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should abortions be made illegal

just out of curiousity what do you guys think!

hellz yeah!:)

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3 points

Women who go through an abortion have to always carry that thought with them. They often wonder what their child would have looked like, acted like, and what type of person he/she would have been. No matter how strong a woman is, an abortion causes mental anguish that never truly goes away. At least with adoption a mother or father has the chance to see what their child has become.

Whether you are for or against abortion, these 7 reasons why abortion should be illegal tend to cause the thought process to churn. 30 of the 50 states in the US had laws making abortion illegal, until the decision of Roe v. Wade nullified these restrictions. After 1973, abortions were made legal all through the US, yet many would be more than happy to see them made illegal once more. Do you feel abortion is a woman’s right or something that a third party should decide?

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I 100% agree with you:).....................................................

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3 points

Murderers will murder.

Rapists will rape.

You can teach them right from wrong but at the end of the day, if this is what they believe in...

Murderers will murder.

And Rapists will rape.

And therefore, the "will" and "want" can't be denied because it is illegal. Unless the person wants to do good in a evil mind.

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churchmouse(328) Disputed
2 points

Then we should have no laws that prevent people from doing anything they want. Rape should not be prosecuted because people will do it anyway. Drugs shouldn't...child pornography.....child abuse......etc.

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TheThinker(1697) Disputed
2 points

Im not saying that we shouldn't have laws. Im saying that something non tangible won't stop human beings from being cruel to other human beings. Law is untangible words. It won't stop a serial killer from killing. And we see murder and rape in the news today. You think law, which has been around for centuries, stop killing? Rape? Child Pornography? This is what i has been talking about. "Stoping" cruel acts instead of preventing cruel acts.

And in a way, i do think we shouldn't have laws. I don't think we should stop preventing cruel acts but in a way, law is pointless.

Edit. No. law is not pointless. In a way, it is effortless because we still have killings today. But law has made society a more peaceful place.

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3 points

No, Not for the reason of birth control but for one simple reason. Rape, it happens alot sadly. And most girls dont want to give birth to the child of there rappiest thats why I think it should be legal

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2 points

Yes. The people who support it wouldn't have when they were in their mom's womb.

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chatturgha(1631) Disputed
3 points

Your argument is a vast presumption. What is most or all of the people who are for abortion were a planned child by their parents? Or an unplanned child that they wanted to keep? You can't just point your finger at the opposition and say, 'Yea well their parents didn't love them so there, I'm right'. It makes you look immature.

How about you actually give a reason why it should be made illegal instead of acting like a child?

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3 points

In trying to sound 'smart' and 'mature' by assuming and making it a big deal that I sound 'childish' you actually sound pretty childish yourself. I guess you either have first hand experience or maybe a friend or family who went through abortion to have to be so offended.

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2 points

And, the modern version of the Hippocratic Oath doctors take doesn’t specify that doctor are only to save people and make them better, but it is expected of them. The classic version of this oath actually has the phrase, ‘…I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy.’ and the original Hippocratic Oath states, ‘…I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.’ Any mention of not performing an abortion has been taken out of the Hippocratic Oath, but not from the minds of people who expect doctors to save lives.

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1 point

The scientific definition of when life begins is "when the genetic code is complete". That is at conception. Neither a sperm nor an egg is complete, so that is not a human "life".

Abortion should be legal only if the mother's life is at risk, but it has gone too far. It is now used for birth control which is ridiculous. Prevention is much easier and less risky. Abortion is a surgical procedure and not without risks. Abortion also has long term psycholgoical effects, whether admitted or not. The idea that "women now have control over their own bodies" is a misnomer perpetuated by the big business ethics of abortion providers. It's all about money to them, so naturally they want women to think that way. The act of killing one's own child is not an indication of a progressive society. We will not progress until we educate ourselves into using alternatives. That means PREVENTION (or adoption)

Getting pregnant, then killing it doesnt make sense. Why get pregnant? There is no reason to get pregnant when birth control is available.

Abortion also does not consider the rights of either the child or the father. Abortion IS the taking of a life, no matter how it is worded. It is a life, in ONE of it's developmental stages.

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Thank you for this post.

In every abortion there are three participants. The mother the baby and the doctor. And more doctors than you think become very depressed over the line of work they are in. How does abortion affect the one doing the actual killing?

