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40
22
wanting laptops not wanting laptops
Debate Score:62
Arguments:36
Total Votes:70
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 wanting laptops (25)
 
 not wanting laptops (11)

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students should be issued laptop.

CoolIt is resolved that students should be issued laptops.

I think that because then there wouldn't have to be any text books. Also the the web is always up to date.The students will be able to take them home the also have Internet access so that they can do there work. Say the teacher give a report on something  all the student would have to do is do it on their laptop and tell the teacher were they got there information from (so the teacher can make shore they didn't copy of a website but got information from it)then wehen they were done the could just e-mail there report to their teacher so i think that this debate is affirmative.

wanting laptops

Side Score: 40
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not wanting laptops

Side Score: 22
5 points

Here is a couple of reasons for why I would personally love to have a laptop for school.

1 copying notes is a lot faster

2 No heavy book bag my book bag would weigh at a maximum of what 5 lbs ?

3 No more wasting paper

4 A whole world of information at my fingertips ( Internet )

5 All of my textbooks weighing in combined less than 1 of them alone.

6 Copying notes? Why do that when your teacher can send you copies of the notes!

couple side notes.

All of you guys talking about video games and all that junk your schools must be out dated. My public high school as long with every other high school in my county and in others around mine ( I cannot say for those past my surrounding counties for I do not know anyone from outside of the bordering counties that is in school ) have something called Websense. Look it up on Wikipedia. This Websense avoids even using the words proxy in google. Thats right you cannot search under words like games, proxies, porn, etc etc. Even if you manage to obtain a site from home guess what? Websense will block the URL. So no myspace no facebook NO BLOGS of any kind NO GAMES unless they are Florida gov. created games that are dedicated to learning.

In my middle school ( public and notorious for the worst in our district ) gave laptops to ALL 6th graders I of course missed having them. That was a bad idea in my opinion. Now that I am in high school only a choice few high schools carry laptops for their students to take home. The only kids that do get to keep the comps for the year are those in the AP and IB programs ( smart kids ) I am in the AP program but alas luck falls on the wrong side of the fence! Our school does not partake in having comps for everyone so I yearn for a laptop to make my life easier when my hand cramps up from writing notes.

Teachers also have the ability to see exactly what a student has been on regardless of whether or not students just delete their history.

Side: wanting laptops
frenchieak(1131) Disputed
2 points

I can only speak for myself, but my experience is that people download these games from a disc, or online at home. If students are issued laptops, they will take them home, and many would put games on them. In many ways, they would become more of a distraction than a help, for those of us who can't keep focus, like so many of my classmates today, without laptops.

Side: not wanting laptops
pvtNobody(642) Disputed
2 points

There's plenty of ways to control content on any computer. For example, you can control user rights to prevent a user from installing anything on the computer. As has already been pointed out at least three times in this debate Internet access is easily controlled on a properly configured machine. Personally I favor a custom OS And PC designed specifically with education in mind. Such a machine would have controls to prevent students from misusing their PCs while at the same time provide programs and features that they wouldn't have access to otherwise.

Side: wanting laptops
DaWolfman(3322) Disputed
2 points

Well um did you read all that I wrote? At my school you cannot upload anything onto the computer without an admin's approval =] so lets say I have Age of Empires III ! I sneakily put it into the computer and WA LA You do not have the authority to upload content onto this laptop ask an administrator for further help -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Websense-

Side: wanting laptops
4 points

This is actually something of a passion of mine. With technology progressing the way it has there's really no excuse for not giving a student a portable computer. Electronics are cheaper, lighter, and considerably more durable than they were ten years ago. A student armed with a tablet PC not only has access to unlimited writing space, but the resources of the Internet. Consider this possible future for a moment.

Timmy is five years old, he is starting Kindergarten. Timmy's desk has a rough plastic screen covering the top. The screen is water proof and "crumb-proof." When it's time to practice writing the teacher activates the screen and suddenly Timmy has all of the "paper" he'll ever need to practice his handwriting. What's more, in this future the teacher is so overwhelmed by students that she can hardly supervise every student's handwriting. Luckily for Timmy (and every person who will ever have to read Timmy's writing) his desk has a built in handwriting tutor that not only identifies the letters that Timmy is writing but also helps correct his mistakes. This is but one of ten or so functions this computer serves in Timmy's classroom. But he is a Kindergartner after all and he needs lots of time to move about and play, so he doesn't spend a lot of time at his desk.

