which are beyond the observable universe. which are "Weak in evidence" but they do not exist, as the part of the universe that has physical evidence. so there cannot BE evidence. that's why there's logic and reason
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so keep on drinking that Koolaid brother. I reiterate that if it was for the weak minded, it would be an easy philosophy to hold, and be a proponent of scientific study. A religion'sFundamentalists may be weak minded, may be weak minded for not questioning the doctrine but you cannot lump all of theism into fundamentalists. and you cannot lump all of "Religion" into Theism.
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So lets be clear here, who is the real weak minded puppet? the person who has to have evidence to prove anything he's ever platformed for, or the person who can function in logic and reason and pattern and not need to worry about physical evidence?
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so what do you say about a god outside of observation? does that mean he doesn't exist?
You have trust in god? what trust what has he done personally for you to gain your trust? if you think about it, anything you think he has done has been your own doing! he's physically done nothing, so how can you have trust in nothing?
If you seek the same truths of the physical universe, and view the complexity and scale of the universe ant think this was created by a god??? please where's the logic in that!
what the hell is Koolaid?
The person who has to have evidence can be clear that this is the truth, that's a logical method of practice, if your defining religious people as people who function on logic, reason and pattern, then your sadly miss guided, there is nothing logical about religion, there are no patterns hence the variation in gods across the world.
The human mind is a powerful thing that can be easily manipulated, each individual religious person will justify there faith in there own way, they settle for what they deem the truth really quickly because its easier to do that rather than to question and question to seek evidential truth, that's what I mean by lazy minded.
God outside observation defies logic, why observe what's not there only what you think is there? believing something is there doesn't amount to anything proving something is there justifies your logic, that's not being a puppet, blindly following a faith is more akind to being a puppet!
God outside observation defies logic, why observe what's not there only what you think is there? believing something is there doesn't amount to anything proving something is there
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So then what you're saying is we shouldn't send out submarines to categorize the life that might exist in the lowest point of our oceans. after all it ~"defies logic... to observe only what you think is there" Do you even hear yourself?
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the fact is YOU CANNOT PROVE THE EXISTANCE OF GOD. therefore, if you believe, it is on faith. I have a hypothesis that humans survive death. problem is, dead humans cannot support my findings. so the only way to know for certain is to die myself. and since I'd rather do that later rather than sooner, the truth is uncertain. which means you seem to be blindly assuming that the world that you cannot see does not exist. and that is utter and complete bullocks.
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what would you say about the existence of aliens? that they don't exist because you've never seen them? do you realize how stupid that is? non-observation is not proof of non-existence. likewise an inability to observe does not disprove a notion by a lack of evidence. AS THERE CAN BE NO EVIDENCE. if you're seriously so dumb as to say that something does not exist without evidence to it's existence you're guzzling that secularist Koolaid. and I'm done talking with you.
However, it's a very different thing to say that evidence is the "accepted truth" if a Dragon flew over your house tomorrow and torched your privet hedge, then disappeared without a trace the fire department showed up and asked how it happened and you said "dragons!" they probably wouldn't believe you. as it's common knowledge that dragons don't exist. and your anecdotal tale is not good evidence. in this hypothetical case, dragons are very real but there's no evidence that they are. so the accepted truth is they aren't real, but your personal truth says that they are. we cannot reject the notion that the dragons aren't real simply on a lack of evidence. but all we can know for certain is that the bush has burned. some more people come and say that they too have seen the dragon, but they're liars and are coming for the publicity. as such the public story becomes very different than the truth of the situation. but deep down you know that dragons are real, and the public is lying. the public suspects it's an elaborate hoax and as such, the murmur dies down. the dragons exist, there's no evidence they're real except a lone truthful eyewitness, and everyone believes them fake. in this example, the accepted truth is that there are no dragons. but the accepted truth is wrong because of a lack of evidence proving the existence of dragons.
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so, back in the real world you can personally choose to reject the notion of a God, you can reject the dogma of a religion. but your accepted truth that there's no god because "there's no evidence" is flawed. you cannot disprove a notion purely on the grounds of no evidence. you can however reject it, that is your freedom to do so. but you seem to be attempting to "Debunk" it. which is not likely happen.
The bollocks that your spewing can only be justifiable in your mind, religious nuts like yourself say god was here he and made this earth, which means there should be evidence here to support that theory?? when we send submarines down to the bottom of the ocean its to explore and find new life LOGICAL!
And your nonsense of Humans deify death is laughable, you wouldn't be dead if you survived, ILOGICAL??
as for aliens they don't exist until there's proof? you cant use that argument as God is supposedly here now and he made this earth?? nothing stupid in gaining evidence of proof before believing, its stupid to believe devoutly in something that has no proof?? ILOGICAL!!
As for Dragons it would be down to me the claimant to prove this is the truth by producing evidence regardless of what I've seen.
And my argument is far from flawed, with the claim that religion makes there should be a wealth of evidence and proof for all to see, and for you to say that having a stance of evidence first before belief is flawed is foolish! would you take a medicine pill on the back of someone saying this pill will cure your cancer or illness without having evidence to support that claim?? ill answer that for you No you wouldn't!! its the same principle! so go grab yourself a big can of shitty Koolaid and sit back, look to the sky and see if you can get the big man comes down to help you?