One abortionist confessed, “As a physician I’m trained to conserve life and here I am destroying life….I guess I feel guilty because according to the Hippocratic oath you’re not supposed to do abortions. So how could you be trained and raised one way and suddenly be told it ok to do it?” He went on to talk about his experience with saline abortions and the fact that the fetus moves around before the injection, thrashes around immediately after it, but then the movement ceases: “You know that there is something alive in there that you’re killing.”

Magda Denes, In Necessity and Sorrow, New York: Basic Books, Inc.

Other internal conflict………..The abortionist who has to change gears from practicing obstetrics and protecting pregnancy to a terminator and the killer of a pregnancy.

“You have to be a bit schizophrenic. In one room you encourage the patient that the slight irregularity of the fetal heart is not important, everything is going well, she is going to have a nice baby, and then you shut the door and go into the next room and assure another patient on whom you just did a saline abortion, that it’s fine if the heart is already irregular, she has nothing to worry about, she is not going to have a live baby. You have to make a 180 degree turn, but somehow it evolved in my own mind gradually.”

Magda Denes, In Necessity and Sorrow, New York: Basic Books, Inc.

I don't care who they are...people know what abortion is and does. And if doctors can feel guilty and have depression over it.....then why is doing abortion a good thing? How does abortion bring families together?

Abortion should be illegal period.

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1 point

That's true- expunging words and phrases doesn't legitimize evil in the minds of compassionate, reasonable people. Doctors have traditionally been, and should still be, human instruments of healing, not paid death-dealers to unborn children.

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2 points

abortion should be made illegal because first the baby did not asked to be born the mother had choice in engaging in intercourse or not and just because she made a mistake she wants to kill the baby because she doesn't want responsibility and also if they guys who get the girl pregnant would get more supportive and mature the girl wouldn't have to take a desperate measure like that. now if a girl is raped that's different i think the baby would be a reminder but i don't think she should kill it theirs always adoption or foster homes or even keep the baby yourself . babies are a miracle of life and shouldn't be taken away they don't deserve it

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I agree with you nice argument!;).......................................

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1 point

Umm,

I have taken the stance of abortion....and it wasnt because I didnt want the responsiblty it was due to the fact that I dont have money to support (let me guess I should think about that before I have sex.....), and its definitely not because my partner (my boyfriend of 5 years) is very mature and supportive.

There are many reasons why I chose this route. And just because it doesnt live up to your standards does not mean Im wrong

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1 point

Making an abortion is very harmful to women because it stopes her pregnancy and it can have bad consequences. I believ that abortion is as the same as killing person! I take the view that abortion should be banned, except cases when there is danger to the life of a mother or a child.

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I 100% agree with you!:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

You may "believe" that abortion is the same as killing, but what you believe is wrong. It is a cluster of cells with no more brain power or self-awareness than an insect. Morally eating chicken is closer to murder than abortion.

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Wilsum(4) Disputed
1 point

At what point does the "cluster of cells" become self-aware? 3 months? 6 months? Is a new born baby self aware? Any more than it was moments before birth while still in the womb? Where's the cut off line? Is not abortion still killing even if it's just an unaware cluster of cells? Because that unaware cluster of cells does in fact have life. Anytime you terminate life you kill. Is it morally okay to terminate human life at any stage in its development? Does it not make sense to look at a human life on the whole, from beginning to end/from end to beginning, and consider each stage of a person's life equally worthy? To not think deeply about these questions, and to not come up with some satisfactory answers, is being extremely reckless with human life.

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Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

Terminating your own child is wrong, no matter what stage of development it is in or how self-aware it is.

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churchmouse(328) Disputed
-1 points

You simply are ignorant.

Here go watch this and then you tell me if its only a clump of cells.

And by the way the heart starts beating at around twenty days after conception.

http://www.silentscream.org/

Tell me david........what is every abortionists goal? Is it to preserve and nurture life or stop it? And what is another name for stopping it? If you want to swat a mosquito from your face and get rid of it what do you do? Ya kill it....right? So what does the abortionist do?

Here are pictures of the clumps of cells you call nothing.

http://prolifeamerica.com/4D-Ultrasound-pictures/

Have you ever been pregnant David? Ever felt a baby move in your belly? Ever had someone congratulate you on the cells you are carrying? Have you ever said to someone.......when is the clump of cells due? How is the clump of cells? Do you know the sex of the clump of cells your carrying? Or hear someone say...I am going to a clump of cells shower? What are you getting the clump of cells for the clump of cells shower?

Get real.

The facts are clear on this......and backed up by science. Life starts at the moment of conception. It is a new life...nothing potential about it.