Fast forward a few years, Timmy is in fifth grade. He's finally been issued his very first electronic notebook. Here he has access to all of the textbooks he's ever used in school, past and present. He has instant access to almost any book ever found in a library. At school Timmy takes notes on his laptop either with a pen, writing on the surface that feels more like paper to Timmy's hand than a plastic screen (although Timmy has had very little need for that environmentally unfriendly substance called paper) or he can type using the on screen keyboard denoted by two small "divots" on the screen so he can find the "home" keys when he turns his notebook on the lengthwise, the keys take up the most of the width of the notebook. Timmy has found that for things like history and English, even some science, he prefers to type, it's faster and neater; but for math and science with lots of math he'd much rather hand write. The notebook itself is a marvel to Timmy, it's very light and quite, stays on the whole day without ever needing to turn it off, and seems to never run out of memory. Timmy doesn't know it yet but that's because most of his material is saved on a server at the school Timmy attends so that internal memory isn't much of a problem. Timmy often wishes that as his teacher drones on about history, or math, or science, he could play games online. Unfortunately his notebook "knows" what sorts of sites he's allowed to go to during school and he can't seem to find any games that the notebook hasn't figured out. He also knows that there are games on the notebook, but he can't seem to access those either except when the teacher says that it's OK. When the teacher has an announcement, or there's an assignment due Timmy can't use the same excuses his parents used to; after all he always knows what the assignment is even when he's sick. His notebook won't let him forget. All in all, though, Timmy really enjoys his notebook, especially when his parents tell him about having to go to the library and search through a hundred books to do the same research paper Timmy is doing. Timmy just had to fire up his "research" program which allows him to keep track of the sources he's used, take notes on his sources, and write his paper all the while checking for grammar, spelling, and even reference mistakes.

Finally Timmy is a senior in High School. He wants to be a computer engineer and he's learned a lot about computers in his studies. Enough to learn that his notebook would never let him install software on it without admin rights, and that because there's no CD-ROM or USB ports, and he can't access non-educational sites, he can't overwrite the OS or any such thing. Timmy's use of the notebook have expanded considerably, he's done quite a few more research papers since his first one, he's taken several programming courses, lots of math and science and such. He can send and receive e-mails to anyone in the school, any time he wishes. The teachers don't care as long as you're not too excessive, and they'll know when you are: your notebook'll tattle. Timmy's teachers can write on "smartboards" that record everything and save it for later review by student and teacher alike. Timmy sits in the back and sometimes he watches the "board" on his notebook since one of the seven feet tall basketball players always sits in front of him and it's hard to see the equation that the teacher is writing sometimes. Timmy turns all of his homework in via e-mail, which is really easy to do: just hit the submit at the top of his workspace and select the class and assignment his work is for. No more worrying about coming in late and forgetting to turn in that pesky research paper or utterly useless math problem set. Timmy doesn't know it but his math homework actually has been tutoring him all these years, starting with really basic problems and gradually making them harder until he's mastered the concept. His notebook has been helping him a lot that way through the years, though Timmy'd never know it, to him that was how it had always worked.

Side: wanting laptops
3 points

Great summary! The only thing missing is that the student should use CreateDebate in the classroom as well to practice their persuasive writing and argumentation skills.

Side: wanting laptops
1 point

Really good outlook idk why you got downvoted fascinating idea ( maybe somebody didn't read all of it >.> ) ^ vote.

It is a great idea that might not be to distant if the gov would spend more money on education.

Side: wanting laptops
2 points

OK for everyone not wanting the laptops because of the game playing well i mean u have to come to school with the laptop anyway so like if you even try to download games the teacher check the laptops daily. And if people want to keep downloading the games well then the school can put a block on the computer for downloading. it would be a lot easy with laptops.

Side: wanting laptops
DaWolfman(3322) Disputed
2 points

Well you can hide games on a laptop extremely easily I can take lets say my computer, then I add a folder into that called school stuff, then into that folder I put my schedule and other useless information like my teachers names room #s whatever then I can add another file into that folder called lets say apple works script in that folder I would put apple works, the apple works script and apple works script page 2. ( apple works script page 2 would just be a fake that I could put whatever the hell I wanted to in there and teachers would never look in something called apple works script page 2 ). Or of course the school could use a program like Betsy or Websense and then not worry about anything at all.

Side: wanting laptops
1 point

I also believe that it is good for students to be issued a laptop. As quoted it could make learning easier without having to carry all those few couple pounds books.

Side: wanting laptops
1 point

is better use a laptop because this way you help the environment, save money, and students back will not carry alto of weight

Side: wanting laptops
1 point

Students don't get fat when there on there laptops. They get fat because they grow up getting fed a lot and they are not in sports. And its the students choice too be fat or not. I think its a really good idea because its a lot easier then carrying heavy books around and wasting paper.

Side: wanting laptops
1 point

I think students should have laptops because there a good source for kids to go on. If we had laptops we wouldn't waste so much paper. More students would get homework done if we had laptops to use.

Side: wanting laptops
1 point

it is a good thing because the teachers will know who finished and if they copied anyone or thing plus no more need of wasting paper care for the enviorment

Side: wanting laptops
1 point

This is a great idea because that way so much more opportunities can be made and you can communicate with your teachers about any concerns or misunderstandings.

Side: wanting laptops
1 point

The think is if you think it about from the psychologically it will make childrens excel in study as the will take interest init.

