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Their is no way a creature with our level of sapience can have sexual relations with a creature of less sapience without the lower creature being taken advantage of. We can weigh the issue down with some idea that so long as the creature isn't fleeing, that it consents, but we never truly know if this is what is desired, or if it is just what is being allowed. I have a cat that allows me to pet it but does not like being pet.
Will if the creature comes to the act it self that shows that the creature desires it. It can still be either way around, the creature may have a bigger desire or the human may have a bigger desire. And what is a better way for the creature to say I desire it then creature forcing the act by itself.
true, but seeing as animals never do just 'have sex with humans' on their own, with no provocation, your argument is void. No animal has ever began a sexual act with a human for the purpose of sexual stimulation, if they had not been pushed to that point by lack of interaction with other animals, or in an effort to get at perhaps a food item spread across the human.
Animals try to have sex with humans all the time. Why do you think they try to hump people lags. Or jump on your back. And the animal doesn't even need to be provocation. They will try to have sex with you and your just stand there minding your own business.
Humping and sex are two different things. A dog humping could mean lots of things, it does not always mean I want to stimulate you sexually. In fact I doubt it ever means the dog wants to stimulate you, what it means to me is that the dog requires some stimulation that (here's the repeat) it isn't getting from any where else. A dog cooped up in a cell for weeks, all alone, will hump just about anything when released. That does not mean it's trying to get you to have sex with it.
Yes true there two different things. But they mean the same thing. True dog will try to hump anything because they try to have sex. Sometimes they get the feeling sometimes not. If the dog is humping your lag it's trying to have sex in that case it trying to have sex with you.
No, it is not trying to have sex with you. I won't insult you by copy pasting the definition of sex. I will only say this of sex. it is when two consent, speaking of the difference between sex and sodomy it involves organs thats can be used to create children (vagina and penis) but that's another debate entirely. Sex is consensual, the dog isn't asking for your consent, and it's not giving consent for you to put your penis inside of it, by humping your leg.
Yes, It is trying to have sex with you. If the dog is trying to hump you then it trying to have sex with you. I know the term sex. But know thinking about it, I don't think you do.
I've stated why it isn't with logical reasoning, all you can reply is a negative to my affirmative, with no reasoning. until you can provide some logical reasoning i think we could consider this a moot point, because i won't nit pick back and forth with you while I'm giving facts and logical reasoning, but you're just asserting a negative answer.
I am not going to argue with you after I am puting facts down. I am not going to reason with something that is not reasoning. all you say is false fact arguments. I just trying to tell you the real facts.
If I cut my brain apart to get at equal level so there would be no taking advantage of. Then would you allow it or would you still come up with another lame excuse.
No need for excuses. You're an idiot already, and clearly do not have an I.Q. high enough to understand that bad touching animals is wrong. Whether you're retarded or otherwise.
I have to dispute this. Sex with an animal isn't rape for the same reason that killing an animal isn't murder. If an aroused animal mounts an unwilling, possibly restrained human, that isn't rape either. If an animal kills a human, that isn't murder either.
Also If I cut my brain apart to get at equal level so there would be no taking advantage of. Then would you allow it or would you still come up with another lame excuse.
I don't like to think about it but it sounds sick. I now alot of things are sick in this world. I just don't know is it wrong. I think it wrong because they can't tell someone that there not ok with it. I just want opinions.
I am with you sister there is alot of sick things in this world. I think you should understand that he or she world not do it if they knew that it is wrong but what I have seen it is not wrong.
My friend goodmale he lives next door to me lol. But no I never seen it but I know that my friend world never hurt his dog. My wife is not happy with it but I tell her get over it. lol I am okay with it they are both happy with each other. So I don't see why is it so wrong.
I am smiling and happy. And you have nobody in your life and your adult with no brain. I don't feel sorry for you. You should have done your homework in school. Please don't post if you don't have something smart to say.
I'm 14 and have a brain. You don't need to get your jimmies rustled over us people who find something wrong with your animal sex. I think your just messing with everyone, but I could be wrong.
I am not trying to hate anyone I just don't like it when people vote against me but doesn't give a big and good argument. I am a person that will walk through hell to be with the one I love. And if you vote against me I can't give the one I love my hole life. I don't want to talk bad about you I am sorry. Just please post something that is at least 1 to 2 paragraphs of why you think this is wrong.