Who cares about brain power......i question your brain power in this debate. Do mentally handicapped or challenged people deserve less of a right to live than you do? Show our rights to live be determine by our IQ?

For you to compare eating a chicken to a human beings life shows how imcompetent you really are to debate this. How do you live David? How many ants have you smushed on a sidewalk? How many have you killed when driving down the road? Have you ever swatted a mosquito? Ever gone fishing?

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chatturgha(1631) Disputed
1 point

Making an abortion is very harmful to women because it stopes her pregnancy and it can have bad consequences.

Stopping the pregnancy is the point of the abortion. Why is it harmful to the women if she chose for it to happen? All surgery has possible consequences. But sometimes, the consequences of a possible child are much higher.

I believ that abortion is as the same as killing person!

Sometimes it is, but sometimes it's not.

I take the view that abortion should be banned, except cases when there is danger to the life of a mother or a child.

Then you're not banning it if you're allowing it in any circumstance...

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1 point

If abortion isn't murder and is morally acceptable, why is a miscarriage so sad?

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chatturgha(1631) Disputed
5 points

If abortion isn't murder and is morally acceptable, why is a miscarriage so sad?

Because people who abort don't have miscarriages.

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2 points

You are right abortion is done with premeditation a miscarriage is not. No woman pays to have a miscarriage...they pay to kill their child and that is called abortion. And many people agonize and mourn over a miscarriage and losing a child.

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1 point

I believe that abortion should be illegal, because it's ending a life. Some consider abortion to be murder since the being inside the mother is living. The definition of something living includes the ability to grow, which is exactly what is going on inside a woman who is pregnant. An abortion ceases the growing process, therefore ending the future life of a human being. This little being may not start off with a heartbeat or brain activity, but cells are still dividing and allowing it to grow.

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1 point

Secondly, children can’t and don’t ask to be born, this is purely an option only adults have. Whether the woman chose to get pregnant or not, pro-life individuals feel that abortion is taking the right to live from a human being. This is a right that an embryo cannot defend. Some people say that humans only get to exercise the right of choice once they are old enough to reason, but others feel that a competent adult can also speak for those who are unable to do so on their own.

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1 point

Thirdly, Adoption is always brought up when people talk about aborting an unwanted child. The idea of aborting a child who would make a welcome addition to another family’s household is expressed by many pro-life individuals. There are tons of people who get rejected when they apply to adopt a child, which makes the idea of adoption seem far-fetched to these individuals. However, most people feel putting a child up for adoption is much better than going through an abortion.

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2 points

There is no such thing as an unwanted human being in this case a child. Someone would love to adopt, someone would love to nurture..a child. To use that excuse is ridiculous.

Many people also feel that if I cant have the child.....no one else will either...and I can live with abortion better than knowing my whole life that its with some other family.

What they don't realize at the time is that abortion does not always go away. Women suffer in silence over their abortions......I know I did and I was suicidal over it. It took over thirty years of suffering to come to terms with my actions. It was not fun...for me, my family, my marriage.

Abortion kills. It is one decision that you never can take back.

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karrinar(2) Disputed
1 point

A women that has been raped i think would not want to have or carry that baby it is going to be a constant reminder of the tragic event that has happened to them. also many children dont get adopted all the time and eventually just get kicked out the system and into the streets.through any type of surgery there are going to be traumatic.

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1 point

Everything else has evolved over the year, so why not the idea of abortion? Sure, abortion, child abandonment, and even infanticide were all once permitted under Roman law, but that doesn’t make them humane. Leaving your child on someone’s doorstep or committing murder are both considered a major penalty, so why not abortion?

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2 points

side note: leaving a new born child at a safe haven is legal in most states

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/safehaven.cfm

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chatturgha(1631) Disputed
1 point

Sure, abortion, child abandonment, and even infanticide were all once permitted under Roman law, but that doesn’t make them humane.

Except you forgot that infanticide and abortion are different in the fact that one occurs while the child is just a cluster of cells. I'll admit that killing a conscious fetus is barbaric and should be illegal, but if the fetus is not conscious and emitting brain-waves, it is not a human being. A baby is conscious and a human being. A cluster of brainless cells is not conscious and not human.

Unless of course you consider an amputated limb to be a human being. That's a cluster of cells that has no conscious. It's exactly like a fetus, except it's cells will not continue to reproduce due to the lack of being present in a nutrient vat.

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churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

What do you mean that abortion only occurs when the baby is only a clutter of cells? LOL

Most abortions are done WHEN THE HEART HAS STARTED BEATING.

