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 who created god ? (18)

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who created god ?

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People, obviously. Whoever created the religion created their idea of god.

Side: Humanity
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That's exactly why Deuteronomy talks about stoning people.

Side: Humanity
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It would be very interesting of a loop if it turns out that "In the beginning, God created man, and eventually, man created God."

Side: Humanity
thedudeon(27) Disputed
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for eventuality to take place your giving it time. that means your still considering god existed before man. unless you time does not exist. and everything happens at the same time.

Side: Humanity

with all due respect to every person and religion:

Maybe 'God' is just a one word answer people came up with to answer difficult questions that made people think out of the box. In that case humans made god.

Side: Humanity
thedudeon(27) Disputed
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"Maybe 'God' is just a one word answer people came up with to answer difficult questions that made people think out of the box" i think u need to rephrase tht pal... the creation of the concept god just ends our thinking out of the box. look at those ppl who just dont fight back old adages and believe in them blindly. they simply cant think ..it ends their thinking then and there. it stops our thought processes .

Side: Humanity
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maybe he created himself.and surely who ever created this debate knew there is no answer to this right?

Side: Humanity
thedudeon(27) Disputed
2 points

yeah but if u ask who created it ? then i created it...you cant say the debate created itself

Side: Humanity
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No one created God. God has always existed, according to Christianity.

Side: Humanity
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No one did. I have some verse from the Bible that states that He already existed before He made the earth.

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In Him is life and life was the light of men. The light shines in darkness but the darkness has not understood it.

Colossions 1:15-18 He is the image of teh invisible God, the Firstborn over all creation.For by Him all things were created; things in Heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or power or rulers or authorites, all things were created by Him and for Him. He is before all things and in Him all things hold togethe. He is the head of the body, born from among the dead, so that everything He might have the supermacy.

Side: No one did
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No one did God already existed before the earth itself was created.

Side: No one did
thedudeon(27) Disputed
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we humans work on the logic that something created something else. so why cant we also think about the creation of god and the creation of the creators of god....in the same way as how we are breaking our sane heads to figure out the creation of the universe. how do you know god existed always ? and the universe always existed ? just because we havent found the answer does not mean that we assume or rather believe that god existed since time infinity.

Side: No one did
HuskiBoi(10) Disputed
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Obviously not. You can see that the very idea of God is imperfect, like human idea. If you analyze how people describe God to be, you can see that he doesn't exist. Here's a reason why:

Christians say that God is all-powerful, all-loving, and all-knowing, right? Then, if God created the universe, it is implied that God knew about all of the suffering that was going to come out of His creation, and yet, He still created it. He could have just made a better universe, one without suffering and sin, right? Seeing that He is all-powerful, He could have avoided that.

So it could be said that, maybe He did not know of all the suffering that was going to occur. You can bring this point back to the story of Adam and Eve. Christians say He is all-knowing, and yet, He didn't know that Eve was going to eat the fruit and tempt Adam into eating it too. He could have avoided the disaster by never creating sin, never creating humanity, or never creating such a fruit in the first place.

Basically, Christians state that God has all of the power in the universe, that He loves everyone, and that He knows everything; thus disproving His existence. If you know everything and love everyone, and you had the power to do anything, wouldn't you just end sin and suffering at once? Isn't it a sin in itself to let people suffer if you had the power to stop suffering? If so, it shows that God is imperfect; that even He sins, and actually sins every second. He knows children are starving in Africa, and He lets them starve. He knows people are dying from numerous diseases, and He lets those diseases thrive. He knows someone is going to commit murder, and He lets it happen. Sounds like a great God, doesn't it?

Side: No one did
Srom(12206) Disputed
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Question: "What does the Bible say about suffering?"

Answer: Of all the challenges thrown at Christianity in modern times, perhaps the most sinister is explaining the problem of suffering. How can a loving God allow suffering to continue to occur in the world which He created? For those who have endured massive suffering themselves, this is much more than a philosophical issue, but often becomes a very deep-seated personal and emotional issue. How does the Bible attempt to address this issue? Does the Bible give us any examples of suffering and some indicators on how to deal with it?

The Bible is startlingly realistic when it comes to the problem of endured suffering. For one thing, the Bible devotes an entire book to dealing with the problem. This book concerns a man named Job. It begins with a scene in heaven which provides the reader with the background to Job’s suffering. Job suffers because God contested with Satan. As far as we know, this was never known by Job, nor by any of his friends. It is therefore not surprising that they all struggle to explain Job’s suffering from the perspective of their ignorance, until Job finally rests in nothing but the faithfulness of God and the hope of His redemption. Neither Job nor his friends understood at the time the reasons for his suffering. In fact, when Job is finally confronted by the Lord, Job is silent. Job’s silent response does not in any way trivialise the intense pain and loss he had so patiently endured. Rather, it underscores the importance of trusting God’s purposes in the midst of suffering, even when we don’t know that those purposes are. Suffering, like all other human experiences, is directed by the sovereign wisdom of God. In the end, we learn the lesson that we may never know the specific reason for our suffering, but we must trust in our sovereign God. That is the real answer to suffering.

