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they shouldnt reasonable proof
Debate Score:170
Arguments:116
Total Votes:193
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why do people still believe in christianity?

depite the lack of evidence and the many flaws in it

they shouldnt

Side Score: 101
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reasonable proof

Side Score: 69
6 points

It's too bloody flawed for a logical mind.

I mean, who would want to explain existence by a child-killing, genocidal, evil-hell-maker that believes that people should suffer forever for doing things that don't even begin to amount to that (such as not believing.)

Sadly, Christianity is only logical to an illogical mind. :P

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vandebater(444) Disputed
1 point

hail satan .

Side: reasonable proof
2 points

Sieg heil! o.o

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I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY , HAIL SATAN AND DOWN WITH jesus christ god damn it , HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Side: reasonable proof
4 points

Because they're stupid.

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LizBiz15(12) Disputed
1 point

With an argument like that most are probably more intelligent than you. Including myself.

Side: reasonable proof
3 points

The same reason Christianity would have been created. Fear of the unknown. People may know a lot more than they did before, but there's still many things that are unknown to humans, and they need some way to explain it, so they turn to religion. Especially what happens after death, that I believe is the the biggest fear that people have. And religion explains it to them.

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Axmeister(4317) Disputed
1 point

You follow the assumption that Christianity is created.

Side: reasonable proof
Saurbaby(5579) Disputed
1 point

I think you mean that I follow the assumption that humans created Christianity, because either way it had to be created, no matter what you believe.

But yes, I do believe humans created all religions, Christianity is not excluded.

Side: they shouldnt
3 points

No evidence, second hand accounts, fairy tales, God displaying no affection for humankind, flaws in our society, ...

How COULD you believe in an all-powerful Sky Daddy, if he did exist he'd be a fucking bastard AND a lunatic, if religion didn't exist we'd have advanced a lot quicker and much further, and a lot of religious people are hateful, no further debate needed.

Side: they shouldnt
1 point

well thats not completely true, were humans so when we get messages from the divine we tend to put human restricitions on it, and if religion didnt exist for a while befor it was used for manipulation, we would have quickly devolved and slaughtered each other, which is not to say we dont today, and i agree it should be gone, but we would probably be far worse now if religion had never been created

Side: reasonable proof
1 point

Very true, I agree the immorality of man is horrible and is escalating. The reason it seems to be escalating is that evolution is becoming more and more popular. It allows everyone to do anything they want without the possibility of being punished for it (by a Creator). I also agree that we definately would have been slaughtered by now if there weren't a set of moral code that was designed for us to follow. If there is no God, then exactly your point, we would all run-a-muck. (Me included - if I even arrived here to begin with) There would be no set of moral code that was designed within us. It would be as the so called "un-religious (no such thing)" say it: "Survival of the fittest through natural selection."

Side: reasonable proof

People still believe in Christianity because most people tend to take up after their parents in terms of religious beliefs. A small percentage of people actually have a completely different religion or no religion at all, compared to their parents. Religion is also highly based on geography as well.

Side: they shouldnt
2 points

I can't believe I ever believed in that Christianity BULLSHIT. I really don't know, but I'm going to blame it on the fact that I was a kid raised in a Southern (USA) Non-Denominational Christian household with uber strict rules. I think maybe I was chastised into 'believing', and, honestly, I think even back then, it was 'faux' belief. I always hated giving 10% of my hard earned money to " God " ( the church ) when I worked for that money, not God!!!

Haha, I became an atheist about a year after I left home at 18 ---- 12 years later, I feel absolutely wonderful that I'll never have to donate my money to an imaginary charity again! (Except for the federal government, that is)

But, I still wonder, what the HELL was I EVER thinking? Oh right, I WASNT !!

Side: they shouldnt
1 point

i have searched online and in books for christians reasons for belief and have yet to find a reasonable answer. there is not a shred of evidence massive evidence to the contrary of what their beliefs are and yet still for some reason they continue believing. it baffles me

Side: they shouldnt
1 point

They have faith.

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mtty23(13) Disputed
1 point

yes but the question is why? they would'nt believe in anything else without proof. Why is God immune to that way of thinking?