Nine in ten abortions occur in the first twelve weeks. (Guttmaucher)

http://www.wpclinic.org/parenting/fetal-development/first-trimester/

http://www.birth.com.au/Pregnancy-week-by-week/Week-12

The unborn in the womb is human and it is a being because it is alive...DNA would always show that is was human. How can you say this? Is a brain dead person still a human being? Yes, the heart is still beating.

An amputated limb does not have a heart. And someone can live without a leg. You can cut a leg off and still live.

I can't believe all these posters here who consider themselves such knowledgable in science......would say the idiotic things that are being said.

An amputated limb is not like an unborn.....LMAO

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It should be banned, a baby, be it fully developed or not is still a life, it is not right to take away a life, and abortion may harm to mother too, in other words, abortion should be banned. If it is not right to take away a persons life, then why is it legal to take away a babies life, not even a more than 9 months alive? The baby can feel too, they have life too.

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chatturgha(1631) Disputed
3 points

It should be banned, a baby, be it fully developed or not is still a life, it is not right to take away a life, and abortion may harm to mother too, in other words, abortion should be banned.

It should be banned only once the fetus is as a certain point of development. If it's illegal 100% of the time, then gosh darn it, so should be the eating of all plants and animals! We must resort to eating only rocks!

If it is not right to take away a persons life, then why is it legal to take away a babies life, not even a more than 9 months alive?

Because a fetus is not always a baby.

The baby can feel too, they have life too.

But a fetus is not always a baby, so what does this argument have to do with the morality of abortion?

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abortions should be made illegal because you're taking away somebody else's life. They might not be born yet but it's still like murder.

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chatturgha(1631) Disputed
3 points

abortions should be made illegal because you're taking away somebody else's life.

I agree that killing a conscious human being is wrong.

Unfortunately for the pro-life argument, a fetus is not a conscious human being 100% of the pregnancy.

They might not be born yet but it's still like murder.

Correct. As long as the fetus has a measurable consciousness. Otherwise, it's not murder. If killing a fetus is murder 100% of the time no matter the stage of pregnancy, then eating plants is also murder.

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1 point

baby rights come on!

if he or she could talk i bet he would say, let me live!!!

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1 point

um....lets see.....killing babies? or putting them up for adoption? i choose the latter

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1 point

Abortion is another kind of murder because embryo has also a life. Usually, people think that embryo doesn't have a life until it was born as a baby, but it is totally wrong idea. For instance, when doctors put surgical instrument into pregnancy's womb to perform abortion, the embryo in the womb perceives something wrong and moves and moves in order to avoid the instruments. In other words, the embryo always tries to live. So, we should regard the embryo as a living thing and keep in mind that abortion is not different from murder.

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1 point

Even if it is made illegal people are still going to do them.Sometimes unwanted pregnancies happen or just people are not ready to have children so why have them have a child they are not going to care for.Or is something unfortunate happens like rape that person wouldn't want to have the child of their rapist.Its your body you should be able to whatever you please with it.

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1 point

Hi, Karrinar. I agree with your argument somehow but I think unwanted pregnacies happened by failure of contraception or any other reasons are also the parents' fault, so they need to have a sense of responsibility. In case of unexpected poor case like rape, the government could allow the victims to do abortion. (a juristic act subject to conditions)

I believe whatever the reasons are, nothing can be more than a life.

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1 point

Its murder even Adolf Hitler would be able to see that clearly!

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1 point

Why would anyone think that abortions are right? An abortion is the killing of an unborn child, even if its not completely formed, the baby has everything it needs to develop and start its life.

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1 point

if you had the resposibilty of getting pregnant in the first place, you should be responsible for the kid. thats just like taking a life away. i suggest having the kid and giving it up for abortion if anything.

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vic7898(8) Disputed
1 point

what about rape . young girls carry no responsibility for getting impregnanted from rape or incest . and just being pregnant and giving birth can ruin the mothers life . learn to care more about the living kids and women than the clump of cells u call a life

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1 point

if you had the resposibilty of getting pregnant in the first place, you should be responsible for the kid. thats just like taking a life away. i suggest having the kid and giving it up for abortion if anything.

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1 point

all i have to say is yes i think it should be illegal because killing the child is wrong. even as an embryo it had a heart beat a spinal cord etc so its very much alive. yes adoption is a great choice but killing i just don't see how people can cope with it.

