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what should be the recommended age for this website
I myself am 14 years old but many of the people I argue with appear to be much older than me so I set up this debate to find out how old the average debater on CD
also when arguing can you put your age please
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B) As is frequently evidenced by Qymosabi (apparently 47), age implies neither intelligence nor wisdom. Have you seen the outpouring of debate topics about underwear, twilight, pop stars and movies? Those are teen debates, and they verge on spam. Besides, teenagers have under-developed brains and limited experience which makes them kind of spotty opponents. Side: adults(20+)
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Have you seen the outpouring of debate topics about underwear, twilight, pop stars and movies? Those are teen debates, and they verge on spam. The underwear debate was created by somebody aged in excess of 20 years. Twilight is popular among 20+s, and the users who created those debates did not specify their ages. Pop stars are popular among all age groups between 5 and 50 (and possibly even more). If you don't like movies then you, sir, have no soul. Besides, teenagers have under-developed brains and limited experience which makes them kind of spotty opponents. Whilst adults are so intelligent and experienced that A) Everything they manage runs smoothly. B) They never write childish, transparent jibes masquerading as impartial opinion (!). C) They never attempt to solve their problems with violence. D) They are incapable of making bad decisions. E) They are all omniscient. F) They are not at all jealous of youth. G) They never show contempt for that which they once were. H) They communicate with each other telepathically, eliminating the need for mobile phones (stupid teenagers). Side: teens ( 20-)
The underwear debate was created by somebody aged in excess of 20 years. Ah, desculpe-me. Twilight is popular among 20+s, and the users who created those debates did not specify their ages. Pop stars are popular among all age groups between 5 and 50 (and possibly even more). I was picking random examples that popped into mind, it would have been better to list the series of random debates that were made several months ago during the school season, like "do you love terminator?" By the way, pop culture (and celebrity gossip) is puerile, even if adults enjoy it. I try my best to avoid it. If you don't like movies then you, sir, have no soul. Never watch them. Also, you have no soul either. Whilst adults are so intelligent and experienced that That you take these two fact personally and lash out by listing those arguments kind of makes my point. It's a scientific fact that the human brain takes about two decades to mature. It's a fact by definition of experience that an older person will have more of it. B) They never write childish, transparent jibes masquerading as impartial opinion (!). It wasn't a jibe. I listed two facts. E) They are all omniscient. As opposed to partially omniscient? F) They are not at all jealous of youth. What's wrong with having envy of youthfulness? Do you realise that as intelligent and seasoned as I am, I miss being as innocent and wide-eyed as you (and your cohort) are now? That's because as you get older the cheery optimism that accompanies youth vanishes, because you learn better. God I miss how simple life seemed back in those days. Enjoy your naivety now. I mean this sincerely, not mockingly. G) They never show contempt for that which they once were. This is true regardless of age. I think it's part of how we accept what we become as we age. H) They communicate with each other telepathically, eliminating the need for mobile phones (stupid teenagers). How did you know? Did one of us leak this out to you youngin's? Side: adults(20+)
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Ah, desculpe-me. I do not know this word. I was picking random examples that popped into mind, it would have been better to list the series of random debates that were made several months ago during the school season, like "do you love terminator?" So you don't find a topic stimulating and it must therefore be removed and its resurgence prevented? By the way, pop culture (and celebrity gossip) is puerile, even if adults enjoy it. I try my best to avoid it. Wise. Never watch them. Good Lord! I hope you read. Also, you have no soul either. I was once a materialist, but I have long since dropped that philosophy. That you take these two fact personally and lash out by listing those arguments kind of makes my point. Would you blame a Jew for being upset if you said all Jews were ugly? It's a scientific fact that the human brain takes about two decades to mature. Then it clearly does not mature enough. It's a fact by definition of experience that an older person will have more of it. What they make of that experience is entirely up to them, not their age. It wasn't a jibe. Sounded like one. As opposed to partially omniscient? You deliberately misunderstood. Take it for granted that I have a superior command of English to you, then re-examine the sentence "They are all omniscient". Do you think I meant "They are every one of them omniscient" or "They are all-all knowing"? What's wrong with having envy of youthfulness? Envy and contempt are bad yet frequent bedfellows. Do you realise that as intelligent and seasoned as I am, I miss being as innocent and wide-eyed as you (and your cohort) are now? That's because as you get older the cheery optimism that accompanies youth vanishes, because you learn better. God I miss how simple life seemed back in those days. Enjoy your naivety now. If we are doomed to turn out as you have, it behoves us to do so. I mean this sincerely, not mockingly. I have trouble believing this. This is true regardless of age. I think it's part of how we accept what we become as we age. Maturity only stretches so far eh? The young love everyone, the youth hate everyone, the students feel unloved by everyone, the adults disagree with everyone and the old want everyone else's kidneys. How did you know? It's called the "Knowing look" and it is easy to intercept. Did one of us leak this out to you youngin's? We captured one and tortured it out of him. Side: teens ( 20-)
I do not know this word. It means pardon or excuse me. So you don't find a topic stimulating and it must therefore be removed and its resurgence prevented? Not at all, I was explaining how these dull topics simply tend to be made by preteens and teenagers. I don't really care either way, but they make my case about teenagers being immature. I was once a materialist, but I have long since dropped that philosophy. It doesn't matter if you're a Buddhist, you still don't have a soul. Would you blame a Jew for being upset if you said all Jews were ugly? Depends on whether the statement is true. Then it clearly does not mature enough. This is an example of a jibe. Sounded like one. Tetchy much? You deliberately misunderstood. Take it for granted that I have a superior command of English to you, then re-examine the sentence "They are all omniscient". Do you think I meant "They are every one of them omniscient" or "They are all-all knowing"? Hahaha, relax. All you had to do was admit that you made a redundancy. It happens to the best of us. One day you might learn that admitting a mistake is better than being a perfectionist who has to fudge facts to try and save face. If we are doomed to turn out as you have, it behoves us to do so. Don't worry, in ten years, you'll understand what I mean. I have trouble believing this. Again, your problem. It was sincere. Maturity only stretches so far eh? The young love everyone, the youth hate everyone, the students feel unloved by everyone, the adults disagree with everyone and the old want everyone else's kidneys. Not an issue of maturity, but a way to deal with cognitive dissonance. Side: adults(20+)