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kjgallmeyer(22) Disputed
-1 points

Everyone Believes in something. There is no such thing as a religion free world. If we have it your way and get rid of everything else except evolution, then that would be the only religion in the world. Evolution is a religion! It takes faith as do all the rest. I admit mine takes faith, you all simply DON'T. I will say it again: Evolution is a faith/religion all it's own.

Side: reasonable proof
Cynical(1948) Disputed
4 points

1) The definition of faith is "a belief without evidence." (This is indisputable.)

2) Evolution has evidence to support its claims.

Conclusion: Evolution isn't a faith.

Side: they shouldnt
judas(295) Disputed
4 points

Evolution is a religion!

This is a ludicrous statement.

Are germs a religion? We can't see or hear or smell germs but people believe they are real. But people don't have faith in germs, they know that they are real because there is proof. When there is proof of a thing, no one has to have faith in it's realness. Faith becomes unnecessary.

With evolution faith has become utterly useless. Change in organisms over time can be seen with your own eyes though the fossil record available. The variety of animal species alone is evidence for evolution.

You can hold in your hands fossilized skulls found in ascending layers of the earth and carbon dated so that we know for a fact which order they go in. (such carbon dating destroys the notion that the earth is anywhere near the age the bible asserts) We can look at these fossils and see useful changes to the organism over time that has occurred though this survival of the fittest that we see all around us.

Anyone that observes nature can see survival of the fittest in action everywhere. Go outside and look at the plants in your backyard. There is an epic battle for survival going on. Only the prettiest flowers spread their pollen. Only the fittest seeds grow strong enough to fight though the weeds.

Flip on animal planet and watch a lion take down a gazelle or sharks hunting seals. Do you ever notice what happens to the injured gazelle or the seal that strays from the pack?

Evidence my friend, for most people it's an important thing. Do you have any evidence for what you believe?

Side: they shouldnt
mtty23(13) Disputed
1 point

Plain and simply, no it isn't. Evolution explains the change and development of life on earth. it says nothing about god/gods, meaning of life, morality, afterlife, faith, or anything else vaguely related to religion.

Side: they shouldnt

fear............................................................................................................................

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1 point

It is more to it just that there is a balance between that and loving Him.

Side: reasonable proof
1 point

People are taught to be christian as kids and are too scared to leave the religion as adults.

Side: they shouldnt
Axmeister(4317) Disputed
1 point

I think you'll find that's mainly in the areas where the majority of the people believe in religion. Over here in Britain, where many people are atheist, it's quite the opposite.

Side: reasonable proof
vandebater(444) Disputed
2 points

I guess my statement would be "less true" in places like britain and even where i live in canada but nonetheless this statement still stands for the majority of the christian world.

Side: they shouldnt
1 point

Brainwashing, ignorance, lack of education, fox news, bath salts.

Side: they shouldnt
1 point

We're trying to have a civilization here and there is a bunch of crazys blowing everyone up for allah and speaking in tongues and trying to teach our kids to hate each other. That's the problem.

Religion teaches violence and hate. The god of the Bible is a sexist, racist, violent, jealous, tyrant. Religion teaches hate for homosexuals, for the heathens that enjoy life's pleasures, for the infidel, pretty much anyone that is not like them. Mormons teach their kids that black people can go to heaven, but only as servants for white people. Some Muslims teach their kids that killing infidels is their ticket to heaven. Catholics are raping little kids right now and being shuffled around and protected by the church so they can keep on raping little kids.

So we're all trying to have a civilization here and live together, and you religious folks are lying to people, blowing people up and raping little kids. That's the problem.