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1 point

Yes. For one, it teaches teenagers that it is an easy way out of a difficult situation. If you feel as though you are responsible enough to have sex, you should be responsible enough to suffer the consequences. Second, if you were rapped, you could just give your child to a home that wants one. Third, if you are a teenager, and have sex without using protection, that is your own fault. It is so easy to go to the drug store and get a box of condoms. It is YOUR fault for not taking action. Fourth, abortion is murder. Murder is illegal. It's Illegal to kill polar bears but not a human? It does not matter how small or big or tall or short a person is. It is a person. Even if it is only a couple of weeks old. Fifth, Abortion puts a a toll on so many people. They feel guilty and depressed. It puts a burden on yourself and you feel so awful for killing a human being. I mean, if you have a disease that would harm the baby like AIDS or any sort of STD, that is a different story. Because you could possibly hurt the child. So, with that, abortion should be illegal.

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I think they should but im to lazy to state my reasons!.......

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Also, not all abortions are handled in a manner that is both sanitary and done by a professional. Abortions can be very expensive, which causes some women to seek services wherever possible. There have been quite a few cases of women dying, becoming sterile from a botched abortion, or ending up in the hospital with further complications. I don’t know if making abortions illegal would help this though. I do think that it would lessen the numbers of women who endanger their lives by looking for abortion services that aren’t up to par.

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I would suggest reading Mark Crutchers book about this called Lime 5. He documents even Planned Parenthood clinics all over the country whose health department records are not even to the standard of any Vet clinic.

He also documents the deaths that happen all over the country. He gives case numbers the state where it occured and what happened in the case.

It is an eye opening book.

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0 points

If you are doing abortion basiclly you are just saying that the kid has no chance to live

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4 points

It should be illegal to take the life of your child, no matter what stage of development it is in.

However, attempting to make it illegal now isn't going to be productive, we should seek to end abortions though other means. The use of, and also the illlegalization of abortion are clear signs that a women lacks control over her body. Promoting excellent sex education, access to contraceptives and so forth is certainly a good place to start. I hope that one day it being illegal is as necessary as a law banning drinking draino.

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your on the wrong side as well...................................

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casper3912(1581) Disputed
2 points

Na, its the correct side. I just provided two complementary views which are properly represented on different sides of the debate, but one dominates.

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churchmouse(328) Disputed
1 point

The woman casper has control of her body...she did during the sex act itself. She willingly (except for rape) invited the penis into her space. She took the risk and everything that does with it....the possibility of getting pregnant, contracting a sexually transmitted disease. She has control and she takes the risk. It is her body. But when she gets pregnant...the life she started is separate from her. It might be growing inside her body...but it is not a part of her body like a liver or heart. The unborn has its own genetic code and every cell is its own. It has its own fingerprints. It is a separate life. Louise Brown the worlds first test tube baby was conceived in a petri dish. Did not take anything from the mother other than the mothers egg the fathers sperm. She was a separate life. The UNBORN IS NOT AN ORGAN OF THE MOTHERS BODY. So if a woman decides to terminate...she is killing that life inside her.

Our government recognizes this casper because there are laws in place that prevent a pregnant woman from being executed. If that in her womb was nothing as some morons maintain here in this abortion debate on this site...then why would this law be in place? What did the jury decide in the case of the Scott Peterson trial? He was conviced not only killing his wife...but as the courts called it......from also killing his unborn son, Connor.

We should have sex education and we do the best in the world. Kids learn about sex at school, they hear and see it on the radio, the internet the television, movies. Kids know how to get pregnant younger than ever today. Our society encourages sexual exploration and is very open when it comes to sex. Today if a young girl gets pregnant she is not isolated and sent off to some home for girls. Today if a person has a child out of wedlock....its not looked at like it was in years past. We live in a sexually promiscuous society.

Making abortion illegal would immediately save millions of lives. We would have more generations of our children..and that is not a bad thing.

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casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

Well the life she started is seperate from her, its body isn't from her body.

Its the same of more grown children as well, who are dependent on someone for survivial; its just their means of connection and who they are connected to is different. That doesn't mean that the child doesn't put some restriction on their body. Yes, termination results in death.

The inconsistenty of the laws need to change, this has alwaysed annoyed me.

We don't have the best in the world, its a joke for the most part. Our society isn't promiscuous, I know of numerous virgins; their that way mainly due to their middle class status and the fact that their main period of development was post 90s(which was a mini-rebellious time period). Every person I know who lost their virginity young had home problems, and ususally a low houshold income. Sex education should include factors that influence how risky of behavior people are willing to take, amongst other things. Truely effective sex education is very holistic and encompassing.