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Not at all, I was explaining how these dull topics simply tend to be made by preteens and teenagers. They are dull to you, not to their creators. "A distinct inability to emphasise..." I don't really care either way, but they make my case about teenagers being immature. Depending on your definition of immature, that case is intrinsically correct. It doesn't matter if you're a Buddhist, you still don't have a soul. You don't know what a materialist is, or why I brought it up, do you? Essentially it is somebody who does not believe in souls and believes that life is purely mundane. Depends on whether the statement is true. You are being obtuse, or perverse. I cannot yet tell which. This is an example of a jibe. Unfortunately, we do not award medals for pointing out the obvious. Tetchy much? Clearly. Hahaha, relax. All you had to do was admit that you made a redundancy. It happens to the best of us. I did not and I do not. One day you might learn that admitting a mistake is better than being a perfectionist who has to fudge facts to try and save face. Practice as you preach. Don't worry, in ten years, you'll understand what I mean. I sincerely hope not. Again, your problem. It was sincere. You have already possessed me of your contempt for me. Hence your every utterance is suspect. Not an issue of maturity, but a way to deal with cognitive dissonance. Our failings are of immaturity, yours, of course, stem from issues beyond our ken. Side: teens ( 20-)
They are dull to you, not to their creators. "A distinct inability to emphasise..." I assume they'd be dull to anyone wanting a meaningful topic. You don't know what a materialist is, or why I brought it up, do you? Essentially it is somebody who does not believe in souls and believes that life is purely mundane. I was saying, in a manner with a little obscurity, that whether or not you believe you have a soul, it doesn't mean you have one. You actually do not. None of us do. You are being obtuse, or perverse. I cannot yet tell which. More rational... I did not and I do not. Either statement was redundant. You're mortal. The mask has slipped. Practice as you preach. Hence desculpe-me, I apologised for a mistake. I sincerely hope not. It happens to everyone. You think that now you are cynical, and mature? Imagine ten years more for someone with your intelligence gathering facts and learning new disciplines. You can't help but become severely pessimistic as a result of this, and it takes a lot of work to keep a youthful, optimistic mindset. You have already possessed me of your contempt for me. Hence your every utterance is suspect. Sorry, that wasn't my intention. I actually think rather well of you. You have a lot of potential, just you're rough around the edges. I'm harder on you than most of the others on here because you show potential to become better at English and debating topics. If I just acted intimidated like so many of your adversaries do upon reading your flowery language, you'd have an undeservedly high image of yourself. Side: adults(20+)
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I assume they'd be dull to anyone wanting a meaningful topic. Meaning is subjective. I was saying, in a manner with a little obscurity, that whether or not you believe you have a soul, it doesn't mean you have one. You actually do not. None of us do. Hence my inference that you were a materialist. More rational... So you think ugly people like being told that they are ugly, or at least take no offence at being told so? That, to my mind, is obtuse, in that they obviously don't, or perverse in that you refuse to accept that they don't. A rational man would understand that insulting people is by definition insulting. For example, whether I am ugly or not (I don't think Kinda's opinion counts) I was quite offended when he called me "ugly" and "a faggot", whether I told him so or not. Either statement was redundant. You're mortal. The mask has slipped. So it is impossible for a part of a group to be all-knowing and another part not to be, thus invalidating any confirmation as to the universality of the statement? I think not. Hence desculpe-me, I apologised for a mistake. You made two, see above. It happens to everyone. Everyone? You think that now you are cynical, and mature? More proud. Imagine ten years more for someone with your intelligence gathering facts and learning new disciplines. I imagine I shall be quite the pessimist. This worries me. You can't help but become severely pessimistic as a result of this, and it takes a lot of work to keep a youthful, optimistic mindset. The world is that bad? Sorry, that wasn't my intention. I actually think rather well of you. You have a lot of potential, just you're rough around the edges. Thank you. I'm harder on you than most of the others on here because you show potential to become better at English and debating topics. Better at English? Please explain where I am at fault; it must be rectified with all convenient haste. If I just acted intimidated like so many of your adversaries do upon reading your flowery language I had not noticed. you'd have an undeservedly high image of yourself. Doubtless an inevitability. Side: teens ( 20-)
Hence my inference that you were a materialist. It doesn't matter what I am. Souls don't exist. So you think ugly people like being told that they are ugly, or at least take no offence at being told so? That, to my mind, is obtuse, in that they obviously don't, or perverse in that you refuse to accept that they don't. A rational man would understand that insulting people is by definition insulting. For example, whether I am ugly or not (I don't think Kinda's opinion counts) I was quite offended when he called me "ugly" and "a faggot", whether I told him so or not. I'm rational, and hold facts as more important than emotions, so a person's offense weighs less to me than the accuracy of the statement. If all Jews were ugly, then it is a fact, and a Jew's offense would mean little to me in the context of debate or reasoning. Also, don't get offended by Kinda. He's the most flaming fagot on here. I call him The Gay Dildo. So it is impossible for a part of a group to be all-knowing and another part not to be, thus invalidating any confirmation as to the universality of the statement? I think not. Saying "They are all omniscient" doesn't really need the "all" because we already know from context that you are talking about all of them. Saying all-omniscient is redundant, for obvious reasons. Everyone? Was I supposed to add "Except me?" I imagine I shall be quite the pessimist. This worries me. Stay ignorant then, or surround yourself with good people to offset the bad things you'll learn about. The world is that bad? Why give out spoilers? You'll find out soon enough. Better at English? Please explain where I am at fault; it must be rectified with all convenient haste. More like, fine tuning. You're already more capable than your peers but I am left with an impression that you're new to grey language, subtlety, and so on. Basically, your command of English seems strongest on direct topics. I had not noticed. Oh yes, you win debates very easily by simply appearing more intelligent than your adversaries. You probably also encounter this in real life amongst your peers. Very few count as true rivals and it's easy for you to out-maneuver them with language rather than address them clearly. Side: adults(20+)