Side: they shouldnt
1 point

They think it's nice to think they go somewhere awesome when they die. Simply wishful thinking

Side: they shouldnt

I ONLY LOVE MY THINGS AND WORSHIP THEM AS MY GOD , LOVE MONEY AND POWER SITTING IN MY JUDGES CHAIR LOVING IT SO MUCH I HAVE A MACHINE MASTURBATING AWAY ON ME PULLING OUT VICIOUS WICKED EVIL POWER LOVING LOADS OF SATAN LOVING JUDICIAL JUICES . I WOULD BE A FOOL TO WANT TO EVER GO TO A church AGAIN TO worship SOME PHONEY WASHED UP MAKE BELIEVE god IN A GOOD FOR NOTHING holy book THAT I WOULD DESTROY UNDER THE WHEELS OF MY CHAIR . I ONLY WANT TO LOVE THE GOD OF MONEY AND POWER , GIVE ME MORE .

Side: they shouldnt
3 points

Many people have personal experiences that lead them to faith. Others see it as the most reasonable explanation to existence/the natural world.

Ultimately, its faith though. Faith that Jesus Christ was the Messiah who died for the sins of everyone, and acceptance of this.

Side: reasonable proof
Apollo(1608) Disputed
3 points

Ultimately, its faith though. Faith that Jesus Christ was the Messiah who died for the sins of everyone, and acceptance of this.

Faith isn't a reason.

Faith is the complete lack of a reason.

Side: they shouldnt
Troy8(2431) Disputed
2 points

I didn't say it was a reason.

Side: reasonable proof
3 points

I don't know which side to be on, so I'm picking a random one.

I don't think there is any reasonable proof of christianity neither do I think no one should believe it, because it is my personal belief too.

It can't be .. explained really why a person believes something. I believe in God because he has given me proof of, that he exists.

Although those 'evidence' are enough for me to keep believing, it probably isn't for a lot of people.

Side: reasonable proof
hambone15(24) Disputed
0 points

Can you please enlighten and tell us what "proof" you have that God exists (By the way do you mean THE God, or one of the other thousand Gods that "exist" around the world")

Side: they shouldnt
_deleted0_(850) Disputed
2 points

Are you asking for logical evidence, or do you want to know what make me believe?

If it's the first one, I don't have any logical proof of my belief.

Is it the second one? What makes me believe is, that I see God everywhere. I think it is .. really ridiculous (not to offend anybody in any way) but I think it is kinda weird to think all this came from nothing.

Side: reasonable proof
Biomarine Disputed
1 point

Can you enlighten and tell us what "proof" you have that god DOES NOT EXIST?

Side: reasonable proof
3 points

Since we are human, we will not agree because it is in our nature. I believe all people should have a right to believe what they will, religion should not be inflicted. A real God, is strong enough to not need people to brainwash people, and Jesus has proven worthy. I don't go around telling people they have to accept Jesus, people see and feel something stir within them, and they search. There is a God, I've done my research into evolution, and world religions, as so have a lot of people before me, and found Jesus as the truth, like he said. This is more then religion, it's relationship. This is the only God (literally, only one) who doesn't ask us to work to get to him, but gave everything to come to us.

People should be allowed to believe what they deem right. I find it funny that an atheist thinks their purpose in life is to tell others they have no purpose and are merely accidental. When I can see people searching for something, something to live for, searching for love and hope, during the late nights when they're on their own.

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1 point

Couldn't have put it better myself. People believe because God's wonderful. Everyone has a right to their opinion.

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2 points

Because it is true. You are right to wonder why Christianity is still here from an evolutionary perspective... But the fact that is still here is proof in of itself that Christianity is true.

Matthew 16:18

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Side: reasonable proof
2 points

Thats not a fact... its here because religion is a good form of control, the message of christianity itself may be true, but that true message has been long forgotten

Side: they shouldnt
1 point

It's not like Christianity is this monolithic, unified system of belief. When people claim that they believe in Christianity, they are talking about their understanding of what Christianity means to them. My strong suspicion, is that disadvantaged people, find others who actually care about them in groups that identify as Christian, so that goes a long way. People like to feel like they are part of a loving, caring group of people who aren't stuck up. A lot of the "Christian" ideology that I've been exposed to shows concern for the poor, and those regarded as low type people. (And this is the majority) I'm not saying that non-christian groups don't spend any time doing community outreach, or working to instill hope in people who are poor, or societal outcasts etc.. But if my opinion of Christianity is valid, helping those who aren't doing well is a definitively (though not exclusively) Christian value.