Well making abortion illegal may save many lives, it won't happen in the near future; so why waste the energy on it?

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3 points

Of course not. It`s human rights, their own life, nobody should say anything! If they don`t need baby, for example at young age, why not to do abortion? So it`s really critical question.

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0 points

what about the childs life?..............................................

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0 points

People should firstly think, instead of doing it and then regret!!!

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what about the childs life?..............................................

They aren't technically alive until about 3 months into the pregnancy, it would be the same as killing an ant.

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3 points

They should be legal up until a certain stage in the pregnancy and illegal after a certain stage in the pregnancy.

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2 points

In someways I kinda agree with you but not so much I think you shouldnt do abortion period!!!!O_O

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chatturgha(1631) Disputed
3 points

Why?

You can't immorally kill something that has no soul. Saying you can't is like saying it's wrong to kill a plant.

The only way we have to measure a soul is by measuring the consciousness. The only way we can measure the consciousness is by measuring brain activity. The only way we can watch brain activity is with machines.

Logically, therefore, a fetus doesn't have a soul until it develops a brain while in the womb. Until then, it's a soulless piece of human flesh, like a severed limb.

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3 points

1. Morally eating a pig is worse than abortion, pigs having far more self-awareness than that cluster of cells.

2. We know this because we have this cool thing called science. People who say it's killing a child are misinformed. They feel like it is because of bs christian smear campaigns and bogus youtube videos, but trust the doctors on this one. It's basically a tumor with no more feeling or emotion than an insect.

3. If an individual has some moral dillemma they may choose themself not to have an abortion. What others do however is absolutely none of their business.

4. It's not as if abortion has never been illegal. Making it illegal has never in the history of the world stopped an abortion.

5. Basically making abortion illegal would kill more people than it would save, leaving mothers to pursue abortions in dirty basements instead of clean doctor's offices. No surprise, christians zealously pursuing yet another social issue that would hurt more people than it would help.

6. There are way too many people in the world, and god knows christians don't do shit to help those who are already alive, so what is all of this concern for this cluster of cells?

7. Mind your own fucking business about what other people do with their own body.

8. Technically if a sperm entering the insides of a woman not resulting 9 months later in a baby is murder, god commits trillions upon trillions more murders of this type than every doctor, nurse, mother whatever on earth ever all combined. These psychos should start picketing churches with their self-righteous indignation instead of abortion clinics.

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nicknamechan(10) Disputed
1 point

It may be their body, but the baby inside has the rights to live

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iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
2 points

It's not self-aware or in any way conscious. I'll support this bs witch hunt christians are on about forcing women to their will old testament style when you hypocrits start caring about actual living people, already born.

Until then I'll trust in science and take the simplton nature of these self-righteous replies by you ilk all over this debate as admittance none of you are capable of putting an ounce of logical thought into the debate and you are only here to preach.

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ScienceWins(1) Disputed
1 point

Not in the UK: Technically; the 'baby' (you should really be calling it a foetus because it's only a baby when it's born) has NO RIGHTS whatsoever and is not considered a person.

Source: http://www.abortionrights.org.uk/content/view/50/44/

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churchmouse(328) Disputed
0 points

Ever killed an insect? A bird? An animal? fish?

Then you are immoral and have killed a living creature and should be apprehended and imprisoned.

You should know all about pigs.

Science does not back up what you say in any way shape or form.

What is evident here is your paranoia about Christians.

You have a vile mouth and a vile personality. If anything in society is the enemy its people like you.

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1 point

Ever killed an insect? A bird? An animal? fish?

Then you are immoral and have killed a living creature and should be apprehended and imprisoned.

So you are saying people should go to jail for steeping on ants then? Ahhhhhh.......righto, that's the stupid thing I've heard in the past month.

You should know all about pigs.

Now you're just being a cunt.

Science does not back up what you say in any way shape or form.

You have no idea how wrong you are, how very, very wrong.

What is evident here is your paranoia about Christians.

Hardly, he just thinks it's a stupid religion. And I agree.

You have a vile mouth and a vile personality.

Hmmm yes, because you have met him before and know everything about him, don't you? Swearing doesn't hurt anyone - so get the fuck over it.

If anything in society is the enemy its people like you.

No, it's ignorant people like you.

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2 points

No it should not because why would you want to kill a human baby? Its also murdering of someone when you are aborting a baby.

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your on the wrong side just to tell you!.....................