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It doesn't matter what I am. Souls don't exist. Defy analysis if you wish. I'm rational, and hold facts as more important than emotions, so a person's offense weighs less to me than the accuracy of the statement. That is not what you said earlier. You said that if the facts were correct that you would not expect offence. Also, don't get offended by Kinda. He's the most flaming fagot on here. I call him The Gay Dildo. I have a rather more offensive name for him. Saying "They are all omniscient" doesn't really need the "all" because we already know from context that you are talking about all of them. Saying all-omniscient is redundant, for obvious reasons. Unless their combined knowledge makes them omniscient. I stipulated for the sake of clarity that they were every on of them omniscient. Was I supposed to add "Except me?" I would have expected you to do so. Stay ignorant then, or surround yourself with good people to offset the bad things you'll learn about. So my options are: A)Severe pessimism. B)Sycophantic company. C)Ignorance. Why give out spoilers? You'll find out soon enough. That speaks volumes. More like, fine tuning. You're already more capable than your peers but I am left with an impression that you're new to grey language, subtlety, and so on. Basically, your command of English seems strongest on direct topics. I endeavour to be flexible. Oh yes, you win debates very easily by simply appearing more intelligent than your adversaries. Really? You probably also encounter this in real life amongst your peers. Very few count as true rivals and it's easy for you to out-maneuver them with language rather than address them clearly. Do you speak from experience? Side: teens ( 20-)
That is not what you said earlier. You said that if the facts were correct that you would not expect offence. I guess I was unclear. I didn't expect offense for stating facts, nor did I care about offense since the facts were more important to the debate. I have a rather more offensive name for him. Maybe but calling him gay really irritates him. Unless their combined knowledge makes them omniscient. I stipulated for the sake of clarity that they were every on of them omniscient. You didn't need to, it was implied. So my options are: A)Severe pessimism. B)Sycophantic company. C)Ignorance. B is wrong. You want the company of good people who will remind you that life despite its perils is still not so terrible; these good people form a kind of security as well, a founding base for your life. Do you speak from experience? I've never had a rival, so no. It's what I observe others doing. Side: adults(20+)
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I guess I was unclear. I didn't expect offense for stating facts, nor did I care about offense since the facts were more important to the debate. This has eluded its context. You didn't need to, it was implied. The number of times I have had to clarify the implied... You want the company of good people who will remind you that life despite its perils is still not so terrible; these good people form a kind of security as well, a founding base for your life So you mean "friends"? I've never had a rival, so no. I see. Side: teens ( 20-)
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"Friends" is too weak a word, since a mere friend is one step above an acquaintance A sad definition of the word. To me, the status of friend means something. and they need not necessarily be models of human goodness. Goodness is not necessarily a prerequisite, as their presence in this scenario is solely for self-gratification. Side: teens ( 20-)
A sad definition of the word. To me, the status of friend means something. I suggest using a tiered definition then. An acquaintance is someone whom you've met and know little about. A friend is someone you share activities with in addition to knowing a little about them. A good friend is someone you can discuss personal issues with, things you'd normally keep hidden under a mask. A great friend is all of this plus someone you have learned to trust due to shared hardships and life experiences. And so on... Goodness is not necessarily a prerequisite, as their presence in this scenario is solely for self-gratification. Well, strictly speaking, all relations start with some form of reciprocation. The point of a friend is to move beyond that. Side: adults(20+)
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I suggest using a tiered definition then. An acquaintance is someone whom you've met and know little about. A friend is someone you share activities with in addition to knowing a little about them. A good friend is someone you can discuss personal issues with, things you'd normally keep hidden under a mask. A great friend is all of this plus someone you have learned to trust due to shared hardships and life experiences. I just disparage acquaintance and venerate friend. Well, strictly speaking, all relations start with some form of reciprocation. The point of a friend is to move beyond that. True. Side: teens ( 20-)
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EnigmaticMan is a prime example of why there should be no age limit He argues like a teenager so I don't see the point... and part b of his answer is one of the best answers I have read on this site.Bravo It actually isn't a good answer however because men like Qymosabi are exceptions. You don't measure a crowd by exceptions. Side: adults(20+)
Well he is defending the point for what he stands for just like you are defending the point for what you stand for. You said it yourself, you don't measure a crowd by expectations so why then are you measuring a young crowd by expectations? Because of the mistakes of a few? I am surprised that you excused the mistakes of a few adults who are immature labeling them as being exceptions when you refuse to do the same for the young generation. Side: teens ( 20-)
Well he is defending the point for what he stands for just like you are defending the point for what you stand for. I didn't say he wasn't. You said it yourself, you don't measure a crowd by expectations so why then are you measuring a young crowd by expectations? Because of the mistakes of a few? I said exceptions. Not expectations. I am surprised that you excused the mistakes of a few adults who are immature labeling them as being exceptions when you refuse to do the same for the young generation. It's a matter of definition. The young must be generally immature because they are not adults yet. The old must be mature because they are adult. Therefore the exceptions work in different ways, an exceptional young person is mature, an exception to older people is immature. Side: adults(20+)
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The young must be generally immature because they are not adults yet. The old must be mature because they are adult. Therefore the exceptions work in different ways, an exceptional young person is mature, an exception to older people is immature. And you see nothing wrong with this logic? If exceptions can exist, then the effect of the matter (that maturity is intrinsic to age) is thrown into doubt. To clarify, how can a young person be mature if age is a prerequisite? And how can an older person be immature if he is by definition mature? The answer is that you are juxtaposing two definitions of mature (between which there is some disparity) and using them to confuse your opponents. Side: teens ( 20-)
And you see nothing wrong with this logic? Actually there are several possible issues with it, that I am satisfied are not presently a threat to it. If exceptions can exist, then the effect of the matter (that maturity is intrinsic to age) is thrown into doubt. If you're dealing with a deductive premise, yes. In an inductive, or population study this becomes less a problem. To clarify, how can a young person be mature if age is a prerequisite? Good question. He can if he has behaviours that mimic those that are found in mature (older) people. And how can an older person be immature if he is by definition mature? He isn't by definition mature, his cohort is what defines maturity. If an older person behaves in a manner consistent with younger people, he is being immature. The answer is that you are juxtaposing two definitions of mature (between which there is some disparity) and using them to confuse your opponents. That's a possible way to win this debate but it isn't what I'm doing. I'm saying that a population of older people defines what it means to be mature. Mature simply means older, or given to age. So if a population of old people acts a certain way, this is what mature must mean as an adjective (other than the meaning of "physically older"). The same is true for immature and young. If most young people decided to buy houses and have families, and earn a stable living then they would define youthful as meaning that. This is the basis of judging feminine and masculine. It is why long hair used to be feminine. Side: adults(20+)