Side: reasonable proof

I agree with your general view, but would it be right to call those people Christians? Anyone can join a social group and, not lie, but exaggerate their position to fit in.

I don't know if you did the same as a child, but let's say you were part of a large group of friends that loved, say, Star Trek. Chances are that you'd identify yourself as a Trekkie, whilst not really following the core aspects of the trend (admittedly, I can't think of what moral values Trekkies preach right now ;)

Perhaps this is a topic for another debate, but I suppose what I'm asking is as to what level you must believe in system X in order to classify yourself as an X-ist.

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1 point

Beacause we chose to what's it to you anyway why can't you just leave us the hell alone go pick on another religion for a change you arrogant conseded pricks

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1 point

why do people still beleive in christianity?

- do you even check spelling etc before you post a new debate?

depite the lack of evidence and the many flaws in it

- again do you even check spelling?

What flaws? Give some examples. Which version of the bible are you using? I think if you were to use the KJV everything would answer itself, and wouldn't show any "flaws." I'm not rejecting the other versions of the bible. I do think that people can get saved by them, although in the argument of flaws or contradictions. Yes, you might find some in the other versions, but I don't think you will in the KJV.

Side: reasonable proof
3 points

I think the fact that different versions of the Bible exist kind of speaks for itself. If the Bible wasn't flawed, why was it so heavily edited and altered? Why were whole gospels left out of changed at the whim of medieval monarchy and clergy? Evidently, it had some flaws that needed to be smoothed over, some distasteful parts that had to be left out, and some divinity to be fabricated.

Side: they shouldnt
kjgallmeyer(22) Disputed
1 point

One big reason there are so many versions is the fact that Christians keep trying to fit Evolution into the scheme of things where it simply is not scriptural. Stop trying to put it in when it goes against everything the bible asserts.

Do you have any examples of fabricated divinity?

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1 point

The minimum length for an argument is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.

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1 point

I find it hard to understand how people can believe there is no god. What proof do you have that there is no god?

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1 point

They don't have proof, they have choice something that God gave them....

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1 point

Well I have to say that the person or people that wrote the bible are real good in predicting the future. Those of you that have read the Bible know that most things in it has came to past. Including this discussion, so if you believe or not it’s your choice and your life.

Side: reasonable proof

It's not that there is proof. There really isn't much evidence at all. That's the point.

It's that Christianity, and religion in general, gives value and meaning to your existence. Therefore, people who seek such value sometimes settle for religion.

And a valueless life leads to self-destructive hedonism.

The problem in the end, therefore, is that organized religion and cultural hedonism are both extremely bad for society, and at the same time, disparate of one another. The problem isn't religion, the problem is religion and hedonism growing in disparity and cultural hostility to one another. One day, we will have to either do away with both of them once and for all, or else they will clash head on and our society will collapse around the world, like the Roman Empire.

Except worse.

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0 points

scientists have found proof that jesus rose from the dead

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Cynical(1948) Disputed
2 points

Verified, peer-reviewed sources, please.

Side: they shouldnt
mtty23(13) Disputed
1 point

evidence or that is a non-sensical, unjustifiable claim.what scientists? and how did they prove this?

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Banana_Slug(845) Disputed
1 point

can I have the source? :D :D .

Side: they shouldnt
0 points

Because it is natural for mankind to believe in a god or gods. Need proof? Ancient humans to modern day humans have been doing it since the beginning of man.

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Cynical(1948) Disputed
1 point

Wrong. It's natural for humans to question our origins and our existence, not to believe in all-powerful god(gods/goddesses).

Oh, and just because humankind have worshiped deities for quite some time doesn't make it true; they're just primitive beliefs.

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Lynaldea(1231) Clarified
1 point

Primitive? As compared to what? Modern day science? That's laughable, we're just as primitive as we were back then. The only difference is we think we know it all. Science knows jack and shit, and jack left town, you do the math.

Christians still believe in their god because they choose to. The proof is there, the proof is the human mind, the proof is the human being. We're the proof.

Side: they shouldnt