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 socialism is fascism and fascism is socialism (25)

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socialism is fascism and fascism is socialism

We hear it repeated by the far left time and time again that fascism and socialism are opposites. If such is the case, why do socialists and fascists both make the same claims (we fight for the working class, we fight for the community etc) and end up producing the same results? Every prominent Fascist uses the same rhetoric as socialists use and started out as socialists and marxists. Every socialist country ends up looking like fascism. The connection is a no brainer and I don't care how many words come oozing out of Nom's mouth, in objective observable reality fascists are socialists and socialism manifests as fascism EVERY TIME.
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We hear it repeated by the far left time and time again that fascism and socialism are opposites. If such is the case, why do socialists and fascists both make the same claims (we fight for the working class

People make all sorts of claims. Two groups making claims to represent the same people, does not mean they represent the same ideology.

and end up producing the same results?

I have never in my life witnessed a socialist country as the definition of the term dictates. The closest thing we have are social democracies in European countries: and let's be honest, they are pretty amazing places to live.

Every prominent Fascist uses the same rhetoric as socialists use and started out as socialists and marxists

I see you don't know history.

Every socialist country ends up looking like fascism

The Netherlands is one of the most socialistic countries in the world. Have you ever been? It is about as far from fascism as a country can get.

The connection is a no brainer and I don't care how many words come oozing out of Nom's mouth, in objective observable reality fascists are socialists and socialism manifests as fascism EVERY TIME

Wrong.

I have never in my life witnessed a socialist country as the definition of the term dictates.

This is so exhaustively accurate. True socialists always want peace and it makes them extremely vulnerable to both internal and external attacks. In the confusion of fresh socialist states what we have traditionally seen are military blockades from Europe and America, which pressure the new states to find immediate ways to protect themselves. That is when the opportunist dictators emerge and take over these states from the inside.

seanB(849) Disputed
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Socialists, true socialists, are consistent in their views. So take Jeremy Corbyn: even when he is being attacked he laments the hate that drives it and empathizes with those who spew it.

A person of corrupted character who thinks politics is a game of might rather than a game of right, can never understand that position. It is "weak", to them. When it is in fact the most dignified and strongest position there is.

Chinaman(964) Clarified
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Guess you never had a vacation trip to Venezuela or Cuba to check out Socialism.

seanB(849) Disputed
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Cuba is statistically safer than the USA, mate. Perhaps you should stop drinking the bullshit-aid.

Chinaman(964) Clarified
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Socialist in Cuba 25 CUP equals 1 US dollar. The average wage is 500 CUP a month. Tell me again about how great Socialism is. Now the numbers will confuse you but with an IQ of 140 you can surely figure it out.

BurritoLunch(1798) Clarified
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Tell me again about how great Socialism is.

It's awesome. Socialism invented satellite technology and put the first man into space.

We hear it repeated by the far left time and time again that fascism and socialism are opposites.

You have "repeated" the same argument yourself, many times. You are so pathologically mad and desperate that you change your political beliefs depending on who you are trying to irritate.

If such is the case, why do socialists and fascists both make the same claims (we fight for the working class, we fight for the community etc)

That's the entire political spectrum you stupid bent-nosed idiot. Every politician claims to represent the people, not just socialists and fascists.

PowerForce(50) Disputed
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You have "repeated" the same argument yourself,

I have never repeated it. You are confusing me for someone more fat and basement-dwelling.

Every politician claims to represent the people, not just socialists and fascists.

Not every politician preaches class warfare and sets up a totalitarian regime under the pretense of it.

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I have never repeated it.

You are a boring liar. You literally lie so much that it has observably, objectively bent your nose out of shape.

Not every politician preaches class warfare

Class warfare has nothing to do with fascism you stupid bastard. Fascists believe in preserving the class structure, not attacking it. Open a book.

Given this premise, fascists conclude that the preservation of social hierarchy is in the interests of all classes and therefore all classes should collaborate in its defense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classcollaboration

You're an idiot with a big mouth.

Every prominent Fascist uses the same rhetoric as socialists use and started out as socialists and marxists.

So, on the one hand, you acknowledge that fascists are no longer socialists and Marxists. While on the other, you are implying they are. Which is it, moron?

Every socialist country ends up looking like fascism.

Do you mean apart from the ones at the top of the quality of life index?

The connection is a no brainer

That's fortunate, given that you have no brain.

and I don't care how many words come oozing out of Nom's mouth

Obviously that's false, because I am the entire reason you have opened this "debate" you pathetic worm.

in objective observable reality fascists are socialists

A shame that nobody who has studied political history agrees with you.

In fact, a shame that you can't even seem to agree with yourself. One moment you are claiming that fascists used to be socialists. The next you are claiming they are (objectively, observably) socialists. Is it possible for you to make up your mind before your next desperate cry for attention?

PowerForce(50) Disputed
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you acknowledge that fascists are no longer socialists and Marxists.

No, I acknowledge that they start as socialists and marxists and they stay that way, but repackage it.

Do you mean apart from the ones at the top of the quality of life index?

Oh, you're talking about those "social democracies" that you call "socialist" when it's convenient and capitalist when it's more convenient to do that.

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No

That's literally what you typed you dumb little retard. How it possible you can forget what you wrote 30 minutes ago?

I acknowledge that they start as socialists

And then make a transition to fascism, which obviously means fascism is something different than socialism.

Shut your big stupid mouth.

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Oh, you're talking about those "social democracies" that you call "socialist"

Translation: any socialist state which isn't a pile of shit is one I'm going to deny is a socialist state.

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