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If you're dealing with a deductive premise, yes. In an inductive, or population study this becomes less a problem. Somewhat like democracy - self-perpetuating idiocy. How are the young to mature if they are excluded from character-building activities (like debate) simply because they are young? Good question. He can if he has behaviours that mimic those that are found in mature (older) people. Sadly for him, he is to be excluded because most young people are stupid. Maybe we should bar young people from colleges, as they are underdeveloped and incapable of concentrating. He isn't by definition mature, his cohort is what defines maturity. So maturity implies ill-health and obesity? If an older person behaves in a manner consistent with younger people, he is being immature. Rhetorical questions, by the way. I'm saying that a population of older people defines what it means to be mature. Mature simply means older, or given to age. So if a population of old people acts a certain way, this is what mature must mean as an adjective (other than the meaning of "physically older"). The same is true for immature and young. If most young people decided to buy houses and have families, and earn a stable living then they would define youthful as meaning that. This is the basis of judging feminine and masculine. It is why long hair used to be feminine. I know this, but you simply say "mature" in your other arguments. Many people perceive this to mean "facetious and incapable of coherent thought" etcetera. Side: teens ( 20-)
Somewhat like democracy - self-perpetuating idiocy. Not really. How are the young to mature if they are excluded from character-building activities (like debate) simply because they are young? I don't advocate separating them. Maybe we should bar young people from colleges, as they are underdeveloped and incapable of concentrating. This isn't too much of a problem. Colleges are full of old fogeys. So maturity implies ill-health and obesity? I wasn't aware that bad health and obesity are behaviours. I know this, but you simply say "mature" in your other arguments. Many people perceive this to mean "facetious and incapable of coherent thought" etcetera. Guess it's a good thing I cleared that up then, ne? Side: adults(20+)
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Not really. General statistics and opinion (of a generally stupid populace) being the foundation of policy making (in theory). I don't advocate separating them. Your tag says otherwise. I wasn't aware that bad health and obesity are behaviours. You said his cohort defines maturity. You din't in that instance say behaviour and I was being perverse. Guess it's a good thing I cleared that up then, ne? C'est vrais. Side: It Hardly Makes A Difference
Exactly so why criticize him when he is talking about the fact? Because I disagreed with him. Exactly again, why are you measuring a crowd by exceptions? I'm not. I'm measuring a population by general behaviours common to most. So i never know that you have to be an adult before you can be mature. What rule says that? No, it's the case for most people that they will become mature once they are adults. Side: adults(20+)
Well i am a teenager and i believe that he made the correct statement. Saying that most young people are immature is like saying that all or most older people who act rude and behave immature are immature in general. How do you know what our general behaviors are? Or are you making judgments based on your mere opinions again? Then show me some statistics to prove your theory. Really? So what if i said that in my tradition most of the older people especially men are immature because of the fact that they act immature which i have witnessed, so then i am jumping to the conclusion that older people in general are immature. What is your opinion on that? Many people become adults and never matures so what are you trying to say? Side: teens ( 20-)
Well i am a teenager and i believe that he made the correct statement. Saying that most young people are immature is like saying that all or most older people who act rude and behave immature are immature in general. It's a matter of definition. If most young people aren't what defines immaturity, then the word holds no meaning. How do you know what our general behaviors are? Or are you making judgments based on your mere opinions again? Then show me some statistics to prove your theory. I don't have to know. Maturity defines both age and behaviour, in the behaviour part older people as a group define "mature" and young people define as a group "immature." Really? So what if i said that in my tradition most of the older people especially men are immature because of the fact that they act immature which i have witnessed, so then i am jumping to the conclusion that older people in general are immature. It doesn't matter because a separation between cultures means different cultural definitions anyway. In Arabic nations there are separate mores, norms and folkways which divide the definition of what constitutes adult and child and consequently "mature" and "immature." Do you speak Arabic or Urdu by the way? What is your opinion on that? Different cultures, different populations, different child and adult behaviours. Many people become adults and never matures so what are you trying to say? To recap: Two groups, child and adult. The populations of each define what we consider immature and mature. Exceptions can exist, but what matters is the group common behaviour. Side: adults(20+)
Many older people your age shows what immaturity is like. We as teens do not have time for immaturity when we are trying to build a life. If you are saying that all or most older people are perfect then you are saying that all older people do not make mistakes even if it has to do with immaturity? Maturity again has nothing do with age. As i proved to you, maturity has to do with the experiences we face. You are saying you do not have to know because you are failing to accept the fact.. Really? But according to you we are talking about older people in general so different cultures, populations etc matters especially when we are talking about the term GENERAL. AND these people have mostly demonstrated immaturity. So i proved your theory to be incorrect. We are not just speaking about Arab nations. Take a look again around the world and you will see what i am talking about. My country of origin has nothing to do with Arabia or the middle east by the way. FIRSTLY GO BACK AND LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE TERM CHILD AND THE MEANING OF THE TERM TEENAGER BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE CONFUSING THE TWO TOGETHER. And i am saying the truth. You yourself can attest to the fact that many older people never matures but you are just afraid to admit it. Side: teens ( 20-)