Another example of suffering in the Bible is Joseph in the book of Genesis. Joseph was sold into slavery by his own brothers, where he was ultimately indicted on false charges and thereby thrown into prison. As a result of Joseph’s suffering and endurance, by God’s grace and power, he is later promoted to governor of Egypt, second only to Pharaoh himself, where he finds himself in a position to make provision to the nations of the world during a time of famine, including his own family and the brothers who sold him into slavery! The message of this story is summarized in Joseph’s address to his brothers in Genesis 50:19-21: “Don’t be afraid. Am I in the place of God? You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives. So then, don’t be afraid. I will provide for you and your children.”

Romans 8:28 contains some comforting words for those enduring hardship and suffering: “We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.” In His providence, God orchestrates every event in our lives—even suffering, temptation and sin—to accomplish both our temporal and eternal benefit.

The psalmist David endured much suffering in his time, and this is reflected in many of his poems collected in the book of Psalms. In Psalm 22, we hear the sound of David’s anguish: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? Oh my God, I cry out by day but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent. Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people. All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: 'He trusts in the Lord; let the Lord rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.'”

It remains an unfathomable mystery to David why God does not intervene in the midst of his suffering and pain. He sees God as the one who is enthroned as the Holy One, the praise of Israel. After all, doesn’t God lead a pretty sheltered life? Isn’t God lucky to live in heaven where all is sweetness and light, where there is no weeping or fear, no hunger or hatred? What does God know of all that humans go through? David goes on to complain that “Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.”

Did God ever answer David? Sure enough, many centuries later, David received his answer. Roughly one millennium later, a descendent of David named Christ Jesus was killed on a hill called Calvary. On the cross, God endured the suffering and shame of his forefather. Christ’s hands and feet were pierced. Christ’s garments were divided among his enemies. Christ was stared at and gloated over and derided. In fact, Christ uttered the words with which David opens this Psalm, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” thus identifying himself with the suffering of his forefather.

Because Christ, the eternal Son of God in whom the fullness of God dwells, has lived on earth as a human being and has endured hunger, thirst, temptation, shame, persecution, nakedness, bereavement, betrayal, mockery, injustice and death, He is in a position to fulfil the longing of Job, “If only there were someone to arbitrate between us, to lay his hand upon us both, someone to remove God’s rod from me, so that his terror would frighten me no more. Then I would speak up without fear of him, but as it now stands with me, I cannot” (Job 9:33).

Christian theism is, in fact, the only worldview which can consistently make sense of the problem of evil and suffering. Apart from the fact that Christians serve a God who has lived on this earth and been through trauma, temptation, bereavement, torture, hunger, thirst, persecution and even execution, the cross of Christ can be regarded as the ultimate manifestation of God’s justice. When asked how much God cares about the problem of evil and suffering, the Christian God is the only God who can point to the cross, and say “that much.” Christ experienced rejection from God, saying, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?” He experienced just the same suffering as many people do in many parts of the world today who are feeling isolated from God’s favor and love.

The Christian worldview is thus the only worldview which even makes an attempt at addressing this paradox. How can God be just and still forgive wicked men such as ourselves? The answer lies in the cross of Christ and that alone.

Supporting Evidence: What does the Bible say about suffering? (www.gotquestions.org)
Side: No one did
Srom(12206) Disputed
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After God establishes his Kingdom on Earth there will be no more sin or suffering. God does love everyone that's a fact thanks for pointing that out. He loves everyone even if they did something so bad He still loves them. God has a time specifically that He is going to end pain and suffering when He establishes His Kingdom on earth and defeats Satan. He knows people are starving around the world but that's why there are churches who give offerings and the church gives food to the people in Africa that is how it works. He knows people are dying from diseases but He is not going to heal them right away its God's will or not to heal them or not its not our will but His will. He knows that people commits murder but its the person's choice to do it and not God's choice. He did know that Eve ate from the tree because they said to God that they were ashamed because they were naked. And God questioned them who told you that you were naked? So He knew already that they have sinned.

Side: No one did
thedudeon(27) Disputed
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i think the solution for this is understanding the human mind...more like theories like bio centrism

Side: No one did