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2 points

What about cases when kid dying inside mother?

What about poor families? if they are want child but they cannot give to him a happy life...they just create a new human who will be poor and have little chance to achive goals or maybe something like this.

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2 points

I do not believe in killing but... there is a flaw in not having abortions. The world is over populated as is, so more people will not solve that problem. Plus, teens get pregnant and wont be able to provide the best possible life for their children, and are afraid to put them up for adoptions. So no life at all or a hard one.

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2 points

I am against abortion for unwanted pregnancies. However, I am against making it illegal. Making abortion illegal won't stop abortions, it will cause MORE deaths with "backyard abortions" that go wrong. The best way to reduce abortions is through education and easing the adoption process. Other measures could include the provision of free contraceptives.

Another way that anti-abortionists are causing more harm than good is by putting the life of the unborn baby before the life of the mother. In my opinion, the mother comes first.

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Just aying that abortion isn't "killing a baby" That' why they call it abortion. The 'babyin question never even existed, so it can't be killed.

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churchmouse(328) Disputed
2 points

This in over ten years of work in this business is the dumbest response I have ever heard...that and the unborn is not really a human being.

What is it killing...a turtle, a lion, an orange growing on a tree? LOL

The baby never existed? What exists then?

I would suggest casper doing some SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ON THIS BECAUSE HE SCIENCE SAYS AT THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION IT IS SOMETHING...THAT SOMETHING IS A NEW HUMAN LIFE.

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1 point

The fetus is eccepted like a person and nobody have rights to kill him. Of cause there some exception like rape, when the woman need to abort. In other situations it must be banned. I have strongly think that the abortion should be illegal.

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casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

"Baby" is a general term, its unquestionable that a human being is killed during an abortion, and well the term "baby" is technically incorrect; its a terrible argument to play semantic games.

Also, don't bring up "but that human being isn't a human person", its the same as bringing up "but the baby has a soul!", There is only two significant differences between those arguments; and they both have the same flaws.

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1 point

It's clear that there are completely different moral views on this subject - and it is a fairly even split, if not more people (not necessarily on this website) who think it shouldn't be made illegal; therefore, the people who think it is wrong should just not have abortions. There is no need to force people who believe differently to you to abide by your rules and beliefs cough the crusades and every other war based on religion cough

Speaking as a scientist though, I do not have a completely neutral viewpoint - I think that abortion is absolutely fine morally - up to a certain point in the pregnancy. (Even after the 24 week legal limit) People say that the foetuses can feel pain - so can many animals. The difference between a foetus and an animal is just the potential for intelligence. People have sex every day - this potential isn't exactly lacking. When a child is born and later when it can learn is when I personally consider it a true human being. I see a foetus'/baby's/child's development in 3 stages:

1. When it is just a functional group of cells - perhaps it can feel pain

2. When it is able to survive outside the womb without any machines or unnatural human intervention (obviously breast feeding is natural human intervention)

3. When it is able to learn and become a true human being with our amazing characteristics such as logical thinking (some people on this debate seem never have developed that) and compassion for others (not just instinctive).

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churchmouse(328) Disputed
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Of course there are different moral positions...one says killing a living human being is wrong...one says it should be acceptable.

We are a nation of laws...and the people who make them. And you are right there are two camps. We have the right in America to fight for what we believe is right. That is what I am doing.

You say if you don't want abortion don't get one so but out. Should all the men leave this conversation because they are not female and should have no opinion? Are you a male or female? If your a male......I would invite you to leave this has nothing to do with you.

Oh here we go the crusades.....Christianity. This site seems to be full of hateful people...wow. They hate Christians and blame everything on them. Well I am not leaving.

So you are a scientist? LOL Wow. Then you know that when the pro-abort side says the life in the womb is human is wrong. You also know that life starts at conception, right? You know that the heart starts beating around twenty days then don't you?

So you condone the killing of a living human life in the womb. What you do however is to try to soften the blow and make yourself feel more moral about this killing...by saying that morally its wrong then to kill after a certain time...when the unborn just instantly becomes human and worth saving. When is this time exactly could you pin point it...or doesn't it matter? So you think a woman should have the say....then you tell her she shouldnt have a say.....based on YOUR OPINION of when live then is valuable.

My niece was born at 23 1/2 months. She was 1 pound when she was born. She was Valedictorian of her high school class and she now attends a university studying to be a doctor. It was tough but she made it and lived. And you think it would have been morally right to abort her.