Well, okay then. If you are serious about wanting to have sex with animals I have some good objections to it. You can't create love through sex alone,Let along sex with animals! Your like 28 you should know that. The animal woun't like it, it hurts! Thats not love, its animal abuse and rape!
I feel that there is a massive consent issue here as animals cant properly convey consent through action and certainty not language. I could say more but id rather wait for a dispute so i can argue with what might be disagreed with.
They can show it with consent in there language. And we humans are smart to understand there language. Also they can understand are language to. They can't learn as much language from us as we can from them. But they can show it.
Ok i see your point and you are not entirely wrong when you say humans can understand animals, but it is to a degree. The problem is how do we decipher what consent would be and what a primal desire for pleasure would be. Ill use dogs for example, for dogs understanding humans, i believe though they can associate what is being said to a object or outcome and maybe even definition to some extent, but they wouldn't truly understand what the likes of consent is. As the maximum dog intelligence is that of a human toddler; you could tell a human toddler what the definition of consent is and even if they remember it they wouldn't know what it meant to give it, how it affects them and the consequences. This in a way applies to dogs aswell. Just because they can know a word doesn't mean they understand it. This applies to most domestic animals aswell. Ive seen you put that animals can convey consent through action, could you please elaborate?
Thanks I will need some more detail on what your trying to ask me here is. But what I think I get some of it. True they can learn the word but doesn't mean they understand it. Animals don't have to even need to understand what the word even means. This doesn't mean that they can't show that there ok with something, Or that they want something. example most people would use socks to put on the dogs paws before they began sex. The dog doesn't need to know what are socks they just need to know what is the outcome of socks is. In this case it sex, So dogs catch that socks = sex. End of example. Most dogs are smart to think will if I want sex I should go get some socks and bring it to the human. And that one way they can show they want it.
Ive chosen clarify rather than dispute as i feel this isnt really contesting this. Perhaps the dog is associating pleasure with the sock and the outcome being sex, this would be textbook example of classical conditioning. My question is: Do you think the dog, or for that matter any animal that has interspecies sex, is aware that it is participating in interspecies sex? Or does that animal see what it is having sex with as a means to an end? The end here being primal pleasure. Food for thought. Im quite open minded and i am aware that i was quite aggressive towards you in a previous debate, but upon thinking more about it, i can see that if other animals are capable of consent then although i may not agree with it, if its legally and factually approved and backed (as i am a man of science), then i wouldn't openly dispute it. Though would you agree that there should be certain limits? Such as a degree of what comes under the heading of sex and what then comes under the heading of animal abuse and perhaps even which animals come under the category of the ability to give consent. The problem then here is to what point is consent legitimate and not misunderstood (if understood at all).
I am not sure if they know there having interspecies sex I think they would know. But I am going to study on that. But I know that animals know the end outcome is of the act, And that would be pleasure. Or it could even be protection I learned that females will do the act for protection. But thats not often. And yes there should be limits. I am not a law person. But I think anything that is size of a medium dog or bigger should be legal. But not to big that the weight will kill you. Anything knows consent. If you want me to make a list on the limits I will. I will try anyway.
Lets make a scenario in saying you are right and it does become illegal in the hole world. So here that would be more bad then good because zoophilia and bestilty will still do it and there would be like 2 million more crime cases in the world and america and other countries don't have the space or money and supplies to deal with 2 million prisoners. It would be like D day but a 100 times bigger !!!
Also there will be alot of suicides and some of us will not go down with out a fight and that will mean killings. I mean I don't think you would want to be killed just because you split up love.
Also even for people that don't do the act again and don't commit suicide. What would you tell them on how to satisfy there sexaul feelings because you can't say live alone then your will be the wrong one and you can't say either find a human because most have already tried that.
no, that is why there are other humans to have sex with, some other animals do it, because they just care about breeding but to me it doesn't matter if the animals like it or not its wrong and nasty. (in my opinion)
But I don't want to have sex with another human, That is nasty and wrong. In my opinion. I want to have sex with the one I love and care about, And that would be my dog.
i also have heard some say that why not, it could advance the species, or that something better and smarter than humans could come out of it, but it seems to me that since we still cant teach monkeys to make music, art, or have feelings and emotions not tied to dependency or food, i don't see how having sex with a monkey isn't just going to get you an ugly, hairy, clueless son, with an obsession of bananas.