Religion is many different things to many different people. A coping mechanism is one of those things but that's not automatically the one and only reason for it.
Do you think the Dalai Lama is religious "to cope"?
As a way of coping I would say yes as I believe without a mechanism for coping one would simply go crazy.
Someone posted that sometimes it's harder to be a Christian than not to be, I however say it is more times than not harder to be a Christian in a world that embraces evil. Look through history and see How Long have Christians been persecuted? Has anyone asked themselves why all this fervent hatred towards Christians? Clearly there were those who hated Jesus himself even as he pointed out you have seen the miracles I have done and yet you still want to kill me,
(New Living Translation John 10:32
Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?")
one has to ask the question why? I believe some where it says we don't hate you for the miracles you done we hate you because you call yourself the son of God and that alone is worth crucifixion?
To be a Christian and live in a society where killings and murdering his take place time and time again, in fact it is ceaseless. Though we Christian should do what I've seen done in various courts in America I find more courageous than what's inside of me to see a Christian stand up knowing that their child, loved one was viciously, savagely attacked for no other reason then some idiot felt they could get away with it and that loved one says to that predator "I Forgive You" I know it's wrong but I have the question myself every time I hear those words, "man, I don't know if I can do that!"
If I were to speculate as to why there are those who hate Christianity it would be my assessment because people do not want to be held accountable and definitely Christianity is all about making us accountable. People want to be able to steal, lie, kill, torture, rape, hate and not be held responsible for any of it!
I guess your ignorance of the term 'winklepicker' is the reason why you are reminded you of your own penis. Do you have to use a pin when extracting your ''wee willy'' from your trousers for a pee,or do you sit down to empty your bladder? A winklepicker is a shoe with a very narrow toe cap, with which you could do with a good kick up the arse.
yeah i AM ignorant of what winklepicker means, since real men don't wear 'em.
but ya know, i DO sit down to pee once in awhile. began years ago when I hurt my back and the doc told me not to lift anything heavy for a couple weeks.
Gee I wonder why Christians cope with life so much better than non christians.
Christians can cope with having Babies while non christians can not. Many non Christians feel the need to end the life of an unexpected baby rather than coping with the choices they made.
Who are the weak ones?
Why do so many non Christians feel the need to support the Democrat party and big government so it will take care of them.
Well, I'm from Northern Ireland and therefore don't, nor indeed am able to, support any of the U.S. political parties. However, I've observed firsthand how religion has caused death and destruction on an industrial scale here for countless years. If there is a God, then he should be thanked and extolled for the British Army and the local security forces, the Royal Ulster Constabulary and the Ulster Defense Regiment, ( not to be confused with the terrorist organist organization, the Ulster Defense Association) whose presence and bravery saved many 10's of 1000's of lives and enabled the citizens of Northern Ireland to lead an almost normal life among the sectarian bombs and bullets. Religion as perceived by the mindless masses continues to cause 10's of 1000's of deaths every year throughout the globe. It's not really the teachings of the many religions which is at fault, but the fact that people who believe in some mythical deity as conjured up by, and explained by, mortal human beings with over vivid imagines are to a greater or lesser extent devoid of the ability to make logical appraisals of the world in which they live or of rational reasonings. If you're not a Muslim you're liable to be blown up or beheaded. If you're a a protestant in Northern Ireland may be knee capped by catholics. If you're a catholic you also run the risk of being knee caped, 'between the ears'. All the worldwide inhuman atrocities are in the name of religion, and all carried out by the ''faithful' mindless morons.
I'm Irish too. But born and raised here in the USA. I have Always been sympathetics, supportive even, to the IRA. If I was raised in Ireland I probably would have joined them. Though I'm too young to have fought during The Troubles, which ended, what? Back in the late 90s?
England? Get the fuck out of my country!! Is what you should be saying. Winkie poo.
You are a pathetic bigot! Those idiots in Northern Ireland were not Christians if they killed those who did no harm to them.
Muslims are the only religion I know of that murders on behalf of what it's doctrine says.
True Christians are told by God to love their enemies. The Christian faith is a about love towards others and bigoted fools like you sit there spewing pure lies about the Christian faith.
You talk about catholics having strict discipline in their schools and then you compare that to ATROCITIES? you idiot!
Hypocrites like you support killing our most innocent of unborn Babies and you have the nerve to talk about atrocities from religion?
GET REAL! You believe in fairy tales that have no clue how the first living cell came from nothing. You have the nerve to judge other's who do not believe in your theory?
Well, no shit Sherlock! I be telling you cats for months that religion and belief in sky gods and long dead Jewish carpenters who come back to life is the sole province of those who wince and even cringe or cry at the thought of navigating life on lifes terms. And knowing that we are on our own and must take care of ourselves. And that all men are NOT created equal. Or, hell, even created! But rather are just another evolved animal spinning around on one of the universe's trillions of rocks.
this is unfair and way overly harsh. just because we're Christians doesn't mean life is all peaches and roses for us, that we get some sort of magic pass. in fact its sometimes even harder than it is for a non-believer, and for sure harder than for a iconoclast person that believes in nothing. how easy is that?