There is nothing potential about the life in the womb. There is nothing potential about a newborn...it is a newborn. There is nothing potential about a toddler......it will one day become an adult if it isn't killed, or dies a natural death.

Your view is no more scientific than a barnyard animal who lacks a college degree.

Why do you bring up animals? Are you one of those whackos who think an animals life equals that of a human beings? A human being is just that...its DNA says human. That is scientific, that is a fact. A person who is brain dead, a person in a coma.....is still a human being. You consider mentally challenged people inferior don't you?

I know this......and you would to if you were a real scientist. When a women is pregnant she can feel the baby move. She can sometimes get the baby to move by pushing on her stomach. So if they can feel pressure enough to move...then how can you say they couldnt feel pain?

Let me tell you something you might not know. No newborn could survive on its own without help. A newborn does not have the mental or physical capacity to do it. Many babies need to spend more time in the hospital under medical care. Many are sent home with heart monitoring machines.

IMO your thinking is illogical and immoral and your position does not hang together scientifically.....

What makes you a scientist......? Let me guess.....you bought yourself a laboratory set at Toys R US? LOL

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ScienceWins(1) Disputed
1 point

What makes killing an undeveloped human life so wrong and different to killing an animal?

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0 points

one says killing a living human being is wrong...one says it should be acceptable.

You can't kill something that isn't alive mate. The fetus isn't alive until about 3 months into the pregnancy - so get your facts right.

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1 point

Hellz... no. without the exclamation point, but with a no.

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1 point

It isn't smart to assume that the world will support everyone's childish dreams. Keep expanding until we die off by the thousands due to overpopulation. Just the facts.

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1 point

So which one of you girls wants to have my abortion?

I do not believe people should be allowed to reproduce. Children are very expensive for society. People should have a proven record of income and a stable life in order to bring a child into the world. Otherwise, abortion should be forced by the state.

END GAME

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1 point

Abortion should not be illegal because although the child may have been conceived it is still technically part of the mother and sometimes due to medical reasons the conceived child may need to be removed due to medical reasons that could cause sickness or other health dis functions. Abortion should only be legal if it poses serious threat to both mother or conceived child, but not illegal all together.

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1 point

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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1 point

No that is a life your ending it should be just as bad as murder. I can understand that you don't want a baby you should have been more careful.Nothing should have to die for your mistake.And if you were raped or something put it up for adoption. I don't understand what sick person came up with killing a baby. What if your mom had an abortion then you wound not even be arguing with me.

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1 point

sometimes accidents happen and those people shouldn't be having children if you look at it that way, sometimes a person is alone or sick or cant afford a child really you have to look and the bad first to realize the good and away the world is already over populated children that are not meant to happen don't by the way i do not believe in any sort of religion.

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1 point

If the mother can die by having her baby then she has the right to "take care' of it. The mother should have to risk her life just to have a baby. Her life is important as is the baby's. a child needs its family and her mom is the only one there, but is also taking a risk to her life. Who is going to take care of the child? Should the child just have no memories of her mother? Then it is most likely that the child would have the same genetic disease.

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1 point

Its the choice of the woman pregnant.

Freedom of choice.......thats all I have to say.

Just because it DOESNT meet your view or opinion doesnt mean you have the right to judge.

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1 point

No deffinately not. what happens if your a teenager or someone who is not ready for a child? you would not have enough money to support them and you wouldnt know how to look after them properly, in short you would totally screw up your life and most importantly THEIRS. in addition there are many women who die from child birth some people just arent built for it.

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1 point

i think it shud be made legal since for many cases of rape where the girl gets pregnant and she has to already live with the tradegy of being rape plus having to see a child everyday as a result of dat. this will jus make life much more harder and emotional for her since every glimpse of that child reminds her of that tradegy... it is quite heartbreaking

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1 point

many persons are not even financially prepared for a child.. yes dey shud pay for their slackness but is teaching dem a lesson worth suffering a child for their life... no it isnt!!! the emotional after effect is part payment for the girl already

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1 point

Overpopulation, anyone??? Why do we need more unwanted children?

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1 point

Also, the woman could die in childbirth- if abortion was illegal she'd be facing excrutiating pain and possibly death, for an accident/rape/being drunk.

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Does a woman have the right to an abortion under the U.S. Constitution? If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.

If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.

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1 point

if u dont like abortions dont get one . if u think they are wrong, dont get one .if u honestly think that just because you dont like it means that no one can get one, grow up . realize that your opinion isnt relevant enought to be pushed on all women and girls in america .

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