Side: wanting laptops
1 point

Yes cuz some kids don't have working computer or devises at home. I get students may lose them and they are expensive but I mean who cares, they are kids. and plus it would be a lot easier for kids to do their research projects? What do you think?

Side: wanting laptops
5 points

It's a horrible idea. The schools have a certain amount of money they can spend annually, and if you know anything about computers it's that they require maintenance almost monthly. Especially if the dominant user is not technologically adept. The money spent on purchasing, replacing, and maintaining said laptops would be a very large drain on any school district's funds. This money instead can be used to buy better materials for classrooms and updated material.

Side: not wanting laptops
pvtNobody(642) Disputed
0 points

If we were discussing a measure that would force schools to immediately issue laptops to every student I, too, would be against it. The schools have neither the budget nor the infrastructure to issue laptops at this time. But we're not talking about issuing them today, or even this year, or next year for that matter. We're talking about the eventual, dare I say it inevitable, transition from print to digital material; and this requires an in depth analysis and planning process that should begin sooner rather than later. True if we issue ten thousand windows based laptops today there will be enormous maintenance costs but let's face it Windows is a poorly designed system that requires a great deal of effort to care of it and has been increasingly marketed to gamers and businesses. A new system of thinking regarding computers will be required to adequately fit the needs of future generations. A "one size fits all" approach is inefficient and inevitably leads to unnecessary complications.

So yes, if this debate is truly about issuing current series laptops to students effective in the immediate future then I have to concede that it's not the best idea to come out. But it would irresponsible for our school systems to not keep up with the times and transition to more computer-aided education. As schools become more crowded, which they inevitably will despite anyone's best efforts, faculty will have to find ways to reach out to individuals in a sea of students. Computers are the answer.

Side: wanting laptops
1 point

IT IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE THAT CHILDREN ARE USING LAPTOPS AS THERE LIFE!!! AND PRACTICALLY GETTING FAT AND WOBBLY + OBESE ISNT IT SAD. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT FAT CHILDREN SITTING THERE LAPTOPS AND ASKING FOR LOLLIES WHISLT SITTING ON THERE LAPTOPS GETTING PIMPLES AND VIRUS THAT ARE BAD. YOU WOULDN,T WANT TO WOBBLY WOULD YOU? THINK ABOUT THOSE FAT WOBBLY PIMPLY VIRUSY UGLY UNFORTUNATE KIDS. YOU WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO BE A LOSER AND WOBBLY FREAK!!! NOW IF YOU DO WANT THEM BE FAT WOBBLY ETC. THEN MAYBE CALL A COUNSELLOR!

Side: not wanting laptops
kyledohh(4) Disputed
1 point

That is why you promote and tell them to go exercise. How hard is that? geez...

Side: wanting laptops
0 points

In my High school all students are issued laptops. I hate it.

All people do is play video games. At school. It's so sad. Without a laptop grades would probably be better.

+ they are really heavy to have to carry around in a backpack, I mean it's not like they're giving out mac books.

Side: not wanting laptops
3 points

Laptops aren't issued at my school, but there have been cases that I have seen and heard of where individual students have brought their laptops to school, which is allowed, hooked up to the school's WiFi, and played World of Warcraft for the whole day. As if WoW wasn't sad enough, not being able to take the time out of the day to go to school physically and mentally is sad.

I go to a public school, and at first I would think that handing out laptops would be great, right?

Wrong.

For two reasons I can think of right now; 1) JakeJ's argument, students would do everything but study and take notes, and 2) I don't know if I want taxpayers paying for thousands and thousands of laptops.

Side: not wanting laptops
pvtNobody(642) Disputed
1 point

What would you rather see taxpayer money spent on besides education? Free education for all is one major component of achieving the American dream. I'd rather see taxpayer money diverted to investments in school rather than investments in business models that have repeatedly failed, or into social programs that have never shown any indication of reducing the problems that they hope to solve (Note: please read that literally. I do not mean to say that all social programs fail or that all of the bailouts were unnecessary, merely that in general we need to invest in things that have proven to work not experiments that have gone on for five or ten years without results).

Further, by issuing a computer owned by the school the school can control the content on the laptop. By removing games and blocking sites the school can prevent students from misusing resources and time. Although I've never seen it in action there are measures that can be put in place to control content on a computer. What's more schools would be able to invest in products that are specifically targeting educational systems. This would then produce more software and hardware intended for use by schools.

Side: wanting laptops
shadowmaster(1) Disputed
1 point

They could video tape everyone and if they started playing games, then their privilege of having a laptop would be taken away from them.

Side: wanting laptops
kyledohh(4) Disputed
1 point

Have you thought about where the money to buy textbook come from? Probably from the same source, taxpayers. If anything, the cost for laptops will/can equal the amount of buying full sets of textbooks;this implies all subjects in which a single laptop can cover.

Side: wanting laptops