You can literally look up cases of voter fraud in 2016, they have all the evidence out there too. Not to mention that barack obama publically announced that an UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT can vote for Hillary, anf not be punished. That in itself could have put him in prison. The fact that he is telling non Americans to vote is a travesty, even worse than flat out making them citizens. Also, the electoral college is a key element to our formation. We arent a democracy, were a REPRESENTATIVE democracy, meaning that we dont have one body determining our officials and decisions. The decisions are partly in the hands of the government, and partly in those of the citizens. The system only has "messed up" like 4 times. And the presidents out of those elections werent all even that bad. The electoral college never will outgrow its purpose.

Yea, not in the same way. In the colonies, the British allowed them to run themselves however they wanted, granted that Britain still reaped from their benefits and trade, etc. The colonies, upon stating even a little amount of aggression toward British control, were met with strict gun control, giving the government total control over the people. Assuming your last comment was sarcastic, (maybe it wasn't), look back at history. All civilizations where the government took the weapons from the people ended up putting the people in oppression, and the dictators and rulers had nobody to stand up and check their authority. In the U.S., the founding fathers intended for the people to have weapons and be well armed so as to remove the possible future threat of an oppressive government.

Im saying that the republicans would not have done that even if they had won the popular vote. You posed that statement as if you were implying the republicans would have rioted and etc had Romney won the popular vote in 2012

Umm, wow, youre so wrong i dont know where to start.

The U.S. was founded and it was put in place that the people could haev guns and the govt couldnt do anything to stop them. This is to prevent what happened in Britain, where teh governemtn took control. The prpose of our government is to help, not rule, the people. Also, gun control has never worked before, and only increases muder rates. Guns should be encouraged even.

NOOO she didnt, she won by just over 135k, which is nothing. In fact, there are a huge number of confirmed cases of voter fraud on the democrat side, which if that werent counted, Trump would have absolutely had the popular vote underhis belt.

The electoral college never has and NEVER will outgrow its purpose. In fact, its brilliant and is perfect for situations like this. The college represents the people without allowing for mob rule. Mob rule is the reason why we need the college. You sure as hell wouldnt want mob rule either. Its not organized, and not fair.

Stop whining when you dont really know what youre talking about

The republicans and conservatives dont. Theres no reason why, and they havent ever. Back a few years ago, bush won for the same reason. People complained about Obama winning solely because he sucked, not because of the college.

But that's where youre wrong lol.

you see, a human fetus is not part of your body, it is only depending on your body. You deciding to terminate a pregnancy is denying the fetus's NATURAL right to life, forget the civil part of it. and if the fetus is not a person, than when does it become one?

So heres the thing,

abortion is terminating a living and developing fetus. We have the technology now to know if the baby is alive or not. If the fetus is indeed dead, then it is not wrong for it to be removed if necessary. All of your examples besides the last were in cases where the fetus was dead, or miscarried. In that situation, its (dignified) removal is not an abortion. If the fetus is still developing though, it is wrong to terminate it because it is not in danger. If your example you gave last about complications, for example health risks which are common, is the cause of complications, then there are other ways to deal with it that aren't actually the same as abortion. So if a baby is brain dead, but not necessarily dead, it can be stillborn, or born and then it dies afterward. But if the baby for example is going to pose a serious health risk to the mother, then instead of targeting the fetus, you can try to fix the situation with the unintended side effect of the fetus's death. An example would be the egg being fertilized in the fallopian tube. That would be incredibly dangerous for the mother, yet it is still wrong to flat out kill the fetus. Doctors can try and removing that part of the fallopian tube with the likely but unintentional side effect of the fetus dying in a necessary attempt to save the mother.

Abortion is an intentional murder of a complete human person inside of the womb. Murder is never justifiable, therefore, abortion is never justifiable.

The 2 ways a pro choice person can respond to this statement are:

1.) No, it is not murder because the fetus is not wholly human.

2.) Yes, that's what abortion is. (Ive met people like this)

If you said that a fetus is not wholly human, then tell me, at what point does a fetus become a human person? What makes somebody a human person?

Id love to see someone try and defend abortion after considering my argument. I want to see what you have to say.