I probably should have put this in the description , my bad , but I meant should torture be used as last resort if normal nonviolent interrogation failed .

Wow , you arguments are making it seem as though it is okay for the extremists to express their beliefs that genocide is fine . how does this time into your first question ?

Because ISIS isn't going to tell the internet where and when a bombing will take place .

That wasn't ISIS .......

Still an extremist attack on American .

Have they come up with a way to kill every person in America ?

There actually is a pretty simple way to using weather patterns and a well placed nuke .

You might as well say 9/11 happened for no reason .

It did , Bin Laden was a psychopath with a small army of terrorist at his command who American .

Clearly , they wish for us to back off

Why should we back down from a legitimate threat to our country ?

What does this have to do with torture ?

So stuff like 9/11,doesn't happen again .

Why bring my personal matter into this debate ?

It's called an emotional appeal , only debating 101 . Do you not think that torture should be used to protect both the Americans and Israel ?

You said it was the same . It isn't

Genocide is still genocide .

No , they wish to spread , and force , Islam across the middle east .

And they will commit genocide to do it .

They don't want to , they'll do so if they have to .

Regardless , they are committing genocide .

It seems like you are the one who lacks rational thinking

Admittedly racist probably wasn't the correct word but racist and rational have alliteration so I couldn't help myself . It's prejudice . So their beliefs are prejudice , and will kill over it , so seeing them as terrorists is rational . Since someone is of a different faith , the see them as terrorists , which is prejudice . So my beliefs are still greater seeing as they are based on reason and logic .

What verse supports this ?

To be honest I remember reading it in the old testament but I don't remember the verse , and doing internet bible searches proved fruitless so you got me their .

This an assumption

I probably should have been more specific but I meant the terrorist you captured was the right hand man to leader of the kidnapping operation so it is extremely unlikely he has faulty information .

No , because I'm being a terrorist to a terrorist .

No , your being patriot to your country by trying to save innocents .

I could put my soldiers life's at risk

Irrelevant , the military would send in spy planes to scout out the area to make sure their are extremists there . Even if the hostages prove to not be there who have either captured or killed several terrorists .

Probably not , but he would most likely want to , and that's not good in my book .

What are you talking about , a beating would not make him want to commit suicide .

Read this article

I did , I didn't mean that torture should be used first . I meant as a last resort . You would obviously use interrogation first . In the scenario , again I should have been more specific , non-violent question had failed .

Neither , other options are available

I meant mercy being one of those other options . Again my bad on being ambiguous .

So after all of that lets just agree to disagree and stop this petty argument because it is getting us nowhere . The only reason I posted the above arguments was to show that I didn't want to stop only because I couldn't think of a valid argument . Honestly these arguments are getting way to long . So , you are fine debater and this was fun but it has to end . Good day .

We are connected to the internet . You can see nearly anything you wish . The government cannot hide everything .

Yes because if someone posts " Everyone in America is going to die " people will definitely take it seriously ( sarcasm ) .

I'm pretty sure these matters weren't directed at us to begin with .

Yes , extremists just believe all Americans to killed . And then crashed a plane into the twin towers . That definitely wasn't directed at us ( sarcasm ) .

If you want to torture ever suspicious man in order to protect 3,000 lives then you have problems .

True , but we aren't talking about suspicious people we are talking about people directly related to the extremists , and it's not to protect 3,000 people it's the entire American population and the Israeli population . And the Israelites are the chosen people God according to the religion you proclaim so much on this website .

That's completely different than our situation here

Considering extremists want to commit genocide does that really matter ?

We aren't in global war . This is a group of extremists .

Who want to practically eliminate the entire planet .

Even then what's makes your beliefs greater than theirs ? In their eyes aren't you a terrorist ?

The do think I'm a terrorist . But they think that because I'm of a different nationality , which is racist . I see them as terrorists because they want to commit genocide , which is rational . Their beliefs are RACIST and mine are RATIONAL . Which is why my beliefs are greater than theirs . Also , did you know the God ordered a biblical leader to exterminate all Muslims so extremists groups would arise like ISIS . He refused to kill them all and that's the only reason we are having this debate now .

Maybe because the same thing isn't occurring

Let's see , a group of extremists who want to commit genocide . Besides other countries being involved their is practically no difference .

Consider the following :

Consider 5 more American journalists have been captured . In front of you is sitting a terrorist closely linked to the terrorist that captured them . He clearly knows vital information . You are given a baton . If it would save the lives of those 5 Americans would you not beat him to get information ? Even if the information is false , you have better chance of saving the Americans than if you just sit there and do nothing . If you beat him , the terrorist will not die . If you refuse to beat him , the 5 journalists' chances of survival drop significantly . So which would you choose ? Torture the terrorist or show the terrorist mercy ?

Yes , in a facist government system . Or a system like it .

Okay , to be honest I think drug abuse should be a medical issue , I just said it should treated as a criminal one to play devil's advocate because I figured everyone else would say it's a medical one .

By torture I mean like waterboarding , minimum amounts of food and water , beatings , electrocution , putting hot metal on their arms or even their face . Something along those lines .

Yeah it kinda does . It has brought up the issue of torturing terrorists and I thought it would interesting to discuss .

our collective rights are not at risk

How could you know that , if they were I doubt the government would tell everyone , " all your life's are at risk ."

To defend against what has already happened?

If you don't think that something like 9/11 could happen again and that it is unnecessary to defend our selfs from potential genocide at the hands of extremists you might need pay attention to current events .

Have they attacked America ? Then does this still warrant torture ?

During WW2 Germany never attacked America , Japan did . But when we found out Germany's motives of purging the world , like ISIS , we tortured them for information and we would have tortured Hitler had he not committed suicide . Why people feel that is okay when the same thing is happening today is beyond me .

While I agree , could you at least give some sort of reason , even if it's stupid at least say why you think this way .

So you want minors who have just been introduced to hormones , which tends to confuse teenagers and make them emotionally unstable , to engage in a mature and extremely emotion activity ( sex ) .