Many older people your age shows what immaturity is like. We as teens do not have time for immaturity when we are trying to build a life. If you are saying that all or most older people are perfect then you are saying that all older people do not make mistakes even if it has to do with immaturity? You keep redefining my argument, then proceed to dismantle it. By definition, an adult population sets the standard of what it is to be mature behaviourally. Maturity again has nothing do with age. As i proved to you, maturity has to do with the experiences we face. You are saying you do not have to know because you are failing to accept the fact.. I don't have to take a survey of how many squares in real life have four sides. It's a definition thing. What are you having trouble with on this point? Are you having difficulty understanding exactly how an adjective describing a population is formed? Do you protest the words "feminine" applying to women and "masculine" applying to men because some women are masculine? Really? But according to you we are talking about older people in general so different cultures, populations etc matters especially when we are talking about the term GENERAL. The words would lose meaning if we erased cultural boundaries. The point is to look into age groups within a cultural population. Encompassing the world leads to vague definitions. AND these people have mostly demonstrated immaturity. So i proved your theory to be incorrect. These people who? You really ought to use asterisks to format your rebuttals. We are not just speaking about Arab nations. Take a look again around the world and you will see what i am talking about. My country of origin has nothing to do with Arabia or the middle east by the way. A simple inference based on your user name, I also would have guessed India as your country of origin. FIRSTLY GO BACK AND LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE TERM CHILD AND THE MEANING OF THE TERM TEENAGER BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE CONFUSING THE TWO TOGETHER. I know the difference, but because we have under twenty and over twenty as categories, teenager and child groups are merged. Besides, in the context of immaturity, adolescents and younger define the concept of "immature" with children only defining "childish." And i am saying the truth. You yourself can attest to the fact that many older people never matures but you are just afraid to admit it. I'm speaking of populations, I don't care about individuals. Do you understand why I do this? Side: adults(20+)
If the adult population sets the standard for mature behavior then how come hundreds of thousands and possibly millions are immature which is evident from rude public behavior, discrimination, verbally abusive language etc? And don't even think that these are exceptions because i am sure if you had ten billion dollars and you lost 3 billion dollars you wouldn't label that as an exception. Why? Because it a large amount and it is also part of the original amount which is a significant amount. So now you want to erase cultures to erase the truth? These cultural populations of older people makes up half the population of the world so are you trying to say that the concept of what you are trying to prove is a doubt in itself? If the word feminine applies to women then it also applies to men who act like women by labeling them as having a feminine behavior and also women who act like men do by labeling them as having a masculine behavior so even though the word applies to a particular group it can also be used to attribute to people or things that act like that group. The whole point i am trying to make here is because a woman might be labeled as being feminine and a man being labeled as being masculine does not guarantee that they will act that way. Same goes for maturity and adults. Use your common sense and figure out why i used the term AND in conjunction with my previous sentence so you should have been able to use your common sense and figure out that when i said people i was referring to the people in my previous sentence which i joined with my conjunction. Again you are wrong because my country of origin is not India either so that proves the point of showing you that what you think may not be the fact in reality. You want to know why? You attributed my name to a culture that i am in no way related to because it is a name that comes from those culture so is it because you think that adults are supposed to be mature that they really are? AGAIN you are confusing these terms together. How can teenager and children be merged together to become children as a group when children have no logical and higher level of thinking ability? The word immature first of all sprung to define an adult who acts like a child so what are you trying to say? If younger people define the concept of immature then how come it is used to describe an adult who acts like a very young child who has not attained the age of puberty? WHEN I SAY OLDER PEOPLE I AM REFERRING TO OLDER PEOPLE WORLDWIDE WHICH MAKES UP BILLIONS OF THE EARTH'S POPULATION. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I SAID THAT? Side: teens ( 20-)
If the adult population sets the standard for mature behavior then how come hundreds of thousands and possibly millions are immature which is evident from rude public behavior, discrimination, verbally abusive language etc? Reread what I've posted on the topic. I've beaten this horse to death. So now you want to erase cultures to erase the truth? These cultural populations of older people makes up half the population of the world so are you trying to say that the concept of what you are trying to prove is a doubt in itself? Reread what I said. Again you are wrong because my country of origin is not India either so that proves the point of showing you that what you think may not be the fact in reality. You want to know why? You attributed my name to a culture that i am in no way related to because it is a name that comes from those culture so is it because you think that adults are supposed to be mature that they really are? Sayyad is a common Arabic name. It was an inference on my part. That's where it ends. AGAIN you are confusing these terms together. How can teenager and children be merged together to become children as a group when children have no logical and higher level of thinking ability? The word immature first of all sprung to define an adult who acts like a child so what are you trying to say? If younger people define the concept of immature then how come it is used to describe an adult who acts like a very young child who has not attained the age of puberty? I think if you read what I said again, and read your question again, you'll have an easy answer. WHEN I SAY OLDER PEOPLE I AM REFERRING TO OLDER PEOPLE WORLDWIDE WHICH MAKES UP BILLIONS OF THE EARTH'S POPULATION. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I SAID THAT? It doesn't really matter to the debate. Side: adults(20+)
I think you are speechless now because since you brought up the topic of exception then i point out numbers so i suggest you respond to them. For once i have better things to do than reading about exceptions from you when in fact those very exceptions has to do with millions and possibly billions of older people. Side: teens ( 20-)
AND AGAIN MANY ARE IN PRISON FOR IMMATURITY SO I PROVED YOUR OTHER THEORY WRONG AND I USED MY EXPERIENCE IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM TO CITE MY REFERENCE BECAUSE ACCORDING TO YOU WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GENERAL SO I DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU KEEP SAYING EXCEPTIONS WHEN WE TEENS SPEAK THE TRUTH. I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO ACCPET IT SINCE YOU ARE SO MATURE RATHER THAN RUNNING FROM IT. Side: teens ( 20-)
AND AGAIN MANY ARE IN PRISON FOR IMMATURITY Immaturity isn't a crime. They are in prison for a crime. SO I PROVED YOUR OTHER THEORY WRONG AND I USED MY EXPERIENCE IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM TO CITE MY REFERENCE BECAUSE ACCORDING TO YOU WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GENERAL I can tie this all together for you in one package if you like. Imagine a box the size of your house as representing most of the adult population of our country. They represent your average adult. If you distill the common behaviours down, that box represents the definition of maturity. Now imagine a box the size of your car. This box represents immature adults and exceptions to the norm. They exist but their small size doesn't let them define the majority group. Finally imagine a box the size between a motorcycle and a car, this represents the criminal population. They may be immature, mature, whatever but they have behaviours that got them into trouble. Because they are so small, they don't represent the majority group. SO I DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU KEEP SAYING EXCEPTIONS WHEN WE TEENS SPEAK THE TRUTH. I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO ACCPET IT SINCE YOU ARE SO MATURE RATHER THAN RUNNING FROM IT. I hope the above makes what I was talking about easy to digest. Side: adults(20+)
