You can’t prove that anything DOESN’T exist. It’s simple logic.

Lets recap your thinking:

1) it is a luxury to be vegan

2) a luxury cannot be morally superior

3) I have the ability to be vegan

4) I don’t fancy it

If you agree with the assumption that minimising pain and suffering (where possible) is an ethical thing to do, then surely it follows, given that you have the ability to be vegan, that you should be vegan. Unless you disagree with that assumption?

Oh, and do look up vegan/vegetarian tribes. It’s not all out of necessity.

My favourite part of this is that I actually misread it and thought you said, ‘why are we complaining about humans eating humans. Humans are animals, and it’s natural to eat meat.’ This actually makes the same point you made.

Other animals eat animals in order to survive and because it is in their nature. They do not have the ability to think logically and to be ethical. We do, so just like we believe it is ethically wrong to eat other humans and generally avoid doing so, I think we should do the same for other animals, given that we have that ability.

If we make ourselves as a society responsible for the lives and deaths of others, we risk “acting God”. No society should have this power because it could be misused. In the UK, we have not had capital punishment for around 56 years and our rate of criminal activity is lower than in the US. It does not work and it is damaging to societies and to our views of the value of life.

While I agree that the concept of marriage is problematic and outdated, allowing marriage equality is a big step towards equal rights for all. Unless we are going to ditch marriage universally, we should of course allow gay people the right to marry.

Please clarify what you believe on this thread makes me appear stupid? I can assure you that interpretation couldn’t be further from the truth. All the evidence indicates I am relatively intelligent. I have a first in philosophy and a good career. My arguments thus far have not been disproved. If there are some typos in what I’ve written, that does not make me stupid. If you think it does, you might have the wrong definition for stupid.

What are you trying to say? I don’t see how this is relevant.

Probably the worst argument I’ve heard so far. Almost as bad as, BUT BACON!!!!

Many tribes eat mostly vegan as plants are easier to come by, so it is not a privilege thing. Also, I would expect that someone who has the free time and internet to debate on here probably has the capacity to become vegan. So where it is possible, we should become vegan. Would you agree with that?

Why do you value employment over the pain and suffering of animals? If we all went vegan, a lot more work would be created in cultivating plants and producing vegan alternatives.