Animals do feel love. Monkeys are smart they do know music. They can also make music. I am not sure if they know about art. But that doesn't mean they can't learn it.
Animals do feel love. Monkeys are smart they do know music. They can also make music. I am not sure if they know about art. But that doesn't mean they can't learn it.
Well yes, I have to agree that it is wrong to have sexual relationships with an animal; we had to domesticate dogs just so that we could own them... But now you would like to have a sexual relationship? Well let's see... first of all, sex with an animal is probably going to be dangerous. Most humans wash their hands after touching an animal, so who knows what could happen after you give them that anal... plus, we don't know how the animals would respond. Maybe they would consider it okay to pursue sexual relationships with other people. It isn't abnormal for inter species sex to occur...
so we don't really know what kind of territory we are crossing into. I'm actually afraid of an animal subjected to sex with humans could come up and rape me... but that is highly improbable and just my speculation. Plus they have those claws, considering we are restricting this to dogs and cats.
They can't consent properly; even if they agree to it, they don't have the same foresight as an adult... same concept with fucking a 14 year old. Another point, we don't know how this would affect either "partner's" body. Well I don't. Alas, a simple Google search for "Effects of bestiality" does not result in anything relevant. Plus, imagine a society where bestiality is normal and we use dogs for sex all the time... Uuuugh.
No. No. No. That is disgusting and they cannot consent. You're raping the animal. If sex with an animal is okay you're saying rape is okay. You are literally raping the animal because it's "okay". You have just made rape "okay". So it should never be legal.
Yes true they can't say they are not ok or are ok with it. But they can show it with consent in there language. And we humans are smart to understand there language. Also they can understand are language to. They can't learn as much language from us as we can from them. But they can show it and there is my fact opinion.
Logic? Are you kidding me? So let me get this straight, you have no problem whatsoever with a girl sucking a gorilla's dick? Or a guy having anal sex with his dog? Do you have any idea why that is wrong?
I don't care about what they do with there sex life. It none of my business. So I am not going to vote against them just because I am not that way. And it is not wrong.
Yes you fucking are. You have even admitted in previous posts that you want to fuck your own dog.
And it is not wrong.
Okay then... go have sex with your dog. Do it. I want you to stick your dog's dick in your mouth and suck it like no tomorrow. Then, I want you to take your dick, and put it in your dog's mouth. If this idea disgusts you... well then there you go.
I am a science person I am not afraid to say anything. And you said (girl sucking a gorilla's dick? Or a guy having anal sex with his dog) I get fucked by a dog. So me saying I am not that way. I said the truth. So your wrong again. And I will for sure to night suck my dogs dick like I have before because it doesn't disgusts me. And I don't fuck my dog. So please say I am sick I don't care. I am a female dog trapped in a human male body.
Ugh... I really hope you're just bullshitting us... but bullshit or not, what you claim you do with your dog is illegal. I'm not really sure why you wouldn't have researched that before posting on the internet that you're guilty of bestiality.
Even if your logic is persistent and true, having sexual contact to a dog for example doesn't make it any less vile or wrong. That's even funny how the title asks governments approval to fk animals, it just sounds insanely wrong. But just that fact, when animals can interfere with humans in some sort of way, it would make a good excuse to have sex with the animal? You didn't say the reason, or at least I can't see it.
Lets make a scenario in saying you are right and it does become illegal in the hole world. So here that would be more bad then good because zoophilia and bestilty will still do it and there would be like 2 million more crime cases in the world and america and other countries don't have the space or money and supplies to deal with 2 million prisoners. It would be like D day but a 100 times bigger !!!
Also there will be alot of suicides and some of us will not go down with out a fight and that will mean killings. I mean I don't think you would want to be killed just because you split up love.
Also even for people that don't do the act again and don't commit suicide. What would you tell them on how to satisfy there sexaul feelings because you can't say live alone then your will be the wrong one and you can't say either find a human because most have already tried that.
I love my friend why do you guys make him so mad. I mean whats the big deal he can't give him self to the one he loves. I am the one that has to live a wall away from him. I am for sure not a person that likes seeing apart of my family sad. You should understand that he has worked so hard to be where he is know.
Thanks for all your opinions. But I think I am not going to say to much to my friend about it. Because I see that she just loves him and would do anything for him. Just like I would do anything for my boy.