Did i ever say immaturity is a crime? Read carefully because i said immaturity is the main cause for committing a crime. This is not opinion but rather from experience. Why do you keep saying exceptions? If there are exceptions to immaturity which takes place in large numbers then the theory of maturity amongst older people is false. Everytime you keep saying exceptions. Why don't you just address the issue rather than just saying exceptions everytime i speak the truth? How can there be exceptions where there is a large number of older people behind bars that are immature in general and also a large population of people that are immature in general? Are we walking about tens or hundreds or thousands? No, but we are talking about hundreds of thousands and if possibly millions. And you are saying these are exceptions because they represent such a small portion? Maybe you should check the meaning of the word exceptions and small. And the criminal population in prison are billions according to reports on worldwide imprisonments of which majority are older people so stop making it seem as if that is a small amount when it is already large and is still growing everyday. Side: teens ( 20-)
Why do you keep saying exceptions? If there are exceptions to immaturity which takes place in large numbers then the theory of maturity amongst older people is false. Everytime you keep saying exceptions. Why don't you just address the issue rather than just saying exceptions everytime i speak the truth? Did you read my explanation? Please reread it. And the criminal population in prison are billions according to reports on worldwide imprisonments of which majority are older people so stop making it seem as if that is a small amount when it is already large and is still growing everyday. Millions, not billions. Side: adults(20+)
Well why should i reread your explanation when you mentioned the term exceptions? Are millions labeled as being small or exceptions? Well why do you not address what i said. If there are millions in the prison and according to you millions are older people and i am telling you from experience that a large number are immature then why don't you address the issue than running from it. Side: teens ( 20-)
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And yet you are so attentive. Black and white thinking accompanied by a distinct inability to empathise with your opponent or any other perspective. This is the teen mindset. If we were to measure crowds by general statistics, they would all be considered Chinese, starving and diseased. Nice try, but failed rebuttal. Try again? Side: adults(20+)
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I agree with you. Age is just but a number. I am 19 and i am a writer and a student in pre law along with being a public speaker. I think you can be 19 and think better than a person older your age or you can be older and think better than a 19 year old. I think also that we all go through different things in life that gives us strong but worthy perceptions of things which unfortunately not all of us has. Side: teens ( 20-)
i agree with the first part of your first statement but you need to remember that i can be a 19 year old and be more mature than a 25 year old. Today i was watching a show on The People's Court where this guy who is 24 year old was taking advantage of this old woman, living free and did not even have a job but was also immature in the way he thinks. Comparing that to a 19 year old who works, helps out his family and pays for his own school expenses amidst other expenses and thinks reasonably, which one would you say is more mature? Side: adults(20+)
And also because young people acts in a different way than older people do does not make them less mature because we all need to understand that young people will act and think different because they are in a different time than when older people was. My class is made up of majority young people who go to work in the day including myself and go to school in the nights late trying to get a proper education. Side: teens ( 20-)
And also because young people acts in a different way than older people do does not make them less mature because we all need to understand that young people will act and think different because they are in a different time than when older people was. My class is made up of majority young people who go to work in the day including myself and go to school in the nights late trying to get a proper education. It's not about acting differently, but that teenagers genuinely have an immature brain. Side: adults(20+)
So are you trying to say that because we may act differently than you do then we are immature? How can you even say immature when you firstly failed to understand that we can act and think differently but yet achieve better results than many older people do? Side: teens ( 20-)
So are you trying to say that because we may act differently than you do then we are immature? How can you even say immature when you firstly failed to understand that we can act and think differently but yet achieve better results than many older people do? I am saying that it is an established fact that the human brain is still in its immature stages at adolescence and finally becomes adult between the late teens and early twenties, with men taking on average a little more time than women. Side: adults(20+)
An established fact needs proof not just mere opinions. Again a person who faces life experiences with hardships at an earlier age can have a huge impact on that very brain you say is immature. Ask that to any doctor and they will tell you. And many of our young people today are facing many crisis which they have and are demonstrating maturity. Side: teens ( 20-)
An established fact needs proof not just mere opinions. Again a person who faces life experiences with hardships at an earlier age can have a huge impact on that very brain you say is immature. Ask that to any doctor and they will tell you. And many of our young people today are facing many crisis which they have and are demonstrating maturity. Fine. Link: http://www.sfn.org/ Side: adults(20+)
According to a the results of a research and study conducted by The National Campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and carried out by the following persons- Daniel R.Weinberger, M.D. Brita Elvevåg, Ph.D Jay N. Giedd, M.D., the following were derived from the research; -Teens need to be surrounded by caring parents, adults, and institutions that help them learn specific skills and appropriate adult behavior. -Teens themselves may be able to shape their own brain development. For example, neuroanatomical evidence suggests that learning and positive experiences help build complex, adaptive brains. Notice the last point made; teens may be able to shape their own brain development and positive experiences can help build complex adaptive brain. Experiences are helping many teens to become mature so that study that you are relying on may did not looked into that aspect. Side: teens ( 20-)
Notice the last point made; teens may be able to shape their own brain development and positive experiences can help build complex adaptive brain. Experiences are helping many teens to become mature so that study that you are relying on may did not looked into that aspect. What matters is that your brain is still under active development. That's what was crucial to my statement I made several days ago. I also would have expected that we can shape our own brain development. Even though my brain is adult, I reinforce it and shape it each day with conditioned behaviours and exercises. Side: adults(20+)
You are failing to understand that even scientists proved that experiences can have a huge impact on your brain and you are failing to accept that fact. Scientists did not use an adult brain as an example so stop using your adult brain as an example. Whether or not your brain is under active development again is contributed to the fact that TEENS NOT ADULTS ACCORDING TO THIS STUDY are able to shape the development of their brain by passing through positive experiences. You reinforce your brain not shape it's development because according to you your brain is fully mature and developed unless you are now accepting that the adult brain is not as mature as you are arguing. AND ALSO look at the first part of the results of this study which also states that teens needs to be surrounded by loving parents and adults. Would you like to know why the results study stated that, because if adults are not mature then the teens in the environment surrounding those adults would not be and if they are mature then the teens surrounding adults in the environment would be. Side: teens ( 20-)
AND ALSO look at the first part of the results of this study which also states that teens needs to be surrounded by loving parents and adults. Would you like to know why the results study stated that, because if adults are not mature then the teens in the environment surrounding those adults would not be and if they are mature then the teens surrounding adults in the environment would be. Whether or not a child or teenager mimics adult behaviours, if their brain is still growing it means they'll suffer poor judgment. This is what I meant by "spotty." Side: adults(20+)
THEIR BRAIN IS GROWING BUT THEY SHAPE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THEIR OWN BRAIN BY PASSING THROUGH POSITIVE EXPERIENCES. WHAT PART OF THIS STATEMENT DO YOU HAVE DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING? THIS STATEMENT WAS PROVED BY SCIENTISTS. ARE YOU A SCIENTIST OR A DOCTOR TO DISPUTE THIS FACT? Side: teens ( 20-)
i agree with the first part of your first statement but you need to remember that i can be a 19 year old and be more mature than a 25 year old. Today i was watching a show on The People's Court where this guy who is 24 year old was taking advantage of this old woman, living free and did not even have a job but was also immature in the way he thinks. Comparing that to a 19 year old who works, helps out his family and pays for his own school expenses amidst other expenses and thinks reasonably, which one would you say is more mature? Side: teens ( 20-)
i agree with the first part of your first statement but you need to remember that i can be a 19 year old and be more mature than a 25 year old. Let me rephrase: Take a general 19 year-old and compare to a general 25 year-old. The 19 year-old will be less mature. Today i was watching a show on The People's Court where this guy who is 24 year old was taking advantage of this old woman, living free and did not even have a job but was also immature in the way he thinks. Comparing that to a 19 year old who works, helps out his family and pays for his own school expenses amidst other expenses and thinks reasonably, which one would you say is more mature? This would fall under the exceptions part of my argument. Side: adults(20+)
We do not know that for sure unless you have statistics to prove that for sure. And i have seen many older people who are immature. Furthermore the age range currently serving time in prison for adults are far greater than teenagers so i strongly doubt that statement you made. Also if many teenagers are immature the root of it comes from immature or irresponsible parents also but again i doubt that most teenagers are less mature than a 25 year old. Also many of the people trying to get an education are mostly teenagers. Side: teens ( 20-)
We do not know that for sure unless you have statistics to prove that for sure. You don't need statistics, maturity is an intrinsic property of age. And i have seen many older people who are immature. Older people define the concept of maturity, because they as a group are mature (aged). Furthermore the age range currently serving time in prison for adults are far greater than teenagers so i strongly doubt that statement you made. Prison isn't a place for immature people, but criminals. Also if many teenagers are immature the root of it comes from immature or irresponsible parents also Immaturity is a property of youthfulness. but again i doubt that most teenagers are less mature than a 25 year old. Again, an intrinsic thing. A mid-twenties adult is more aged than a teenager, therefore more mature, unless that adult acts in a way not representative of his cohort. Then he may be more or less mature. Also many of the people trying to get an education are mostly teenagers. Not really a maturity thing. Side: adults(20+)
Well when you are making a significant statement you do need proof. Because there is a rule that says older people are mature does not mean all of them are. They are the ones who created that rule but you should also realize that society changes along with time. Older people are mature i understand. But because many of them are, does not mean that all of them are. Well do you think that if older people were mature enough they would be behind bars for murder, rape, robbery, assault, child abuse and carnal knowledge etc.? If they are so mature then what kind of example are they setting for young people who according to you are less mature? Really so what about the many older generations who believe in child marriages as is evident in many societies? Do you think that is called maturity? If immaturity is a property of youthfulness then how come many older people make mistakes like younger people do? Age i think do not serve much of a purpose. It is the circumstances we face in life that makes us stronger and valuable in the way we think. Ask that to any teenager who have experienced what hardship in life is and they will tell you. Well you do not think that getting an education is part of maturity? Do you even think of the sacrifices they make in which they demonstrated maturity in order to be there? I became a regional religious leader at age 13 and was offering advice and leadership to people way older than i was and i thought i was the rare type until i met many more young people like myself and that changed the perception of what i had thought earlier. Many of the young people in society today are trying their best to make positive changes that older people were never capable of doing. Side: teens ( 20-)
Well when you are making a significant statement you do need proof. Because there is a rule that says older people are mature does not mean all of them are. They are the ones who created that rule but you should also realize that society changes along with time. Older people are mature i understand. But because many of them are, does not mean that all of them are. I did not say all, I said most. Well do you think that if older people were mature enough they would be behind bars for murder, rape, robbery, assault, child abuse and carnal knowledge etc.? If they are so mature then what kind of example are they setting for young people who according to you are less mature? Murder is not intrinsically immature, neither is rape, robbery, assault, child abuse, etc. Murder can have all sorts of motivations, with only some of them being what we might call immature. It's the same with robbery and assault. Rape and child abuse are more a matter of mental problems. Really so what about the many older generations who believe in child marriages as is evident in many societies? Do you think that is called maturity? If immaturity is a property of youthfulness then how come many older people make mistakes like younger people do? Child marriages existed back in a time when marriage was more about status, property acquisition, and joining families. Being mature isn't the same thing as being infallible, it means having more experience from mistakes and successes that should make a person less prone to the same kinds of mistakes an inexperienced person would make. Age i think do not serve much of a purpose. It is the circumstances we face in life that makes us stronger and valuable in the way we think. Ask that to any teenager who have experienced what hardship in life is and they will tell you. If circumstances in life mould us then age simply indicates how many more of those circumstances we ought to have had. Well you do not think that getting an education is part of maturity? Do you even think of the sacrifices they make in which they demonstrated maturity in order to be there? Education deals with learning facts and knowledge, while life gives you experience with that knowledge. Even the apprentice must work for years with his training to become a master. I became a regional religious leader at age 13 and was offering advice and leadership to people way older than i was and i thought i was the rare type until i met many more young people like myself and that changed the perception of what i had thought earlier. Many of the young people in society today are trying their best to make positive changes that older people were never capable of doing. The difference between a 13 year-old religious leader and a 30 year-old religious leader is that the advice the 13 year-old gives comes from authorities he has spoken with and learned from. A 30 year-old has lived enough to accumulate his own wisdom. Side: adults(20+)
Well again it is a significant statement so why don't you show me some form of proof? Unless it is merely a part of your opinion. I agree with you. Murder and Rape can have various causes and so is rape or child abuse but i am telling you that i have dealt with majority of these cases in my positions as Secretary for The Superintendent of Police Affairs, Legal Officer for The Attorney General and even as an Assistant Sworn Clerk of The Supreme Court. When i say that many of these acts are committed because of immaturity from the older generation, i am saying not merely as part of my opinion but because i was in a position that dealt with criminal affairs and prison affairs. Again merely opinions. I knew you would give me the exact response you gave me. Firstly those cultures still exist in various parts of world including my country of origin where it is still taking place. To know that, you have to live in a culture where such a practice exists. They existed back in a time and they still exist in many countries of the world especially third world countries. And it also exists still in societies that have a strong traditional background. So what if many older people have less experiences and hardships in life and compared that to many young people who have faced many more hardships and experiences in life, which group is prone to think more mature? If you say that young people are immature, then again that is just part of your opinion because you need facts when you say something like that. Age has nothing to do with the amount of circumstances a person can face. It is what each of us goes through in our every day life that makes us more mature whether we are teens or older people. It is the problems we face everyday that strengthens us. Go anywhere and ask anyone what is called a decision to go back to college and perhaps they will label it as a mature decision. Education teaches you what life itself might not be capable of teaching you. Isn't education that taught many of us how to rebel against all those cultures i earlier mentioned in my arguments? Did life taught us how to rebel? You are checking it one one side only. If you think going to college does not require a level of maturity then you are dead wrong. If that was the case then many adults would not even choose to go to college. Again you are giving opinions, i used the lessons i learnt from hardships and experiences in my life to become a leader not with the advice of authorities. I taught myself how to become a leader by proving it to my people. And so were the many other young people that i met. When i would give speeches there would be people recording me and writing what i said and also i would teach them many things they had no knowledge.You need to come out of your false perceptions and open your eyes. If older people's life are filled with wisdom, then again many of them wouldn't be cheating, committing crimes or being alcoholics or rude in their daily communications with people. Side: teens ( 20-)
Oh and one more thing perhaps you are forgetting or failing to accept the fact that the immaturity of many older people have landed them in prison. Immaturity have caused many older people to become criminals. You are right when you said that many or most in prison are criminals but ask them what was the leading cause for them to become criminals and they will point out immaturity. Side: teens ( 20-)
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Opinion is opinion no matter the age of the contributer, there is some juvenile stuff posted from people far in excess of their teens and there is some logical and well thought debates posted by those in their teens. So it logically stands to reason that excluding people based purely on age is discriminatory, I myself am twenty eight and I don't feel like younger contributers are bringing the site down, if you don't like a debate, don't contribute, simple. Side: teens ( 20-)
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To be personal, and honest, we should be making this site as available as possible to any age group. We should be less concerned with age, and more concerned with content. It is rather stereotypical to suggest that it is the majority of Teenage users of this site who are spamming, abusing other members of the community, and basically running a-muck in the various debates that are open to all. I neither suggest the same for Teens or Adults, because to be quite honest, we can't really tell the difference. I could call myself a 20 year-old and there could be no way of knowing if I really was. In saying that, do we declare, then, that age makes no difference on this site? You decide :P Another thing to keep in mind is that (and this sort of goes on from what I was saying before) both age-groups are both conformative people and very much individuals, yet, more individual here than anything. We all have differences which separate us, and this is what truly makes something like Create Debate unique; the fact that it allows for a point of view to be shared and argued against, regardless of age, gender, race, etc. The unique nature of the site is what compels such interesting responses to one-another. As a side note: I'll say that I'm 16, honestly. Believe it if you really want to. Side: It Hardly Makes A Difference
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There should be no recommended age at all, because that is the sole purpose of this website. I am 15 years old, in the debating team of my school and this is the website I just visit every day after school because there are new topics, interesting ideas and arguments, in short, a debater's heaven. There is a lot to be learnt from this site, and I'm not just talking about teens but also the adults. Because really, age is not directly proportional to intelligence, even a fool would know that. So I think everyone(kids, teens, young adults, adults) should be allowed to visit this website, learn from it, post their own views and log out having learned something new and interesting each day. I admit most of the people here may have more intelligence than me but that is just why I am here, TO LEARN! For, to quote a Chinese proverb, 'Learning is a treasure that will follow its owner everywhere' :) Side: teens ( 20-)
I agree that this an argument rather than a debating site (fightclub). However, and in view of the toothless reactionary ranting taking place, maybe there should be several categories: 1) the over sixties, retired and from Florida; 2) the somewhat very conservative mid-thirties; and 3) the more modern 0-30 model. I'm a bit kidding and just 16. Side: teens ( 20-)
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i dont have an issue with teenagers being here, but i have an issue with the fact that this website is advertised as a "debating" website, which is not true. This is an argument website. So the downside to allowing teenagers and school kids in here is that they might associate debating with the rants and opinion based garabage spouted by morons and bigots of every age and kind. Side: adults(20+)
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